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one我真的要大大的肯定但是呢"},{"start":290.495,"end":304.307,"text":"今天的專案報告我們還是要具體的來回應在野黨委員的質疑其實真理是越辯越明的我非常仔細聆聽上午八位跨黨派委員的質詢其實兩個重點"},{"start":306.654,"end":322.984,"text":"兩個重點第一個美方目前遭他們聯邦最高法院宣判違憲美方後續要進行的法律適用的一役那是美國人他們要努力的美國政府川普總統正在因應"},{"start":323.844,"end":350.911,"text":"目前先用122條款來因應但未來面對美國的法律的疑義跟釋法性的解套這是美國政府努力的而台灣無權置喙我們要做的是妥善因應而在妥善因應的這個部分我要說今天早上三黨委員其實都已經驗證出一個真理"},{"start":351.792,"end":381.03,"text":"就是確保最佳談判成果等同就是肯認目前的談判成果是最佳的委員一直在說是不是能夠爭取確保ART15%不疊加在業黨委員一直在要求力求要恢復2072項全貨免這不就驗證了我們的談判是最好的嗎所以針對我這些觀察院長或副院長有沒有簡要的回應"},{"start":382.421,"end":399.093,"text":"委員的三個或是四個第一四個唯一非常的精闢委員的肯定我想政府院長以及楊振宜政府一定很謙虛我代替他們跟你說謝謝因為你的肯定就跟早上幾位委員一樣一直希望我們要堅持"},{"start":400.373,"end":426.816,"text":"原來的ART內容是生效的而且繼續有效下去繼續爭取15%不疊加這個就是對整個談判團隊在這個階段所表現出來爭取談判結果予以高度的肯定那我們謝謝委員這個肯定接下來我們更重要的工作是跟美方繼續密切的聯繫確認也確保這樣的談判雙方協議的內容會繼續有效以確保我們國家跟產業的最大利益"},{"start":427.436,"end":452.885,"text":"謝謝院長我稍後會讓副院長回應也就是說官官難過官官過當亂流來了我們要做的是回到座位上繫好安全帶而不是去改變正確的航行方向所以下一頁我們台灣有三有面對關稅談判就是政府有掌握政策有準備社會有底氣"},{"start":454.125,"end":469.667,"text":"我們要確保這個三有是持續正向的推進而切莫未來我們絕對不能夠要的有三步第一個就是優惠待遇不打折對不對確保我們122"},{"start":471.129,"end":488.487,"text":"ART以及MOU的簽訂所以說以享有的優惠待遇不打折還有國會審議不拖延不延宕當然我們台灣不能夠成為毀約的一方關稅的協定不變卦不毀約"},{"start":489.588,"end":516.068,"text":"面對這三有以及未來的三不我們的副院長您是不是也再一次對國會喊話最重要的就是國會審議不拖延讓台灣不會成為毀約或是被優惠待遇打折的那一方謝謝委員剛剛對於上個階段的談判成果的完整的說明非常謝謝委員的肯定那接下來我們要努力的目標就是如院長所說還有剛剛您所說的"},{"start":517.489,"end":544.483,"text":"就是在後續美方他在透過一二條款後續重建他的法律工具基礎的過程當中我們確保優惠待遇不打折也就是鞏固我們原來的談判成果其實不只是我們努力的目標其實這幾天我們可以看到美國政府也逐步釋出類似的訊息像這兩天的貿易代表署他也表達說會在他們既有貿易法的基礎上"},{"start":546.725,"end":558.116,"text":"來實現的協議內容所以我想我們雙方正在朝這個目標來努力我們正在緊密聯繫溝通當中包含視訊包含各種的聯絡方式我們都持續進行中"},{"start":558.706,"end":579.871,"text":"所以說有掌握有準備就有底氣我們不打折不拖延就不毀約接下來我們來看民意確實也表態了我現在身兼民進黨政策會執行長這是我們二月份進行的民調台灣不分北中南東不分年齡"},{"start":581.383,"end":598.056,"text":"超過74.1%的民意期待國會快速審議通過對美的關稅談判而不是在國會扯後腿搞破壞這是民意的展現我們甚至來看政黨支持者"},{"start":599.097,"end":621.645,"text":"國民黨民眾黨的在野黨支持者也都高達五成六成希望國會不要惹事當然執政黨民進黨的支持者九成五是希望國會能夠快速來通過所以說雖然在野黨有人在倡議要重啟談判但這就是限國家於不義的"},{"start":623.345,"end":639.145,"text":"愚蠢無知的做法這不是我說的這是藍營的有志之士劉寶潔黃偉漢甚至是許育仁前立委說的所以說現在世界各國有哪一個國家要重新談判要退回協議有嗎有這樣的訊息嗎"},{"start":642.308,"end":661.867,"text":"目前是並沒有我想我們都說明得非常清楚我們上個階段ART跟MOU的談判結果就是未來面對美方新的替代政策工具下一個最有力的基礎美方也正表達說他們內部因應新的法律工具之後會來通知相關的貿易夥伴"},{"start":662.487,"end":683.452,"text":"所以我想面對後續的新的政策工具底下這個已經達成協議的國家我們是能夠持續的來爭取鞏固結果那相對沒有達成協議的國家我們的推估是他們會面對後續不論301或其他法律工具可能更重的結果"},{"start":686.073,"end":714.642,"text":"所以說呢下一頁美國不管從川普總統的國情咨文演說到財政部長Besant包括他們的貿易代表Gilead也都清楚的說明目前所有的國家跟企業都希望維持現有的貿易協議下一頁我們的主要競爭對象韓國日本包括英國也都強調他們的政府以及國會都會不受影響持續推進這是國際下一頁"},{"start":716.242,"end":736.779,"text":"在台湾不管是工业总会不管是中小企业协会还包括我们学界的中华经济研究院台晶院的领导人都说了如果重谈台湾就是主动的撕毁协议我们应当确保战果而不是去捅马蜂窝"},{"start":737.459,"end":751.646,"text":"這些都確立了我們就是繫好安全帶而不是改變航行的方向下一頁包括我要再一次感謝我過去的同事許育仁前立委他今天正在美國的國會聽證"},{"start":753.107,"end":771.257,"text":"他的证词证言虽然是扣合这军购案但是他在关税谈判里头也表达了国民党有志之士共同的声音就是重新谈判是不治的包括刘宝杰他说的台湾不要做出愚蠢"},{"start":771.917,"end":800.559,"text":"或是無知的決定如果把台灣推到川普的攝成把位的中心把台灣的優勢全部丟到水中去重啟談判這都是不智更是無知那我最後一部分要就教於拱部長事實上下一頁總統很早賴總統就已經撥話了國家長遠的戰略經貿的目標從過去的西進南向東拓我們要北合"},{"start":801.82,"end":824,"text":"台湾加一就是美国跟台湾强化合作那这个打造非红供应链台湾要扮演全球半导体民主供应链的关键角色我认为这不只是关税谈判应验了这个方向这更是赖总统很早就破坏的经贸方向是正确的下一页"},{"start":824.821,"end":843.911,"text":"民意也是這樣展現67.9%的人民是支持台灣未來在經貿方向上與美日合作只有18.9%希望能夠重回中國的懷抱這是民意我最後就交於拱部長"},{"start":844.972,"end":861.345,"text":"赴美投資是世界的趨勢下一頁其實台灣不只不能落人後更要搶得先機事實上以近三年對美投資存量的成長率台灣還是大有空間比起其他國家下一頁而台積電即便"},{"start":863.604,"end":878.814,"text":"赴美扩大的来设厂但是未来10年80%的先进制程都在台湾未来还有10个厂台积电跟流台湾所以我要就交于部长下一页"},{"start":879.614,"end":902.15,"text":"投資台灣是正夯的我要請您幫我們向國人來論述我們招商的成績我們不只台商有能力跟留台灣之外投資全球我們向世界組成台灣隊去打世界盃事實上外商外資投資台灣這是2025年的招商成果"},{"start":902.87,"end":910.272,"text":"1602億40%的廠家擴大在台灣營運規模40%的外商擴大在台的產能12%的外資是首度選擇來台投資8%要在台灣設立研發中心包括本席的選區我們迎來了揮打"},{"start":926.657,"end":948.132,"text":"這是士林北投科技園區成為全世界AI產業的心臟最大的動能所以請您跟我們說明一下下一頁2025年我們的招商成果以及美商在台灣投資的成果來 舊教育部長八號委員 在台灣投資事實上它越來越多元化 國家也越來越多"},{"start":949.724,"end":968.923,"text":"從金額上來講 事實上在馬英九政府的時候那時候8年的平均大概每一年資金從外國來的部分大概是50億美金2016年之後到目前為止平均大概超過100億以上 就是加了一倍這個只是講說資金從國外來的"},{"start":970.965,"end":989.973,"text":"如果他在台灣賺了錢或在台灣借了錢再投資的部分那金額更大比如說來講這邊有提到比如說NVIDIA AMD或美光單單美光來講從過去到現在投資的金額就超過1兆台幣1.2兆而且他們在台灣30年的紮根將來還會再增加"},{"start":991.974,"end":1012.381,"text":"所以說美商大舉來台也是史上新高不是台灣企業前進美國而已我們魚幫水 水幫魚強強聯手是我們在經貿路線正確下的斬獲在MOU及ART裡面都有雙向投資的條文是 所以我們要強化雙向投資的"},{"start":1030.224,"end":1032.665,"text":"好 謝謝吳思堯委員 謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長 龔部長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請羅廷維委員質詢 何新淳委員請準備"},{"start":1049.693,"end":1054.163,"text":"好 謝謝主席 有請我們卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選"},{"start":1063.905,"end":1080.737,"text":"各位好院長好 院長辛苦了不會 不會 大家努力方向一致我們有看到政府的努力但是我們希望好可以更好所以有一些事情想救教許多的問題也希望院長能夠清楚明確的給予一些承諾"},{"start":1081.67,"end":1106.763,"text":"院長我想社會上很擔憂的是美方如果要求在基改食品進入校園沒有在這個部分的話有沒有談判到基改的部分完全沒有改變我們現在國內的消費的習慣跟市場的規矩完基改沒有是 所以未來也不可能會進入到我們的校園對嗎不會好 謝謝你那我想這個如果能夠獲得您百分百的一個承諾對於家長"},{"start":1108.204,"end":1134.079,"text":"對於整個社會所擔憂的部分我們都希望能夠得到證實 感謝委員關心基改食品我們在談判中基改食品管理制度維持不變校園的學生學校衛生法也不會改變我們都是也在教育文化委員會也有提出擔憂當時當然不敢百分百的確認但是我們今天獲得兩方的承諾我想這個部分我們也給予肯定非常感謝"},{"start":1135.24,"end":1153.893,"text":"院長 其實立法院目前正在審查台灣和美國的關稅協議的當下美國跟以色列兩國以及現階段伊朗的戰爭這無疑是台灣經貿發展的一個面臨最大的地緣政治的衝突以財經的角度來看"},{"start":1154.733,"end":1172.489,"text":"我們現階段上面這兩件事情好像不太相關但是其實對於整個台灣經貿的發展影響巨大的一個黑天鵝如果再加上美股目前由科技七巨頭所引發的AI資本支出的一個黑洞這樣子的黑天鵝以及英國IN"},{"start":1173.57,"end":1197.305,"text":"NFS所抵押貸款的一個破產可能引發的雷曼兄弟的一個黑天鵝以及現在正在加速增溫的中日衝突黑天鵝疊加起來就有可能是台灣不可承受的一個黑天鵝我想在這樣子的狀況之下國際的情勢是瞬息萬變請問一下怎麼看待這些這麼多的一個黑天鵝"},{"start":1199.257,"end":1223.325,"text":"國際很多形勢的發展是互相牽動這是沒有錯的這一次在中東地區的一個軍事的衝突對美國而言他必須花費一些時間去處理這些國際事務也就會讓他在處理跟其他國家談判的這個事情上面難免在實現上會有所衝突所以我們更有耐心的也更積極的向美方進行各種必要的"},{"start":1224.116,"end":1250.605,"text":"緊密的聯繫希望能夠盡快的能夠確認我們已有的這種最優惠的待遇能夠得到確保那麼我們現在更讓我們感到要密切注意的是我們也責成經濟部跟中油跟台電對我們的整個能源的供應更要朝穩定多元開發的市場去做更多的嘗試那我們現在已經啟動了整個緊急應變的機制那這個是在戰爭之後所引發的另外一個國際上"},{"start":1251.966,"end":1273.105,"text":"對我們現在國內民生以及產業上面極大的衝突那當然今天我們也看到股市的變化在美國跟其他幾個國家有重大的這個政策宣示改變的時候我們也會受到這個股市的變化的影響所以我們已經要求金管會財政部所有的財經單位緊密的注意"},{"start":1273.545,"end":1293.343,"text":"那目前我們的股市經過前幾波的很強韌的這個漲勢體質是完好的那我們希望能夠在這條能撐住能夠穩定是股市未來的發展我想短期都會有震盪啦但是回歸到基本面但我想講的是在這麼多的黑天鵝當中有很多是政府和民間是無能為力的"},{"start":1294.059,"end":1315.841,"text":"但是我們就要避免被颱風圍掃到但是目前我們可以看到台美關稅協議的是我們唯一政府當中是有機會掌握能夠好好處理的一個黑天鵝所以就叫剛剛我們要問的一個問題是請問一下院長在簽署這個台美關稅協議的時候是否能夠將上述外部的這些進行"},{"start":1316.281,"end":1334.97,"text":"整體的一個壓力測試如果多隻的黑天鵝同時發生政府現行在實際可運用的財政空間以及整個產業的一個調適工具是否足以承接台美關稅協議新增的一個義務跟潛在的一個衝擊如果有做整體的一個壓力測試"},{"start":1336.371,"end":1363.082,"text":"有沒有叫相關的報告呢好謝謝委員我們在去年4月2號美方在宣布對等關稅前後我們都做了一些產業影響評估那麼這一次在這個美國最高法院判決之後我們也進行再一次針對判決之後可能的變化又進行的產業影響評估那這個評估都在我們這個這個資料當中未來我們依照這個評估再加上"},{"start":1363.96,"end":1386.493,"text":"進一步得到美方對現在所有談判內容的確認跟確保之後我們會進行行政院內部的作業完成之後會送請大院來進行同意相關的評估報告可不可以在會後也讓我們知道一下那我想今天其實上午大家都很關心其實像中部我們的這些很多的傳產大家都能夠感受到您的關心其實我們之前也有去拜訪過"},{"start":1387.675,"end":1412.382,"text":"中科許多的廠商但是我們都希望今天早上聽好像是拱部長也有提到相關的一些關心的電話數萬通然後有辦了許多的一些關心的座談會我們還是希望不管是壓力測試的報告結果讓我們知道以外能夠再將後續的一些我們所謂的黑天鵝壓力測試以及相關的產業的評估公聽會是不是能夠多辦幾場"},{"start":1413.562,"end":1429.291,"text":"以及中部的地區能夠多關心一下我想我們中部的所有的委員也都很關心這一類議題這個部分可以承諾嗎兩個部分一個我們跟產業進行的若干的這個座談會或是關懷的座談會這個部分我們都可以提供給我們的"},{"start":1430.1,"end":1458.465,"text":"委員知道什麼時候進行了哪些產業至於這個影響的評估我認為我們需要在確定的時候那個影響的評估才出來否則會造成大家議論紛紛因為不確定會造成不必要的恐慌啦這個我們都不希望但是我想說如果能提供給我的部分的一些參考報告那這個部分再麻煩你可以嗎已經進行的過程我們會可以讓委員做報告好謝謝你那再來就是第二我們去年11月的時候在財政委員會其實我早就有善意的提醒"},{"start":1459.165,"end":1481.276,"text":"在美國最高法院就川普援引IEPAR的時候我們法案所課徵的關稅是否違憲當時就有展開辯論那時候我就有提醒請政府審慎的評估關稅談判是否應該暫緩避免所謂的法律的一個風險但是我必須要講我不是說今天你們談判的結果全部都說不對"},{"start":1481.977,"end":1505.031,"text":"在成跟敗之間我們沒有要去做一個定調但是我希望剛剛我所開宗明義就講的好可以更好所以我們希望當時間空間產生出來的時候政府應該要去利用這些所謂的空間來換以更多的一個談判機會那當然在這個過程當中你們也非常辛苦但我要講的是在野黨有講"},{"start":1506.294,"end":1526.459,"text":"我們還是希望政府能夠多聽聽連執政黨自己的人講也希望這個部分當時行政院前副院長施俊吉早就勸台美簽貿易協定的時候在等美國的最高法院來判決"},{"start":1527.85,"end":1546.476,"text":"也當時沒有特別去做聽取一個建議我們還是希望這八個字希望院長能夠指教一下我們當然有瞭解到當時社會的一些不同的意見或是各方的來各方的意見但是"},{"start":1546.909,"end":1567.161,"text":"我們考慮到當時整個談判全世界談判的氛圍以及我們第一場談判現場跟美國進行談判的過程當中這個部分請政府院長來先我們說謝謝委員我想國會的監督我們都非常尊重各界的意見指教我們也都會虛心傾聽那不過在整個各國跟美國談判過程當中"},{"start":1567.681,"end":1594.93,"text":"其實美國的訴訟程序一直在進行所以這個變數其實各國都面對那當然我們都會評估說高院判決的結果不過在這個過程當中美方政府也早已重申不論判決結果不利他們的關稅政策會延續只是他們會改變IPA替代性的這個法律工具所以各國仍然持續推進談判我國也不例外尤其我國的逆差在2024年是第六大739億"},{"start":1596.973,"end":1598.262,"text":"在去年倍增到1500億"},{"start":1599.454,"end":1627.087,"text":"所以後續談越久我方的風險是越高的那近來在高原判決之後川普總統本人跟貿易代表署格瑞爾大使等等都有對外說明那這個希望能夠在這個過渡122條款之後會有新的法律工具那屆時會這個也告訴我們會通知達成貿易夥伴國家那我們也推估沒有達成協議的國家後續面對可能301調查"},{"start":1628.388,"end":1654.141,"text":"可能會面臨更高關稅的風險我想他們的法律工具不管是122或是301我們都知道他有很多種類可以去運作他們真的方向其實會延續所以面對這樣的評估我們認為推進談判達成協議還是一個面對後續變數的一個有利基礎也因此我們今天跟委員報告說我們有信心後續透過聯繫溝通來去持續的鞏固我們已經談到的一個最佳的一個待遇"},{"start":1654.301,"end":1683.662,"text":"我想事實的提醒我們不做批判但是國人擔心的事情是產業過度集中單一市場的一個系統性風險台美關稅協議是否進一步提高台灣對單一市場整個的依存度這個也是我們所擔憂的行政院是否有提出市場分散以及供應鏈的一個多元化的一個配套策略而不是把所有的籌碼壓在美國我想這也是國人所擔憂的院長您覺得呢我們對產業的支持當中尤其經濟部所提的就有一個"},{"start":1685.21,"end":1705.488,"text":"開發國際市場往多元這個部分在當時我們在拜訪台中所有的傳產的時候這有提出但是許多的特別預算許多的傳產業者他們也擔憂在這個條件的過程當中會不會是非常的嚴苛會不會不容易申請或是窗口這部分能不能多給予輔助這個部分我們還是要希望能夠帶到我們會盡量越簡化"},{"start":1707.352,"end":1722.319,"text":"越便民越利於產業的需求因為產業是在渡難關不是給產業製造新的麻煩那當然利益良善那對於122條款150天期限後的一個變局我想政府目前有沒有什麼樣的一個預判"},{"start":1723.991,"end":1744.652,"text":"我們已經跟美方取得聯繫那1月2日是一個階段性的一個行政命令那美方後續會有接續的相關的其他法律工具例如301調查當然我也密切關注是否可能還有其他法律工具不過我們雙方聯繫的一個目標就是不論後續替代性的法律工具為何"},{"start":1745.293,"end":1774.462,"text":"那我們雙方過去談判達成的一個共識也就是台灣取得相對優勢的最大待遇我們希望能夠不變所以我們在後續聯繫就是要鞏固我們已經取得的一個談判的成果成果當然一定要守成這個部分我們絕對是無疑的我們也謝謝委員肯定這個前個階段ART相關跟MOU的談判成果是 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在中東情誼日其實卓院長在週末的時候都"},{"start":2106.555,"end":2134.597,"text":"即時的掌握整體的情勢交與各部會相關任務為什麼大家會這麼的關心我想民生經濟的物價穩定是最優先第一要務尤其牽涉到油氣供應的穩定跟價格的穩定這個都是息息相關所以我才會請卓院長跟鄭副院長真的是要謹慎以對而且要時時刻刻的掌握"},{"start":2135.357,"end":2157.725,"text":"尤其今天的股市跌了771點請問一下國安基金會開會嗎今天沒有因為我們國安基金在1月23號才退場而且他有一長時間在讓我們的股市非常的強韌目前就前幾天而言我們股市的表現還是非常好"},{"start":2158.925,"end":2183.135,"text":"一般而言這種戰爭也許他是局部短期的影響就會比較小現在我們預期他可能會有一段時間所以我們昨天的考慮是說他如果短期的就會影響比較小那如果他會持續下去尤其是今天美國跟其他國家展開比較有規模性的所謂撤僑行動所以造成我們股市也隨之有所波動所以我們會持續加強這個關注"},{"start":2184.668,"end":2200.796,"text":"這個就是我跟很多委員都在關心的因為一開始大家認為可能是短暫時間不過看到媒體報導川普他發文他也自己說可能會維持三到四週甚至會有不確定性這個不確定性就是讓國人"},{"start":2202.817,"end":2218.182,"text":"希望我們政府要做好萬全的準備各項都包含我剛剛講的物價 油氣的供應價格的穩定還有了股匯市的一個波動整個都影響到我們的信心問題"},{"start":2219.102,"end":2238.188,"text":"包括剛有提到很多國家在中東地區已經開始大規模撤僑事實上早上也有其他委員問到我們卓院長有關當地僑胞跟國人的安全問題這一個因應的措施我也希望政府一定要第一個做好安全準備第二個"},{"start":2239.008,"end":2265.726,"text":"各種不同形式的因應模式每一個方面通通都要小聲應對我想這個是希望卓院長跟我們行政院全體上下一致讓國人能夠對政府有信心能夠不變亦萬變世界的局勢在變有很多的變數不在我們的操控當中但是我們一定要有所準備所以我請卓院長跟各位"},{"start":2266.266,"end":2288.768,"text":"之前我們還沒有考慮到像這樣子所謂比較大規模或系統性的所謂要撤銷但是早上外交部在這裡講我們持續對所有在當地區所有國家的國人我們的國人保持最緊密的一些了解多少人在哪裡那下一個階段整套的計畫我就會要求外交部做出來如果進行到某一個程度的時候我們會啟動下一個計畫"},{"start":2290.134,"end":2315.223,"text":"但如果戰爭延續了一段時間對我們股匯市的一個波動的一個影響那我剛剛提到的國安基金會不會開會事實上是不是我們自己也要有心理上的準備我們會仿照過去那個經驗當股市波動到一定的程度之後我們認為國安基金如果有任何的合理的正當的意見來處理的話那麼我們會叫國安基金的委員來討論"},{"start":2316.793,"end":2334.843,"text":"要拜託卓院長大家都辛苦但是這個一定是要穩定物價穩定是最重要的各項的準備措施是要穩定民心為最要務再拜託接下來今天我們在談的台美對的貿易協定ART事實上我要給我們的談判團隊一個大大的掌聲"},{"start":2336.083,"end":2362.236,"text":"國人都非常的肯定那也真的是談出了一個好的結果15%不疊加加上232條款的優惠待遇以及在國家利益 產業利益來講對台灣來講都是談到最好的一個狀況但是因為遇到了美國最高法院的判決所以這個產生了不確定性當然我知道剛剛卓院長跟鄭副院長有回答其他的委員說"},{"start":2363.417,"end":2373.458,"text":"這個不確定性是全世界各國都同樣的遭遇不是只有台灣大家都有這個不確定性但是也就是因為全世界"},{"start":2374.839,"end":2401.017,"text":"還有台灣本身的這個不確定性的風險讓大家這個覺得是不是有一點點信心上的一個危機問題那這個我覺得產業要穩定那就必須要政府帶頭來給予最強而有力的一個一劑強心針所以我是必須要請卓院長跟正副院長我還是要再進一步來問不管再怎麼比從過去現在未來這個"},{"start":2405.24,"end":2426.075,"text":"這個暫時性的對等關稅是過去的那我們已經談定簽訂的根據122條款所有的這個現在加未來那我是想請問一下這個我們到底何時可以跟美方完成確定因為呢從早上到現在這副院長的回應一向都是說我們的現在"},{"start":2427.136,"end":2450.427,"text":"即使已經簽訂那為什麼還沒有送到立法院是因為我們還在持續跟美方確認溝通 確認我覺得這個時間長短影響很大 這第一個第二個 我們在這一個過渡時期到底跟美方談判或者是洽談的情形是什麼第三個到底預計什麼時候要送交立法院審議"},{"start":2451.883,"end":2476.918,"text":"上午卓院長回憶是說我看媒體的在我們立法院的電視上看到你在這裡回應其他委員說美國有承諾會依序與已簽約國來通知來談我就聽不懂這個依序的意思到底是什麼也許卓院長或鄭副院長可以再跟我們說明得更清楚"},{"start":2477.625,"end":2503.654,"text":"我們早上的講法是說美方的政府團隊正在研議後續的做法完成後將通知包括我國在內的已簽署貿易協議的國家我們跟一些已簽署的國家在內他完成他內部的法律途徑法律工具的變更之後他會通知這些國家一次都通知各個已簽約國家還是一個一個來"},{"start":2505.178,"end":2532.547,"text":"這個美國的做法我們當然沒有辦法我想院長跟副院長這個其實是有差異的這個差異是在於時間點因為時間拖得越久不確定性越高國人的風險意識就更高這個我覺得如果可以的話我們要想盡辦法良善全力的去溝通讓美方可以明確的告訴我們這樣子的一個"},{"start":2534.169,"end":2552.002,"text":"確定到底什麼時候可以有好的結果談判團隊跟美方已經有正式的取得密切的聯繫那這方面副院長委員報告我們之前是20加MFN那122行政命令先公佈的是10加MFN"},{"start":2553.143,"end":2569.642,"text":"當然川普總統有時候可能會提到到15那就要看他們後續進一步的公佈那122是過渡性接著會有可能301或其他那我們的確有跟美方取得聯繫包含跟USTR美國貿易代表署以及商務部都有持續聯繫溝通當中"},{"start":2571.324,"end":2600.414,"text":"現在的確取決於美方內部對於122後續他們要做比較長久性的相關法律基礎的安排他們內部正在研議當中不過他們也有表達當他們研議之後走向清楚之後會通知相關的貿易夥伴所以我想當時包含像我們台灣 日韓 歐盟等等我們取得相對優勢的國家我們當然也期待也會努力他們持續鞏固給我們相對優勢的一個最佳待遇"},{"start":2600.954,"end":2626.797,"text":"這是我方已經清楚的表達那我們就持續聯絡但美方有任何的新的訊息跟進度我們都會跟這個社會跟產業來說明所以我們努力的目標就是希望能夠在後續政策變動中鞏固到我們原來談判的成果那也在這個變動過程當中透明 公開讓產業能夠比較知道未來可能的發展來減緩不確定性以及可能的衝擊"},{"start":2627.978,"end":2647.313,"text":"對我們希望盡快不然以現在這個所謂還有為期150天那表示還有5個月那這5個月當中到底是多久到底是多快這個其實是產業界跟國人的期待我們也都有向美方表達那的確但是美方還沒決定的事情我就沒有辦法當然我們沒有辦法"},{"start":2648.013,"end":2674.474,"text":"幫他做任何的說明所以我說你很辛苦上個階段我們也是一一克服很多變數跟挑戰我想我們上個階段也是這樣子走到我們爭取到一定的成果接下來同樣的目標目的政府院長比任何一個人都更希望及早確認所有談判所得到的最佳的待遇我們能夠維持下來也比任何一個人希望更快的確定這件事情"},{"start":2674.694,"end":2690.865,"text":"雖然我說大家都很辛苦但是產業也很辛苦因為在這個等待期或是不確定的期間拖得越久產業的這個競爭力它相對的就會受到更多的影響沒錯 我們都了解過去一段時間我們產業面對的辛苦"},{"start":2692.686,"end":2711.202,"text":"所以更需要政府除了在談判在台美協定的確認上能夠速度快一點我們也希望政府的政策引導當然我要謝謝卓院長我接下來就談卓院長過去就曾經跟國人分享台中精密智慧新核心"},{"start":2711.622,"end":2731.249,"text":"我們政府有推動方案就是希望厚植我們中部的產業政策的引導資源的投入提升產業的國際競爭力這很重要扣住剛剛我們所講的在不確定性的時間過渡期如果能夠有政府的大力支持跟輔導"},{"start":2733.03,"end":2760.502,"text":"讓產業界有一個方向可循可提升自我的競爭力我想這個是我們現階段政府自己本身要做的中央有提了三大策略一個核心產業的雙軸轉型數位跟低碳的轉型一個是現有的核心再造新核心接著是希望利用法人來驅動產業創新運用AI 導入AI這三大策略基本上我予以肯定"},{"start":2760.982,"end":2784.546,"text":"但是我過去一直提醒行政院也提醒經濟部我們希望政府的投資第一個要有效運用第三個要確實到位而且希望是整個產業鏈裡面尤其我跟中部其他委員都一樣關心中部最多的機械工具機汽車五金零件手工具等等這些過去所謂的傳統產業其實他們都願意"},{"start":2787.927,"end":2810.463,"text":"科技化 數位化 智慧化能夠再造自己的競爭力這個時候需要政府大力的支持包括AI的導入事實上AI的導入很多的中小企業他們是願意的但是現在它變成內外夾擊外部的國際形勢這麼的不確定性導致他們的訂單是不是會有一個業績上的不確定性內部又面臨了"},{"start":2817.768,"end":2840.296,"text":"我對於政府的這些的支持資源我到底能不能拿得到我到底能不能跟著政府的一個輔導的力量我也可以自我提升我覺得這內外之間政府就必須要做好一個很好的什麼角色這個角色就是真的帶著他們往上提升而這個就牽涉到我現在要跟院長跟"},{"start":2842.838,"end":2857.57,"text":"副院長跟部長拜託的我們希望台中的產業創新還有三支箭第一個我剛剛講資源要到位我當然感謝朝野都支持特別預算韌性的一個支持方案投入了930億"},{"start":2859.171,"end":2876.99,"text":"我也希望台中國際會展中心的二期我們中央有支持現在還沒有動工未來也希望行政院大力支持賴總統前一次到台中會展中心一館開展的時候"},{"start":2877.41,"end":2905.854,"text":"他就提到全力的支持二期的一個建設第三個我希望產業要轉型人才也要跟著創新來培育所以強化投資 技職 教育人才這是我們必須要做的一個核心價值台灣的競爭力台中的競爭力在於人才人才的培育是一個國本所以這三支鍵我希望院長可以承諾大力的來支持台中可以嗎"},{"start":2906.294,"end":2930.437,"text":"好 這個會展中心第二期我們已經核定會經由委辦的方式應該下半年就可以展開招標的作業那培育人才當然是最重要的人才要有充裕因為台中這個就是我們傳統的精密製造中核心地帶那我們為了讓他雙軸轉型 淨零跟數位轉型所以在核心加上一個智慧化的核心讓他算為雙核心"},{"start":2952.183,"end":2954.104,"text":"好 謝謝何欣淳委員質詢 謝謝左院長 曾副院長 謝謝董部長 謝謝貝徐 謝謝"},{"start":2967.498,"end":2984.45,"text":"接下來我們請吳宗憲委員請質詢賴惠元委員請準備謝謝院長 我們麻煩院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢"},{"start":2995.578,"end":3022.839,"text":"好 院長好那個諮詢開始之前我還是先代表宜蘭的鄉親對院長表達肯定還有感謝過年那個時候院長有特別有拍板定案就是宜蘭到羅東的這個高價化的這個計畫那當然我們希望就是說今年是馬年那接下來我們可以快馬加鞭能夠趕快讓這個計畫能夠趕快促成否則那個當地這個線內的交通還是有蠻"},{"start":3023.96,"end":3048.334,"text":"蠻多大家有很多的抱怨那另外也對於這個行政團隊的感謝因為過去一年我其實我一直積極在推動幾個東西那行政團隊也給我蠻多的幫助就像那個國道5號那個東山交流道還有這個南方澳漁港的那個漁船上架場的設置行政團隊其實都有給予蠻多協助的這個部分先謝謝院長那另外對於這一次那個基層經貿談判團隊在美國壓力下"},{"start":3050.615,"end":3053.544,"text":"那還能夠盡力的為台灣爭取一些"},{"start":3054.42,"end":3080.061,"text":"那個空間這部分我們當然是也是要予以對於這個辛勞給予肯定這部分先跟院長報告那院長我想今天我們提到我們來談這個ART的事情那依據這個條約締結法我國條約締結法那這個ART那個台美對等貿易協定這個本來就是要送到立法院審查所以今天我們才會一起在這個地方那這個當然也是國會實質審查的一環"},{"start":3081.6,"end":3106.487,"text":"這次比較意外的就是說美國司法對於IPA的違憲美方現在又改用這1974的貿易法案第122條的這有關臨時關稅的徵收甚至現在還有說法就是說可能會上調到15所以當然立法委員的立場我們當然是要替全國人民把關"},{"start":3107.489,"end":3124.194,"text":"那院長在2月21號你們的官網有寫到這個臨時性的關稅10%這個部分你們認為說衝擊影響有限而且你們都會持續的關注當然你們還有再提到就是說將來我們可能還會面臨到"},{"start":3125.853,"end":3151.283,"text":"301條款或是232條款的這些問題所以等於是外部的風險以及非常多的不確定性都還在持續的上升那美國他們的法源也在翻轉中但是你也是一直呼籲說國人要相信美方相信這個協議會被尊重那在我的立場我當然會擔心說我們會不會搞到最後這個對等變成是美國說了算美國說了就叫做對等"},{"start":3152.023,"end":3170.683,"text":"這是我的擔心這是我對於未來的擔心那再來就是您的報告也寫得很清楚就是美方還在研議中研議完會通知我們那不就代表目前還沒有一個具體的做法他們的具體做法我們還不知道那現在如果說要我們相信或叫國會背書"},{"start":3171.724,"end":3194.597,"text":"那我也會擔心說那這個是對等嗎這個會不會是更高的一個風險所以我們今天一直講說我們要相信美方我們要積極爭取但是這個部分我是希望能夠提供您希望您能夠就兩個部分能夠再用力再給我們一些答覆但第一個在目前LRT的基礎上面有沒有把10%這個部分還有"},{"start":3197.779,"end":3222.858,"text":"上調到15%將來有可能性這個臨時關稅上調15%或者是有可能轉向301對中長期的這個風險情境的評估一起納入這個產業的衝擊報告的評估裡面因為我看到你們有提到有智庫那這個部分我想這幾個情境的風險還是要讓國人知道好不好這個部分要請人要做到"},{"start":3224.892,"end":3251.249,"text":"第二個就是說這個對等的意思啊如果是將來美方如果違反這個協定的話那我們的我們的底牌在哪裡我們有什麼武器可以因應我們的反制工具是什麼那這個反制工具多久內可以啟動這個部分也是我所希望知道的那到底我要來確認一下我們這個ART到底有沒有如同他的名詞所說的是一個對等"},{"start":3252.657,"end":3277.547,"text":"我是比較在意這個部分因為我看了一下那個經濟日報的社論其實他有提到他是說什麼台灣跟ART期存在一些誤判的問題而且這是很多產業界擔心的因為他們總是擔心說一下拉高這一下提高那個會不會將來他的利潤會被吃乾媽淨這個是大家所擔心的沒關係我等一下會把一些問題提出來"},{"start":3279.418,"end":3305.119,"text":"再來就是我們這次那個協定的7.4條的第二項其實有一個這個你們看一下那個PowerPoint上面有他其實有提到這是協定的內容其實不應限制或以其他方式阻礙一方代表或領域或當局為糾正不公平貿易的行為應進行的進口激增等等這些"},{"start":3308.8,"end":3325.345,"text":"類似你們看這個文字好了我就不再念出來那這個問題是出在說因為這個第二項寫的很清楚不應阻礙或那個限制一方代表那這個一方就代表不是只有美方我方也可以嘛對不對我想這個很清楚"},{"start":3325.945,"end":3353.423,"text":"對不對 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這個不是我的問題嘛我一直說一方是代表美方跟中華民國我是說我方可以採取什麼樣的動作嗎我方就是說當我們認為美國的產品有進口激增的時候我們可以採取WTO上下的救濟措施例如進口限制或是Safeguard或是Antidumping或Subsidy他講的是這種"},{"start":3456.22,"end":3482.592,"text":"我方仍然保有我國國內法律保護我國受公平貿易的相關的法律的所以我今天就是在問這個問題就是說我方到底有什麼樣的反制措施嗎那因為美方的話我們現在動不動就聽到美方說有301232等等的很多的武器要來面對對付其他國家那我才會問說那依據這個第二項所提到的我們會有什麼樣的措施可以提出"},{"start":3483.052,"end":3496.341,"text":"那除了你們剛講的那有沒有相關的法律我們的法院依據是什麼有 我們有進口救濟措施在經濟部還有財政部都有貿易法貿易法相關都有相關的條文"},{"start":3497.253,"end":3525.359,"text":"好那這個部分其實我回歸我國國內的法律所以我今天不是來問大家考大記憶力不是問導大我只是把我的疑問提出來請你們回覆所以當然你們誰要出來解釋我都非常的樂意主外一方代表指的是the other party就是指的對方主外的時候我方就沒有啦我了解啦我說一方是指兩邊都可以嘛所以美方一直在新聞上面提供他們301等等那我也要知道我方有什麼我想"},{"start":3526.339,"end":3552.712,"text":"這個必須要告訴全國人民我們到底還有什麼東西因為我看到就是天下雜誌他有整理到就是說美國貿易代表他有講了說還甚至可以提到15%然後他可以那個有足夠的時間讓政府去整齊提動301條款那我也要知道我們有什麼東西可以因應那像這樣子的啟動大概都需要花多少時間有沒有什麼SOP我做我國"},{"start":3554.665,"end":3580.236,"text":"依照我們的貿易法的相關的規定如果要採取進口救濟的話業者可以提出來 政府也可以自行但是要經過一定的時間的調查調查時間大概多久這個我一下忘記 應該至少一定要6個月以上好 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這個是公家委託委託這個智庫去做的嘛這個提供給國會這個應該不是什麼智慧財產權的問題啊但是就是說我看看可以揭露到什麼地步我們盡可能可以公佈的部分全部公佈"},{"start":3855.748,"end":3876.589,"text":"不然你還是盡快給我啦好不好盡快反正你們如果一直沒有給我可能就只好請我去跟你們要那當然你說那個後續的部分因為美方那邊動作還沒有完成那你說不知道那我當然可以接受啊但是可以的部分我還是要先去弄清楚到底這些智庫講了什麼那最後其實我還要再跟你們提一個點其實其實像"},{"start":3877.389,"end":3894.158,"text":"我國也是有很多相關的國內的法律譬如說我們關稅法70條它其實有一些規範我們可以去因應就我剛講的7.4的第二項裡面我國到底有什麼樣的法律依據可以用其實像剛剛你們講的很清楚"},{"start":3894.818,"end":3913.445,"text":"那另外呢 我覺得我們的關稅法也有提到所以相關的因應總是我們要讓人民知道這是一個對等這是一個對等的協定不是說美方說了算所以麻煩一下這幾個東西都能夠把我放到你們的評估報告裡面然後盡快能夠給我 好不好好 謝謝吳宗憲委員 子昀謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長 國務部長 貝群 謝謝"},{"start":3924.557,"end":3933.992,"text":"接下來我們質詢的委員賴會員我們質詢完畢之後我們將會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後再請賴世保委員準備質詢我們現在請賴會員委員請質詢"},{"start":3949.366,"end":3969.289,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝主席有請院長跟經濟部長跟農業部部長麻煩再請卓院長 經濟部 國務部長備詢是 謝謝院長副院長不用副院長因為一路以來談判都非常的辛苦副院長很辛苦 請坐副院長是 院長需要"},{"start":3974.25,"end":3998.789,"text":"內委好是 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部長這個Aplus計畫是不是只有受限於就是一個大的企業還是說這個中小企業就像你講的我們打群戰其實也是我們國家也是一樣會支持對 它要有一個主體性的企業然後這個主體企業它可以難掛住它很多的供應鏈廠商一起來做那我們也歡迎但是"},{"start":4289.716,"end":4298.798,"text":"Aplus計畫主要是針對研發的部分來支持如果說像其他的它要帶整個"},{"start":4299.761,"end":4322.771,"text":"整個國家隊也好或整個團隊出去經營國際市場那我們有另外的計畫來支持他們是 我想部長就是說我們一定有信心就是說政府會帶著產業打贏國際盃可是我們現在擔心的就是說這些產業會不會只落在科技產業AI產業 機器人產業而其他的產業我們就把它疏忽了"},{"start":4323.471,"end":4345.411,"text":"會不會是這樣子報告委員事實上我們那個930億支持方案當然我們經濟部分配到的額度是460億這460億絕大部分可以講90%以上都是用在傳統性產業跟種小企業所以90%是用在傳產因為232的部分比較沒有受到一些影響受到影響的就是"},{"start":4346.161,"end":4371.797,"text":"我們剛剛提到的所謂的傳統性產業也好或中小型企業也好那個部分我們的資源大部分是用在這邊還有就是說 院長我們其實也擔心說122條的條款到期了150天到期了我們怎麼還換301跟388的一個條款的衝擊這個倒是就是說我想就是從早上到現在院長也講了很多很多"},{"start":4373.057,"end":4391.014,"text":"當然我們比較擔心的就是除了我們是農業縣市以外在這個農業上的一個對等關稅的一個協助那也相對的就是要請教院長說會不會像歐盟就是暫緩這個四個月就是我們先慢一點來審議會不會有這樣的一個結果"},{"start":4392.014,"end":4416.65,"text":"現在大多數的國家大多數的國家都希望依照原來的談妥的協議內容來繼續生效那美方因為現在他必須就他國內的法律途徑法律工具做調整那現在又發生了這個中東事件的衝突我認為會分散一點注意的時間跟力量但是我認為能夠儘快的定案還是我們最高的上策"},{"start":4417.49,"end":4434.108,"text":"所以我希望我們能夠儘快跟美方取得一個如何的共識點他如何來印證說未來雙方所談妥的這些協議內容會繼續有效他只是變更他裡面的法律工具法律途徑如果我們拿到這樣的部分我想請大院也能夠"},{"start":4434.998,"end":4456.293,"text":"緊迫的合理的審慎這樣的工具對照起來能不能讓這個談判的效果及早的生效我方生效美方也生效雙方就能夠進到一個穩定的關稅狀態當中好謝謝院長那你就講得非常的清楚嘛你希望快這是盡快的來就是做這樣子的一個執行面的一個協議這個是"},{"start":4457.694,"end":4478.426,"text":"我們行政院所做的一個準備接著我想就是說跟農業部長做一個探討這300億的農安基金是不是有辦法來迎戰我們台美對等關稅未來就是說在整個農業不管是從進口我們先從進口開始來講"},{"start":4479.466,"end":4506.108,"text":"就是米尤其我們台南其實我們台南的米就是非常的多那我們也謝謝就是談判團隊守住了這一個稻米的延稅率那非常感謝可是一樣我們就是對稻米進口關稅其實我們長期的一個關心在這裡我希望說部長你可以很明確的講出來對於這一個米你可以做更深入的一個怎麼樣的協助"},{"start":4507.009,"end":4528.554,"text":"因為這是一個機會對 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百工百業都是最好的所以我請教一下院長那副院長可以再補充第一個 我們需要多久時間來跟美方來確認我們所談好的這個ART跟MOU一樣有效其實這個談判團隊跟美方在"},{"start":6659.955,"end":6688.475,"text":"美國最高法院判決之後到現在已經取得了密切的聯繫證明這種聯繫是持續在進行當中的副院長也在這種聯繫當中持續一再的要求美方盡快能夠確認到雙方已經談定的這個協議內容要繼續有效但美方調整在國內的法律工具之後他必須出去一個讓我們可以注意證明繼續有效的一個很清楚的說法"},{"start":6688.82,"end":6690.294,"text":"我們才能跟國會提出來"},{"start":6690.919,"end":6718.812,"text":"那這樣的過程現在還在進行當中那會不會因為說這個IEPA無效之後影響到說我們已經談定的這個232絕對沒有影響232沒有影響我說這個我們的ART會不會受到影響ART現在有一些影響就是我們有一些不要說關稅15不疊加變成10疊加這個雖然數字降低了可是我們跟我們競爭國家之間的微妙變化是存在的另外有一些部分是他全球豁免本來單對"},{"start":6720.333,"end":6736.336,"text":"單對我們豁免在全球豁免我們的優勢也被吃掉了一些部分另外一部分是對我們有豁免的部分他現在取消了變成沒有部分變成10加MFN那這個部分如果調整到原來的ART內容的話我們就回到原來最有競爭力的模式裡面"},{"start":6736.536,"end":6765.525,"text":"那有機會繼續維持住本來的談判的結果嗎確認這個事情我跟委員報告第一個232取得優惠不受影響還不受影響對 那第二我們原來談到的ART的談判成果我們希望鞏固那所以我們跟美方聯繫的過程當中美方也告訴我們其實122是過渡性的這個措施那我們當然知道產業面對122現在時加每一分未來會不會變動的確有不確定感我們是感同身受"},{"start":6766.065,"end":6785.991,"text":"但是我們的確會在過渡措施過程當中跟美方緊密保持聯繫未來要真正面對的是後續美方替代性的法律工具不論是301或其他的法律工具之下它取代原來的AEPA的法源基礎但是雙方我們仍然期待維繫ART的一個談判成果"},{"start":6786.431,"end":6807.882,"text":"我想這是雙方的態度那美方政府其實也對公開說明說他們現在會在未來他們既有的貿易法的基礎下實現跟各國的協議內容這是他最新的發言這是我們的優勢因為我們已經談好了我們已經談好ART譬如說2072項的豁免譬如說我們本來15不疊加我們所謂很重要不疊加是取得跟FTA國"},{"start":6809.563,"end":6832.368,"text":"立足點相同的公平競爭也就是相對優勢的一個最佳待遇我們希望未來美方一二二之後過渡新的法律工具下依然給我們具相對優勢的最佳待遇這就是我溝通的目標所以我們正在緊密溝通中那包含我想那美方目前為止釋放出來的訊息您覺得怎麼樣有沒有朝我們想要的目標來前進"},{"start":6833.248,"end":6852.739,"text":"我想我這邊能夠說說我身為台灣的台辦代表我全力以赴我也有信心來鞏固我們的台辦成果現在就是說是不是要等美方那邊確定之後我們的不管是ART或是說MOU再一起送到立法院來做審議"},{"start":6854.136,"end":6880.812,"text":"我想應該我們必須要跟美方進一步確認我們的關稅優惠待遇之後明確化之後我們就會進一步將ART以及MOU還有影響評估就是要等待跟美方在談完之後做完一些調整之後再送來嘛對不對因為他們關稅優惠的法律基礎發生了變化所以他們也正在建立替代性的法律工具所以我們要進一步跟他確定未來的法律框架的安排"},{"start":6881.212,"end":6905.902,"text":"以及我們當然是要確保我們取得的談判成果所以就是說之前已經談妥了因為現在他們的法律依據已經有變化了只是根據法律依據的做變化我是個人推估他們後續的一二過渡之後後續的法律工具應該某種程度應該要反映原來的談判成果至於沒有達成協議的國家他們可能後續面對301調查可能會面臨相對比較大的風險就是說我們的變數應該會比較小對 我們是一個有利基礎"},{"start":6909.423,"end":6926.095,"text":"我們已經談定了嘛所以我們變數應該會比較小但是要送來立法院審議的也是要跟美國新的在談判之後或是說內容在做調整之後聯繫溝通然後美方會建立替代性的法律依據那明確化之後我們就會送大院來審議"},{"start":6927.356,"end":6946.08,"text":"所以這個不是重新談判這不是重新談判就是說我們就內容再去跟他們做確認因為我們取得的是上一階段談判取得是我們認為相對優勢的最佳待遇所以我們並不是所謂重新談判而是要在聯繫溝通中去確保我們取得的談判成果"},{"start":6947.096,"end":6960.828,"text":"如果萬一在野黨對於我們談完之後重新談完之後的不論是ART或是MOU他們有意見的話那會對台灣造成什麼樣的影響"},{"start":6962.601,"end":6989.015,"text":"今天我看很多位的委員不論是各個黨派的委員其實都認為說這個ART裡面十五不疊加的相對優勢其實是台灣傳統產業農業我們可以取得的提升競爭力的一個好的結果所以我相信只要我們鞏固了這樣談判結果送交大院我們是非常期待大院能夠通過來予以生效因為我們當初這個ART跟MOU其實是綁在一起談的對 並談 對等232並談"},{"start":6991.255,"end":7018.671,"text":"所以你今天不可能說我們這個只要這個MOU232對我們這個半導體高科技產業好然後對於這個Alt我們就覺得說這個談的有問題我們就不要就不可能這樣子所以我們當時台美就是對等跟232並談我們是一起談的高科技傳統產業跟農業在國際競爭力的一個相對優勢我想我們努力達到這個目標我們當然現在也是要鞏固這個我們各類產業都能夠"},{"start":7021.211,"end":7035.658,"text":"確定取得相對優勢的一個最佳待遇那232是最惠待遇那對成農產業跟農業我們取得的是逆差國中的一個最佳待遇尤其我們的原來取得的不疊加是讓我們米平了過去有"},{"start":7036.378,"end":7064.032,"text":"跟美國FTA國家我們差距人家的一個MFN就像以前我們的從商產業在競爭的時候好像是腳上綁一個沙袋就是比人家高了一個MFN但是在原來的談判成果是不疊加以後這個的差異就消失了就有立足公平的一個競爭所以我們未來在不管他新的法律如何安排我們都希望能夠繼續鞏固我們原來所取得的一個相對優勢的一個最佳待遇所以我現在很擔心就是說在野黨有些人說要重新談判"},{"start":7064.992,"end":7092.508,"text":"重新談判搞不好連已經談好的232我們有關這個高科技半導體的MOU都一起都會有影響一起受到這個連帶的一個影響我是希望說如果這段期間能夠再繼續再維持說我們這個跟美國談定的這個Art這個範圍裡面那當然是最好其實當初談出來的時候在野黨其實他們大部分也都認為說這已經談得很好了也都給我們這個"},{"start":7093.604,"end":7113.847,"text":"行政院 談判團隊都給予肯定今天不要為了說對ART認為說美國IEP有問題了結果連帶的影響到我們已經談定了232有關MOU的一些簽訂今天包括委員在內一早上到現在十多位各黨派的委員在這裡提出的"},{"start":7114.668,"end":7136.166,"text":"我想會讓我們深具信心因為大家對232我們獲得的最優惠的待遇原來就已經知道這是很好的一個成果現在對Art所爭取到的15%不疊加這樣的一個過程今天早上到現在大家都持肯定的態度這個我會認為對未來我們將Art以及MOU並送國會的時候應該"},{"start":7138.464,"end":7159.927,"text":"前途一片光明在這但是我們現在努力的是趕快確保這個內容談判的內容美方跟我們繼續遵守確認他給我們一個很明確的說法我想有國會的支持你們在跟美方談的時候我想也會增加一些籌碼我們非常感謝委員對我們談判成果的一個肯認"},{"start":7160.56,"end":7181.046,"text":"好 那我們這副院長先請回接下來我請我們這個卓院長今天的這個程序委員會終於把這個行政院版的這個軍購特別條例至少在程序委員會有過關了那有機會在這個禮拜五就是複為審查但是現在國民黨他們的版本有很多種有3500億最低的那有可能要高到8000億左右"},{"start":7182.674,"end":7205.872,"text":"那不管怎麼樣我認為國家安全是不能打折扣的那現在有兩個問題請教這個院長如果最後送來的這個國民黨的版本是鄭麗文的這個版本只有3500億那對於國家的安全會造成怎樣的傷害如果是有這樣的版本出現我一看到我會非常的遺憾因為在1.25兆的特別預算跟條例當中我們"},{"start":7206.863,"end":7232.739,"text":"清楚的告訴國人我們有三大目標一個就是台灣之盾那個整個台灣安全的很關鍵的力量設施另外一個就是用AI高科技導入一個擊殺鏈的一個整個新的新式武器第三個很重要的是國防相關聯的國防軍工產業那無論切到哪一塊都不是一個整套的國家安全體系所需要的有人說"},{"start":7234.621,"end":7261.378,"text":"國防安全體系這一塊要變做以後的年度預算但是我們認為國防安全體系可以讓我們的國內的產業急速的升級而且是有計劃的在8年內快速的朝向一個世界先進的國防產業裡面的升級如果變到年度預算當中又要產生其他的排擠作用所以還是要懇請大院依照行政院院版1.25兆的國防預算"},{"start":7261.963,"end":7281.601,"text":"預算的這個特別條例跟特別預算內容能夠審查單裡面適當跟不適當予以合理的審查做若干合理的調整我們都能夠合理的來討論但是如果一切把它切到只剩下三分之一對我們整體的架構會產生非常大的影響我們看現在的這個戰爭的發展"},{"start":7282.947,"end":7300.185,"text":"又要保護自己又要有適度的環境的能力同時當自主的國防沒有辦法實現的時候依靠外來的整個力量到時候會產生很大的斷層跟落差所以我希望這三點能夠同時達到因為從剛剛的關稅跟我現在問的軍購"},{"start":7303.993,"end":7333.492,"text":"其實它有相同的背景就是說不論是軍購或是說關稅我們跟美方都已經有談定了現在就是說如果我們跟美方已經有談定了但是在野黨它有不同的意見然後要推翻我們跟美方不論是軍購或是說關稅都談得非常久然後就是說到了立法院之後在野黨不同意見把它推翻了我相信對於台灣跟美國的關係也會受到影響當然所以我說國防不能夠打折扣的"},{"start":7334.179,"end":7358.034,"text":"打三折打三分之一那就不成原形所以我是認為1.25兆的國防預算合理的審查就內容我是要求國防部提出清楚的說明來據理力爭講到讓委員能夠來支持也讓美國可以及時的提供給我們這些先進的AI設計的這個武器讓我們能夠除了自保我們更有能力發展自己的國防軍工產業"},{"start":7359.11,"end":7376.133,"text":"好 剩下最後一點時間我問一下因為現在就是說美國打伊朗如果按照美國總統川普的說法可能會延續到四週大家就很關心說我們的能源問題因為我們現在如果按照台灣基金研究院的估算"},{"start":7376.781,"end":7400.19,"text":"石油庫存大概可以支撐120天那天然氣比較少天然氣大概僅大概11天左右那如果是在這種情況之下因為我們有60%的石油跟超過1%33%左右的天然氣需要經過現在有可能會被伊朗封鎖的這個荷姆斯的海峽那我想請問一下行政院有沒有短期跟長期的這個規劃跟替代方案"},{"start":7401.279,"end":7428.608,"text":"還有3月底會召開這個電價會議會不會受到影響電價會不會受到影響我們就最近一個月當中的所有的LNG的提供運送我們做了比較周延的一個規劃3月份不會受到影響我們現在以這個目標往後當然要持續馬上進行加序了要確保4月以後的這個對電價會不會有影響電價當然要加入電價審議委員會因為4月的時候到現在整個變化還在"},{"start":7436.377,"end":7451.864,"text":"好 謝謝李崑禎委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來徐益臻委員質詢完畢之後王定宇委員改書面質詢我們要請王弘威委員請準備現在請徐益臻委員請質詢謝謝院長 我們請卓榮泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢"},{"start":7473.835,"end":7501.824,"text":"徐委員好 主委長好主委長這段時間以來因為行政院一直以我們這次談判的一個重大突破跟強調它的成果跟紅利但是當然針對這個部分的話政策的評價我想不是只有我們自己的大內宣應該還要回歸到我們雙方的條文本身是不是權力義務能夠對等還有風險是不是可以控管"},{"start":7502.591,"end":7528.102,"text":"因為其實我們看到這49頁的文本ART這49頁的文本我們可以看到其中有很多呈現的不是單純的這個關稅互惠而是多項足以影響我國主權的這個政策彈性的安排那許多條款在過去的經貿條款談判中也確實鮮少見到首先的話我們先來談談這個國防的部分"},{"start":7528.715,"end":7555.865,"text":"因為第五點四條我們可以看到第三項會將國防的年度預算應高於GDP的3%納入我們協議的文本那國防的預算本來就應該依照我們的安全情勢財政狀況跟我們國會審議的一個決定但是現在是透過貿易協定的方式予以拘束也限縮了我們未來政府的一個財政的一個編列的彈性跟我們立法監督的一個空間"},{"start":7556.892,"end":7562.46,"text":"那我们来看一下3%的GDP大概如果看起来大概至少要新台币8500亿元"},{"start":7564.318,"end":7593.75,"text":"那我們可以看一下我們115年度的這個軍事預算的組成因為我們用的是歐盟的這個計算方式所以我們可以看到包括國防部以及三項特別預算的退伏會海巡署跟非營業特種基金大概是9495億那未來美國如果不同意用歐盟的計算方式的話我們可能要扣掉退伏會的1064億那還有包括新式戰機跟海空戰力提升這兩項因為今年就會執行完畢"},{"start":7594.434,"end":7614.283,"text":"再扣掉這兩項之後大概只剩7700億左右那也就是說我們的公務預算未來還要再增加800億元才能夠達到8500億的規模所以想要編列到3%的GDP也勢必會影響到不管是教育 社福或者是這個農業經濟以及基礎建設的資源所以要"},{"start":7619.266,"end":7641.615,"text":"那也讓我們這些年度預算是會受到外部的一個作用那也會削弱我們立法院審議跟這個財政自主的本身那所以國防支出應該是要依照我們的戰略需求跟財政能力來做一個彈性的調整但是像這樣子在商務協議中被寫死那放在商務的這個協議裡合理嗎"},{"start":7643.989,"end":7669.383,"text":"我們剛剛看到的文字的內容也應該清楚的看到它是TECO跟AIT宣誓一致這個宣誓一致表示我們是已經達到了我們已經達到了所以我們宣誓說我們已經達到了3%因為94 95這個數字已經達到了3.32我們已經達到了但未來會達到嗎未來我想隨著我剛剛提到這個國家財政的能力跟國防的需求"},{"start":7671.633,"end":7686.608,"text":"3%再往上增加看看我們的需求有多少我們的能力的支銷多少因為你現在在協議文本裡面是寫寫清楚就是要至少要3%嘛對不對對那未來如果沒有辦法達到是不是就先說我們自己的一個財政的一個編列"},{"start":7687.268,"end":7716.366,"text":"國防支出的財政編列的一個能力那我們接下來再看一下我是不是跟委員做一點點補充因為這個條文其他載明是一個我們談判前已經發生的事實也就是我國賴清德總統在去年的3月就已經宣示了這樣的一個國防預算的目標那談判是4月以後才開始的所以這個條文是一個載明我國已經總統宣示的一個目標跟事實所以未來也是會這樣子嗎沒有 這只是一個說跟我們所宣布的目標"},{"start":7717.507,"end":7727.216,"text":"這樣的一個事實宰民在條文裡面那如果說剛剛我提到這樣一個狀況勢必可能也會有一些排擠到其他預算的一個狀況的時候那我們要怎麼樣來去因應排擠"},{"start":7730.237,"end":7750.423,"text":"報告委員 我們目前的確我們的國防預算就已經是朝這個目標在變略我們已經也向特別條例送到大院我們也希望 懇請大院能夠支持我們國防的特別條例就是我剛剛提到這個部分我是覺得那至於為什麼要在這個經貿所以這個是基於國家的國防安全的目標對 那為什麼要在經貿的協議當中就加上這個加上我們的這個國防的預算"},{"start":7756.248,"end":7777.547,"text":"這個是一個宰民事實我想這個只是表達說目前世界各國沒有這樣子吧我國自己已經有這樣的一個目標另外我再請教一下就是在這個第5.1條裡面當美國以經濟安全為由制裁某國時台灣收到通知後必須要跟緊所以我們可以看到就是"},{"start":7778.303,"end":7802.078,"text":"這樣的做法等於將我國是否對第三方採取貿易制裁的這個決策跟美方行動是綁定而且根據這個條款的話現在美國一直講說要制裁歐盟那如果他制裁歐盟的話我們也要跟進嗎這個我想在條文裡有這樣子的一個狀況那另外呢我再請院長看一下下面這張表就是"},{"start":7806.248,"end":7831.853,"text":"針對我們這個協議裡面的5.2條第三項台灣的出口管制要跟美國的FDPR保持一致未來美國的商務部如果他隨時修改這些規則我們台灣也必須要自動跟進未來如果損擊到台積電或是其他半導體大廠的重大利益時我們就沒有說部的權利只能當美國法律的執行窗口對台灣的廠商也非常的不公平"},{"start":7832.421,"end":7835.095,"text":"那另外我們也可以看到在這個3.2條的第三項"},{"start":7837.267,"end":7864.574,"text":"就是有關醫藥主權就是未來只要經過美國FDA許可的我們就可以作為藥品在台上市那事實上我們都知道東方人跟西方人不管在基因在代謝上有所差異這個是醫學常識那現在美國FDA如果通過核准的就可以在台灣上市而不要需要經過這個人體的試驗或任何臨床試驗的話未來如果發生這樣子的一個這個爭議的話"},{"start":7867.114,"end":7889.716,"text":"FDA會負責嗎尤其是過去在美國我們也曾經出過在美國通過卻在亞洲引發致命心律不整的這樣的一個案例那未來這樣的一個狀況的話誰要負責跟委員報告其實在這次談判中美國是對各國在談判那美國對許多國家都有提供ART這樣的一個這個各個條文的framework一起談"},{"start":7890.296,"end":7919.363,"text":"但是所以其實很多條件你可以比較各國所談出來的也就是說各國都會放棄這樣的健康主權嗎在FDA的部分其實是FDA所許可作為我方審查的一個充分證據所以我方仍然保有相關的一個所以未來還是可以有人體試驗還是可以有臨床試驗是嗎這個我們請部長可以來進一步說明跟委員說明這個美方跟我們的產品之間其實它是有區隔性所以我們它進來的大概都是比較高階的"},{"start":7920.353,"end":7936.938,"text":"那麼在為了讓這個加速審查其實我們早就有一些加速審查的機制對於過去在一些我們認可的國家像FDA美國FDA或者是日本歐盟我現在就是要代表大家就是事宜的部分就是說未來是不是"},{"start":7937.418,"end":7957.474,"text":"就是只要美國FTA這上市的就是最後到我們國家來我們還是可以我們還是可以經過人體試驗跟臨床試驗是嗎我們會去檢視是不是有人種差異性對 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韓國 新加坡是一致的那現在我們放棄了就百分之百的這個主批查驗跟儲箱查驗這個部分是不是會造成更多的輸入的管理我們從源頭包含茶廠包含系統性查驗這個都還是照做的"},{"start":8242.139,"end":8266.291,"text":"那另外在這個條文他規範的是什麼補充補長就是說我們的這個在四大不變就是民間品項維持不變原產地標示不變校園優先採購國產不變以及食安管理機制不變就是源頭邊境後市場管理機制不變那原來因為他是不能進來的品項所以採用竹箱竹坯"},{"start":8267.412,"end":8285.349,"text":"那現在我們要回歸一般的我們的邊境的查驗所以我們還是有邊境查驗的程序所以我想這個部分就是剛剛部長講的這個部分我想部長在這個源頭邊境因為源頭就去茶廠系統性茶盒那為什麼要放棄像以前這樣百分之百的這個豬批查驗為什麼"},{"start":8286.53,"end":8314.215,"text":"因為就是回歸我們的既有的常態性的管理只是說我們常態性的管理的法規他沒有說一定要完全載明在我們的協議裡面但是在法規裡面都有其實也要代表我想所有全國的父母都非常擔心未來這樣子不管萊豬 藍牛會不會進入到這個營養午餐會不會進入到校園還有基改食品是會進入校園基改不會進入校園這個部分是大家現在非常擔心的疑慮因為很多的萊豬 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絕對不是真的太重要了今天我看到聯合報有一個投書也許大家沒有看到叫做王博元如果台灣科技界跟半導體界都知道他是響噹噹的人物他還是我們工研院的院士"},{"start":9185.546,"end":9208.671,"text":"就是幾十年來半導體產業很多人從李國鼎先生開始引進人才以及關鍵產業我們是一點一滴的把我們台灣半導體產業直視界的牛耳但是現在美國總統川普總統他一而再再而三的說我們是金面小偷"},{"start":9209.591,"end":9229.928,"text":"所以我們偷走了美國的晶片所以我們台灣的半導體是偷來的我覺得適可忍 屬不可忍今天王伯源的意思就是他覺得這個事情是絕對不能讓它成為全世界大家誤以為台灣半導體業是偷來的"},{"start":9232.19,"end":9243.761,"text":"我知道剛才我有看到賴思寶委員請兩位聲明就是我們不是晶片小偷我知道你們也有做這個聲明所以院長"},{"start":9245.598,"end":9262.506,"text":"即便是貴為川普總統但是他一而再再而三的講出假訊息污衊台灣半導體業我們該抗議的時候是不是該抗議我們該證明的時候是不是該證明具體的事實是現在全世界各國都會向台灣"},{"start":9264.29,"end":9282.652,"text":"採購他們所需要的半導體晶片如果我們這個途徑是不合法的我想我們沒有世界上這樣的地位也不可能有這樣的競爭力我們是從過去你說的那幾位重要的人士一點一滴到現在產業的自主研發才有現在的先進製程這麼好的良率"},{"start":9283.913,"end":9309.808,"text":"所以您這個話我們都數次跟美方表達台灣的半導體是數十年來台灣能努力至今的成果所以我才會說這次談判我的感受就是世界看好台灣 需要台灣沒有錯 所以絕對川普總統的假訊息我們真的要蓋成心 一定要澄清另外因為我剩下一點點時間"},{"start":9311.674,"end":9336.879,"text":"這個有關於因為之前一直在講包含賴總統都說希望國會趕快審就是我們立法院趕快審但是我們審什麼因為到現在沒有進來根本連送都沒有送進來另外全世界我也去查了其實世界各國除了像日本他的審查是比較快的但是包含歐盟歐盟還在審歐盟現在是"},{"start":9338.119,"end":9342.421,"text":"現在是暫停審查因為他也是說我也不曉得現在到底是怎麼樣韓國也還在審好"},{"start":9375.751,"end":9383.037,"text":"好 謝謝王宏威委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長 貝勳 謝謝我們接下來邱志偉委員質詢結束之後我們將會休息10分鐘我們請邱志偉委員請質詢"},{"start":9402.318,"end":9428.831,"text":"好 謝謝主席是不是請行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢這個會兩種截然不同的資訊風格我風格大概是比較理性比較溫暖好 這個先從您的報告結語Page 19"},{"start":9431.678,"end":9443.964,"text":"從19頁您的結語來看第一個問題請教卓院長您的結語提到過去一年即使面對國際局勢變化全體國人百工百業共同努力經濟成長率8.63%出口達到6407.5億美金"},{"start":9451.832,"end":9476.119,"text":"在一個相對險峻的一個產業經營環境一個國際貿易環境我們依然能夠達到經濟成長到8 接近9在世界是名列前茅最起碼亞洲第一吧超越日韓也是15年來我們的最高是啊所以出口是以創歷年來的新高面對過去一年險峻的經營環境跟國際貿易形勢的變動情況之下"},{"start":9480.908,"end":9502.616,"text":"新的一年我認為是相對和緩雖然依然嚴峻 變數依然存在相對和緩度對於新的一年 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你看這個談判歷程你會覺得很感動一個化不可能為可能一個化把最不利的條件變成最有利的條件如果換成別的談判團隊不可能到這種成果所以我們要給他好彩 要鼓勵他們精神讓我們覺得非常感動"},{"start":9874.622,"end":9894.076,"text":"所以早上我也說了我們除了對談判協議的內容得到最優惠的待遇我們感到非常慶幸之外我們也真的向國人展現我們是最專業的談判團隊所以真的以你們為榮然後這個ART的成果就是說15%不疊加另外這個2072項2072項蘇美產品豁免對等關稅"},{"start":9900.2,"end":9921.171,"text":"那這個有沒有受到影響我想一定受到影響這有部分受到影響那受到影響他反映在哪裡反映在這個2月24號122條款他加徵現在目前是10%加疊加嘛共計150天150天就是5個月從2月20號公佈5個月就是到7月24號對不對"},{"start":9924.669,"end":9931.51,"text":"他是暫行性的關稅7月24號到期之後他有說會提高到15%"},{"start":9934.985,"end":9957.253,"text":"美國川普總統已經宣布說要到15%但是還沒有進一步的生效可預期在不久的未來可能會到15%這也是階段性的安排這個部分會影響到我們這個豁免的這個項目裡面豁免的項目裡面我們短掃了大概有400-500項總共剩下1649項豁免的這個項目"},{"start":9961.84,"end":9985.487,"text":"大概少了400多家 豁免的部分就是原來是針對我國豁免的項目有些他現在是開放全世界的豁免所以我們相對競爭性就不見另外有一部分是對我們豁免的他現在取消了豁免我們變成10家MFN所以我們競爭性也受到一些傷害所以我們希望回到原來的ART的這個內容對我們豁免的部分要維持下去但您覺得"},{"start":9987.247,"end":10014.455,"text":"回到ART的這個我們的所有談判的內容或是協議的內容你們覺得可能性大不大我覺得可能性是存在的而且依照美國現在發表出來的一些訊息以及全世界國家跟他現在互相之間的一些訊息都希望維持原來既有的談判內容讓他繼續生效如果這個基礎之上那我們就更有機會能夠確保已經獲得了最優惠的待遇"},{"start":10015.302,"end":10017.626,"text":"所以曾立軍副院長要繼續留在韓漢的韓隊裡面"},{"start":10019.502,"end":10047.172,"text":"他會繼續在談判團隊這段時間這個未來也是一個關鍵啊未來能不能確保R的內容能夠繼續去生效繼續維持因為未來還可能面對301這個冒掉232的項目擴大這也是新的挑戰如果這個談判團隊終於換手當然楊振寧談判團隊我也非常覺得對他放心我也覺得非常信任他他的專業能力當然我覺得是非常非常厲害"},{"start":10048.752,"end":10054.034,"text":"到現在這個階段鄭麗君副院長帶領談判團隊這個工作沒有任何的改變"},{"start":10055.515,"end":10082.494,"text":"想到他們努力真的以他為榮我真的覺得非常非常感動我不曉得這個韓院長韓院長韓院長我很感動不曉得您會不會感動對不起 時間暫停對不起 邱委員我說對於慘悍代表過去一年來所做的努力跟奉獻個人覺得非常感動也以他們為榮那卓院長希望怎麼樣韓院長你覺得是不是以他們為榮OK 你要擁抱一下卓院長嗎"},{"start":10084.082,"end":10107.276,"text":"你也以他們為榮嗎我們都以所有認真的公務員我們都以他們為榮我們要為臺灣團隊一個掌聲連韓院長都對整個臺灣團隊以最大的肯定以他們為榮接著請教對農產品我想陳部長也在麻煩請農業部長備訓當然我的選區是石油廢毒的區農業很重要"},{"start":10113.803,"end":10118.827,"text":"當然這個ART之後所122條款當然農業部有做相關的評估"},{"start":10122.437,"end":10144.068,"text":"農業部的評估你們相關的立場評估好像也沒有什麼相對應的因應方案因為ART跟122條款是差距很大有很大的內容差別對整體農業產品消滅會有很大的差異我想請教一下農業部陳部長您覺得"},{"start":10145.749,"end":10168.78,"text":"對於如果適用122未來可能會更嚴苛那對台灣農業產品這個消美這個我們有沒有更多的這個協助農業的做法我想跟委員做兩個面向的說明就是現在122條款本身我們是跟去年相比因為R的現在還沒有生效就是要跟去年相比那去年是20"},{"start":10169.878,"end":10184.455,"text":"有疊加然後現在是10%也有疊加但是在去年的時候除了絕對關稅也要看競爭對手國的相對關稅那以蝴蝶藍來講荷蘭在去年的時候是15%我們是20%所以我們是相對略適"},{"start":10186.718,"end":10205.66,"text":"但是在122條款裡面同樣都是15%疊加我們跟荷蘭就是在立足點平等所以我們的相對的競爭優勢有比去年還好這第一件事情第二件事情就是在ART裡面我們得到了27項專屬的豁免那蝴蝶蘭就是零"},{"start":10206.442,"end":10217.682,"text":"胡彥恩是零這個部分並沒有不見因為針對ART裡面的內容我們正在跟美國積極的確認能夠確保我們談判的內容是可以執行的"},{"start":10218.775,"end":10237.619,"text":"所以最希望我們還是要Lost 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各位同仁首先邀請左院長麻煩請左院長備詢"},{"start":11058.547,"end":11081.4,"text":"委員長好最近美國關稅的法源變來變去最高法院也判決是違憲但是川普馬上又雕出了一個122條款他端出來我們行政院宣傳的ART也就是台美對等的貿易協定現在看來好像這個防禦力似乎有千瘡百孔"},{"start":11082.08,"end":11091.846,"text":"在這樣的情況之下面對美國這種翻臉如翻書的關稅政策那麼政府我們現在都一直說持續的溝通"},{"start":11092.645,"end":11118.362,"text":"所以本席今天我們希望能夠好好的來討論也就是針對於我們行政院針對於美國關稅的這個議題到底我們的底氣跟我們的準備所以我提出了三項的一個防線我們一起來討論首先賴總統告訴我們說我們取得了15%不疊加的好條件"},{"start":11119.142,"end":11140.852,"text":"但是川普的122條款是在2月24號就已經生效同時我要請問這一刻台灣的工具機機械設備出口到美國到底我們是要適用於ART是不疊加還是被強迫吞下要122條款的15%疊加請教"},{"start":11144.332,"end":11160.117,"text":"我想委員一定是希望我們用最好的因為這些產業跟委員是最有相關的我們一定要好好的照顧我們的產業所以我們要聽政府讓我們的民眾讓我們的產業他清楚不是不確定感是不是適用ART當然不是因為ART還沒有經過"},{"start":11161.57,"end":11184.573,"text":"大院的審議還沒有生效因為你們還沒有送進來阿特根本沒有生效所以還沒有送進來這只是你剛剛說的我們現在底氣就是我們在阿特當中已經談到了最優惠的待遇這就是我們現在的底氣我們要把握這種最優惠的待遇跟委員一樣對你選區裡面的所有產業給他最好的照顧所以現在生效的是"},{"start":11185.37,"end":11201.455,"text":"根據122的10%疊加MFN10%加MFN現在生效的這個那麼這個的之前是20%加MFN所以我們是往下降的所以現在工具G是14再加MFN就是14然後機械業是大概11.5"},{"start":11204.733,"end":11227.322,"text":"所以再請教我們目前很多的未確定感那麼我們也說ART的還沒有送進來第二個也就是目前我們所謂的不疊加的這個部分所以要請教在這個持續過程當中本身要請教有哪些產業"},{"start":11228.983,"end":11239.046,"text":"它是在關稅在15%的疊加之下它是關稅是不減反增你們有沒有去盤點過15%不疊加有沒有去盤點過所影響產業的產業別有哪一些是嚴重的影響請說明"},{"start":11249.056,"end":11258.74,"text":"我再跟委員確定一下我們15不疊加這個是還沒有生效的所以根本沒有實施的這個好 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我必須說這一次的談判成果我認為談判的並不好這一次我們的談判成果我們很明確的拿到了我們要的那個蘋果也就是剛剛我們一再口中說的我們15%不疊加"},{"start":12989.13,"end":13010.454,"text":"或者說323的後面等等的但是我們一直避談我們所付出的包括我們的內政被干涉包括我們未來對美國的一些投資這些都是我們用未來我們年輕人的工作的機會來換取現在國內的一個產業的一個安定這是一個交換我不敢說我一定對"},{"start":13011.144,"end":13036.258,"text":"或者是誰對這個可能需要歷史去見證但是我們目前有遇到一些美國關稅的法定判這個判決剛剛許多委員都有關心但是我認為剛剛我們行政院的一個回覆回答的並不明確因為我們知道在這個關稅違法之後許多的企業都跟美國申請關稅的一個要退回我們這個當初的一個違法的關稅對不對那剛剛說這個關稅是很多是進口商繳的這是事實這是沒錯的"},{"start":13039.279,"end":13053.399,"text":"但是我們今天要談的重點也是韓國他們的重點就是有很多是完稅交貨的這些進口的一些廠商我們要如何去協助他申請退稅這一點可不可以請我們講得更清楚一點"},{"start":13054.589,"end":13070.594,"text":"想報告委員其實剛剛鍾嘉斌委員的質詢當中可以看到這次台美在232條款的談判裡面投資MOU我們談出來的並不是盧委員所說的所謂犧牲未來年輕人的機會而是在我們的產業實力的延伸"},{"start":13073.195,"end":13088.526,"text":"在美國這個等一下我會再提我們先回答先回答退稅的問題好嗎我很快的會跟您委員報告我們結合市場結合客戶來這個AI需求成長的過程當中台美在美國合作打造供應鏈這是產業實力的延伸"},{"start":13088.906,"end":13108.133,"text":"我們也會持續擴大投資台灣所以是一個加法的發展不是減法的發展這一點請委員放心而且我們所談出來台灣模式其實不是日本韓國的政府出資模式是更有利於我們產業在為我們的產業在美國爭取更好有今天聽一天了你可以回答我的問題了嗎我想今天這一點我們關稅"},{"start":13109.193,"end":13126.328,"text":"退稅 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假設這150天內這150天內好了我們簽好了他們提出法律的架構了基礎了我們立法院也同意了那他到時候會適用哪一邊的法律哪一邊的條文是適用ART還是適用10加MFN就是那些剛剛提到的被排除在外的那些項目"},{"start":13638.511,"end":13654.105,"text":"應該是一二二的階段性措施之後過渡他新的法律工具所以我們最終要確認是他後面的法律工具的安排所以他會先適用10加MNF嗎對不對你們不太願意講但是我的理解他應該是適用10加MNF是嗎"},{"start":13655.726,"end":13675.796,"text":"10加MFN只是一個過渡過渡期間他就是適用這些在4月2號公佈對等關稅我國是32加上MFN當時美國也公佈一個暫時性的10加MFN讓各國來談判這個10加MFN當時一直持續到7月我只是在提啦剛剛你們一再提ART這個架構裡面的內容你們認為不宜去調整的"},{"start":13679.54,"end":13688.709,"text":"但是你不去調整如何去保護那一些當初沒有被涵蓋在內的那400多家的企業我覺得這是你們要去思考的"},{"start":13690.247,"end":13709.801,"text":"你們希望涵蓋在內就代表你們按照原本的韓文他是沒有被涵蓋在內的嘛對不對就是要滾過ART才能夠持續拿回因為我剛剛問你ART生效的時候在150天之內的情況下ART生效的話他是適用哪一邊嘛"},{"start":13710.862,"end":13728.959,"text":"我們希望維持R的內容啊所以是用R還是10加MNF那400多項10加MNF那個就已經是暫時性了那150天內嘛之後會過渡掉嘛那過渡掉我們就希望說最後面的他過渡不會為了中華民國過渡啊他一定是全球一起豁免啊或一起取消啊"},{"start":13730.741,"end":13753.917,"text":"對不對報告委員 我再重更委員報告這個美國貿易代表已經說明了 格瑞爾大使已經說明了122是一個階段性的措施但150天內是122嘛 之後其他的嘛對不對所以我一直在問你一直在問你這五個月內的時間內嘛五個月後當然是用新的嘛對不對 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請各委員發言記錄及書面質詢涵送行政院請就位答覆部分與書面答覆二"},{"start":13901.371,"end":13914.575,"text":"已提出之書面質詢尚未登載公報者一律補刊再一次感謝盧憲宜委員謝榮介委員陪同我們參與今天的專案報告現在散會辛苦啊"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}