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感謝肯定召委再次排案協商希望在2025年的最後一天我們有好的結果部長剛剛講了那麼多其實部長我覺得2350萬人或是我們15萬的外送員真的不care說你到底是外送平台放前面還是外送員放前面我覺得沒那麼care重點在於是要外送專訪出來這個是我們對於民眾的承諾"},{"start":3364.406,"end":3388.674,"text":"這也是行政部門不管過去部長擔任立法委員或是現在擔任部長其實很大的一個主張我記得2024年5月1號我們一起你那時候還是立法委員的時候我們一起在樓下的時候也有針對勞團我們也講是說外送專法要趕快過所以統稱都叫外送專法他就是要外送平台的管理外送員的保障消費者的保障餐廳的保障"},{"start":3389.574,"end":3413.165,"text":"然後讓劣幣不要驅逐良幣讓良幣可以留下來所以我覺得比較簡單大家看一下討論第21我們所有委員的版本以及還有黨團的版本它其實就是外送平台管理要放前面還是外送員權益保障要放前面但實際上都一樣"},{"start":3414.105,"end":3428.023,"text":"那我觉得请劳动部告诉我们说你的院版到底那个时候你们是怎么定因为其实就只有两个有总共有十几个快二十个提案但其实就是两个版本"},{"start":3429.444,"end":3454.552,"text":"所以如果说我们已经简化成这样了那就二则一的话重点是概念不变核心精神不变保障外送员的权益不变管理平台精神不变我觉得我没有坚持虽然我的版本是外送平台管理即从业人员权益保障法但我没有坚持我要的是实质顶多一个部分请大家讨论到底平台的台是写"},{"start":3455.572,"end":3477.822,"text":"比較簡單的台還是那個比較對因為這個我比較不確定為什麼有人寫那個台有人寫這個台那等一下請是不是法務部門或者說相關部門告訴我們平台台要哪一個台那其他到底是外送員放前面外送平台放前面我沒有堅持因為這個是外送專法我們讓他有實質的推進比什麼都重要以上謝謝"},{"start":3479.79,"end":3502.1,"text":"好请黄建豪委员发言好谢谢我想因为我的版本本来也是所谓的外送平台管理及从业人员权益保障法这个草案但是因为上次其实上次讨论的时候已经提到说不要放从业人员从业人员可能包含的暴露暴露万象他所有的后台什么等等的都属于这个范畴里面所以第一个当然我听进去有说我想有尊重部长意见的说外送员就好"},{"start":3502.66,"end":3529.938,"text":"好 那其實我也沒有一定要堅持平台或外送員放前面啦坦白說真的是這樣因為其實這個法案內容比較重要那名稱上因為部長剛才說了吧就是我們今天做這個法案的目的是希望保障外送員所以外送員可能是這個法的主體那當然我覺得如果名稱上要讓外送員放在前面我也沒有反對意見但是我覺得外送平台還是應該把它放在法案名字上面以上 謝謝好 請林岳勤委員發言"},{"start":3531.676,"end":3552.418,"text":"也謝謝剛剛前面兩位委員發言 看起來大家就比較有共識 為什麼 因為我覺得今天過去為什麼要去訂這個法無非也是勞動權益真的尤其事實上是不管是兼職全職 過去一直事實上沒有明定他們跟平台之間的關係的話 那他尤為事實上是比較弱勢 而且加上我們這法條幾乎"},{"start":3553.578,"end":3579.675,"text":"非常高的比例那都是在針對於外送員的權益啦所以我認為我還是會覺得應該我的版本事實上本來就是把外送員權益保障也是我們對這一群人這麼勞苦功高在台灣這樣子在COVID-19的時機帶動之下已經這麼多人投入的話對這15萬人也有所一些交代所以我認為還是放在前面如果剛剛兩位都沒有堅持我覺得這是一個好"},{"start":3580.575,"end":3598.326,"text":"那只是後邊我的是有加外送平台管理法那我的台大致上是比較國資那個台所以到時候待會真的再看到要用什麼樣的台那其他我覺得今天如果第一條能夠走能夠把它走完的話那是更好加大有共識以上"},{"start":3599.8,"end":3617.18,"text":"請陳昭智委員發言謝謝主席雖然我們本黨是第一個提出這一部法案的這個草案的黨團那但是我想我們這過去兩天的曾經的討論事實上把我們要的精神跟共識都已經取得了包括這個最低薪資的保障"},{"start":3617.74,"end":3646.112,"text":"包括他申訴管道的一個確實性然後他所要受到的應該有的這個紙災保險或等等這三個主要的精神我們都已經做到也有公示所以最後這個對於名詞的處理方式我們民眾黨沒有開放就是說尊重大家的討論那剛剛部長提的部分我們覺得也是聽得下去就可以接受我們就沒有堅持要我們自己的版本謝謝"},{"start":3647.83,"end":3677.21,"text":"好請部長補充我覺得這樣討論是我們可以讓很多事情可以想得更周全因為在當時在12月初的時候討論我記得那個名詞後來稍微保留一個原因是因為大家也覺得要在這裡面怎麼樣子去讓消費者或者是商家也覺得他是在這裡面被關切或者是被照顧的其中一份其實這個利益我是可以"},{"start":3677.99,"end":3698.645,"text":"理解的而且我其實也是同意的那我想要說的事情說因為我們之前在12月初當時的委員會的審議的時候其實我覺得對於商家跟消費者在這個法律裡面的幫助或照顧或協助其實我認為我們是可以論述的更清楚的"},{"start":3701.091,"end":3726.674,"text":"這個法絕對不是只保障外送員不是這個法對於店家對消費者也有幫助我想說明一下對店家跟消費者的幫助第一個比方說對於商家來說我們接下來可以透過這個契約的範本那在裡面把應記載跟不得記載的事項放進去舉例來說可能可以出一些問題包括"},{"start":3727.535,"end":3755.564,"text":"争议处理的机制可以未来在这些缺犯本里面就把它明定来避免平台可能单方面的不一定合理的条款这是可以对于商家合作的商家有一定权利的保障那有一个很重要的部分是我们透过这个法要求平台必须要保存货款的计算交易的往来跟争议处理的记录这个data必须保存下来"},{"start":3756.164,"end":3777.188,"text":"所以等到出问题的时候如果有什么争执的时候可以把这个data调出来来去处理相关的争议而不会遇到可能过去就是说这个店家手上都没有资料或者是找不到而无从追究或无从救济申诉的问题他也必须把这保留下来对消费者其实也是"},{"start":3779.079,"end":3806.157,"text":"有这个法以后可以避免平台在一些状况他会不会免责或者是模糊责任甚至他会去限制退费的范围等等会损害消费者权益的状况也可以比较避免平台单方面的去制定可能对消费者不一定有利的条款这个透过我们这次的修法里面也可以保障到这件事情也包括刚刚讲到这个交易的data的保存也可以保留下来"},{"start":3806.497,"end":3830.985,"text":"所以今天要做任何的申诉的时候也可以把这些可能过去的这些消费的资料给调出来来去做佐证来去做印证来去做厘清这都是对于消费者的权益很重要的一个部分所以我要说的事情说其实我们我在媒体上面说过蛮多次这个外送的专法如果用刚才红木卡委员说好假设简称叫外送专法他确实他处理的是四方关系"},{"start":3831.772,"end":3840.612,"text":"但这四方关系还是必须有一个认识的前提是在修法以前这四方关系里面平台是在权力里面相对优势的"},{"start":3841.929,"end":3867.503,"text":"外送员是在这四方关系里面相对弱势的因为他担负了安全的问题风险的问题甚至包括可能自己要担负一堆机车的成本油耗的成本维修的成本他在相对弱势的所以这是一个四方关系可是里面还是有强弱也因为有强弱所以我们会特别需要帮助在这关系里面相对比较弱的那一环支撑起他的基本权益我们这个法处理的是"},{"start":3868.664,"end":3886.23,"text":"保障基本权益的部分我们不是要帮他加到多高的薪水不是是基本权益的概念好所以如果从这个角度我还是想重申一些这个事情那所以我自己是比较建议还是比较建议说是不是可以就像刚刚两位委员说我们在法的名称里面看是"},{"start":3888.038,"end":3915.784,"text":"外送呃外送人权益跟平台保障好那就留这两个元素就留这两个元素但是要哪一个先哪一个后我觉得我们可以讨论可是希望留这两个元素可是如果把所有厉害情况放下来这真的太长了或者如果只有平台管理的话那真的也太不像劳动部我们所有的劳动部主管的法规里面当然没有任何一个法规是产业管理法我们的我们的问题是这样子的对"},{"start":3917.421,"end":3945.171,"text":"好謝謝勞動部長說明補充說明其實就是這兩條就今天要討論的名稱跟第一條就是基本上就是涵蓋剛剛所有的討論最核心的討論那要首先感謝所有委員同仁然後還有勞動部真的很努力還有現在在線上的這個外送員工會們還有外送員們其實他們也是扮演這個推動很大的角色因為過去像部長說的事實上各國的立法"},{"start":3945.891,"end":3971.693,"text":"包含現在台灣的也是先從外送源因為發現他們太弱勢了太弱勢了在演算法下面太弱勢了所以從他們出發然後開始來推動立這個法所以本席認為這個元素是絕對要有沒有錯然後外送平台管理的元素也要有沒有錯那當然從上一次討論到今天其實討論越深之後其實所有的法條裡面也牽扯到各個跨部會"},{"start":3972.794,"end":3999.505,"text":"包含剛剛說的四方關係所以包含這個消費者還有合作商家那也可以發現這段時間呢也有平台業者開始在做可能針對商家或甚至是針對消費者在做各種的問卷或甚至是一些一些相關的宣傳那所以也開始延伸說那開始也發現很多外送員商有很多外送商合作商家也覺得自己權益過去"},{"start":4000.325,"end":4027.802,"text":"有很多的不滿就是很多的缺失的部分甚至還有這個消費者的部分也是所以今天在討論這個部分的時候本席是認為這個是很重要的一個觀念和觀點所以我覺得名稱當然這兩個元素沒有問題但是實質上面要對於接下來的商家合作商家以及消費者的這個權益的保障可能要"},{"start":4028.742,"end":4053.068,"text":"說的更就是未來在訂定的時候也要把他們訂的更明確一點好那我們當然希望的最好是大家都共贏共好好產業也因此也會就是大家都各方權益都可以顧及的情況之下可以穩健的發展我想這是今天這個法很重要的一個部分啊好所以本席是認為那名稱的名稱順序各位委員有沒有什麼建議還是說把平台"},{"start":4054.164,"end":4079.566,"text":"外送平臺管理暨外送員權益保障法這樣子好不好外送平臺管理暨外送員權益保障法好請林月秦委員我認為還是把既然我們的主體事實上是外送員所以我覺得把外送員權益所以能不能還是把外送員權益放在前面後面再有那個外送平臺的管理這樣"},{"start":4082.514,"end":4106.648,"text":"請問請問其他委員有什麼其他的意見沒有沒有意見好OK那我覺得本期那這裡就要強調等一下第一條因為我認為這件事情就是在第一條的時候也要把另外的利害關心人包含外送商這個合作商家以及"},{"start":4111.623,"end":4136.734,"text":"主席不好意思因為很多委員用記但是剛剛我們法務部其實提醒說現在其實應該在法律處理名稱的處理上應該是要用集比記來得好所以可能要用集所以我們還是希望用集所以是這個外送員權益集權益保障集"},{"start":4138.311,"end":4164.721,"text":"外送平台管理辦法管理法管理法所以是外送員權益保障及外送平台管理法好不好那是不是要寫一下我們要有需要因為現在是要好像要書面了請勞動部提出確定文字請勞動部提出確定文字然後還有台到底是簡寫還是還是反寫的"},{"start":4168.406,"end":4192.268,"text":"對就是好那我剛想要表達就是說第一條的部分希望勞動部是不是也修正把上次那個上次上次有有爭議的部分也就是說把其他的利害關係人把寫進去我們在審查的過程中也發現其他的利害關係人也都很有有他們需要被保障的地方好不好好"},{"start":4194.966,"end":4215.863,"text":"那我们现在针对第一条吼那第一条有有两项嘛吼那我们其实也考虑了我们的期待那我们的所以我们的想法是这样吼就是说我们是不是可以在第一条我念一下我们现在的想法第一个是说未保障外送员顿耗"},{"start":4217.044,"end":4240.419,"text":"管理外送平台业者盾号维护消费者及合作商家权益斗号然后加上一句以横评各方权利义务关系斗号特制定本法这是在第一项也就是在倒数第二句的就是在特制定本法前加上一个以横评各方权利义务关系"},{"start":4241.68,"end":4252.948,"text":"這個加在前面來部長是不是可以請你們先提供文字給各個委員先發下來然後然後我們先把剛剛的名稱最後你們看到名稱的定案"},{"start":4255.114,"end":4282.026,"text":"名稱的部分有沒有有沒有問題如果名稱沒問題我們就是依照剛剛修正上來的版本好我再講我再念一次你們那個名稱跟第一條也都都一併給委員看好了就是外送員權益保障及外送平臺管理法請問其他委員有沒有名稱也給他們好那名稱沒有問題我們是不是名稱就"},{"start":4284.54,"end":4309.361,"text":"好 召委我想大家既然都是三方三個黨團都在這邊跟行政部門我們也做出很大一個善意跟讓步那我們也不堅持那這個就一定是三方的一個共識就是未還委員會的共識因為本席不禁注意到感覺行政部門很堅持的就是某黨團的版本的名稱"},{"start":4310.402,"end":4320.398,"text":"那我不多做揣測但我說這就一定就會是我們三方的一個共識未還委員會把所有的版本都納進去然後一起送出好不好以上"},{"start":4321.01,"end":4342.56,"text":"其實就是仲裁各位委員的意見然後通過的這個法因為畢竟也有修正文字所以這是仲裁各位委員的意見因為其實各位委員都有提到也都有關注其他的利害關係方好不好這是一個很很很好的民生法案所以沒有問題那再來第一條的部分大家看一下請那個建豪委員"},{"start":4343.598,"end":4365.695,"text":"好谢谢赵伟那个我想要请部长说明一下就是因为第一条部分你们特别放进了这几个文字就是以横评各方权利义务关系就是因为这个过去之前没有没有特别讲到事情说我们放了这个文字的用意放跟不放的差别他的特定的目的是什么可不可以请行政部门说明一下谢谢"},{"start":4366.874,"end":4388.68,"text":"好我说我先说明因为其实当初之所以第一条保留的原因是因为我们在审议的时候当初应该是王玉明委员那看到觉得我们的说明栏写得很好所以他觉得应该要把说明栏整个变成是第一条的内容"},{"start":4389.66,"end":4416.208,"text":"可是我们原本的说明很坦白说那里面有一些我们在检视他也有时候有些叙述也有一点最所以我们也仲裁大家的意见如果觉得我们原本的第一条写的太简化的话那把一些重要的概念我们再把它放到第一条的第一项跟第二项里面所以我们选择把这个第一项里面就放入这个以横评各方权利义无关系"},{"start":4417.148,"end":4443.993,"text":"那把这个关键字把它放到第一条的条文这个第一项的第一条第一项的条文里面去凸显我们花了很多心力都在想的是横评各方权利无关系这件事情那就会比原本我们的第一条第一项再来的这个讯息的量再多一点再丰富一点再完整一点那我们把这放进来这是我们把它第一项这样放的原因"},{"start":4444.873,"end":4460.343,"text":"那第二项呢原本我们是写说外送员权益保障及外送平台业者管理那就像刚刚包括赵伟各个委员说的大家都很重视包括合作商家跟消费者之间所以我们在"},{"start":4461.804,"end":4477.999,"text":"第二项的第一行我们就把它再加上外送员逗号顿号外送员顿号合作商家顿号消费者之权利保障就把其他两个大家也很在意的"},{"start":4478.88,"end":4505.869,"text":"这个合作商家跟消费者也摆到我们第二项里面来那更凸显大家其实一直在这个很关注的或者很很悉心在在修订的是针对这四方的关系的权利义务这样子所以我们这是我们修订第一条的第一项跟第二项的原因以上跟各位委员报告好请陈昭之委员发言"},{"start":4507.284,"end":4528.974,"text":"主席基本上當然這些說法是ok的但是在那個部長在邏輯上因為你加了一個橫評各方權利義務這個好像就是四個是相當當然我們心裡有數是最弱者相對是最弱者是外送員但是到第二到第二項的時候你那個次序"},{"start":4530.274,"end":4545.006,"text":"就外送員合作商家消費者的權益保障這三個是權益保障但是外送平台的重點是要管理他們那當然精神上或許如此可是這樣的話就跟你的第一項"},{"start":4546.753,"end":4567.248,"text":"為了橫平各方權利義務關係那樣講法好像又有一點好像看起來四平八穩但事實上兩項有一點邏輯相同沒有誤你到底是保障三方管一方還是大家真的是一個橫平關係"},{"start":4568.661,"end":4589.418,"text":"就請你再拿捏一下然後這個合作廠商外送員合作廠商消費者當然我不知道次序剛剛我們對前面題目的次序那麼在意那這個地方的這個次序呢對還是因為其實第一項跟第二項的那個順序對不對也要對稱一下可能要調整一下順序就是你第一項跟第二項是不是順序上或者是邏輯上要對稱"},{"start":4599.878,"end":4629.202,"text":"這外送員第一都沒有問題可是你第一項是先外送員然後管理平台然後消費者和商家可是到了第二項的時候又跳到外送員合作商家消費者在最後是平台這個部分有沒有需要調整那如果這樣的話我們可不可以一個想法的調整就是說因為的確是外送員跟消費者跟合作商家他比較是他的權益他比較是權益就動詞上應該是他的權益權益的維護或權益的保障就是這三者"},{"start":4629.882,"end":4645.408,"text":"那对平台因为他就是我们来讲四方里面相对比较优势的那一方他手上有这些数位工数位技术跟演算法所以他是一个我们应该对他是一个管理的的动词所以如果这样的话把第一项是不是变为保障外送员"},{"start":4646.488,"end":4668.366,"text":"消费者及合作商家权益然后后面在并管理外送呗就是一样都是把我就我们的顺序上都是外送员就是我们就明确外送员合作商家消费者然后后面就是平台管理我们的顺序上就把它逻辑一致化这样这也是可以然后对我来请孟凯委员"},{"start":4669.557,"end":4695.869,"text":"其实这样看起来大家手上都有拿到这个就是说我觉得第一段跟第二段开头其实有点重复跟赘语当然我不知道说这样子设计有没有什么特殊的目的但如果说这样看起来其实你就是我从第二段开始就是保障外送员盾号合作商家盾号消费者之权益及外送平台业者管理"},{"start":4696.869,"end":4717.657,"text":"那横评各方权益义务之关系特定定本法那依本法之规定那这样是不是可以把第一段跟第二段可以中整起来也许会更精简但核心精神不变我想刚刚部长也说明了就说其实外送员合作商家消费者是比较多的是权益的保障"},{"start":4718.317,"end":4742.237,"text":"那外送平台业者是管理那但是在这中间这四方都有权利义务的关系所以你必须要横平所以这个文字其实差不多立法精神我们都可以认同但是文字的部分能不能更精简一点我想这个就有赖说这个幕僚作业不然我现在看起来是第一段跟第二段其实有一点点"},{"start":4743.968,"end":4760.127,"text":"醉有沒有有點醉字其實就是把那個第一項的後面兩句話放到第二項對你的意思是這樣然後把它變成一項沒錯 趙偉你接收到我的point"},{"start":4760.427,"end":4781.346,"text":"所以我想说就是横评各方权益义务关系我觉得要保留这一句话横评各方权益义务关系要保留是因为确实啊也有我们之前一直在讲就是说如果真的很不良肃清不良的外送员也要有淘汰机制退场机制所以要横评各方权益义务关系那把它保留但是看怎么样这两段变成一段"},{"start":4781.926,"end":4808.16,"text":"也許更精簡但是又不會說像剛剛有陳創作委員提到就是說可能有重複或說那個矛盾衝突的狀況能不能我們不是以往都有電腦嗎能不能電腦如果還是今天跨年沒有加班是不是學生沒有電腦OK學生沒有電腦好那我交通委員會怎麼印象中有好沒關係"},{"start":4811.281,"end":4834.269,"text":"我们是这样想就是说我懂洪委员的意思就是说不要有些话这么重复那四个不用一讲再讲这样子然后这部分可以精简一点可是我认为在第一项他有个特制定本法这是蛮重要的因为这是一个立法的例子里面常常都有这你你是要来做什么的"},{"start":4835.189,"end":4847.433,"text":"我不知道可不可以請求主席可以休息個也許5到10分鐘我們這邊把那個這個條文再中整一下好不好然後再給大家來休息5分鐘好不好 好休息5分鐘餵飽"},{"start":4885.158,"end":4899.687,"text":"衛保障外送員如果參加消費者的權益衛保障外送員或民台消費者的權益及外送民台業者的管理以恆平各方關係 特定立法那依本法的規定"},{"start":4901.669,"end":4907.913,"text":"變成兩端變一貫兩端變一向對 兩端變一向這個要問一下"},{"start":4919.136,"end":4934.727,"text":"看一下看一下"},{"start":5109.221,"end":5109.562,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":5247.745,"end":5252.126,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":5282.901,"end":5282.921,"text":"有問題嗎"},{"start":5446.274,"end":5459.714,"text":"那就開始吧好為了節省大家的時間那我們就開始囉那勞動部已經把這個最後修正的版本送出來那我們要不要請這個後委司長來念一遍"},{"start":5465.718,"end":5489.765,"text":"第一條為保障外送員動號 消費者動號 合作商家之權益及管理外送平台業者逗點以橫屏各方權利義務關係特制定本法全項鎖定權益保障及管理依本法之規定那 以下就沒有修改了好 我們就OK好 那各位委員有沒有意見好 沒有意見"},{"start":5490.936,"end":5504.444,"text":"趙志偉沒有 洪峰凱委員沒有意見那行政部門也沒有意見那我們就這樣子通過請行政機關修正提供相關立法說明那現在宣告以下協商結論"},{"start":5506.19,"end":5532.988,"text":"法案名稱仲裁各位委員的意見法案名稱為外送員權益保障及外送平台管理法第一條條文也仲裁各位的意見照協商結果通過如附件含立法說明第三其餘均照審查會審查結果通過請問大家有無意見沒有意見請各黨團簽名"},{"start":5535.168,"end":5535.689,"text":"然後散會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}