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那這個運動部我建議你們要跟各大學提議區的"},{"start":2625.649,"end":2643.076,"text":"去做他們後來直矮的追蹤的時候再確認一下因為其實蠻多學校的體育系後來又加了休閒兩個字對因為從市場的需求上面這一類的人才是必要有的休閒之後就跑去當領隊導遊"},{"start":2645.941,"end":2668.435,"text":"有這樣子的發展 各式各樣跑去飯店那這很可惜就是說國家有規劃這樣的一個科系然後這樣的一個訓練後來沒當到運動沒當這個國家的運動員那如果再從事包括剛剛講譬如說去做健身教練去做體適能教練各式各樣的這個都是好事但是"},{"start":2669.275,"end":2677.758,"text":"建議還是要去追蹤一下這些體育科系畢業學生他們後來的發展 是的第二個我請教這個龔執行長長啊 我剛才回到一個家庭兩年前他跟我說有一個孩子去國訓中心全中運的金牌就對了去國訓中心之後說去訓練一兩年之後受傷了拉傷了 什麼受傷了"},{"start":2698.422,"end":2704.726,"text":"就離開了 離開後我就問他現在在做什麼他說現在是十字的工地 在做工人這裡面兩個課題 第一個課題是說這個國家訓練中心訓練完成或者是被退訓被退訓以後 你如果去追蹤說他現在在做什麼或是退訓後 長江好人推前浪阿表哥跟年輕人一起退訓後你們就不一樣了"},{"start":2728.801,"end":2752.311,"text":"委員好 跟委員報告一下我們國家運動訓練中心是針對運動部這邊的政策執行的一個單位所以他領選一些優秀的選手到我們這邊做長期的一個培訓當培訓結束以後呢選手他有個人個別的一個生涯的發展跟規劃那原則上我們在部裡面有訂一個優秀運動選手的就業輔導跟協助辦法"},{"start":2753.732,"end":2765.742,"text":"那他必須要達到一定的程度以上的選手我們就會給他後面的一個協助那如果他沒有到達那樣的程度的話可能就是依他個人的一個生涯規劃自行發展我是建議這樣啦因為這家長也說很無奈啦他說去訓練本來也很開心啊"},{"start":2774.011,"end":2778.735,"text":"全中運金牌 去訓練 訓練後受傷 現在在做工程這聽起來很辛酸 就是說國家本地 加上一位人才 國家本能訓練當然 他是沒有在問這個運動員為什麼去那邊弄個一兩年 出來就受傷啦這個事情可能後面的這些追蹤 我建議啦這個國家 人家在訓練的單位"},{"start":2801.794,"end":2809.097,"text":"這部分後面還是追蹤一下 不能說他的個人意願要不要去做綱領都不知道 這個聽起來都不好可能我們訓練的能量其實也有限我們也不可能說教過一輩子但是這個後面的追蹤 我建議還是要進行好 第三位 我們請鄭董事長"},{"start":2827.733,"end":2845.664,"text":"政董事長你是從公園院過來那顯然這個卓院長或者是李洋部長希望你從這個產業的角度進來這個政董事長你現在來這邊也沒多久他會不會跟這個體育界格格不入"},{"start":2846.617,"end":2868.227,"text":"跟委員報告原來在我工業院的業務就是從事運動科技的研發所以對於運動產業相關的業者還有生態有一些熟識當然對運動員稍微有一點距離但是經過這兩個月還有包含像前上個禮拜中華奧運主席的交接都結識了蠻多的運動專業的領袖還有運動員"},{"start":2873.715,"end":2882.762,"text":"接下來我請問這個次長我們這三大中心他們的預算現在夠不夠目前運作起來是可以的來 龔執行長 你錢有夠嗎次長說可以啊 你有夠嗎"},{"start":2894.058,"end":2921.839,"text":"目前來講是就是說我們每年都要會因應那個培訓的選手的多掛會有所調整好 我是建議次長這樣啦就是三大中心包括運動部的預算這個金融邊啦國家不會省這個錢是你們運動部跟三大中心的錢送到立法院我看也沒有人敢動你們的預算謝謝委員的支持這大家都支持的事情都是好事情"},{"start":2922.694,"end":2938.136,"text":"我最後請教一個問題我們的這個運動員啊很大部分來自我們花東地區對不對有一部分是有沒有考慮啊我們的國家訓練中心啊部分的運動項目啊把它設在花東"},{"start":2938.916,"end":2965.848,"text":"目前是有一些訓練的基地是放在台東跟花蓮還有宜蘭我們的水上的有划船的項目就是在宜蘭我是建議就是說還是做一下這些選手的原來他在青春 國小 國中 高中或是在高雄一隊做一下分析跟運動的項目不要我們大部分人都集運動員某些項目集中在花東"},{"start":2966.653,"end":2986.451,"text":"叫整間都召去國家信念中心召去中營 沒錯啦整間都召來其實他就帶他的故鄉最好就整間又召來這個我覺得在以後的配置上這部分也去委託做個研究就是說我們歷年的國家代表隊或國訓中心的成員"},{"start":2987.771,"end":3003.03,"text":"大部分这个选手来自什么地方有没有必要哪一些运动的项目刚好花莲跟台东环境也适合用地也没有什么困难那大家这样成本都低埃及要混点料"},{"start":3004.115,"end":3011.477,"text":"我們國家的訓練在那裡之後搞不好那個項目的運動產業就會留在那裡是的 沒錯這個人口 運動的這個人口就不會外流 它就在地嘛是訓練後自己的故鄉這塊我是建議運動部也啟動相關的分析是的看有沒有哪一些項目可以移到花蓮縣跟台東縣然後去做這樣的一個規劃好 以上 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝"},{"start":3033.24,"end":3048.737,"text":"好 謝謝王逸川委員那議事錄之前已經宣讀完畢了 尚未確定我們現在先確定議事錄請問各位 上次會議議事錄有沒有錯誤跟遺漏沒有的話 我們議事錄就確定接下來請林倩琦委員來做選答"},{"start":3063.358,"end":3067.082,"text":"謝謝我們主席莊昭偉我請我們次長還有運產中心的董事長 劉董事長可以嗎來 請上台"},{"start":3080.543,"end":3093.173,"text":"好 次長還是再次感謝我們在11月12號在本席的媒合下我們在運動科技人才的培育上針對原住民的部分還有一般選手擴大的培訓的部分"},{"start":3097.657,"end":3122.11,"text":"的實質溝通之後你們這邊的一個正面的也很支持性的一個回應本席這邊也很感謝你們把本席的這個建議納入在後續的整個規劃跟支持當中本席也非常的感佩這個建議是一個起點所以本席今天要談的是說不只是在運動科學這個面向而是我們希望把視角放得更高然後更遠"},{"start":3122.97,"end":3138.893,"text":"當然在去年的11月我們這個運動產業中心已經開始運作最重要的是要建立這一整個生態系讓整個台灣在運動產業的部分加進來之後我們整個不僅產值提高然後人才也有一些去處"},{"start":3139.834,"end":3160.131,"text":"所以在這個整個藍圖之中我還是滿關心原住民的這一塊是在一個什麼樣子的定位下過去我們知道原民在競技運動員的角色上扮演得非常好國際賽事也非常亮眼但是當然退役之後能夠順利銜接到運動產業體系的比例卻不高"},{"start":3161.451,"end":3177.182,"text":"在賽事的營運上還有運動的服務上跟產業管理還有基層教練甚至在運動行政上還有地方運動的發展都還是不太足所以本席認為這整個制度的設計沒有把原住民納入運動產業人才供給端的一個通盤的規劃"},{"start":3181.064,"end":3202.754,"text":"所以在過去產生這樣一個情形所以本席想要請教三個問題第一個是當運動部在推動運動產業發展中心跟相關人才培育政策時原住民是不是也可以像運動科學我們先前討論的這樣子把它納入運動產業人才很重要一個來源然後最重要的就是說在培訓實習還有產學合作上"},{"start":3203.234,"end":3221.568,"text":"跟職癌的銜接機制可不可以有更具體的原名的部分的一個參與跟設計第二個部分我們先前在11月12號的一個會議裡面運科人才你們這邊有承諾但是未來是不是不要只限於運科而是進一步擴大到運動產業需要的各個專業項目"},{"start":3223.79,"end":3248.584,"text":"比如說運產中心的人事規章可不可以參照比照運科人才的一個方式來處理例如像賽事場館的營運還有運動的服務跟地方產業發展的面向讓原住民不是只有選手的來源而是在整個生態系當中可以變成一個專業的參與者第三個部分是針對原鄉跟原住民地區的原住民族地區本身的一個運動產業的發展"},{"start":3250.825,"end":3279.925,"text":"運動部是不是有思考如果透過人才培育與制度的設計讓原住民能夠在地建立一些運動相關產業的服務而不是被迫離開家鄉才能進入到運動產業的體系本席這邊也可能提醒一下部裡面應該之前在教育部其實有一些法規的更改讓原鄉的運動人才流失得更快也就是這種挖角的機制讓我們原鄉的很多優秀的運動人才"},{"start":3280.425,"end":3296.461,"text":"那就流失了從原鄉流失但是在都會呢他可能還會碰到未來發展的一個問題所以然後等到可能我們沒有去注意到他可能就在這個都會的部落空間裡面或者是非部落空間他就變成流散了"},{"start":3297.021,"end":3320.708,"text":"又變成一個人才的一個虛耗跟浪費所以本席還蠻關注這一點本席未來可能要針對法規之前的一個調整而導致這樣的情形再跟你們做探討但是先是不是可以就本席在剛才的三個問題上請次長先做一個回應或者是董事長這邊如果有一些補充那也息聽"},{"start":3321.408,"end":3345.254,"text":"您的一些見解謝謝委員的指導我們對於原住民人才的產業人才的培養其實會跟運動科學這一類是類似的首先我們會先去定義出來到底產業人才的需求在哪裡也就是說我們可能會委請我們的產業中心把不同產業的能力指標也就是它的職能基準先列出來之後我們必須要回到大學端去"},{"start":3345.834,"end":3370.781,"text":"也是大學在那個地方做初步的人才培養然後我們會想辦法去媒合產學合作這件事情因為在學校訓練出來的人如果沒有經過一段時間的現場的這種訓練跟培養他是不太容易去跟市場做對接的因此產業中心的任務之一其實就是要做這種人才對接的一個任務因此他們會先把職能基準訂出來如果職能基準可以通過"},{"start":3372.301,"end":3392.192,"text":"勞動部的職能基準的檢查那是另外一個證照的考試這也是我們發展的方向所以在職能基準上面我們是一定要往那邊走的而在原住民這個地方的人才留在我們的原鄉裡面這其實是運動部一直以來在做的事情我們希望能夠去發展原鄉在運動上面的人力的需求"},{"start":3392.992,"end":3415.246,"text":"目前我們有在規劃去培養一些原鄉的原住民接受訓練然後回到原鄉去工作也是我們蠻期待的這一類受過我們訓練的人可以回到原鄉去進行運動指導健康促進也就是讓我們原鄉的發展因為有運動的元素而存在讓他們的民眾可以更健康"},{"start":3415.726,"end":3442.843,"text":"是 謝謝次長那這個在實務性的操作本席其實先前也一直很關心我們也談到說某一些這個培訓的這個據點能夠在這個本席因為來自花東啦所以在台東跟花蓮都是本席非常關注的那園鄉也在這個地方其實數量是特別多的那先前本席跟這個台東的立委那個黃建斌委員也有在談說是不是有一些專業的訓練中心可以設在這個台東花蓮"},{"start":3443.783,"end":3462.293,"text":"那剛才我又聽到王逸川委員這邊也有這樣一個想法所以我也呼應一下啦所以有一些項目那是不是您剛才說宜蘭有這個划船了嘛那花蓮或台東是不是因地制宜適合的項目或過去已經在歷史上有發展的一些項目可不可以在這個部分再多做一些考量"},{"start":3462.993,"end":3480.504,"text":"本席當然在全民運動的部分還有水域運動其實在花東也一直在推動但是就本席剛才所講的專業的訓練中心當然我們現在很多項目都是在左訓就是國訓中心是不是未來可以考量在花東甚至因為要有這樣的平台您剛才講的"},{"start":3481.685,"end":3497.117,"text":"這些項目才有可能成就這個是跟空間有直接的關係然後運動產業或許在這裡面可以透過不管是國際賽事或者是訓練中心跟國際間的連結比如說像現在我們知道在京津台東的京津那衝浪的"},{"start":3498.558,"end":3514.229,"text":"這個國際性賽事的原地沒有經過國家的一個推動但事實上它就自然形成那我們可以藉這個機會然後把這個產業中心跟訓練基地的平台給建置起來那另外還有本席很關心的風帆類不管你是在這個台東或者是"},{"start":3515.649,"end":3541.263,"text":"我們還是希望在台東因為我們有看過地形目前台東還是比較恰當的那花蓮如果有那當然也是那宜蘭本來就已經有一些設施了所以我們也希望說能夠透過這樣一個機會給予一個專業訓練中心的平台在花東然後另外產業中心可以透過跟國際間的連結直接嫁接那我想這應該是相得益彰本席這邊先做一個這樣比較實質的建議那也希望我們這個董事長"},{"start":3542.023,"end":3559.555,"text":"這邊也把它考量進去那我記得應該是鄭委員鄭天才委員他在這個有關於運動產業還有這個運動科學他應該都有一些附帶決議希望你們把原住民這個部分給直接考慮進去一定會執行 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次長好那麼今天因為主要是來討論就是有關於未來公務人員在體育類別的考科的做更動那麼剛剛慶祺委員比較關注的是有關於世界體育史跟運動社會學兩科就合併那麼我在這裡我想請教的就是說因為看到"},{"start":3908.842,"end":3930.227,"text":"運動部本來希望能夠將現在的運動自然科學的科目調整為運動科技學可是為什麼後來在考選部的你們可能是不是有召開什麼諮詢會議等等之類的然後最後變成還是沒有要做更動本期比較好奇的就是說當時為什麼"},{"start":3932.487,"end":3951.688,"text":"體育部會有這樣的想法希望把運動自然科學改成運動科技學但是最後在考選部這裡定調的時候又說又不改這原因是什麼公務員報告那我們考選部不是不改等一下我會再因為我們跟黃次長有討論過我先說第一個就是說因為更改科目需要一年"},{"start":3952.817,"end":3973.411,"text":"我們目前為止115那是來不及了所以如果要更改的話因為它必須要通過第一個要三科目 真科目然後命題大綱要重新訂然後跟著要過考試規則那也就是要在明年1月前完成所以基本上我們會在今年來啟動相關的一個討論流程"},{"start":3975.234,"end":3983.628,"text":"不過至於說是不是要這樣那我們一定還是尊重運動部這位意見那這邊是不是請黃執掌來做說明是"},{"start":3985.393,"end":4004.812,"text":"委員你好運動科技這個元素希望能夠放進來考科是因為在整個運動產業的發展當中接下來從現在開始其實科技的元素必須要有所以我們同仁們的建議才會是說應該要把運動科技的元素放進來至於要不要把它真正改成一個考科"},{"start":4005.232,"end":4018.309,"text":"這一件事情其實還有待還有一些空間去做調整但是最重要的一個元素是我們是希望能夠把科技的元素放到未來的考科裡面的一個項目裡面而不是一下子就把整個考科給改掉"},{"start":4019.02,"end":4037.25,"text":"好 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那這個議題也是很重要因為都涉及到人民的公帑而且看起來你們這個115年度的預算光是租用辦公室三層就要花1472萬"},{"start":4513.339,"end":4534.913,"text":"就像我说的如果说你们原来出租出去能够达到的租金的收入可以去cover你们现在的所要付的房租的话那或许还情有可原还可以体谅但是如果说你们自己连租给别人的租金都收不到都收不起然后还要花更多的钱去租其他的办公大楼"},{"start":4535.393,"end":4550.717,"text":"那我認為說運動部這個部分的話就要好好的去思考而且對於欠繳房租的協會一定要趕快積極的去吹繳 好吧好的好 那就這樣 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝洪小林召委接下來我們請王洪威委員來做宣達好 謝謝主席我請那個運動部次長王次長"},{"start":4567.435,"end":4593.193,"text":"委員你好好 市長先請教您就是2027年的世界盃籃球賽亞洲區的資格賽在今年陸續都會開打那這牽涉到就是我們會對上這個中華隊會對上中國隊那現在在3月份要確定本來應該是屬於我們主場的"},{"start":4593.973,"end":4612.881,"text":"因為通常主場就應該在我們的場地來打球現在在3月1號的中華隊對中國隊的賽事現在確定把它變成第三地到菲律賓這是確定了對不對是的"},{"start":4616.577,"end":4632.056,"text":"這個藍鞋表示說因為國際藍種回復說因為當前的地緣政治的背景的考量才決定以往第三地這個非常明顯是政治因素 對不對"},{"start":4633.223,"end":4656.792,"text":"看起來是好 這其實就是政治因素我個人非常反對政治來干預體育政治影響體育雖然在全球在兩岸常常政治都會干預到體育但是我個人是非常非常的反對那好 現在這個幾乎已經成為這個事實因為它是3月1號開打"},{"start":4658.593,"end":4686.382,"text":"但是另外一個就是中國隊以中國為主場的中國隊對上中華隊到目前地點還沒有確定我在這邊的建議和要求就是如果國際藍種因為所謂的地緣政治的關係把原來應該屬於在台灣主場的部分去移到第三地那麼就應該對等"},{"start":4688.14,"end":4710.507,"text":"那麼就應該對等那不要3月1號本來應該在我們這邊打球的把他移到菲律賓但是到了他就是好像7月6號7月6號他這個時間都定下來這個場地去移到中國去來打球的話那我們就絕對不能接受 是不是"},{"start":4711.187,"end":4732.987,"text":"我们一定会请篮球协会去函FIFA跟他说明清楚我们的立场既然要用这样的概念去换到第三地我们也希望在中国大陆比赛的场地也移到第三方的场地去办理这样才叫做互惠互等平等的一个对待的方式但是主办权是在FIFA的本身"},{"start":4734.031,"end":4761.409,"text":"是 沒有錯啦但是我覺得我這個部分我們要有嚴正的立場因為對我們很多球迷來講其實是已經很大的一個弱空而且基本上我是非常反對政治的這個因素去干擾到這個體育的賽事那所以既然要移到第三地那就通通都移到第三地不能夠厚此薄彼是的不然的話對我們的中華隊非常非常的不公平"},{"start":4761.829,"end":4787.511,"text":"我們一定會讓我們的對口我們的窗口一定要表達這個立場到國際籃球總會去好 這個我覺得這是一定要非常非常確定的那另外請教次長一件事情最近還有一個議題是比較熱烈討論的就是有關於體育班體育班要不要廢除的問題那這個其實討論的很多那麼包含這個"},{"start":4790.107,"end":4794.87,"text":"這個體育班過去張亮萬堅也曾經有講過說有研議有研議是先廢除國小的體育班所以我想請教一下次長以目前來說運動部成立我們對於體育班的存廢我們的目前的看法是什麼方向是什麼"},{"start":4816.46,"end":4828.311,"text":"是不是先是階段性廢除還是說先有研議廢除國小的體育班先保留包含中學的體育班現在是不是我們的方向是什麼"},{"start":4829.076,"end":4850.968,"text":"我們的方向其實是要經過一段時間去做轉型特別是國小體育班的部分它是透過轉型的方式而不是直接要把它廢掉尤其在短時間之內如果要把體育班廢掉會有另外一群人受到立刻的影響特別是從小孩子這個地方到教練就業這個地方都會有非常大的影響大概主要是基層教練的部分是的"},{"start":4851.388,"end":4880.615,"text":"不過我個人會認為教育教育它應該最基本的核心是誰學生我覺得我們在討論這個研議要不要存廢或者是轉型的考量裡面沒有錯 我想基層教練一定會擔心如果國小體育班廢除了那基層教練何去何從呢你要不要幫他轉型等等之類那應該要去做考量"},{"start":4881.095,"end":4903.849,"text":"但是這個核心應該仍然是學生的發展所以我覺得在我們整個的研議的過程裡面我還是會希望能夠以學生為主當然基層教練也要比如說你可以是循序漸進的方式先轉型 後備處都可以所以我們現在有在啟動這樣的一個研議方向"},{"start":4904.189,"end":4931.951,"text":"目前運動部跟教育部正密集的討論體育班未來要走的方向因為目前體育班的本身的業務是在教育部裡面所以我們是搭配著他們整個推動的進程持續的跟他們做溝通我們一定會關心到小孩子的發展事實上我個人認為小孩子尤其是小學生的體育班他應該是以發展個人的能力而不是以競賽為主的一種概念所以就是為什麼在比較詬病的地方"},{"start":4932.711,"end":4936.454,"text":"好 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在公務人員當中他必須要有一定的行政能力他對於行政法規 行政法這件事情他必須要有所理解同樣的道理在自然科學類也是一樣的"},{"start":5355.902,"end":5373.012,"text":"我們不會需要他知道去如何計算最大攝氧量但是對於運動科學包含科技的元素在他的認知當中在未來推動體育行政的過程裡面他需要有這樣子的素養所以在未來推動政策上面才會跟社會的期待可以吻合"},{"start":5373.652,"end":5399.815,"text":"你剛剛講我完全認同 次長我完全認同我們來看下一張可是我要提醒你們不要忘記了目前所有相關的體育弊案或者是相關的輿情討論其實有好一些你們都沒有兼顧到包含兒少 包含性平 包含運動員權益所以為什麼我剛剛願意讓你把素養講完就是我在看到目前的考科設計當然就考科設計不見得可以看到這些可能還要看到考題的設計"},{"start":5400.876,"end":5408.581,"text":"可是我的意思是說就您剛剛的回應我的答案說是素養然後你談到運動科學談到運動行政這些我都認同可是兒少忽略了性平忽略了運動員權益忽略了所以我也要拜託你們持續再帶回去討論因為這些議題絕對會是你們運動部的重中之重"},{"start":5422.27,"end":5444.658,"text":"相關兒少議題 性平議題 運動員權益您來自運動產業界 您一定知道過去所有 包含王宏偉遠剛問到體育班的事情他就是兒少的議題 他就是性平的議題然後孩子們由小到大在體育班面對就是運動員權益的問題所以你不要告訴我這個不含在你們的素養裡頭所以我就時間有限 我就積極的建議我希望你們兩個月內提供相關評估報告"},{"start":5446.458,"end":5473.91,"text":"給教文還有司法法制的委員在兒少性平運動員權益還有您剛剛所說的素養 運動科學相關你們的規劃給一個報告給所有的委員好嗎有辦法嗎我要運動部這邊運動部我要請運動部先回答可以三個月嗎因為這個東西因為素養的這件事情在考題設計上它有它的一個困難度因為你們運動部要先有態度考選部才能follow對不對好 三個月是嗎那考選部這邊呢"},{"start":5474.884,"end":5499.19,"text":"是不是容我們就是共同來我們會有一個工作小組來討論好不好好 我們就三個月 沒問題再來 謝謝那考選部請回接下來請運動部繼續留步我們來談一下運動產業中心為什麼要把這個題目拉出來說我不知道次長你有沒有參加過運動相關諮詢的委員會議在第六次運動部諮詢小組會議的記錄裡面有一段話很棒"},{"start":5499.85,"end":5521.303,"text":"有一個參與的委員他說國家運動產業中心目前的組織還有任務設計都不是李洋部長的規劃建議部長可以參考韓國跟日本的行政法人經驗例如國外將法人業務包含運動博物館運動誠信防堵的做法"},{"start":5521.823,"end":5546.539,"text":"透過組織 透過任務的調整可以讓行政法人的業務不要直線於運動產業讓法人作為運動部在業務推動上的夥伴非常重要當時鄭麗君副院長也表示認同她甚至還說了國家運動產業發展中心是行政法人而不是運動部的附屬機關"},{"start":5547.78,"end":5575.775,"text":"如果我們對於國家運動產業中心有這個法人高度的想像甚至認為他不應該附屬於運動部那我們來看實際做法可以有什麼來下一張目前運動產業中心相關的規劃因為之前是體育署全權主導到了運動部之後我們看到所有諮詢小組委員在歷次會議上提出的建議一項都沒有被運動部參裁"},{"start":5576.815,"end":5596.614,"text":"一項都沒有喔連鄭麗君副院長說的話也沒有被參採那既然是全新的運動部有了新的部長相關的組織跟編制也都是新的我必須要說我們如何參考國外的經驗然後把現在所有諮詢委員的建議都放進來做一個法人專業執行的規劃的空間"},{"start":5599.597,"end":5619.599,"text":"目前我們看到相關法人你們編制是100人運動部本部是400位其實就這個比例上我也還蠻想知道你們如何想像一 他不要是下屬關係二 產業中心他的法人專業角色可以協助運動部變成很重要的夥伴你們如何想像這個可能性"},{"start":5620.16,"end":5629.069,"text":"我們其實現在在法人的工作上面就是依據設置條例上面的那幾項八大任務去執行他們的沒錯 沒錯就是你剛剛講的這八大任務完全沒有參採好幾次諮詢小組裡面各個專業委員給的建議更不要說這些專業委員是來自於"},{"start":5639.439,"end":5657.176,"text":"有行政院的請託然後有所有專家學者的推薦然後大家不斷的在諮詢會議上把過往對於運動改革的想像全部都交給你們了但是我覺得就算百分之一也好十分之一也好目前看到的是零所以就是你剛剛說的那個沒錯是零"},{"start":5658.337,"end":5676.48,"text":"好 繼續不會是0 因為其實鄭副院長在那一次因為最後我只參加那一次前面的諮詢會議我當時並沒有參與在這個過程當中我清楚的知道鄭副院長的交代我們也一再的跟我們三個法人說法人絕對不是部的附屬機關"},{"start":5677.421,"end":5699.918,"text":"你們有你們獨立行使你們職權尤其是搭配著國家的政策方向去執行內涵在政策上面的內涵由他們去執行這一塊我們期待我們的中心能夠有更獨立自主的一個運作方式他們先在他們的董事會去擬定出來他們的策略方向之後會直接的去進行他們絕對不是我們附屬的一個機關"},{"start":5700.938,"end":5723.691,"text":"謝謝次長說的這麼清楚你剛已經公開說你們絕對不會讓這個法人變成你們的附屬機關所以未來在預算在資源上拜託運動部要支持這個法人發展他的專業讓他成為運動部非常重要的協同夥伴這個部分我們會再觀察所以我這邊提出來的是相關的評估報告可不可以再兩個月給我們這個我們會再跟你們討論可以嗎請你們同仁帶回去三個月"},{"start":5728.433,"end":5749.569,"text":"我看你面有難色 三個圍再來 下一個很荒謬耶 這個藍鞋啊三次都留會 整年都留會現任的理事長叫做謝典寧可以不用來開會喔說議會有事 出國請假三次都留會你們運動部可以接受喔不能接受"},{"start":5750.257,"end":5772.7,"text":"對 太好了 不能接受我們該怎麼辦因為它畢竟還是一個民間的團體可是它拿你們運動部很多錢我知道 第一件事情我們一定會發函到事實上這個禮拜就會發函出去這禮拜什麼時候要發函應該盡快吧因為我的理解是這樣子的它會趕快發函到籃球協會記那你們發函的內容會是什麼我們要促請理事會要有所作為"},{"start":5773.12,"end":5788.017,"text":"有所作為的意思是必須要面對這件事情沒有辦法召開會員大會他必須要透過理事會的決定未來即便理事長不來他都可以繼續召開說得太好了"},{"start":5788.337,"end":5806.712,"text":"即便理事長刻意不來缺席都還是要召開為什麼要召開很重要相關年度工作計劃收支預算員工待遇表這些都需要會員大會來決議還要報主管機關被查更不要講他們今年3月就要改選了對不對"},{"start":5807.853,"end":5824.382,"text":"那在改選之前理事長可以這樣放爛擺爛嗎然後運動部沒有作為我覺得我今天聽到你說你們這個禮拜會發函那我給你一個法理上的建議你聽聽看是不是適當根據來下一張之前吳佩奕委員在教文也有問過還有人頭會員的問題攔協被傳出相關的傳聞已久"},{"start":5829.725,"end":5843.338,"text":"那一樣沒有看到運動部的角色如果按照你們手上有的法理工具叫做國體法第43條對嘛43條是什麼你很清楚對不對進行停職補助或人員懲處那人員懲處會是誰會懲處誰理事長謝典齡"},{"start":5849.364,"end":5870.221,"text":"我就請相關的籃協必須要積極的面對理事長也要必須積極的面對國人除了棒球之外籃球應該是收看率第二高所以我認為站在國人的期待的角度對於運動部的期待也好對於籃協的角度的期待也好對於這個理事長現任的理事長謝典穎的期待也好都不應該是這個樣子"},{"start":5871.622,"end":5897.741,"text":"所以我想如果你們就國體法43條已經非常熟悉了你們有應該要用這個法理工具去處理藍協現在的問題我想在輔導人民團體之前一定要先由他們內部的治理先開始因此我剛剛才會說他現在就不治理啊來再回到前一張他三次都留會啦我們會要求理事會先做處理如果理事會還是沒有辦法處理的話我們不排除動用國體法第43條來來來 次長我們算一下時間我們很務實的說來"},{"start":5900.882,"end":5921.496,"text":"他現在三次流會對不對我們今天開會現在是1月5號馬上你們發公文好了假設這禮拜發我們來算一下這禮拜發然後他說他下禮拜收到1月的第二週然後他什麼時候要回應你他什麼時候應該要開相關的會議你們有沒有盤算我們目前是希望給他10天的時間請理事會給我們回應"},{"start":5923.038,"end":5937.852,"text":"10天請理事會收到文之後等一下收到完之後整個算完可能到1月底了啦然後他有沒有召開會議還未知對吧未知喔然後轉眼2月中就要過年了所以在過年前2月1號到2月中過年這段時間你認為你可以期待他們會召開相關會議嗎你們會要求嗎你們會具體要求嗎"},{"start":5945.339,"end":5958.249,"text":"我們會具體要求理事會做適當的處置因為畢竟他們是會內的事情適當的處置是什麼就是假設理事長不來一樣可以召開好 就是這句話理事長不來一樣要召開相關會議為什麼 因為三月要改選了是的次長拜託 三月要改選如果我們相關改選又讓他沒有辦法完成順利改選我們如何向國人交代然後我們就放任藍協理事會在謝典齡這樣的操控底下"},{"start":5972.14,"end":5991.052,"text":"完全沒有角色非常的可怕所以要拜託次長你剛剛的態度非常清楚我非常謝謝你的態度正向面對就是會一發文要求來寫要積極面對就算理事長不出席他們一樣要召開會議相關的員工待遇啦年度計畫啦工作報告甚至如何去處理三月的改選對不對是的"},{"start":5991.892,"end":6009.492,"text":"好 謝謝我們就期待後續的狀況再來最後一個關於禁藥測驗榜賽事報名這件事情我想你們都知道相關問題我就不再贅述可是因為這個問題真的很大它牽扯到所有要因著體育賽事而升學的孩子們從小到大"},{"start":6010.433,"end":6027.648,"text":"各式各樣的這個狀況那可是你們運動部在過去體育署一年有3000萬委託禁藥基金會做相關的測驗而這個基金會又委託給民間單位結果這個系統出包沒有辦法做禁藥測驗結果相關的賽事就說那不用測驗可以來報名"},{"start":6029.549,"end":6049.366,"text":"這個非常荒謬可是禁藥它只要靠測驗就好了嗎它明明回到教育系統裡面它要去談可是我知道你們之前因為回應立法院很多委員對於禁藥的關心所以你們做這個測驗的平台但是它沒有往下教育的扎根它又出現平台的困境結果又限制了很多學生的報名狀況讓很多的選手非常的焦慮我要提醒您"},{"start":6053.169,"end":6069.55,"text":"所有的學生聯賽全中運 全大運 全民運 全育會甚至是身心障礙的運動會都跟這個禁藥測驗有關那現在你們未來打算怎麼辦我們不排除因為事實上我在上個禮拜才知道這件事情上禮拜你才知道上禮拜才知道"},{"start":6069.77,"end":6092.472,"text":"我們很多學生跟我們澄清他們因為這個賽事綁住靜耀測驗我理解因為平常這個業館不是我在負責的是 您辛苦了但是上禮拜我看到的這個業務我其實不排除我還沒有跟我們運科中心的執行長講因為現階段是那一個廠商他十字大開口他用一個很簡單的東西要求靜耀經紀人跟他用非常高的金額因為要把他綁死而且他要求"},{"start":6093.032,"end":6114.912,"text":"未來只能跟他繼續預約這完全不符合政府採購法的規範因此我們有在思考是不是要請我們運科中心的科技處幫助我們去開發相對不是那麼困難的軟體這件事情我們會來就後續的處理只是短暫時間之內因為不要去影響到學生的參賽的資格所以短暫時間之內我們沒有強制的要求"},{"start":6118.855,"end":6140.855,"text":"必須要提出上課的教育證明才可以報名這個是一個非常臨時的做法因為不可能因為沒有授課的證明而不讓選手報名對整個他們未來的參賽資格跟可能的升學受到太大太大的影響因此短時間的權宜知識是先不要要求他們但是"},{"start":6141.596,"end":6159.845,"text":"教育的這件事情會持續的要求繼續做下去同一個時間我們的ADEL就是我們的Antidoping Education Learning System這件事情已經被WADA認可其實我們可以透過WADA本身的ADEL這個系統直接透過那個系統讓我們的學生去上課因為那個也是中文的系統"},{"start":6160.325,"end":6176.762,"text":"我跟你說WADA這個系統可能也會造成另外一個問題我們本來想要解決問題A就會製造問題B我認為有幾個建議你們聽聽看一回歸教育本質非常重要不要只是測驗我再說一次回歸教育本質不要只是測驗二測驗到底要不要綁著比賽這是第二件事情"},{"start":6177.142,"end":6202.02,"text":"再來有沒有相關行政法人的國家運動禁藥管制機構因為這件事情如同你剛剛說的他必須要跟國際接軌所有我們學生這些對於禁藥的認知相關資訊的保留都會影響到他日後參與國際賽事也代表台灣的體育產業對這件事情是有態度的我們的運動主管機關對於禁藥的管理是有想法的必須跟國際接軌所以我想相關的研議我們辦公室後續會再跟運動部討論好 謝謝謝謝主席"},{"start":6205.063,"end":6211.55,"text":"好 謝謝陳培宇委員問的人很尖銳回答人也很專業市長不錯接下來我們請省發會委員來做詢答"},{"start":6229.751,"end":6252.31,"text":"主席 先請考選部請考選部 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