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我是提案委員之一所以我得跟大家說明一下當初這個提案的目的其實本身是為了保護為了保護我們國內的這個產業啦因為其實就像剛剛啟輝委員提到了洗產地的部分主要是因為我們發現市面上不管是你是這個美國品牌日本品牌或各國的品牌它是掛著西方世界的品牌但它的"},{"start":2808.942,"end":2830.129,"text":"這個產地是Made in China但是因為剛好這個中國他們有對於這種啤酒產業他們有所謂的補助所以我們台灣的請你去7-11去全家各地你去看到非常多美國品牌的啤酒但是你自己喝的是Made in China的這個啤酒所以那時候我們才提那時候業者才有來反應說是不是應該我們在關稅上面讓他們在台灣製造的品牌能夠有"},{"start":2831.089,"end":2845.339,"text":"比較足夠的武器去對抗這種反傾這種傾銷的問題所以才去提原料去降因為其實剛剛提到其實我們這些原料來的來源主要都是來自於歐洲國家或其他的西方國家所以不是不是從中國來他們可能自己內需都"},{"start":2847.04,"end":2861.896,"text":"都不夠了 不會出口給我們所以我覺得我們主要是希望能夠降低這個進口的關稅部分讓我們國內的這些品牌業者他們有比較足夠的武器去對抗因為包含像是幾個西方平台他們在台灣也有設廠那我們也希望說這個降稅降完之後"},{"start":2862.617,"end":2877.672,"text":"其他的品牌西方品牌他們也有意願能夠來台灣設廠我覺得這對整體的台製啤酒的市場甚至是台灣啤酒本身都有這邊的幫助所以我們才提這個修法我想把這個提案的原委跟我們幾位委員來報告以上 謝謝"},{"start":2878.453,"end":2905.902,"text":"好 謝謝我想基本上各位委員大家都沒有問題了好 沒有意見好 就這個海關進口稅則我們就以下宣告我們1107 11000為烘製麥芽部分趙委員 黃建豪等22人委員許富奎等16人委員林思敏等16人委員王洪輝等22人委員羅廷偉等22人委員李燕秀等19人提案通過"},{"start":2909.663,"end":2923.727,"text":"1107.2.000烘制麥芽部分 照委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人 委員林思明等16人委員王宏威等22人 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車籍在哪裡減稅就在哪裡應該這個是你們要的嘛對吧車籍在哪裡啊"},{"start":4640.891,"end":4666.445,"text":"是要有也就是說核食者就是他要提供給這個身心障礙者使用那否則只是因為我的爸媽是身心障礙者那我有一部車那我不管在東南西北都可以變為尾睡那這個當時就是為什麼就是說他要照顧他那如何來認定他有照顧他就是在別的社會的一個認知上這個你如果證明他有照顧就很難了"},{"start":4667.731,"end":4680.433,"text":"这个很难认定他这个是要给那个身心障碍者减税的方便不是给他开车照顾他的人的方便这不一样"},{"start":4685.339,"end":4695.671,"text":"我們應該是給那個照顧人的減稅吧照顧者的減稅不是要照顧身心障礙者啦照顧者啊我補充一個觀念啦從我年輕到現在身心障礙者的認定已經放寬非常多了是"},{"start":4703.32,"end":4722.678,"text":"方寬非常多現在連開比較嚴大的刀之後都可以去申請都可以去請你身心障礙者的證明所以因為它那個基礎已經擴大很多我們這個東西我覺得我個人比較著重於不要造成公務人員認定的困難因為那個"},{"start":4725.289,"end":4751.663,"text":"媒體如果要跟你挑毛病很容易批評我們以前這場遇到就是我們在辦動力救濟結果要領物資的開著比較好的車來媒體就罵得要死其實他也可能是那輛車是借的或是那輛車是怎麼樣子很中古的反正一般人搞不了那麼清楚公務人員很擔心說我這個認定放得太寬變成我認定困難的時候"},{"start":4752.623,"end":4767.458,"text":"我工作上的困擾這不是我們這邊我們這邊不會有困擾是地方政府的稅捐基增處裡面要核實納稅的人他恐怕的那些公務員人員在核實上面的困擾是在擔心這個東西的"},{"start":4776.54,"end":4799.162,"text":"我想这个其实就是会把它放宽就是基于说现在少子化比如说只有一个儿子的话那父母亲年迈那如果这个儿子跟父母亲不同一户籍但是实际上父母亲就是整个照顾身心障碍的照顾他是父主要义务而且都是他在接受"},{"start":4800.223,"end":4822.731,"text":"結果這個因為就是不同意戶籍而限制說讓他這台實際照顧父母的車不能去做這個免稅我想可能對於我們這條的立法用意立法的良益就失去他的一個好不好就說我改多增一個彈性好不好就增加一個彈性那個我們大家都沒意見OK"},{"start":4829.355,"end":4837.399,"text":"現在同一張 現在同一張 現在同一張先同一張好 沒錯 OK"},{"start":4861.019,"end":4861.299,"text":"好 請那個"},{"start":4880.874,"end":4901.868,"text":"那第7第7條第8第7條我們就這個協商完畢了好待會再宣讀現在就38條的部分先請部長這邊有那個有一個38條那個對那個廖偉祥委員的提案"},{"start":4904.047,"end":4919.921,"text":"38條它是用修正公佈日次年如果以我們這條文三讀跟總統公佈一定到明年了如果到它次年那又晚一年了所以我們是建議38條就不要修了就維持現行條文就維持現行規定那38條我們維持現行條文OK好那我們協商完成"},{"start":4934.202,"end":4945.447,"text":"先請 大家都可以先請"},{"start":4974.227,"end":4978.114,"text":"報告委員會我們協商完成請議事人員宣讀協商結論"},{"start":4980.785,"end":5005.403,"text":"宣讀海關進口稅則部分稅則 協商結論110710000未烘製麥芽11072000烘製麥芽 均照委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人 委員林思明等16人委員王宏維等22人 委員吳洛廷偉等22人委員李燕秀等19人 提案通過"},{"start":5007.543,"end":5025.791,"text":"一二一零一零零零或不花蛇麻求果未經研磨或製粉或成團粒狀者及一二一零二零零零零或不花蛇麻求果以研磨或"},{"start":5027.027,"end":5054.227,"text":"製粉或成團力撞者 啤酒花巾 軍照委員徐富奎等17人 委員黃建豪等22人委員陳金輝等16人 委員林思明等16人委員黃宏偉等22人 委員羅廷偉等22人委員李燕秀等19人 提案通過使用牌照稅法第五條不予修正 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