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感謝您那這個就是因為這一次這個夜報裡面其實有提到就是要連結這個海外橋台商跟台灣產業的這個共同發展那裡面其實尤其是第一點就是說這一個加強這個台灣的優勢跟布局韌性的供應鏈因為現在有兩條軸線第一個軸線就是美國在主導的這一個所謂的非紅供應鏈"},{"start":4670.801,"end":4685.917,"text":"但另外一個就是我們台灣自己剛好也面對就是跟美國這個關稅現在也大概可能快要定案了那很多的這個在海外的這些商人我們的台商多少一定會有一些策略佈局的一些影響那不知道僑委會現在在這個連結這個台商跟我們的產業在這兩條軸線上面有什麼精進的一些作為"},{"start":4692.46,"end":4717.698,"text":"剛剛我們的報告當中當然是近年來因為這個國際局勢的劇烈變化所以產業的穩定安全性以及這種韌性的需求就隨著越來越受到重視那我們一方面也看到我們國內產業基於在拓展的過程當中要向海外去投資所以我們是利用在這一年多的時間裡面"},{"start":4719.219,"end":4722.4,"text":"鼓勵我們在海外的這些世界台商會的系統他們可以加強來辦理無論是他們的所在國或者是在台灣會先辦理一些這個這個講座座談那我們也會派國內的一些產學研的代表去擔任他們的講師然後跟他們形成座談這樣的模式那我自己親自去參加這些他們一年一度的理監事大會的時候"},{"start":4748.806,"end":4759.099,"text":"也都會安排類似的這種課程或是講座然後大家做一些交流跟這個對話那這樣的話我們可以掌握每一個地區或國家他們這個關稅發展趨勢或當地國的經濟模式那以便"},{"start":4766.088,"end":4769.23,"text":"輔導我們的廠商盡量的往一些更有韌性的方向去移動那也讓他們知道說其他國他們會採取什麼樣的對應措施甚至也積極的建議他們如何對當地國的政府去進行一些遊說的工作"},{"start":4784.878,"end":4812.888,"text":"那尤其我舉個例子來說我們在東南亞的這些台商來說他們有些比較早進軍第一波南向的時候已經都突破30年了那第二波雖然是在新南向政策不到10年的時間但是最近我們已經接受到非常多新的這個台商的反應就是表示說他們認為我們在第二波新南向的一個方向是很對他有利的他們現在大部分"},{"start":4813.989,"end":4817.051,"text":"企業規模越來越好的都會把接單研發跟設計把他總公司設在台灣那在他們所在的這個國家呢就當作是市場的這個規模有相當的基礎的他就把他設廠在當地而且就會分散投資的模式所以"},{"start":4834.745,"end":4853.822,"text":"即便是在東南亞國家有的會同時投資三國越南 馬來西亞 印尼那透過這種分散的投資模式他不會把所有的雞蛋都放在同一個籃子的模式其實是增加了他們的一些這個韌性那因為各國也有不同的這個關稅的這個結構那所以在這樣的狀況之下"},{"start":4858.006,"end":4860.707,"text":"不可諱言的現在東南亞有些傳統產業製造業他們也感受到一些新的壓力了因為有些國家是想要升級的所以他們的一些環保標準或者他們的法律規範都逐年在提升當中"},{"start":4875.157,"end":4881.904,"text":"尤其像以越南來說越南一直很想發展這個科技產業所以他已經大幅度的在往科技產業這個路徑在移動的時候他對傳統產業的要求就開始逐年在提升所以類似這樣的狀況我們當然有不少在海外的這種台商他也會感受到這種傳統產業"},{"start":4898.341,"end":4913.309,"text":"的壓力所以我們在輔導他的過程當中也有不斷提醒說要適度的用淨零碳排用自動化生產來進行升級那也看到不少例子已經確實往這個方向走而且有相當的成績那所以這個過程當中我們一方面是讓國內的產官學員來協輔我們海外的台商另外一方面呢"},{"start":4924.594,"end":4926.977,"text":"海外的台商呢他們也加強跟我們從國內出去海外投資的這些台灣的跨國廠商也開始產生多一點的對接然後彼此形成那個供應鏈的模式"},{"start":4939.651,"end":4945.633,"text":"那這個也是我們目前比較積極在努力的目標就是讓國內的企業對海外的投資的時候無論他去北美洲的美國或者是到東南亞的其他國家都能夠有一個比較好的基礎讓他的產業鏈比較安全那這個部分呢確實是這一年多來我們很加強在努力的目標"},{"start":4962.859,"end":4989.141,"text":"對 因為我覺得這很重要就是因為在幾年前我有在這個立陶宛那時候遇到你那時候我還沒有在立議院其實在那一個時候我們對立陶宛的投資就已經有這個雛形的存在那這個是對外就是說因為我們剛剛講到那時候在跟很多的這個台灣的這些商人在講說這個因為國際現在軍購案也特別多但台灣有時候我們自己的市場不夠大所以它如果只為了我們台灣自己的市場要去開模要幹嘛它不一定願意"},{"start":4989.801,"end":5014.207,"text":"大家如果跟海外的來做合作因為海外也有在這個市場它等於公司在這一邊然後在其他又跟比如說在跟捷克或是跟其他的國家的這一些廠商合作它也去吃海外的市場這個時候巧合會其實扮演非常重要的功能所以這個我是覺得說剛剛藉由這個機會因為葉報只能講一些比較抽象的東西但是剛剛幾個具體的例子我是覺得有必要讓國人知道但我現在想倒過來問就是說因為我們剛剛講的是我們對外"},{"start":5018.228,"end":5026.537,"text":"我們對內就是說我們有這一個我想問一下我們這一個這個防衛任性的我們之前問過了我想問這一個我們的產學攜手合作這個僑生專班就是說我們僑生專班現在一年收個這一個我們說我們一年可能有5000 6000人應該都有但因為"},{"start":5037.048,"end":5051.401,"text":"我看到這一個我們最右下角這一塊這個1130年度我們要增加招收服務類科的僑生因應需求但我們現在服務類科的只有600個名額因為我們畢竟台灣服務業也是"},{"start":5052.142,"end":5068.802,"text":"也是滿壯大的所以這一點是不是我可以跟國人說明就是說我們這一點是我們是因為跟其他的產業來做平衡我們有一個相關的一個這樣的一個政策還是說我們以後會針對服務業會稍微擴張還是我們會停留在這裡這個政策是不是我跟國人說明一下"},{"start":5068.902,"end":5088.848,"text":"是跟委員報告一下因為我們在111年 112年的時候在政策方向上一度有說停止招收服務那一科那後來經過我們積極在反映業界需求以後呢113年重新恢復所以這個600人是那一年恢復的時候的額度那事實上今年我們已經擴增到1750人了"},{"start":5091.109,"end":5096.711,"text":"那這樣合理多了合理多了已經比例達到21%對然後明年會持續到1900多人接近2000人所以這個人數我們還是有在放寬當中那就是說因應我們是滾動式的檢討因應著國內的各種人才的需求來做一些類科的分類招生那所以服務類科目前是從21%會到23%這樣子的一個比例來進行這個招募"},{"start":5120.377,"end":5143.242,"text":"OK那最後因為時間只剩一點點我還是想問一下因為我們這個總預算一直沒有審所以就是行星計畫還有像這一個延續性計畫會受到影響那我稍微看了一下就是跟喬爾會有關的雖然現在預算就沒辦法審但我們還是很認真在看這個預算就是說看來這個延續性的計畫其中這個回國升學這個部分影響的數額我看滿大的看起來有3億多"},{"start":5147.143,"end":5159.585,"text":"確實我們如果是延續性的這種預算還是可以在前半段先執行但是下學期比方說我們僑生馬上3月份開始他們的這個學費呢我們要全額去補助的時候我們確實因為這個預算還沒有全額通過"},{"start":5170.808,"end":5185.377,"text":"那所以我們今年跟去年有一個差別應該說今年114跟明年115有個差別是過往我們的學費當中呢三分之二是我們編列預算三分之一是由"},{"start":5186.67,"end":5212.326,"text":"教育部來編列預算一起支應那我們當時已經答應說我們從明年開始我們就要全部支應那所以這個預算都會增加不少那所以我們如果下學期開始我們要全額支應的時候我們是可以先把下半年的錢偷來上半年用暫時支應沒錯但是終究我們因為學生人數的增加我們一定會遇到很大困難"},{"start":5212.746,"end":5231.007,"text":"這個下半年就會受到影響因為它也包含健保包含學習付出金這個都包含在裡面我們一定都會受到影響因為我們因為這個量體一方面是擴大再來是金額的增加的數額所以我們如果說只運用今年的額度那過了上半學期之後確實一定是會不夠的"},{"start":5232.248,"end":5236.972,"text":"那這個當然是我們的這個希望說國會還是可以盡速來通過我們的這個115年度的預算案讓我們無論上學期或下學期都可以如期的來運作而且回到剛剛前面如果說我們在海外針對這些台商要去做一些輔助的時候這一個海外信用保證基金應該也算很重要這也是個新興計畫"},{"start":5254.066,"end":5283.056,"text":"對 我們107年開始就已經說已經通過行政院的這個增資計畫多20億結果這8年來的都就是因為要有民間4成公務基金才能補助6成那我們前幾年因為疫情狀況都很不穩定的時候其實所有的台灣行庫幾乎就沒有再捐錢了直到今年我覺得這樣子不是個辦法所以又再度的走訪所有的銀行"},{"start":5283.616,"end":5306.97,"text":"那所有的公司銀行大家都很幫忙所以我們今年已經確定又募到了一筆款所以我們才對等編列這個公務款項那為什麼今年會這麼急的原因是因為今年對等關稅要實施很多人需要資金的流通所以我們希望把這個基金規模趕快到位這樣我受信額度就提高那我今年9月已經公布說我要從200萬"},{"start":5308.411,"end":5326.958,"text":"美金的額度要提高到300萬美金的額度所以我一定要努力的把我這個基金的規模可以做到30億那目前我只有22億而已對好 這個確實影響很大那因為時間的因素我其他的就可能在下次有機會的時候我再來問好 謝謝委員長謝謝沈委員謝謝主席好 謝謝接下來請陳俊宇委員上台質詢"},{"start":5343.476,"end":5346.582,"text":"好 謝謝召委 有請我們委員長請委員長好 委員長早 還好吧陳委員早安"},{"start":5353.234,"end":5375.691,"text":"好 那我想就這個僑民的異難這個新制上路後的執行狀況跟委員長您做一個討論那先前有其他的委員也曾經跟您詢問過為了讓不同身份的異難在伏兵役的義務更加公平也避免這個假僑民徵逃兵的狀況"},{"start":5376.812,"end":5405.371,"text":"有關僑民一覽的這個新規定從9月8號開始實施到現在已經超過三個月了包括新制的申請流程和所需的這個文件或是出境後四個月內要補交相關的文件等配套措施那實際上它的操作方式以及審核的這個期程會不會過於冗長那這些複雜的手續和不確定性可能都會造成年輕僑民不安"},{"start":5406.071,"end":5430.013,"text":"進而減少他們回到台灣的意願也由於這個政策上路時較為倉促引發僑民很多的疑慮這個新的政策雖然有我們僑委會整理好的懶人包協助理解但是對於中文程度相對弱勢的僑民來說可能還是不好理解"},{"start":5430.493,"end":5443.25,"text":"甚至在這個申請出境文件審查的這個平台上也是以中文為主那這個部分是不是有我們僑委會擬定什麼樣的一個改善的一個空間 有沒有"},{"start":5444.315,"end":5463.784,"text":"謝謝陳委員的關心事實上我們在11月開始我們就已經製作所有英文版的懶人包以及所有的表格文件資料我們林貴的辦理也都有中英文的協助所以如果不是華語程度很好的人"},{"start":5464.364,"end":5467.387,"text":"來一樣可以沒有溝通障礙我們會用英文跟他們協助這是第一點那第二點我們也在這將近三個多月的時間當中逐步的觀察就是謝謝很多"},{"start":5480.758,"end":5499.643,"text":"海外僑民還是願意配合我們這些相關的政策隨著第一個月確實有很多因為心智上路的不熟悉不了解或者是沒有資訊造成很多錯誤的理解隨著我們在這兩個月當中密集的去做很多溝通跟宣傳以後"},{"start":5500.623,"end":5519.049,"text":"那現在各種負面不理解的錯誤資訊呢就下降很多然後來辦理的速度也快很多那我們也要一次持續的動態檢討就是說看明年度開始我們可不可以做一些改變首先第一個改變是我們明年1月2號起我們會增加多一個據點在高雄就是所有的跟我們"},{"start":5528.073,"end":5538.54,"text":"僑委會有關的證件的辦理呢在高雄也可以遞件當然就包括華僑議政用的華僑身份證明書那我們也是有鑑於說僑民一覽會返國最多的人數呢大約都會是落在農曆年前的這個半個月當中所以我們就明年的1月下旬開始我們會更加強做這一方面的這個協助所以我們"},{"start":5555.211,"end":5559.195,"text":"現在是北高兩點那如果高雄這個據點的量也有相當的幅度我們也在預算允許的狀況下我們願意再評估中部地區是不是再多增設一個點這樣子不過跟委員說明是因為我們每多增設一個點我們的人力的成本跟我們的負擔確實都是相當大"},{"start":5577.575,"end":5581.617,"text":"那在我們沒有增加新的預算結構之下我們現在其實都是雲芝我們原來既有的人力拜託同仁辛苦一點我們多派一位同仁下去做這樣子的業務而且我們也拜託我們在南部辦公室"},{"start":5593.843,"end":5598.105,"text":"特別給我們一個空間來提供我們做這樣的變名服務那所幸我們行政院南部辦公室也都給我們很好的協助所以我們明年1月2號開始呢也就是這個禮拜五我們就開始啟用我們的南部辦公室讓他們可以來遞送案件那除此之外我們也考慮到在下個年度我們議政用的這個華僑身份證明書我們也要把它改為"},{"start":5623.315,"end":5630.821,"text":"可以用數位的領取方式那這樣就更便利我們這些僑民就是說他來送件的時候是因為護照無論是中華民國護照或他國護照我們還是要驗證正本那但是之後的他就不用他可以就離開送完件就可以離開我們在審核半天之後可以用數位版的模式傳給他"},{"start":5646.414,"end":5649.616,"text":"那這個數位版會有我們的數位認證計畫讓議政司讓移民署他們都可以追蹤這個我們的數位編號所以這個也會有助於讓我們的這個申請者呢更加的便利也節省時間好好委員長剛剛您說就是我們會增加一個高雄的據點是那"},{"start":5670.325,"end":5695.936,"text":"後續可能還會沿你中部的一個據點可是我好像沒有看到沒有聽到你說東部的據點這個有沒有可能委員我們會評估就是說我們移民的人數的分佈當然如果說我們預算夠充足我們當然希望北中南東都各有一個據點來方便就近服務這個是我們當然長遠來想我們希望這樣做這部分要拜託委員長"},{"start":5697.096,"end":5723.852,"text":"對所以我也希望說就我現在先以拓一點高雄的據點南部來先試試看一年的這個辦理有多少案件量那如果案件量有相當的比例我們就會繼續擴增到中部那中部也有大的飽和量我們也會持續思考是不是再進行到東部所以我們是一點一點穩健的來擴增那因為也是有鑑於國家預算整體是有限的所以我們"},{"start":5724.852,"end":5748.838,"text":"總是在思考說怎麼樣一方面能變名然後一方面能提高我們的這個服務效率再加上說我們的預算不用花費很多那針對這個華僑身份證明書的有效期目前是只有一年那有些僑民他們常常在反映他們回來的回國的次數也不是很多是不是在這個證明書的有效期有沒有可能做"},{"start":5749.458,"end":5752.22,"text":"這個延長的調整這個我們可能還要再研究法規因為這個是跟法規綁在一起的目前我們的華僑身份證明書是本來都是提供給一些僑胞他們要返國去做財產繼承土地買賣或是投資去給其他各部會驗證用的所以我們其實都是比照國內的這個相關證件的邏輯你看一般互證事務所是以半年為效期就你申請這案件到你辦這個文件"},{"start":5778.613,"end":5794.004,"text":"只有半年效期那我們是以說因為在海外所以我們是一年效期那所以因為每一個人都是在變動中的狀態他可能今年是在這個國家明年可能換到另外一個國家所以如果我們現在提供過長其實也不一定是一個合理的狀態"},{"start":5795.925,"end":5816.95,"text":"再來是對於這個出境時候需要上傳可證明的四個月內居住於僑居地的這個文件這個部分那我想因為這個部分有一些僑居地實際生活地的這個與實際生活地的不同的僑民會因為在取得這個證明文件上的一個困難"},{"start":5818.251,"end":5834.629,"text":"比如說他是在亞洲工作可是在亞洲工作或是在這裡讀書或是在這裡旅行可是他實際居住地是在美國那你為了要取得這個證明文件他還得飛往美國去取得證明文件之後再飛回我們台灣"},{"start":5835.37,"end":5852.886,"text":"那針對這個部分我們有沒有可能有一個調整或是變動的一個方式有 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真的沒有意義那可見得就是我後來也去了解就是說這個基本上是"},{"start":6938.258,"end":6944.504,"text":"掛的好像是美國舊金山這個什麼什麼什麼事實上就是他其實是假的他是要騙國內不知情的第三者在這個過程當中會不會因著這個獎金或者說因為他是海外的然後取得信任以至於他就去參加了這個活動那這種的話我想他都是一種惡意的做法因為我們已經有跟總堂確實"},{"start":6964.12,"end":6983.365,"text":"認證過這件事情而且這個其實就是一種想要以假亂真甚至於就像剛剛這個您所提到的他希望營造說原來這樣的一個堅定反共的社團其實現在也不反共了甚至於要要求和平那麼好那謝謝這個徐委員長的回覆那麼謝謝謝謝林委員謝謝接下來請盧憲一委員上台質詢"},{"start":7000.577,"end":7000.899,"text":"有請委員長請委員長"},{"start":7008.582,"end":7036.47,"text":"盧委員早安委員長你好今天最主要是有三個問題要問你那我剛看了這個專案報告書裡面我們說特別在台灣在高科技半導體資訊跟醫療生技方面沒有提到的是我們的農業那我想說最近我們跟工研院跟技術師在我們雲鄉地區有做一些智慧農業的部分比如說導入了一些智慧的灌溉系統比如說我們的段木香菇用機械化"},{"start":7037.711,"end":7047.404,"text":"類似半自動這樣的一個科技在裡面我想說我們跟台紐、台澳這個比較重視農業的國家還有加拿大是不是有可能把我們的智慧農業傳遞到那邊去"},{"start":7049.932,"end":7054.455,"text":"謝謝盧委員的關心確實我們在2021年2022年的時候我們確實有把台灣的智慧農業介紹給我們海外的橋台商因此就有我們成立了兩個觀摩團跟研習班其中一個比方說在剛剛你提到的加拿大我們有一位在加拿大做農業非常成功的一個案例他因為回來台灣"},{"start":7080.013,"end":7104.625,"text":"參加了我們這個農業觀摩團以後因此他就積極的把台灣的這個系統就引去引到加拿大去發展那使得他的這個事業規模也越做越好那所以我們確實這幾年在對加拿大或者是紐西蘭澳洲這幾個特別重視原住民的政策的國家呢我們也都有配套的在"},{"start":7105.185,"end":7126.858,"text":"鼓勵大家說有沒有可能繼續往這個方向提到這個部分是希望能夠藉由我們僑委會這邊能夠媒合我們比較優秀的我們的原住民的農業青年能夠去那邊比如說就業啦或者是一些技術的一個轉移或者是指導要參與那方面那邊的一個產業的活動第二個就是我們的智慧醫療的部分"},{"start":7127.338,"end":7131.46,"text":"跟委員報告一下我們明年2026年的9月份我們會再辦理一班叫做智慧農業研習班那屆時如果說我們有原住民的一些青農他們有一些好的這個發展的我們也會去跟他們做交流或者邀請他們來參加這個研習班來做分享這個是我們可以安排的麻煩委員到時候再推薦給我們"},{"start":7153.592,"end":7178.589,"text":"我們原民會來一起討論好的那2024年我有參加在澳洲舉行的一個所謂的Pride Act也就是我們泛太平洋地區的一個醫學的醫護人員的一個探討會那這2026年他會在台灣舉辦那是在這次是北伊來主導那我希望就是說我們的南島與西國家比如說我們這次的比較"},{"start":7180.39,"end":7207.031,"text":"在裡面比如夏威夷 我們的帛琉還有馬紹爾這些國家這是我們的邦交國的話我希望這些我們南島語系的國家可以去推廣他們來參加這樣的一個會議因為這個我們雖然可能僑胞不多可是藉由我們的智慧醫療或者是說我們因為基因的關係可能疾病類型會相同所以就這方面的努力我想說應該是多來促進我們"},{"start":7208.772,"end":7213.775,"text":"各個南島有區國家的一個所謂的醫療的一個會議謝謝盧委員的這個關心我們會請外交部跟我會轉達給外交部跟我們衛福部在明年2026年的這個大會裡面"},{"start":7225.503,"end":7227.744,"text":"能夠協助邀請讓我們的三個邦交國Massoud 群島 Plough還有就是夏威夷以及 Tuvalu就是我們南島語系國家其實這個也沒有設限一定要是邦交國"},{"start":7249.878,"end":7264.605,"text":"那我們還是會把訊息跟外交部還有就是衛福部來提供因為我們確實在這幾個國家裡面只有在PLAOPLAO是稍微有一點點僑民其他幾國幾乎沒有僑民"},{"start":7266.926,"end":7295.461,"text":"好 那最後一個問題就是關於我們COP30剛剛結束在巴西貝倫舉行的一個熱帶氣候會議那有一個這個永續的基金它計畫募集大概1250億美金的這個規模那德國已經首先響應說捐了10億美金那我想說我們的綠領人才我們的探足機 探會這些我們可能還在開始那我們確實這個部分是跟原住民的議題是非常相關的"},{"start":7296.181,"end":7311.927,"text":"所以以後在有這方面的一些國際性的一些探討或者是培養人才的時候也希望能夠加上我們原住民的一個參與好的跟盧委員報告今年的在巴西北部的巴倫舉行這個氣候峰會就是說中華民國台灣還是有派我們部會首長去參加那基本上這個權責單位是在環境部"},{"start":7321.67,"end":7330.573,"text":"所以彭部長這邊這個相關訊息我們也會來提供給他希望說未來在原鄉地區的這個專業人才我們可以多邀請一起來關注我們的這個相關的環境的這個維護跟發展好 謝謝謝謝陸委員好 謝謝接下來請王定宇委員上台質詢"},{"start":7355.717,"end":7381.398,"text":"好 謝謝主席 麻煩委員長前委員長王委員早安 委員長老趙 你今天比較辛苦一點不會不會好 那個我第一個問題是跟中國剛執行的不正義沒有使命的軍演有關係啦 他們很會取名字就是拿軍事力量威脅別的國家叫做"},{"start":7382.279,"end":7411.158,"text":"正義使命這個就是黑白顛倒獎但是合謀是他們的權利那中國軍事常態化在台灣周邊在日本旁邊在渤海灣黃海韓國旁邊南海菲律賓旁邊甚至於今年二月份跑到澳洲的外海進行實彈軍演所以中國這種軍演威脅區域和平穩定台灣當然首當其衝但台灣絕對不是唯一啦那這跟你們僑委會有什麼關係呢"},{"start":7412.439,"end":7435.309,"text":"我要請教就是說我們海外的僑界支持中華民國台灣的僑界或者過去傳統像蝶敏月那邊有一些反共的僑界對於這些軍演我們僑委會有做了哪些努力或者有哪些聲音以國際盟友來講縱使沒有正式的邦交關係歐盟歐盟發表的談話叫做"},{"start":7436.529,"end":7457.65,"text":"中國軍演加劇了這個區域的緊張危及了國際的和平穩定歐盟還說歐盟的發言人正式出來說台海是一個非常重要地方牽涉到國際的安全跟繁榮的戰略重要性這個是歐盟那我再舉個例子英國外相說"},{"start":7459.412,"end":7485.49,"text":"反對 他一樣 他認為中國的軍演影響到區域的和平穩定反對這種片面的去影響現狀影響和平穩定的一些作為呼籲用對話來取代軍演日本 日本直接透過共同社表達他們外交單位有向中國表達中國軍演對這個區域形成區域緊張的影響"},{"start":7486.86,"end":7502.475,"text":"那川普總統呢很有意思川普總統他直接講中國不敢啦中國不敢啦不會啦他的口氣也是 我沒辦法模仿他啦那美國的台灣連線的主席這Craig"},{"start":7503.581,"end":7532.024,"text":"他表達說中國這個軍演影響了區域的和平穩定他們給予譴責並且呼籲加速提供台灣必要的自衛能力另外共和黨的軍事委員會在軍事委員會的主席Wicker他訪問過台灣Wicker也表達了跟台灣連線共同的看法我還可以念法國的啦菲律賓都有啦這些聲明有一個共同的特色就是"},{"start":7532.928,"end":7560.736,"text":"誰在鬧事 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沒有錯客觀的國際現實從台灣內部的政治更迭這件事情是國際麻煩製造者中國的野心跟台灣的政治局勢其實是無關但我很遺憾國內有這樣做所以我剛才問就是說我們僑委會從收集資訊到主動營造僑界做出有我的行動以外我現在要問的另外一個就是那如果有因為僑務委員是政府的職務"},{"start":7813.315,"end":7834.254,"text":"他也是一个荣誉职当然我们还有乔物的荣誉职我们有乔物委员荣誉的乔物职不管怎么样的职务但乔物委员是总统聘任的有法源依据的总是这些头衔是来自于我国的法源依据我们政府的一级机关给予授权如果有乔物委员去附和中国的说法"},{"start":7834.995,"end":7841.9,"text":"認為是台灣挑釁認為是委員這個以前有發生過曾經在馬總統時期因此開除了兩個僑務委員當時馬政府也開除僑務委員所以我說這個一致的這個沒有分誰執政我的意思說現在如果我們僑務委員中國的軍演結果附和中共的論調"},{"start":7859.818,"end":7886.066,"text":"指台灣挑釁這有點像色狼意圖對女性不軌你不去檢討色狼檢討女性的穿著一樣荒謬我們要講什麼主張什麼是一個自由民主開放社會的權利不管叫總統或者是菜市場做生意的都有主張的權利沒有人可以拿槍桿子來威脅一個自由民主國家你可以主張什麼你不能主張什麼主張那個造成別人拿槍威脅你就是我們自己不對"},{"start":7886.986,"end":7892.248,"text":"我們自己國內有人這樣主張那是國人沒辦法開除這個人但是如果有僑務委員做這樣的主張的話我會要求僑務委員過去馬政府也開除過兩個對你們應該要去看有沒有會 我們會來了解如果他們有在群組或公開做這些狀況我這邊不公開點名我有資料我會給你好的我認為這個是"},{"start":7909.653,"end":7924.654,"text":"黨派是民主競爭OK國家存亡是共同利益沒有黨派之分如果有人拿軍拿軍事力量拿著槍指著我們國人的腦袋還在附和他的話"},{"start":7926.058,"end":7950.709,"text":"哪有一丁點資格跟臉皮拿我們國家榮譽紙這個就要處理所以這一個部分我認為我們僑委會可以從收集資訊進一步影響僑界做出對台灣有利的事情到進一步我們要看看哪一些人其實是拿著中華民國國旗反中華民國這個應該要做處理請委員提供資訊謝謝委員長謝謝王委員"},{"start":7956.308,"end":7959.309,"text":"好 謝謝接下來請麥玉珍委員上台質詢現在主席有請我們僑委會的委員長好 請委員長麥委員早安"},{"start":7985.855,"end":8012.871,"text":"委員長好 我們僑委會在報告中有提到這幾年通過海外僑團商會親商培育以及就是產業交流邀訪的活動來連結海外僑台商與台灣的產業發展這些努力本席給予很高也高度的肯定 因為我們有一起過"},{"start":8014.112,"end":8027.863,"text":"所以呢但是我想要請教一下除了辦活動後續的制度有沒有真正的連結起來橋委會邀請海外的橋台商來台參訪AI"},{"start":8030.529,"end":8054.085,"text":"智慧科技製造還有就是醫療等產業這些安排和國內各單位交流也媒合很棒也很有意義但是活動結束後呢有沒有後續的追蹤是否真正的促成合作注意台灣產業走向"},{"start":8055.365,"end":8071.932,"text":"國際的市場或有哪一些具體可就是持續的效果 另外報告裡面也要說配合產業發展與供應鏈調整來推動橋台商的連結 請教一下"},{"start":8073.232,"end":8092.86,"text":"我們是否有和經濟部 國發會等的部會固定合作把橋台商的力量納入整體發展 產業的發展還是各做各的 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就是說我也希望說我們用勞動部的85萬的移工他們怎麼樣開放讓我們可以就剛才的缺工的補足就缺那個學生的那個就是對我覺得是要跨部會合作謝謝"},{"start":9550.639,"end":9555.542,"text":"接下來請林倩琦委員林倩琦林倩琦委員不在請謝依鳳委員上台質詢謝謝主席我想要請我們委員長請委員長"},{"start":9577.06,"end":9603.817,"text":"謝委員你好委員長我看到了僑委會就是說你們相關的就是海外就是僑商就是間接的這個成果但我想要了解我知道僑委會一定了解就是僑商是我國非常重要的一個海外鏈接的一個就是說我們主力"},{"start":9605.038,"end":9622.714,"text":"對然後不管是在生產不管是在商業的鏈結以及未來人才的培養上面都非常重要那對於在經濟的部分我想要請問我們是不是能夠在"},{"start":9624.415,"end":9643.045,"text":"藉由橋商這樣子的平台在海外也能夠發展永續的這樣子一個就是說不管是碳灰的基地也好或者是有沒有這樣子的一個規劃據你了解委員我不是很了解你的內容是"},{"start":9644.426,"end":9667.74,"text":"因為就是說我們海外的僑界他們所居住的僑居地其實他們的土地都比台灣還要大部分都大大很多所以在不管是碳匯或者是就是說種樹或者是用不同的方式當然現在也有很多是藻類或者是什麼等等的"},{"start":9669.181,"end":9690.774,"text":"來作為一個能夠成為碳交易平台以及能夠讓台灣的廠商有相關的這樣子一個就是說尋找這種碳交易的這種碳或碳中和的這樣子一個是不是僑委會未來也可以做相關的"},{"start":9693.483,"end":9715.084,"text":"這樣我了解了那個跟委員報告就是因為過去這三年中我們都一直在不斷的希望協助海外橋台上能夠升級那除了在數位化的智慧生產方面升級以外我們當然很重視ESG所以在ESG上面我們過去這幾年無論在北美洲或是在亞洲"},{"start":9716.205,"end":9720.387,"text":"或者在歐洲甚至後來我們鼓勵那個世界台商總會去成立一個ESG的委員會專門來各國做各項的這個除了論壇然後這個實際的交流以外那麼近年來呢我們在亞洲地區確實也有成立了一些具體的"},{"start":9737.358,"end":9739.939,"text":"叫做碳中和協會那碳中和協會現在在東南亞國家他們逐漸越來越擴張從泰國開始到越南那麼我們也具體有從113年開始就協服我們海外的台商在溫室氣體的盤查輔導計畫那這個計畫我們去年是選了兩家"},{"start":9763.823,"end":9771.589,"text":"台商因為我們相對給他補助他也要自己出一部分的資金然後我們給他這個企業做企業診斷讓他知道他要怎麼改善以便可以符合未來這個淨零碳排RE100如果他的這個產品未來是要銷往歐洲"},{"start":9782.296,"end":9786.437,"text":"那它要符合這個RE100的時候那它需要做哪些廠區的這個生產設備的改善或者它的整體的這個能源的運用或是它的原料的來源等等那這一部分我們從去年開始事實上確實有在應該說112年開始在先做一個民意調查調查完以後我們是去年開始做具體的輔導計畫"},{"start":9806.621,"end":9811.422,"text":"那就由廠商來申請以後我們選出兩家做試驗型的計畫那到今年呢我們更進一步就加強這個企業淨零碳排的計畫當中呢我們有辦了三場的這個成果分享會也就是說這兩家已經被我們這個做企業診斷完以後輔導完以後我們請他來分享他如何去改善"},{"start":9828.086,"end":9832.128,"text":"那擴張他的市場那同時我們也跟亞洲台商總會一起合作在他們的這個年會當中呢辦理這個溫室氣體盤查的計畫成果的分享會那今年呢我們也有辦這個淨零碳排的種子培訓營那有來自泰國美國菲律賓韓國印尼越南巴西等七個國家那這些國家的這個參與者我們同時也"},{"start":9857.222,"end":9885.696,"text":"除了他們回來台灣參加我們也有派人出去在各國去做演講所以這部分是雙向的有在長期的進行好 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有請委員長請委員長"},{"start":10259.011,"end":10270.921,"text":"林委員你好委員長好委員長上一次上個月的時候我在這邊曾經向您就教有關僑委會海外信保基金的問題是因為上一次的時間比較來不及詢問完整所以我想說依照這一個再來詢問相關的問題委員長相信你一定非常清楚海外的信保基金是僑委會協助海外發展給具有潛力還有欠缺擔保品的僑台商提供的一個信用保證"},{"start":10288.395,"end":10309.201,"text":"幫他們順利的取得銀行的融資但是問題是這六年來海外信保基金的業績卻一直在嚴重的下滑雖然目前的淨值額仍然是充足的照我看本院的預算的中心報告資料裡面有發現如果海外信保基金用113年底的淨值額"},{"start":10311.181,"end":10314.743,"text":"24億元來換算表示這個基金可負荷的保證金已達240億了如果再用114年7月底可負荷的保證金餘額來算的話來看這樣目前這個基金其實還有78億的淨值"},{"start":10328.61,"end":10340.103,"text":"可以使用而且也是就等於是高出113年底的三倍之多所以上一次我在業務報告的時候也是有詢問過委員長說你們是否考慮對海外信保基金減資避免成為錢坑但委員長你的答覆是說因為114年的績效不佳"},{"start":10348.453,"end":10352.936,"text":"因為那個時候美國川普對等關稅的影響才會讓這個企業都不願意增加投資然後也導致了整個信保基金乘坐上面的案件的績效非常的差這樣所以我在想說因為美國川普總統實施的對等關稅讓這些橋台包到現在都還在觀望"},{"start":10366.485,"end":10373.867,"text":"那是不是意味著川普的對等關稅的措施確實讓我們海外的橋台商這些經濟投資的發展的情況真的是不好呢否則今年已經是今年是最後一天了嘛那從橋委會今天的報告來看的話完全看不出橋台商的產業發展的情況那我想請問一下橋委會的海外信保基金今年最後總共到底是成做了多少件事整體的業績"},{"start":10395.071,"end":10416.678,"text":"我請我們侯董事長來跟您說明來請委員好那這邊跟委員報告就是我們事實上今年的話到11月底是總共承保了317件那整個銀行收入金額是2億3千4百多萬那相較去年的話去年的話整個全年度是348件2億5千多萬"},{"start":10417.358,"end":10434.573,"text":"那我們預計到年底的話應該會比去年會稍微再成長一些那基本上是業務上應該是沒問題那至於說剛剛委員提到說倍數問題那事實上以過去來看的話大概依照今年到11月底的話我們整個那個保證倍數大概3.18倍啦"},{"start":10436.114,"end":10451.991,"text":"雖然說我們所謂的上限到10倍可是如果假設是以這個10倍來算的話因為剛剛我也提到我們大概進行到24億變成說我們整個要保證到所謂的大概差不多到242億這樣的一個金額的話因為我們現在貸償率大概是1.4%"},{"start":10453.513,"end":10474.141,"text":"所以假設這個待場率全部都是我們要去待場的話那事實上我們大概每年可能就是要去待場達到3.39億的這樣一個金額那事實上這樣一個金額可能會造成我們這個季節虧損所以因為這樣的狀況所以我們事實上整個那個保證倍數我們上次逐步來增加可是也要去考量我們整個這個一個待放能量跟這個一個壽性品質以上"},{"start":10475.342,"end":10482.147,"text":"因為今年的10月初其實才發生了川普對等關稅的經貿的問題到現在也是還沒有解決但是因為我們美國對台的這個部分因為他還沒有完全公佈完今天當然是2025年的最後一天我們也一直都知道說他已經要公佈但是要選擇公佈是美方我們也不能push他說你要趕快公佈"},{"start":10499.56,"end":10505.284,"text":"但是到目前為止我們曾做的案件確實在海外到目前為止有314件委員你這個資料因為是7月底而已7月底才190件所以到目前為止是確實11月底有300多件已經上來了"},{"start":10516.591,"end":10520.553,"text":"承作的概念是說委員是這樣子我們沒有什麼減不減資的問題我們跟一般的銀行不一樣因為我們是在做信用保證而已所以是用這一筆基金來作為信用保證的基礎所以如果我信用的保證基金額度過低那銀行就不想跟我玩了"},{"start":10536.141,"end":10540.225,"text":"他說你就沒有能力啊你沒有待長能力的時候我還讓你做寶那不是做假的嗎所以這是為什麼我們在2017年會有那個增資計畫原來我們的基金不到10億後來在2017年為了要提高這個額度"},{"start":10553.556,"end":10556.018,"text":"貸款的這個受信額度當時配合新南向因此行政院通過了20億增資計劃那這20億增資計劃到現在8年了我們事實上只有增到22億就停止就沒有再增加"},{"start":10568.607,"end":10574.433,"text":"所以我一直看說這樣也不是辦法所以我今年就確定說要親自出馬去遊說我們這些民間的這個公股跟民股的行庫他們因為要捐款捐到4成我政府才能有這個相對6成的公務預算撥補所以今年我好不容易已經募到7000多萬了"},{"start":10591.108,"end":10608.043,"text":"這個確實我們公股行庫也好我們的民營行庫也好今年又給我們捐了一筆錢那所以我才能對等編了一億零五百萬不過到現在因為立法院沒有審查通過所以如果沒有過我這個錢就不能這個撥補所以我的基金規模就變成只有停在23億而已"},{"start":10610.016,"end":10615.781,"text":"我針對就是說當然海外信保基金最主要是要協助僑民還有僑台上取得資金這是大家都知道的但是代償的餘額一直在上升這樣有沒有什麼就是你們有沒有研議怎麼追償的這些機制以減少損失有沒有什麼策略"},{"start":10627.972,"end":10651.704,"text":"有 我們是全中華民國唯一一個這個追群這個就是說代償的企業是終身的因為其他的銀行 行庫他們就只有20年20年沒有他們就打為代帳但是呢 信保基金 海外信保基金我們不是 我們是終身所以只要他的個人的這個帳戶裡面有出現錢我們就會馬上去把他扣回來"},{"start":10655.146,"end":10658.347,"text":"或者還有任何資產我們就會終生把它追究那事實上我們的代償的比例其實是沒有增加的是總金額看起來有增加原因是因為我們案件量越來越多嘛因為幾十年來累積的嘛"},{"start":10671.873,"end":10693.439,"text":"所以那個累積如果每年有多一件那一件就會持續一直加上去但是我們也有繼續追回來一些錢這不是沒有但是來回之間這是為什麼我基金規模要有一定的額度我才能得到這個信任感讓大家覺得說我這個信保基金是有能力不會做到一半我自己就垮掉的"},{"start":10693.919,"end":10709.386,"text":"原因在這裡但是我們現在對於案件的審核機制我們有更好的模式讓他變成呆帳的機會就越來越少了這部分我們有在努力當中謝謝那我再問一個問題就是僑委會在111年的時候有委託一個中經院做了一個僑商參與台灣場合合作的意向的調查分析然後這個報告是在112年的時候有公佈針對了全球的六大洲"},{"start":10722.151,"end":10727.814,"text":"橋台商對於台灣的產業的產學合作的意向所以當然我知道橋友會是要透過這個調查來了解台商企業的營運的趨勢還有動態還有只要是說看怎麼樣去連結海外的橋台商的跟與台灣的產業的共同的發展但是我看了這個報告內容有指出有五成的受調的亞洲橋台都認為需要培訓人才"},{"start":10747.105,"end":10751.829,"text":"然後有五成的北美的他希望透過技術移轉提升產品的價值然後有六成的歐洲橋台商他是希望期待新創企業的對接的合作平台然後四成的非洲橋台商他是希望能夠提供學生建教的實習的機會還有授課演講與經驗的分享那我只是想請教一下委員長就是明年明天就是等於115年了"},{"start":10774.027,"end":10779.788,"text":"這三年來本席有發現僑委會都沒有再更新最新的資料請問一下你們還有持續在做這個調查嗎還有研究嗎然後在現在國際情勢和經貿都是如此的競爭的情況下那你知道現在海外僑台商最新的意見究竟是什麼呢還有我剛剛提到這四個項目請問一下政府到底做了哪些"},{"start":10797.772,"end":10821.326,"text":"跟委員報告在111年就是2022年的那一次研究報告案事實上我們是跟中經院合作委託的案子所以那一次完了以後我們得到這個基本的database我們當然是要來執行一些事情那事實上六大洲的發展趨勢都很不一樣你以非洲跟歐洲來講雖然在同一個時區可是他的產業的形態"},{"start":10823.327,"end":10831.491,"text":"規模跟我們的僑民人數又差距很大過去曾經在非洲南非有7萬的僑民台商現在只剩下不到7000、6000多個人而已所以結構上是真的一直在變化當中所以這幾年我們也是一直配合國際的趨勢以及台灣的優勢在協助我們海外台商去調整他們的結構那這個幾年下來確實有一些進展"},{"start":10850.36,"end":10874.505,"text":"現在我們就沒有再委託做這麼大型的研究案了我們也沒有編那麼多的錢也沒有那個錢基本上是這樣講這個是前委員長時代他喜歡了解全球變化我們現在是轉換另外一種模式不花大錢但是一樣可以達到目標的就是我們跟各大州的州總會合作因為在他們下面會有一些"},{"start":10875.365,"end":10881.587,"text":"會員國跟會員所以我們是透過州總會我們還是有定期的比方說今年是因為對等關稅我們就透過這個系統來調查我們自己製造這個問卷然後透過州總會下放到所有他的這個各國總會以及會員然後再請他們回收回來我們來進行自己分析就沒有委託外面的學術團體去做這個大型的"},{"start":10903.335,"end":10913.722,"text":"這個研究案那不過這樣子做下來我們也覺得對於各州務實的了解其實還是有幫助所以做法上是不一樣但是持續有在做謝謝委員謝謝接下來請蔡易瑜委員上台質詢"},{"start":10937.155,"end":10940.217,"text":"謝謝主席 那我們是不是有請委員長有請委員長葉委員你好 蔡委員你好 不好意思委員長 老趙 這是今年的最後一天明年就是2026年我想要跟委員長來請委員長來協助一件事"},{"start":10962.106,"end":10972.375,"text":"就是事實上委員長也知道這個阿里山的火車他非常的有很具有價值觀光價值對他被紐約時報是獲選是2025年全球最值得去的52個一個觀光的勝地所以阿里山的火車包括二顏平步道小火車日出這個都是非常"},{"start":10986.687,"end":11009.754,"text":"然後整個歐美客也紐約時報直接說他是搭乘古早的車廂進入艙域的一個高商所以這個古早的車廂這個字眼是有意義的阿里山火車基本上是日本人興建當時日本人是為了要拿到阿里山的Hinoki把這些Hinoki運到日本"},{"start":11010.154,"end":11025.551,"text":"所以包括日本過去他們明治神功的大鳥居他後來是因為遭到雷擊有換新的所以他最原始的大鳥居就是阿里山的Kinoki包括現在日本他的國寶法隆寺"},{"start":11026.372,"end":11053.57,"text":"法隆寺裡面它的佛堂也是用阿里山的Hinoki所以當年可以看到日本很多珍貴的照片都是台灣的Hinoki然後花這些這樣再運送到日本去所以當年有這樣的一個阿里山火車那只是說日本當時留下的這個阿里山火車在現在我們台灣我們把整個發揚光大整個阿里山的一個火車的一個沿線每一個景點都是充滿特色的地方所以"},{"start":11056.432,"end":11075.757,"text":"我要跟委員長講的就是說阿里山火車絕對有資格變成世界的文化遺產絕對是有這樣的一個資格但是要進入世界的文化遺產就很遺憾的在聯合國的教科文組織裡面他們是沒有辦法讓台灣獨自來申請因為他們並不讓台灣當作聯合"},{"start":11079.698,"end":11095.204,"text":"聯合國的成員國我們不是這樣的一個會員國裡面縱使我們有這麼好世界的一個文化遺產的一個潛力這樣的一個地方而且阿里山鐵路我們知道它是從平地然後一直到高山3000公尺對 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