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除了這個呢我們這些專案受到影響之外再來我有看到我們僑委會115年的這個預算如果看工作計畫來講的話其實我們所有的這個預算工作計畫的這個預算是全面在增加的都比114年度增加了不少尤其是僑民僑團聯繫接待計僑教中心服務原先的2億多增加到3億4千多"},{"start":2969.87,"end":2990.224,"text":"那還有喬生回國升學季喬青培訓研習本來是8億多增加到11億9千多我想請問一下這兩個計畫說實在它增加的幅度是比較高的那對這兩個計畫我想請教一下我們原先想要增加的內容是什麼如果是說這個預算沒過的話影響到的是什麼請問副委員長"},{"start":2994.379,"end":3001.788,"text":"謝謝委員的關心這個是工作計畫的項目的部分那增加最大的類別其實在僑民僑團的聯繫接待跟僑教中心的服務以及這個僑生回國升學僑親培訓對那跟委員報告在僑生的部分其實我們主要是要因應這個"},{"start":3013.76,"end":3020.206,"text":"國家的外來人才的留用跟培育的計畫所以我們會擴大的引入僑生然後希望僑生在台灣就學之後還能夠穩定下來就業那充實台灣的人力的需求那所以這個部分我們增加了很多這個僑生的這個人數的員額那主要會用在僑生的學費"},{"start":3037.419,"end":3048.062,"text":"以及他們的這個升幅補助的部分所以這個部分如果資金沒有到位預算沒有到位的話也可能馬上會受到影響因為僑生的學費也照很多僑生都是經濟有困難的他們相當仰賴這個學費的補助所以學費補助如果沒有到位的話馬上就會受影響那在這個僑民僑團的聯繫的這個部分主要是今年會開始第二期的我們的"},{"start":3063.067,"end":3089.399,"text":"华语文的深耕教育的计划那这个计划呢其实会配合我们海外的华语文的教学以及TCML在全球的布点设置那在这个侨团跟侨教中心的部分也会提供一些空间的升级所以看起来这个原因比较多但其实我们的侨民跟侨团的数量一直都在增加当中所以我们服务的对象一直都在增加人数一直都在增加相对应的我们的预算需求也会上升"},{"start":3090.82,"end":3098.625,"text":"所以說其實這兩個都是本期長期以來一直很關心的一個就是說華語文中心的這個設立像過去的話我也請教了這個橋委會很多次我們覺得說這個應該是要擴大來做辦理所以看起來橋委會是有這個計畫可是如果這個預算卡關其實有很多其實是沒有辦法來擴大來做辦理的"},{"start":3110.973,"end":3113.976,"text":"那另外還有這個攬財計畫喬軒回國升學這個部分那當然這部分我也跟過去跟這個徐嘉欣委員長討論了非常非常的多那我們也看到就是說其實我們是有心要來做就是希望說就是我們的喬軒能夠回國來升學那再來來補足我們人才的這個不足"},{"start":3131.61,"end":3149.959,"text":"可是如果說這個計劃因為預算沒有審看起來這整個計劃新增的計劃都會卡關所以在這裡再次的呼籲在野黨真的是真的這個會期都已經要結束了我們竟然一毛錢都沒有審真的是阻礙了國家整個的發展好 以上謝謝接下來請陳俊宇委員上台質詢"},{"start":3170.278,"end":3182.693,"text":"好 謝謝召委主席 我們有請副委員長副委員長你先喝口水吧副委員長早早安 委員早安"},{"start":3184.838,"end":3199.283,"text":"好 副委員長 針對今天我們專報的一個主題我們面對全球這個經貿變局的一個挑戰那海外橋界是台灣與國際社會重要的一個橋樑那橋委會在今天的這個報告當中也特別花了"},{"start":3201.104,"end":3227.766,"text":"這個部分的篇幅提到有關全球地緣政治風險的一個升高還有供應鏈加速重組產業結構調整以及美國川普政府推出的這個關稅和製造業回流等政策我想對台灣來說未來跟美國之間各項領域的一個合作特別關鍵尤其在關稅談判的結果已經明朗之後不管是在經貿上的一個佈局策略"},{"start":3228.615,"end":3257.61,"text":"要加大投資或是在產業上要共同打造飛虹供應鏈強化我們自主生產的一個能力更進一步提升台美之間的一個戰略夥伴關係可以預期台美之間的這個連結會更加的緊密也會是接下來橋務工作的一個重點那我們看到您日前代表這個國家這個橋委會第一次出訪美國這個洛杉磯也參與了多場的橋界的活動"},{"start":3259.076,"end":3279.179,"text":"我想先請教副委員長的部分是在這次出訪當中您第一線接觸到的僑胞和僑商對於台美之間要進一步深化合作有什麼樣的期待或擔憂或是有提出什麼樣的對於我們僑委會的需求 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謝謝副委員長非常詳細的說明那我們對這個僑商僑民的資源不單單只是政策而已而是要看到實際的這個資源跟服務那也請我們僑委會務必要與外交部還有我們經濟部等相關部會做好這個橫向的這個聯繫把我們傳統僑社的資源跟新興科技移民的需求對接起來讓我們在外打拚的這些台灣人形成更大的"},{"start":3761.688,"end":3776.002,"text":"更大更強的這個力量我想這也是我們政府面對全球這個變局應該要有的一個積極作為好 謝謝副委員長 以上謝謝謝謝陳菊委員的發言 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建築業還有機動車還有很多製造業的一些多家龍頭的企業然後也跟平壤還有同奈等地的台商做了一些座談"},{"start":3961.653,"end":3977.803,"text":"那在這些敗匯的過程當中我們也可以感受到這些橋台商他們在美國關稅政策也會面臨一些衝擊那就這個部分我相信橋委會應該也有一些相關的掌握目前有沒有什麼相關的因應作為"},{"start":3980.697,"end":3984.418,"text":"謝謝委員的關心非常認同委員剛剛所說的我們的橋台商其實在這個中華民國台灣在跟很多國際上沒有正式外交關係的情況之下還能夠靠著自己的力量然後片手之足很多我們橋台商的第一代都是自己努力然後打下一片天那同時呢在創立基業的之後"},{"start":4004.966,"end":4007.649,"text":"還能夠回饋台灣確實讓我們感到非常的敬佩尤其是台灣其實在越南的台商分布的非常多產業類別也非常多這幾年因為新南向政策的關係其實越南的部分我們台商普遍大致上來說發展的是不錯的"},{"start":4025.566,"end":4040.343,"text":"那台湾对东协的投资也一直陆续的在增加当中那我们也协辅了很多越南的台商协助他们做产业的升级跟转型包括导入了循环经济还有数位转型的这相关的我们撤要的可能不是"},{"start":4040.963,"end":4054.189,"text":"因為其實橋台商其實在越南他們如果可以立足而且發展得很好他們已經發展得很好我們現在要說因為如果倒掉的說撤回來的已經都撤回來的我們已經知道是現況可是我們現在是說面臨現有的國際局勢還有現在我們台海的局勢緊張的情況之下我們可以做到什麼簡要的一個方向就好"},{"start":4066.235,"end":4071.278,"text":"跟委員報告目前我們這個美國關稅的專案貸款的專案裡面到目前為止有六件來申請那這六件都是來自越南的台商那可見就是說我們這個專案雖然不敢說是全部但是有一些程度有幫助到可以服務到越南台商的需求"},{"start":4084.304,"end":4088.208,"text":"那當然台商的需求它可能是範圍很廣大那個問題都不一而足但是僑委會的立場是傾聽他們然後協助他們能夠對接到相關的部會因為他們的產業類別還有他們面臨的困境可能會非常的不一樣因為現在我們剛剛有提到就是說如果他們其實在有很多的企業剛剛我們也提到有很多其實已經立足很成熟很穩定在發展的"},{"start":4112.449,"end":4115.95,"text":"其實他們跟我們政府要借錢的機會並不是那麼大因為我們的像我們這些經費其實也不是很高所以他們最需要的就是在這個國際局勢當中剛剛有說要跟其他部會對接因為這個不是僑委會獨立可以做到的所以我們希望這個對接的角色可以做到更好"},{"start":4133.496,"end":4136.198,"text":"因為他不是只有花錢而已所以預算到底怎麼樣我們僑委會並不是很多所以他可以影響的主要的是我們在這個橋樑扮演的這個平台才是我們的重點那剛剛有提到可能在他們的需求上面因為今天衛福部也列席我們希望可以一起來解決相關的問題因為這一次我們去參訪的時候也剛好"},{"start":4160.371,"end":4163.793,"text":"有碰到這個問題就是在冠狀病毒防疫期間僑委會曾經配合衛福部在推動健康義友APP提供給海外我們的僑胞遠距免費健康的諮詢那疫情結束以後"},{"start":4177.122,"end":4180.126,"text":"僑胞希望可以持續的因為當時這樣子的一個措施應該是對他們有很大的一個注意所以他們也希望說在海外可以享用我們台灣的醫療資源可以讓台商跟家人在異地也可以安心就醫畢竟台灣在整個醫療"},{"start":4196.525,"end":4202.306,"text":"的水準上面其實是受到肯定的尤其是我們出門在外的這些我們的橋台商還有他相關的眷屬所以他們很希望能夠以插健保卡的方式來作業我想要請教我們長賜那就這個部分我們可以在海外遠距醫療的這個部分可以有什麼具體的做法嗎"},{"start":4225.264,"end":4239.616,"text":"目前其實跟越南台商這邊其實是用虛擬的健保卡他不需要在因為他的健保卡是在他身上嘛那現在只要用手機的虛擬健保卡他們可以用目前可以用所以就是透過虛擬健保卡的部分不過目前因為我們的規定是說在國人在海外那只能有那個急症才能夠回國之後來那個就是先玷污再核退"},{"start":4252.546,"end":4262.372,"text":"那現在就是說所以現在跟越南台南這部分是自費的也就是說看完之後那可能要由這個他的家人在這邊台北這邊幫他準備藥物再寄過去大概就這個程序那可以不可以有一個更簡便的方式因為你還是在我們這邊可能還要取藥各方面"},{"start":4274.259,"end":4277.601,"text":"因為他們除了健保卡的使用以外因為他可能你說的大概是有一些慢性疾病或者其他的可能重要的一個狀況發生的時候可是如果以現在我們的包括醫療器材其實包括遠距醫療其實他慢慢的在成熟的情況底下比如說像台中榮總他跟那個浦榮其實他們現在有一些醫療的設備"},{"start":4301.778,"end":4315.747,"text":"其實就可以做一個連結那就這個部分其實在看診的時候遠距醫療看診的時候其實他們可以提供更好的這樣的一個諮詢服務還有看診的這個作業那這個部分我們有沒有辦法做到"},{"start":4317.168,"end":4330.247,"text":"他應該是說他如果可以怎麼去提供他那些比如說穿戴裝置的資料這可以再評估但是就是說因為這也涉及到各國的他們醫療的規定可能也需要再研議"},{"start":4332.991,"end":4344.514,"text":"因為就這個部分他們也提到非常多因為有時候可能不小心生病可是又不是這麼嚴重的情況之下或者並不適合在搭飛機的情況之下可以怎麼樣提供他們更好的這些醫療的諮詢跟服務我想這個可能是他們迫切需要的因為如果說為了有時候不是真的非常嚴重可是他必須要搭飛機又回來"},{"start":4360.137,"end":4384.713,"text":"光是來回的機票或者它的騎乘等等其實也會有很大的可能那種損耗那就這個部分我們也期待有一種的方式就是說這個它可以在就跟當地的那個醫療機構合作也就是說由醫療機構跟我們這邊醫療機構遠距然後它就可以提供一些諮詢的一個"},{"start":4385.333,"end":4389.915,"text":"那這個應該也是一個很好的方法所以我們也希望說僑委會站在協助我們僑台商的立場然後衛福部也可以提供這樣子的一個平台來跟其他的駐在國因為我們一步一步慢慢來如果有一些國家可以跟我們做這樣的一個配合調整我們也來提供給僑商台商其實更好的這樣子的醫療服務那這一個部分也請"},{"start":4412.505,"end":4417.028,"text":"衛福部可以多琢磨然後配合我們僑委會看應該怎麼樣來做這樣的一個橋樑的一個工作好不好因為我們希望我們分佈在全球各地因為有一些你如果當地的醫療資源或者他的醫療品質不錯那當然大家比較不會擔心可是相對的他們的費用也非常高"},{"start":4435.1,"end":4453.148,"text":"可是你如果在一些醫療水準可能比較沒有那麼好的情況底下其實他們還是會是對他們一個很重要的資源的服務這個部分我們請衛福部跟僑委會可以同時來進行謝謝謝謝委員謝謝馬文君委員的質詢與建言各位請先回座喝口水"},{"start":4464.1,"end":4466.382,"text":"下面我們請沈博洋委員發言謝謝主席有請這個副委員長謝謝請副委員長"},{"start":4492.842,"end":4512.831,"text":"你好現在就是說因為有第一個當然是關稅這件事情剛剛前面有蠻多委員問過的現在又有所謂供應鏈的問題這個當然是我們國防部遇到的比較多並不是僑委會我們現在是希望能夠跟民主同盟有以美國為首的非紅供應鏈"},{"start":4514.312,"end":4533.802,"text":"這跟我們當年的晶片其實也非常類似雖然那個時候並不是跟紅色有什麼太大的關係但的確都是有一些技術上的移轉然後到台灣之後讓我們可以成長茁壯像我們現在比如說我們的無人機等等相關的一些產業其實有很多的零件都來自於中國"},{"start":4535.083,"end":4547.838,"text":"這個紅色供應鏈如果我們在裡面的話其實會是很大的問題比如說今天我們的敵人就是中國如果開戰的時候這些零件我們無法取得一個月可能要消耗非常多的無人機等等之類的這個都會形成問題"},{"start":4549.76,"end":4571.269,"text":"現在就是說呢因為之前當然第一個關稅剛剛前面比較多人問所以我從這邊來切入就是說因為供應鏈的這一個佈局其實非常的重要那現在其實很多廠商們都在準備當然有一個比較麻煩的地方是現在我們的這一個國防特別預算到現在是特別條例不要說特別預算了連特別條例都還沒有付尾"},{"start":4572.069,"end":4593.18,"text":"所以就會變成說我們接下來很多廠商他可能在期待說這整個飛鴻供應鏈到底要怎麼做但其實我們這個相關的這個條例還沒通過不過我覺得以經濟部的立場來講現在已經都已經開始準備在鼓勵廠商不管是雙用不管是要加入到這個產業然後增加工作機會這大概是我們現在政府的立場"},{"start":4593.891,"end":4609.805,"text":"那我們還是有另外一塊是跟橋尾會有關的就是我們的橋台商那橋台商現在這樣的一個供應鏈的這個分流佈局就我所知他們很多呢他們可能現在是在東南亞雖然他也有廠在台灣但有很多廠他是在東南亞"},{"start":4610.566,"end":4630.921,"text":"那我們就是之前有遇到就是有問到這一個前面的這一個信用保證基金那我們也有問說目前這一個有做這個保證的這個額數好像從去年到現在我看這一個是有六件六件可不可以稍微說明一下當然有六件那不是壞事的確是有但是總覺得六件好像還不夠多"},{"start":4632.369,"end":4647.388,"text":"那當然這跟我們自己現在國內的這一個立場尤其在立法院這邊是搖擺不定的可能會有一定的關係然後關稅也才剛定下來但是就是這方面的這一個這六件還有以及未來的展望是不是能夠更多是否可以跟國人報告一下"},{"start":4648.689,"end":4663.574,"text":"謝謝 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謝謝委員那另外一個就是我這個要這個問可能有點來不及因為時間的關係但我想先我請一下這一個我們的衛福部的次長謝謝請次長"},{"start":4859.108,"end":4872.319,"text":"主委好好 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因為我現在看到很多應該都是國外的一些廠商但是我總覺得這個對我們的未來應該算是蠻重要的所以未來的話如果可以的話我們再跟衛福部跟食藥署來討論一下這件事情這對我們的防災應該會有這個又都是在以海外為主或許僑委會也可以有一定的角色謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝接下來請王帝瑜委員上台質詢"},{"start":5026.274,"end":5034.005,"text":"好謝謝主席麻煩我們信保基金的董事長請信保基金董事長主席我也好"},{"start":5037.521,"end":5055.392,"text":"待會有其他需要補充的話不管是副委員長或其他業管單位就歡迎自己上來第一個請教一個問題我們信保根據我調查我們在2025年大概信保出去我們擔保的信保額度是1億5147萬美金"},{"start":5058.834,"end":5086.865,"text":"2024年是1億4986萬美金當然壽星的額度比這還高大概是一半就是說有點像我買房子我要去買我要買一個2億5千151萬的房子然後呢這個你們來幫我擔保大概一半的錢當我這個擔保的保證人大概是這個概念那我要請教你我一般要比較難理解的是如果我們信保基金海外信保"},{"start":5087.745,"end":5090.426,"text":"去承擔1億5147萬美金或1億4986萬美金我用1億來講好了那你們要準備多少錢"},{"start":5101.158,"end":5108.002,"text":"因為目前我們所謂的代償率就是等於是假如是100塊的話我們代償率是1.4塊就是1.4%所以1.4%那我這樣講不知道對不對就是說我今天如果信保1億"},{"start":5117.867,"end":5135.299,"text":"我大概要準備的是1億的1.4%對 就140萬美金這個就是我的成本對 至少這個成本將來還可以去追啦我們把它當作呆帳不一定會追回來是那前面有人說你要幫人家擔保1億4那1億4跳掉了你要全部負擔沒錯 所以有一個真性嘛"},{"start":5136.539,"end":5162.177,"text":"連針嘛 是銀行又銀行股啊銀行股啊又不是隨便放款他一定會去看你的信用你的所得你的營業額甚至你有沒有不動產資產負債都會看完經過徵信完我決定我銀行要借你一億可是我覺得對你信用上我有所疑慮要你找個保證人這個保證人呢在海外就是海外信保基金你們來當保證人 是"},{"start":5162.597,"end":5180.643,"text":"在家庭通常配偶買房子連帶保證人就找另外一個配偶綁在一起所以政府擔任所謂信保的角色就是當我們中小企業如果在海外他要去拚經濟可是他拿不到銀行海外美國的銀行不借他錢"},{"start":5181.721,"end":5209.191,"text":"歐洲銀行不借他錢或者因為你誰擔保的身分差別利率會有所差別美國的話如果你是初次來這邊做生意大概是6%那一般信用比較好有往來的大概是2%以下這個是海外資金運作的所以在跟你確認這件事情就是我們長年以來這個又不是我們現在執政才有長年以來喬委會的海外信保基金為了幫助我們喬台商"},{"start":5210.091,"end":5222.265,"text":"我們在信保的額度每1億你們要準備的成本大概是1.4%左右我這樣全是沒有錯嘛這個就是成本嘛所以100塊要準備1.4塊100億要準備1.4億140萬美金要準備這個額度"},{"start":5231.855,"end":5251.517,"text":"所以從這來看我們最近跟美國談到的所謂的最惠國待遇或者是關稅談判我覺得它是一個專業問題政治的口水沒辦法去掩蓋真實如果這個談判的條件不好企業界會知道產業界會知道如果這個談判的條件不錯"},{"start":5252.978,"end":5281.339,"text":"產業界也會知道也許對政治人物的評價可以透過抹黑啊 造謠啊可以有一時的影響但是這是紮紮實實的經濟議題所以2500億所謂的對美投資那個是指私人部分包含台積電的1600億美金還有我們要購買我們的能源等等那個大概就消化掉了很多人把後面那2500億美金的信用單保直接把它加上去你們會這樣加嗎"},{"start":5284.355,"end":5303.228,"text":"應該不一定啦因為事實上本身這個企業他的投資的錢到底是自己的錢或者是跟銀行借來的錢其實是都有可能的用加法就不對嘛就好像你兒子去買一間房子一千萬叫你這個老爸來擔保一千萬難道你還要再另外拿一千萬放在那裡不是你是擔保他那一千萬不還的時候你的貸產嘛"},{"start":5304.704,"end":5333.992,"text":"那代償率1.4%我就要準備1000萬我就準備個這個14萬嘛就代償率的概念是這樣子所以2500億美金的擔保或信保其實我準備就是2500億乘上1.4%大概35億美金左右35億啦 何況像台積電那種公司哪需要你信保啊所以還會更小大概會低於25億美金因為許多會到美國投資的大型公司他本身的Credibility在"},{"start":5335.559,"end":5359.475,"text":"國際任何銀行都搶到借他錢根本不用你去信保他所以他真正幫助到的是比較少涉足海外投資的或者是首次去海外投資的或者是屬於中小型規模欠缺他的這個Credibility這樣的企業我們在幫助的是 輔助的是這樣的弱勢或中小或者他有能力只是缺乏過去的時機"},{"start":5360.896,"end":5376.415,"text":"就像我們的性保基金一樣 對不對所以第一個命題我剛才請教的就是透過我們政府長年就存在的對海外叫海外性保在國內的就是中小性保這個不是現在才有欸你們海外性保操作幾年了"},{"start":5377.589,"end":5396.302,"text":"37年多了我們在場大概沒有幾個比37年小啦我們都比他大但37年也算蠻長的時間所以37年來歷經多任的政府信保是一個我們的企業家我們的產業界去海外打拚的時候他的一個工具"},{"start":5397.422,"end":5420.824,"text":"從來沒有人說我信保 我們僑委會信保我們的信保金信保1億5千147萬美金哇 那你僑委會的預算大概一半就拿去花掉了 沒有人這樣算的所以我們該透過這樣子讓他理解信保的概念那個貸償率1.4%才是一個潛在的成本而且那還可以再追償的你只是擔任擔保 所以"},{"start":5422.366,"end":5438.187,"text":"2500億準備起來是35億美金如果扣掉大型企業那種自己就可以擔保自己的大概還要比35億美金更小現在任何人再把2500億信保那就不是不懂囉如果看到我們這一段不是不懂囉那就裝不懂"},{"start":5439.088,"end":5453.571,"text":"直接要亂帶風去破壞台灣好朋友談到這麼優惠那台灣的傳統產業不管在台中在彰化在任何地方因為這樣子韓國已經吃驚了韓國變25%15%不疊加跟25%要疊加差多少如果你原始稅率是21或27要疊加的意思就是變50多%跟15%風頂不疊加"},{"start":5465.93,"end":5470.968,"text":"台灣的中小企業的命脈在這裡那我現在要請教你的第二個問題我們也請副委員長上來"},{"start":5473.086,"end":5496.312,"text":"那個現在有產生一個情形台灣確實在對等關稅談判達到了15%另外還有2.5倍的投資可以豁免抵稅歸零還有232條款對九大產業的列入不管是汽車零組件我們的水五金工具機腳踏車零組件等等等等"},{"start":5497.95,"end":5511.546,"text":"那我現在要請教僑委會跟信保基金的是我們有一些僑台商他的工廠是在台美以外的第三國而像東南亞有的是19%有的21%有的還要疊加有的還有懲罰稀產地幫中國稀產地的懲罰性關稅20%"},{"start":5517.492,"end":5536.63,"text":"那我們的橋台商如果因為在越南在哪裡遇到這樣困難他轉去美國投資我請教橋友會這個投資額度有沒有列入台灣對美投資額度他從第三地比如說我們某某橋台商現在他的工廠設在非洲設在東南亞"},{"start":5537.37,"end":5551.948,"text":"而他現在決定因應這個關稅我在這邊生產把我的利潤吃掉了我現在某某橋台商把我們的資金要拿到美國加州投資德州投資這個有沒有列入我們中華民國對美投資的額度內"},{"start":5554.02,"end":5565.222,"text":"謝謝委員的關心 僑委會的工作主要是做僑台商的平台那您剛剛的問題可能專業的經濟部或者是我們的談判小組來回答比較適合我們一定是全力配合不是配合 你們要了解這一點僑台商如果你們服務夠好 僑台商第一個會找到你們請教一下 我現在在印尼這個工場我準備挪1億美金去投資美國"},{"start":5580.625,"end":5585.208,"text":"這個有沒有算我們國家對美投資因為這個題目會決定下一題但是僑委會的立場我們不是主事的機關我們還是要以其他的像經濟部或者是談判小組我要你們去了解"},{"start":5595.959,"end":5621.39,"text":"Q&A要答得出來啊你Q&A都答不出來你怎麼服務橋台商答完之後說請找經貿辦請找經濟部國貿局他有他的業管單位但橋台商我從第三國移到美國去投資的時候有沒有列入我們國家對美投資這個很重要這牽涉到我們一開始那2500億台積電已經投資1600億了第二個他如果從第三國到美國投資信保金金"},{"start":5622.53,"end":5641.808,"text":"可不可以列入我們服務的對象是可以嘛所以這兩題是相關的如果我們今天有一個在印尼的橋台商他從印尼到美國去投資我們國家納稅人的信保基金縱使只有1.7%的成本潛在成本我去擔保他去美國他可以取得比較低的競爭優勢"},{"start":5643.109,"end":5662.641,"text":"那他到底有沒有列入我們對美投資問清楚啊如果沒有你可以提醒我們談判辦說這個要列進去啊這一旦列進去我們的信保海外信保基金等於變成整體國家的作戰而且我們國家的那2500億美金的信保是不是要把你們這個納入裡面"},{"start":5664.98,"end":5673.877,"text":"include列在額度裡面而不是列在外面因為光列在額度我看你們2025年就吃下了一億五千萬美金啊不錯啊"},{"start":5675.026,"end":5701.579,"text":"這不錯啊 這個減輕我們的負擔啊縱使就1.7% 1.4%也是一個負擔啊那個信保董事長知道我的意思嗎就是說這一個額度有沒有列入我們對美投資額度有 不錯啊第二個 他現在已經算是我們信保服務的客戶那我信保這一個額度有沒有列入那第二段2500億的美金的信保的額度裡面如果有更好 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橋委會有沒有一個新的更多更精進而且協助來配合德勒斯登因為我們當然知道日本熊本也有但是因為日本真的離台灣近發生什麼事情一個飛機票幾個小時就回來"},{"start":6311.736,"end":6327.251,"text":"那麼美國的話因為我們前進美國的橋台商多大家協助的方式可能會更緊密但是歐洲尤其是德國確實連橋台商都比較少那在這個部分我提醒橋委會是不是可以有更多的思考"},{"start":6328.588,"end":6333.934,"text":"謝謝委員謝謝委員對僑務這麼深入的了解跟關心那確實因為我們預算跟人力有限所以我們的僑務秘書其實不只是德勒斯登很多地方其實都在叫人數就是人不夠人力不夠那包括現在我們在亞利桑那其實也是沒有僑務秘書"},{"start":6345.385,"end":6357.437,"text":"那我們在日本熊本其實也沒有只有這個駐地的辦公室當然是外交不兼的所以其實只要這個行政院可以或者是大院願意給我們更多的預算我們很願意做事情那這個新的趨勢新的移民現在這個氣候移民潮正在形成當中僑委會會隨時配合這個台灣的往外移的僑民的需要來做這個人力的重新部署"},{"start":6369.949,"end":6378.131,"text":"那就像您所說的不論是熊本或者是亞利桑那或是德勒斯登因為現在就是我們有即將就是這個廠要營運之後工程師及家眷會進去那麼現在事實這個狀況已經發生了我也建議僑委會是不是會後可以給我們一份評估報告那包括其實現在人力有限也不太可能馬上就讓行政院打開人力或者是資源的部分怎麼樣跟其他的部會做橫向的整合"},{"start":6397.817,"end":6405.742,"text":"以及人力的配置上面是不是可以有一個進一步的相關的研究或了解交給本會跟本席好 謝謝接下來請鍾嘉斌委員上台質詢"},{"start":6425.945,"end":6447.209,"text":"主席 在場的委員先進列系的政府機關首長官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請我們李副委員長還有我們衛福部的莊次長請副委員長 莊次長謝謝委員長副委員長好 次長好請問李副委員長來交會多久了"},{"start":6448.741,"end":6476.101,"text":"我去年9月1號也五個月了四個月那對於我們的僑務同仁都熟其實我跟你們的僑務同仁也很熟像我們的張處長浩君我大概十年前在越南就跟他見過面了是非常優秀的僑務工作人員我是覺得副委員長能夠到僑務務委員會來帶領這麼傑出的團隊應該都是彼此的福氣那我跟妳請教一下因為畢竟妳來那如果說對於僑務的部分還"},{"start":6477.462,"end":6484.991,"text":"需要進一步說明的可以請他們來幫忙如果您完全掌握了就直接說來請教一下請問副委員長華航為什麼要開執揮鳳凰城的航線那個台積電在鳳凰城在亞利桑那很好 簡單明瞭我們看一下"},{"start":6494.298,"end":6515.58,"text":"一旦台積電到那裡我們就看到了它目前的每週三班它鎖定的課員是包括半導體相關人員的設備商未來它要三月的時候它增到四班越來越多的工程人員會過去這成了一個空中走廊 我很好奇華航會不會太樂觀到底有多少人要去鳳凰城每週要去直飛委員長你看不看好這條航線 副委員長"},{"start":6517.512,"end":6524.578,"text":"事實上不只是華航新宇的航線也已經開了是的 所以不只華航有眼光新宇有眼光往下看其實台灣模式的產業它所聚集這麼多的台商你覺得它需要什麼樣的僑委會的服務呢"},{"start":6533.204,"end":6536.887,"text":"剛剛在委員還沒來之前其他委員有提到當我們的新僑民移居到美國或是亞利桑那新的地方之後需要的是一些子女的教育生活上的資訊社團的連結服務等等"},{"start":6550.58,"end":6578.278,"text":"所以你看嘛如果未來我們看到台積電它的派出人員估計到六千加券可能要一萬五有兩萬多人其他的上下游的供應鏈的廠商漢堂 帆軒 亞航也將近五千至於其他的我們就加加起來也不少這些的喬教需求可不可以舉一下例子喬委會目前在哪些國家設有我們的子弟學校或者說台灣學校你去過哪些越南的去過沒有胡志明"},{"start":6579.301,"end":6608.542,"text":"胡志明的我個人還沒有去過去過馬來西亞的馬來西亞的在哪裡台灣學校在吉隆坡在吉隆坡我也去了我也很開心的他們過去曾經在那裡辦國慶還升國旗我認為這很不簡單因為過去馬來西亞政府相當的傾向中國好 那沒有錯除了學校之外我們想一下看除了類似這樣的一個台灣學校之外住宿旅宿這個交通之外你認為我們的台商或台橋還會遇到什麼樣的需求"},{"start":6609.466,"end":6622.077,"text":"我覺得一落地之後可能譬如說找房子啊醫療啊或者是法律諮詢啊我不知道你有沒有聽過以前我在越南常常跑的時候台商只要一覺得身體有益第一件事情你就是衝醫院掛急診嗎應該不是他們是第一個去買機票"},{"start":6626.141,"end":6640.38,"text":"為什麼 因為回來台灣四個小時比較保險而且有我們龐大的健保傑出的醫療團隊包括我們裝飾廠待會就會說了嘛就買機票那你覺得未來到鳳凰城台上如果有這種情況他可以說身體不舒服趕快買機票回台灣來嗎"},{"start":6641.81,"end":6667.374,"text":"應該是有困難有困難 那怎麼辦呢我們來看一下今天我們衛務部提供了一個解方這是我在2022年的時候跟那時候的越南的台商總會長檢總會長還有前面好幾任的總會長他們在推動什麼推動所謂一個叫做通訊診療 診察醫療辦法來 我們請莊次長來看一看然後對不起 還沒往然後接著在2023年的1月10號我們還在"},{"start":6671.966,"end":6693.505,"text":"衛福部我就去質詢了後來在這個推動之下請問一下那個次長那時候你在疾管局嗎我覺得薛副部長那時候是9月28號您在在疾管署我們在那邊開一個會你有印象嗎我沒有在當場這個會議但是你了解這個通訊診治療辦法對 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所以很麻煩我們往下看那現在你看一看這是衛福部你們過去在馬來西亞 越南都做了好 往下看來 請次長接下來請教次長 來再往下一頁"},{"start":6848.959,"end":6877.267,"text":"所以未來有沒有繼續往通訊機關矯正機關的通訊診療你們有沒有繼續在做報委員 目前其實是有的目前有針對精神科跟體護科是有透過這個通訊診療方式來做這個需要長期的追蹤的但是我們也知道一些心血管疾病一些慢性病現在高齡化很多矯正機關裡面的受刑人本身年事偏高經常像這種氣溫急劇變化就經常要緊急送醫"},{"start":6877.907,"end":6906.286,"text":"他如果能夠得到平常定期的追蹤診施是不是比較好對不過目前其實他們都有這些都有醫師在那邊那個是醫務所醫務所裡面那麼多分科而且看的不是你原來的醫師所以未來如果能夠把這個慣法推廣到矯正機關跟法務部合作你樂不樂見未來我們的全民健保這麼優秀的醫療體制可以讓這些在矯正機關裡面它可以延續在原來在外面得到的醫療機構的照顧跟服務"},{"start":6908.087,"end":6935.683,"text":"對 我們可以再跟那個法務部這邊再來針對這個部分那我再告訴你目前大概只有兩所監所啦再往下看所以最後我們結論結論說喬回這邊我想你們已經做得很好我們就持續的擴大推動尤其是未來像鳳凰城像北美洲的部分如果有這個通訊診療辦法那麼原來本來在台灣工作的這些勞心勞力的這些我們說的爆肝族他們要在那邊繼續有他們的健康需要維護"},{"start":6936.824,"end":6940.369,"text":"善用這個方法能夠讓他們得到同樣台灣健保"},{"start":6941.148,"end":6964.947,"text":"制度的照顧那也拜託衛福部次長現在台灣有51所的矯正機關目前你們只有兩個部分而且只有合作精神跟皮膚科有沒有考慮把這樣的一個辦法繼續擴大推動因為這都是法務部他們出的錢所以如果他們有需求進來還有他們要出錢你們樂於接受對不對那我會幫你保證我會去通訪衛福部做要求那也謝謝副委員長也謝謝次長 謝謝謝謝委員 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首先我本席先繼續追問有關食藥署事後緊急病要轉類為只是用藥的去年12月19號的時候根據食藥署回覆本席辦公室表示已經在114年3月4月的時候分別都召開了專家會議必於12月再次召開會議討論這個事辦計畫供應的事法性還有探討"},{"start":7023.448,"end":7027.55,"text":"然後經過這些專家討論認為增進緊急事後病癮藥的可進性這些都還要再進一步的研議然後預計115年將持續召開會議取得各界的共識但是我想這個事情就是連我們最友好的日本鄰近的國家也都在114年8月29號專家會議中正式決議將緊急事後病癮藥由處方藥轉類為指示用藥批准事後病癮藥"},{"start":7052.924,"end":7062.176,"text":"可以非處方用藥方式的販賣開放女性可以就直接在藥局直接購買是先進醫藥國家中最後一個轉類為指示用藥的國家那為什麼衛福部的政策"},{"start":7068.984,"end":7073.226,"text":"食藥署105年到現在已經10年了一直在開會分別在召開緊急事後必應藥轉為只是用藥的可行性的專家的會議還有緊急事後必應藥用藥安全及可進行的事辦分享會議一直到現在都已經10年了為什麼沒有辦法執行"},{"start":7091.536,"end":7096.1,"text":"而且還沒有取得共識是因為開放緊急事後併用藥轉類為指示用藥是不是會影響某些特定的團體的利益呢所以不願意開放呢因為我想也在民調中我也去看過民調的表示就是社會團體還有女性在這民調上面都顯示七八成是完全贊成同意的"},{"start":7115.374,"end":7118.957,"text":"那為什麼衛福部食藥署到現在還不願意開放呢那哪時候要開放呢哪時候要開完專家會議呢到底要拖到什麼時候才可以我們台灣跟國際接軌包委員那這個部分因為它涉及的方面比較廣泛所以"},{"start":7134.511,"end":7159.556,"text":"上次12月開過會之後目前是希望說可以委辦計畫就是來做這個可進行的一個事辦計畫這個部分當然就是主要這邊會牽涉到兒少團體家長團體婦女團體還有醫界藥界這邊其實他們都有不同的聲音那另外剛剛委員這邊講到日本的部分日本他應該是把它列為需指導藥品"},{"start":7160.896,"end":7166.323,"text":"虛指導不是處方藥應該是虛指導藥品的部分虛指導藥品當然不是處方藥現在就是處方藥要轉類成指示用藥讓大家方便便民大家可以到藥局來購買你現在還是處方藥那就沒有用了因為現在先進的國家都已經把它轉類成指示用藥"},{"start":7180.379,"end":7183.1,"text":"已經有88個國家都這樣那請問一下台灣的醫療一直說要國際接軌一直要進步為什麼這一個政策就可以這樣耽誤了10年呢主要這邊似乎還有一些配套措施需要一些發展比如說它必須要記錄這些每個個案如果未來到只是用藥要有記錄第二個就是那個場域規劃因為有些是未成年那個隱私的問題"},{"start":7208.506,"end":7222.089,"text":"沒關係這是整個是配套的措施這個沒有關係這個就是事辦計畫裡面的細節但是好既然我們要事辦計畫跟日本一樣日本也是這樣一步一步的推行的我也知道但是如果說我們現在就是要事辦計畫到底什麼時候要事辦計畫從去年講到現在要事辦計畫到現在都還沒有那請問一下什麼時候要事辦計畫什麼時候還要再召開專家會議"},{"start":7232.391,"end":7237.296,"text":"主要是今年115年我目前知道就是115年我們會有一個委辦計畫來做好 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