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比例原則這四條是所有公務人員應遵守的法則所以當我們看到這次總預算送來的時候三讀通過後的法案居然沒有編列預算"},{"start":2955.1,"end":2970.231,"text":"那我們剛剛又聽到說可能要加國民年金可能要加一堆東西但是最重要的如果我們真的要增加我們的國防實力將近400億的軍人加薪應該要編進去"},{"start":2972.335,"end":3000.187,"text":"今天早上發生一個在基隆發生一個旱事我們有一位消防員為了救災因此不幸喪命那就更表示說我們警消人士特別條例也就是他們的退休金應該要送到眾市那這兩個三讀通過的法案行政院不願意編綠算嚴格講起來這就是非法的總預算這就是違法的總預算那今天"},{"start":3001.516,"end":3020.367,"text":"再也用預算法第54條來去先行動之這些民生預算是完全的合法 合理 必要也符合比例原則這些民生的事情我們不應該等所以今天我們特地把這些預算拿出來審"},{"start":3021.508,"end":3042.334,"text":"不是為了外界或一些輿論在講的有什麼政治上的攻防而是單純的苦民所苦可憐天下苦人多也請行政院盡快合法編列預算送進立法院來苦民所苦可憐天下苦人多 謝謝蘇英權委員要不要發言 OK 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第二項故宮博物院"},{"start":3208.92,"end":3225.108,"text":"智慧政府數位化經濟發展計畫打造AI智慧博物館共購數位含農生態計畫0.18億元我們請故宮博物院來表示是否贊成立法院先於同意動之"},{"start":3234.922,"end":3245.231,"text":"跟主席跟大會報告故宮所有的預算都很重要所以115年的話故宮的預算的話29.66億元那這一次新興計畫是0.18"},{"start":3252.833,"end":3273.204,"text":"1700多萬佔比例0.06但是故宮更重要的是我們除了新興計劃之外的話我跟故宮這邊代表提醒一下今天我們省的就是AI智慧博物館的0.18億元如果故宮有其他的意見請你另外再提案過來"},{"start":3274.204,"end":3302.524,"text":"我今天问的只有请问0.18亿元这个新增计划新兴资本支出你们是不是赞成立法院同意先于动之这个部分的话当然跟我们其他的部分包括第二展馆新开幕的展场人力消防机组MEHO系统 泰泛这些增加的部分其实我第三度请教您针对这0.18亿元故宫博物院是否支持同意动之"},{"start":3303.164,"end":3327.988,"text":"我們希望說這個新增的部分的話包括我們的年度增加的部分我第四度問您針對這個AI智慧博物館的生態計畫0.18億元故宮是否同意動資我們當然很希望說可以動資但是其他的部分希望 感謝您謝謝您的同意 請回座來想請教一下我們的國民黨團跟民眾黨團是否同意動資"},{"start":3332.466,"end":3349.779,"text":"同意 同意先動之那很遺憾故宮博物院也認為這個計畫應該要同意動之但是身為執政黨的民進黨目前是缺席狀態所以這個計畫我們會送到院會來保留處理"},{"start":3350.799,"end":3366.229,"text":"再來中選會及其所屬連江縣選舉委員會辦公廳社取得案0.18億元請中選會說明針對本項計畫是否支持立法院我們先與同意動之"},{"start":3369.794,"end":3393.689,"text":"跟大會報告這個是連江縣政府他這個辦公廳需要改建那我們這一個連江縣選委會那跟這一棟大樓要新蓋的這個分擔款所以支持嘛 對不對同意先動之嘛我們大概所有我們縣委會因為今天要選舉我只問你現在今天這個0.18億是不是同意是不是同意嘛"},{"start":3395.882,"end":3412.07,"text":"是當然啦 那你們耽誤的預算感謝中選會來 請教一下國民黨團跟民眾黨團是否同意立法院針對連江縣選委會的辦公廳設的018議員先同意動之同意先動之好 一樣"},{"start":3413.496,"end":3433.582,"text":"中選會所屬的這個0.18億的連江縣選委會辦公廳社中選會認為支持立法院來同意動之那沒辦法執政的我們的民進黨的黨團代表缺席所以本案保留由院會處理我們再請何安會及其所屬"},{"start":3435.294,"end":3451.919,"text":"國家藥物韌性整備計畫強化國家合一關鍵藥物供應韌性及應用備援3.3億元請何安會說明是否支持立法院針對本項新興資本支出跟新增計畫先同意動直前項新興計畫佔本會整體預算"},{"start":3469.065,"end":3497.397,"text":"全项新兴计划占本会整体预算仅8%本会上编列有延续性计划办理各项重要业务如核安服务管制业务以及核安服务管制技术及环境侦测业务等研究发展技术经济原子能科技与太空半导体等科技环境建构等各项预算计划间息息相关任请大院尽数审查让"},{"start":3498.417,"end":3511.362,"text":"本預算能夠完整的被討論 謝謝第二次詢問何安會請問你是否支持立法院針對強化國家核關鍵藥物供應韌性應用備援計畫3.3億元我們是希望能夠審查預算"},{"start":3515.743,"end":3535.479,"text":"第三次 所以你不同意動資我現在審查預算你告訴我你同不同意動資當然這個是重要計畫但是我希望能夠審查預算原來何安會自己反對自己的同意動資案好 謝謝您 沒關係我想請教我們的國民黨跟民眾黨黨團是否同意動資本項預算"},{"start":3537.107,"end":3562.465,"text":"同意 同意 同意 先動之但是我這邊有一個意見就是我們一些核子醫學掃描要用的藥劑譬如像SALIM SCAN或者是我們SALIM-201-TC99等等常常都會缺藥希望我們核安會跟衛福食藥署要加強管理加強這一塊 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請不好意思其實今天這個會議我必須跟大家進行一個報告可能有一些列席的行政官員對立法院裡面的程序不是很熟悉所以可能在討論的時候不知道討論的標的到底是什麼所以我想特別的再跟大家進行一個報告"},{"start":3645.666,"end":3658.11,"text":"今天我會跟羅志強委員坐在這邊共同針對有關於院會的提案院總製第21號委員提案第11018721號我們坐在這邊協商"},{"start":3665.39,"end":3687.776,"text":"不是我們兩個自己召開的這個是經由院會的決議交付由中國國民黨黨團及台灣民眾黨黨團共同主持的這場協商而這場協商審查的標的就是我們現在手上所有的附件而不及於其他"},{"start":3688.908,"end":3709.353,"text":"也就是我們今天坐在這邊協商能夠協商的標的就限於副表中在院會裡面所提出來討論所列出來准與先行動之的新興計畫而不包括其他的項目我想這樣子說明應該算是蠻明確的"},{"start":3712.464,"end":3741.149,"text":"至於說各個部會針對你們在115年中央政府總預算裡面到底有多少錢有哪些是法律義務的支出依照預算法的規定在預算審查完以前就可以先行動之有哪些是延續本來的計畫也可以按照上一個年度"},{"start":3742.136,"end":3765.49,"text":"支出的金額来何时动之在预算法54条有各个项目有各个项目那各个部会要在各个部会召开记者会或者是行政院院长卓龙泰要率各个部会召开记者会清楚透明的跟全国人民说明"},{"start":3766.957,"end":3783.29,"text":"我們整體的預算有哪些是法律義務支出有哪些是原來的計劃本來就可以依照上個年度所支出的金額核實動資要做成完整的圖表跟國人說明都沒有問題"},{"start":3784.724,"end":3810.192,"text":"但是我們今天坐在這邊進行協商的標的請容許我再提醒一次就限於院會所交付給我們由中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨我們針對新興計畫副表當中所列的事項我們提案准與先行動之的項目"},{"start":3811.312,"end":3833.792,"text":"再拜託各個部會的代表就針對這一次會議所限定議案的內容來表示意見因為你針對議案其他以外的標的來表示意見在這個協商會議上面不管是我還是羅志強委員我們都沒有辦法處理"},{"start":3834.853,"end":3854.319,"text":"為什麼沒有辦法處理這已經逾越了院會交付我們兩個今天坐在這邊所協商標的範圍內容就這個部分非常懇切的跟各個行政機關的代表做以上的說明所以針對等一下"},{"start":3855.419,"end":3875.904,"text":"郭志強委員所垂詢各個標的如果說針對這個新興計畫站在行政部門的立場認為沒有急迫性不需要先行動之等到預算整體審查完畢以後再來處理也可以就表達這樣子的立場以後"},{"start":3876.744,"end":3900.712,"text":"那這樣子本院 其他的委員我們在院會進行最後處理的時候能夠清楚的了解行政機關針對這個特定的新興計畫所抱持的立場到底是什麼那作為我們接下來在院會處理的依據我想以上針對這一次協商會議我們所在協商的標的"},{"start":3901.832,"end":3918.06,"text":"跟協商的範圍我再做一下補充說明讓接下來的會議能夠比較流暢的來加以進行 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先於動之內政部"},{"start":4085.013,"end":4101.73,"text":"我再一次報告本部今年預算總共一億四千零三一億四千零三點三二億你如果要重複就不需要你剛剛已經講過了而且對於民生都有非常重要的關聯性非常謝謝內政部長所有的預算彼此都是關聯的我們的新興計劃跟舊有計劃我第三次問你"},{"start":4102.691,"end":4110.714,"text":"第三次請教第三次請教所以你反對所以你反對所以你反對抽出來先與同意動之所以你反對抽出來先與同意動之所以你反對先抽出來同意動之我第五次問你所以你反對抽出來先與同意動之好 謝謝你到現在為止"},{"start":4131.755,"end":4152.771,"text":"你也沒贊成嘛 就這麼簡單嘛整個行政團隊你今天不針對今天我們的項目當中來進行討論我知道你們有龐大的來自於民進黨的壓力但是抱歉 立法院是立法院請你遵守立法院的議事安排"},{"start":4154.389,"end":4182.12,"text":"自己部會的主管機關的預算不敢捍衛連要同意動資都說不出口我可以感受到你們的壓力有多大但是今天的會議議程就是這38項的新興資本跟新增計劃如果有別的意見歡迎你主動提案內政部到現在你也沒主動提案我們請張啟凱委員表示意見"},{"start":4182.796,"end":4189.52,"text":"今天來的各部會首長是不是被民進黨剛那個說今天只有要省2%解凍2%誤導了我問內政部你的人事費有受到影響嗎你延續性的費用有受到影響嗎請內政部回答你的人事費有受到影響嗎你領不到薪水嗎"},{"start":4208.598,"end":4226.726,"text":"各個部會你們因為現在預算還沒付為沒有審你們任何人沒有領到薪水嗎你們真的只有像民進黨講的只有2%嗎98%都沒有審嗎沒有放行嗎依照預算法清清楚楚"},{"start":4228.803,"end":4254.576,"text":"各個部會只要是原有的法定義務支出或者是延續性的全部都可以用所以不是民進黨剛造謠只有2%絕大部分的預算都是可以用的第二個剩下的是新興的這個計畫今天我們38項有700多億那你如果有意見有兩個方式啊你部會跟行政院你趕快提啊是不是"},{"start":4255.885,"end":4278.904,"text":"你也可以透過民進黨立院黨團你有真的關心民眾你有看到繞跑的民進黨提出來除了民眾黨跟國民黨提的新興計畫他們有提振了一下嗎他們不只要黨TPAS這些718億他們也沒有提新興的喔所以我請發言就針對國長剛剛講的本來法定義務支出就是可以用的"},{"start":4280.421,"end":4307.663,"text":"你如果是新進計畫你真的除了民眾黨跟國民黨之外今天你先表達你到底支持不支持對不對請針對議程遵守立法院的議事規則好不好那如果你對這個之外38項之外 你要有意見你趕快回去請行政院或者透過立院黨團趕快提出來要不然的話這樣會一直開下去結果你們講的都是不對的東西不只落跑了民進黨黨團講的2%是錯的你們還依附在2%上面在講"},{"start":4312.771,"end":4323.719,"text":"請針對今天付表上面的38項你有任何問題不是在38項以外的新興計畫你們自己回去真的照顧民眾趕快去提出來送到立盤來審 謝謝請內政部回答剛剛我們的張祺凱委員已經問了請問人事費有受到影響嗎"},{"start":4336.474,"end":4362.121,"text":"關經費包括業務執行我們都期待大院趕快審查我們才會知道完整的數字如何審查如何進行動資真是欣賞又佩服問A答B答不出來你剛講的都是法定義務支出一毛錢都沒有影響你還是要領薪水法定義務支出全部都要用你唯一今天有受到就是新興計畫我們不知道動資的項目是否合法合理有些項目被刪除了之後我們可能就沒有辦法動資所以要懇請貴院儘速趕快審理 審查"},{"start":4364.71,"end":4380.41,"text":"依照預算法的規定就是你現在可以用嘛那你如果真的有除了今天你要表達意見你知不知恥的這38項之外你有另外的信心你就趕快提出來嘛其他都不是問題不要被民進黨那個2%誤導了好不好請回去看預算法 謝謝"},{"start":4383.927,"end":4394.195,"text":"針對內政部主管的這四項這個新增計畫內政部並不會表示是否同意那我想請問一下民眾黨團跟國民黨團的意見是否同意動之那一樣民進黨針對這四項預算選擇缺席那我們就保留院會處理"},{"start":4404.66,"end":4432.074,"text":"國防部主管各類保險生育給付補足至每胎10萬元0.4億元請國防部說明是否支持先於動資這部分的計劃向委員報告國防部的115年度預算扣除相關的人員維持以外這次受影響的新增計劃及新增額度共780億"},{"start":4435.848,"end":4442.593,"text":"這次討論的標的只有4000萬佔這780億的0.05%我們希望所有的都能夠賦為審查國防部一樣沒有表示意見來 請教國民黨跟民眾黨團是否同意市長 你說你的780億你們真的關心嗎"},{"start":4460.519,"end":4477.741,"text":"為什麼沒有看到你們或者是行政院提出來要趕快像我們這麼關心人民我們現在已經提案了已經進到草野協商了為什麼沒有看到行政院提出來這780億報告委員780億跟所有的預算都已經呈送大院希望附會審查"},{"start":4479.281,"end":4497.238,"text":"解決方案嘛一個就像去年一樣嘛你回去跟行政院長講用去年的方式白紙黑字把他違法編列擺爛的金人你還是國防部金人加薪每個月三萬塊去幫他們爭取讓他合法讓警消人類所得替代力提高依照立法案三讀通過的"},{"start":4498.539,"end":4522.946,"text":"不就是達到你說的嗎 為什麼不做這個第二個 我剛剛講 你資本不足不用去年成功的個案那你至少用跟在野黨講的是一樣的嘛你如果關心人民 關心國防部780億 你趕快回去跟行政院講你提一個追加預算來或者是要求像我們的在野黨做的今天就趕快把它提出來 謝謝不要跪在嘴巴啦 趕快有行動啦這邊做一點補充說明"},{"start":4527.433,"end":4547.351,"text":"總預算案的提出因為行政院不編軍人加薪不編警消退休保障這些預算不予編列所以目前總預算的審查因為有非法預算審查的爭議存在但是即便國防部講的這些所有的新增計畫"},{"start":4548.973,"end":4573.712,"text":"他如果裡面有特別重大急迫他要抽出來在預算未審訊前要同意動之的話他仍然要有一個特別的行動特別的提案就是提案告訴我說哪些計畫你覺得應該要優先來同意動之"},{"start":4575.211,"end":4597.237,"text":"這跟你送出總預算非法的總預算目前沒有審查是兩件事情所以今天為什麼國民黨跟民眾黨我們今天審的這個所謂的預算的項目講的重點就是我們認為裡面有38項是有重大急迫的要來處理如果各部會覺得裡面還有其他重大急迫"},{"start":4598.237,"end":4609.366,"text":"各部會也可以另外提案到立法院說明重大急迫然後告訴大家這個部分希望能夠先予同意動之所以這個部分我先要說明一下"},{"start":4610.236,"end":4628.936,"text":"那一樣這個國防部沒有表示意見那民進黨現在代表沒有在所以全案保留我們送院會處理來財政部主管小型X光檢驗儀太購第二期計畫1.53億元請問是否支持立法院先針對這本項計畫同意動之"},{"start":4631.246,"end":4648.251,"text":"主席 各位委員財政部報告本部今年度的預算一共是1689.636億元今天討論涉及到本部的部分只有1.53億元是佔了本部總體預算的0.09%"},{"start":4650.492,"end":4675.89,"text":"那這個比例真的是非常的低那麼本部的業務非常的龐雜而且各項業務都是息息相關而且還有很多的吸金計畫跟其他的超過就是115年度的預算編列數這比上一年度增加的這一部分那麼都不能夠在沒有審查通過之前都不能動用所以我們是希望"},{"start":4676.93,"end":4693.301,"text":"能夠將中央政府的總預算能夠儘速排入審查讓本部的預算能夠完整的被討論以上 謝謝來 你交給我好不好OK 好那個 我其實剛剛已經算是滿詳細的說明了今天開會我們討論的標的跟討論的範圍不過儘管做了這樣子的說明"},{"start":4704.858,"end":4719.054,"text":"好像包括連財政部的代表都沒有辦法聽得懂我跟羅志強委員坐在這邊是因為院會交付我們針對院會所收到的提案"},{"start":4720.154,"end":4747.682,"text":"也就是今天在討論副表的這一些新興計畫要不要准以先行動之這件事情來進行協商而不包括其他這件事情應該沒有這麼難理解所以我再次懇請等一下是不是針對這一次協商的標的到底同意或者是不同意還是覺得不重要"},{"start":4748.695,"end":4758.187,"text":"不緊急就表達行政機關的立場那這樣子的話才可以讓協商的會議順利的進行下去那否則的話"},{"start":4759.574,"end":4786.312,"text":"你如果發言超過了這次協商要審查標的範圍之外我跟羅志強委員也沒有任何的權限可以在這個協商會議上面進行任何的處理因為現在坐在這邊協商就是在處理院會所交付我們協商的事項就限於在付表上面的這些新興計畫我相信這件事情應該"},{"start":4787.853,"end":4815.049,"text":"沒有這麼困難來加以理解那財政部竟然由次長站起來針對不是在這一次協商標的範圍之內的事情洋洋灑灑講了這麼多那我就順便請教一下財政部的代表剛剛您說今年中央政府總預算財政部的部分編列的是1638億是嗎"},{"start":4822.017,"end":4843.066,"text":"1689億1689億那請問在這1689億屬於法定義務收支的有多少錢屬於法定義務支出這部分那當然那就是可以用的我們今天談的不好意思請你針對問題回答你要講數字我現在就跟你講數字嘛請你翻開預算法第54條"},{"start":4845.856,"end":4872.411,"text":"屬於第三款履行其他法定義務收支的有多少錢法定義務支出當然是一千三百多億了一千三百多億 好所以我們現在請財政部尊重主席這邊的會議主持好嗎因為你要談數字我就跟你談數字嘛把數字談清楚嘛財政部對於數字應該最敏銳最精準嘛"},{"start":4873.496,"end":4882.162,"text":"在你剛剛所講的1689億裡面依照預算法履行其他法定義務收支的你說有1300多少億"},{"start":4885.149,"end":4911.897,"text":"1379億然後1379億所以現在就獲得澄清了嘛我光用這一款來看就不是2%嘛1689億裡面履行其他法定義務收支的依照預算法的規定你們本來就可以先去動用的有1379億啊幫忙委員但是我們的新興計畫第二個部分第二個部分沒關係啦我們一樣一樣來嘛"},{"start":4913.888,"end":4938.484,"text":"不要噴水摸魚 不要問A答B既然要透過這樣子的方式我們就讓全民很清楚的知道你到底有多少錢可以用要不要按照你們剛剛那樣的說明會讓台灣的民眾產生誤解財政部有1689億結果立法院的新興計畫只准他先動之1.53億這樣子的說明就是在誤導社會大眾"},{"start":4943.615,"end":4949.318,"text":"你要勇敢的跟大家講嘛第一個1689億不好意思我話還沒講完請你不要插嘴財政部編來的1689億裡面法定義務支出有1379億非常的好第二個本來以獲得授權的原定計劃有多少錢"},{"start":4969.877,"end":4985.162,"text":"來 你看預算法好不好如果次長預算法不守那個議事人員是不是拿法規給次長跟委員報告 我們就是新興計畫對不起啊 我現在在問你依照原來獲得授權的原定計畫有多少錢原定計畫是8000"},{"start":4993.036,"end":4996.081,"text":"88億所以又加了88億嘛所以1379億加上88億有多少錢"},{"start":5003.89,"end":5026.965,"text":"來我們來算一下1467億嘛要跟委員報告了最主要是我們的新興計畫我了解嘛所以我們一樣一樣來嘛我們現在先確定一件事情不好意思我在說話請你不要插嘴可以嗎等一下我會給你有發言的機會不要把所有的事情混在一起這樣會混淆民眾"},{"start":5028.817,"end":5042.634,"text":"我非常有邏輯非常有秩序的一款一款預算法54條的規定跟你把數字對清楚嘛這樣所有透過直播在關心的台灣人民才可以知道原來"},{"start":5044.997,"end":5070.705,"text":"我們的財政部在1689億的預算裡面法定義務支出1379億可以先核實動資原定計畫88億可以先核實動資總共有1467億可以先核實先行動資這個是為什麼這個是為什麼在我們現在的預算制度下面說你們在推動政務"},{"start":5072.236,"end":5092.339,"text":"基本上面的政務沒有受到任何影響理由在這裡嘛剛剛次長您說你們希望你們所提出來的新興資本的計畫你們希望也可以趕快去做嘛這個我尊重但是我要說明的是什麼我再跟次長報告一次"},{"start":5093.427,"end":5118.295,"text":"我們坐在這邊協商是因為願會交代我們的任務就是這些項目就是這些項目如果財政部認為說不行我還有其他的新興計畫有急迫性要趕快先行動之那就麻煩你們麻煩你們依照立法院的程序提案你連提案都沒有提"},{"start":5119.468,"end":5142.922,"text":"院會沒有處理我們坐在這邊協商依法就沒有辦法處理我們現在限定協商的範圍就是這一些就是院會交付我們的這一些你不針對這個事情來回答去提一些不在院會交付我們協商的範圍內的項目對於這整個會議的進行毫無幫助所以"},{"start":5147.816,"end":5163.584,"text":"再鄭重的問您一次針對在這次協商範圍由財政部所主管小型X光檢查儀汰換第二期1.53億元財政部的立場認為有沒有先行動之的必要"},{"start":5164.324,"end":5185.063,"text":"八卦委員我們還是希望總體的預算能夠進度是我理解這個你說過了那請回答問題針對這1.53億元有沒有先行動之的必要如果你說有那我們就問其他黨團同不同意如果你說沒有那我們大家就了解了沒有先行動之的必要這件事情有這麼困難理解嗎"},{"start":5185.563,"end":5189.666,"text":"我了解 你的希望講了很多次了所以針對這1.53億你們需不希望先行動之沒有答案好 可以了 謝謝你 請坐下"},{"start":5203.991,"end":5216.569,"text":"我也做一點補充我剛剛還是非常感謝財政部的說明因為財政部的說明不好意思 直接就打臉了剛剛民進黨黨團在上面說的只有凍值2% 98%都凍不了"},{"start":5219.933,"end":5233.848,"text":"財政部自己剛剛也打臉了自己你剛開始講說總預算你們的預算是1689億然後這個1.53億微乎其微只佔千分之一好像是千分之999都動不了結果剛剛國昌主席已經"},{"start":5239.953,"end":5261.438,"text":"請教你們的問題我幫大家算一下1689億裡面有1379億是法定義務支出是財政部說的就佔預算的81%啦再加上本已獲授權原定計劃財政部也可以直接來去動資的88億加進去已經佔比高達87%不能再高啦87%"},{"start":5266.676,"end":5292.865,"text":"結果現在民進黨在上面你也公開幫大家澄清了他說只有2%可以用剩下98%不能用我還是感謝財政部果然是數字很專業我也要告訴接下來所有報告的部會你報告跟我講說總預算多少請你也同時告訴我法定義務支出多少佔比多少本已或授權原定計劃是多少佔比多少這樣講才不會誤導大家"},{"start":5293.965,"end":5315.048,"text":"不要一面倒只是因為今天執政黨定調了只准你們講是2%可以用要你們統一口徑講98%不能用那你們就要完全去忽略實際政府運作跟預算法的規定這個方式我覺得希望我們的主管機關還是要本朱專業"},{"start":5317.661,"end":5329.535,"text":"剛剛財政部到最後還是沒有回答針對他主管這1.53億的計畫是否支持立法院同意先語動之那沒關係請教我們的國民黨跟民眾黨團的意見"},{"start":5332.554,"end":5349.191,"text":"那個 可能暫且給我的人先離席啦不過我先代表台灣民眾黨黨團先表達一下我們的看法如果財政部認為這個不急的話那我們台灣民眾黨立法院黨團也不會幫他急到院會處理的時候我們會主張把這項刪除 謝謝國民黨團"},{"start":5354.186,"end":5372.136,"text":"我們跟民眾黨黨團的立場一致好 謝謝財政部自己都認為不急我們也沒辦法 感謝來 請教教育部教育部主管包括第一個提升國立大學校院建築安全並加速改善老舊銷售整建"},{"start":5372.896,"end":5400.514,"text":"耐震補強及文資修繕經費15億元因應竹竹苗地區高科技產業發展學生就讀高級中學學校需求將持續增加辦理所新整建竹竹苗高級中學校舍計劃所需經費3.3億元因應下水道等相關法令政策高中配合實施污水排水接管作業補助各校建置"},{"start":5401.75,"end":5408.197,"text":"校舍改善污水排水經費2.5億元智慧雨林產業創生人才育成計畫0.92億元"},{"start":5410.649,"end":5437.81,"text":"请教教育部是否支持立法院针对这些新兴计划新兴资本新增计划同意动之报告主席我想还是要强调我们本部今年主管的预算高达了3472亿那这个四项的新兴计划里面只占21.7亿那么其实教育部的预算那我一样请教一下法定义务支出多少"},{"start":5438.49,"end":5444.776,"text":"大概2400億左右2400億然後本已獲授權原定計劃可以動之多少"},{"start":5445.92,"end":5470.291,"text":"就是差不多2400億加起來2400億 對謝謝 請繼續我們當然是希望說預算裡面簽一法動全身有些是延續性的計畫但是它有增加預算有些是新興計畫裡面譬如說無人載具產業發展系統的統籌型計畫9.3億也牽涉到大專院校以下 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去年就是我剛剛在講字本你就趕快用去年方式你的金人加薪今天特別國安部來我一直在呼籲主計處也在這邊我們去年協商主計長你也在啊用去年的模式啊趕快白紙黑字寫下來那我們就可以審字本就解決了嘛第二個你們今天講我們新興的你們今天有些人說有意見"},{"start":5588.479,"end":5607.177,"text":"那就趕快提啊剛剛那個民進黨他一直在講放毒不就是民進黨先違法擺亂在前面你先放毒放完毒之後你又不解毒這樣怎麼對得起全民呢你們今天各個部會拿來的一直跳針你們跳針你們要看那個內容是什麼"},{"start":5610.373,"end":5638.246,"text":"你們竟然連你們之前在爭取說要趕快過的預算你們今天連嘴巴裡面講出來說要趕快動之你們都吞下去耶你們這樣怎麼對得起人民啊你們今天是部會首長回到家你去看看你的走零六色看看你家人看看你今天直播的內容是什麼再問自己一次連你們自己ban而且是急迫性的你們今天連嘴巴裡面講出來說同意都不敢講先做一個人才能做一個政務官吧"},{"start":5640.267,"end":5652.291,"text":"你們這樣怎麼對得起人民呢一直跳針一直跳針連最基本該爭取的幫人民爭取的都沒有然後你又漏洞百出講說要全部來審全部來審去年就有成功的個案啊那你們造成的問題我們今天已經幫你解決問題了你們還黨你們放毒又不解毒我做一個明確的這個建議啦這樣再拖下去他們就一直跳針嘛然後講他們"},{"start":5669.584,"end":5693.158,"text":"黨議大於民意民進黨本來當家不鬧事你們這樣一直鬧事怎麼對得起人民我做個正宗的這個建議要嘛我們一直聽他們挑釁下去可是加速審查這一種第二個把他們今天如果不支持這個新型預算的你們做兩件事嘛你們可以明確表態說還有其他的你們趕快回去提第二個如果今天你們"},{"start":5694.707,"end":5723.58,"text":"不支持這個新興計畫的請你們講清楚我們把它列為公文書明確的跟前面交代 謝謝好 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