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謝謝好 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以上謝謝謝謝羅委員的鼓勵我們會繼續努力 謝謝"},{"start":4962.518,"end":4983.308,"text":"好 謝謝接下來請黃仁委員上台質詢有請我們喬委員長請委員長黃委員早安早"},{"start":4993.439,"end":5017.678,"text":"本席上任之後對於泰北的孤軍的權益及身處的環境非常的在意因為本席有親自前往過了解也曾了解孤軍的後遺困境雖然隨著世代更替和地區局勢的穩定已經有不少孤軍後遺在泰北取得了國籍"},{"start":5018.416,"end":5032.854,"text":"或是居留前逐漸擺脫了難民的身份那生活也比較穩定了但是這只是相對於過往整體而言他們的資源還是非常的匱乏需要得到更多的支持那"},{"start":5033.695,"end":5062.594,"text":"就以本席所知,僑委會對當地提供了不少的協助尤其是支持台北地區華文教育或是教材提供透過僑務系統的支援,台北地區的華校支援華校學生來台申寫的管道與獎學金等等當地民眾多次向本席表示他們非常感謝我們中華民國政府沒有遺忘"},{"start":5065.102,"end":5067.091,"text":"並盡力提供他們的協助所以"},{"start":5068.618,"end":5097.945,"text":"即使生活艱困,孤寂后裔,乃然坚持对中华民国的忠诚对当地社区设立的华裔学校、文化日、清明扫墓等民俗的活动在中华文化传承上非常活力那另外就是我们更重要的是在国军海外英领的一个慰藉那虽然他们没办法代表官方祭祀国军英领"},{"start":5098.445,"end":5123.245,"text":"但仍然的堅持每年期辦的祭典修上孤精陣亡官兵的牧種等等那委員長僑委會對於他們相關的一個祭祀活動是否提供了什麼樣的一個協助那贊助的金額大概多少本席再請問對於太平的文化及祭祀的活動僑委會是否有什麼樣的依據和標準"},{"start":5126.133,"end":5143.622,"text":"跟黃委員說明主要我們在輔導太北地區的這些孤居後裔的這個相關活動上面主要focus在兩項第一個就是在329就是青年節的相關活動所以這個活動的預注經費都相當的多少則一萬美金以上"},{"start":5150.326,"end":5168.703,"text":"多則會依照他們的這個需求年度變化那第二項就是我們在年度的九月底就是季孔大典去年本人也親自擔任了太北地區豪機場的這個季孔大典的主機關所以也充分的了解了他們對於傳統的一個堅持跟對於文化的傳承這個我們都有補助但是"},{"start":5174.108,"end":5189.358,"text":"對於祭祀這個所謂的陣亡官兵的部分因為這不屬於我們的業務範圍所以就沒有辦法列入補助的項目那過去我們有曾經協助國防部去到當地把那些當地的亂葬崗遺墓回來台灣招靈 招魂回臺或者在當地修建這個墳場"},{"start":5204.268,"end":5223.624,"text":"期盼這個標準可以適當的修正把標準提高一點那如果沒有也希望侨委會可以利用預算的預度多提供一些贊助那就本席了解目前相關活動的贊助金額大概是每一年的200美元換成現在還不到7000元"},{"start":5226.272,"end":5237.865,"text":"我沒有這麼少的可能少一個零吧可能記錯了少一個零我們的數字不可能給太北都這麼少大概多少大概多少剛剛我就說再多一個零"},{"start":5242.45,"end":5262.067,"text":"至少要再多一個零啦我希望逐步的提高到五千塊美元啦因為他們沒有忘記中華民國我們也應該讓他們知道我們這幾場大活動都是一萬美金以上中華民國也沒有忘記孤軍的一個奉獻犧牲那我想這個是一個跟你討論謝謝"},{"start":5264.53,"end":5270.744,"text":"委員那我跟您說明一下我想你在整體上你表現得非常好你應該當內政部長那"},{"start":5273.799,"end":5292.513,"text":"劉思芳把內政部長已經坐小了那你把僑會已經做得非常的好好不好謝謝 謝謝我們肯定另外喔對於今天的報告本席注意到這個僑會會強化海外的性保基金的服務本席同意擴大海外性保基金對於擴展這個僑態"},{"start":5296.535,"end":5321.101,"text":"台商事業版圖的正向但本席也注意到這個當中的一個風險那我想海外信保基金的目的是在以為喬台商提供協助但是存在風險也非常的明顯畢竟它是一個政府信用和公帑為海外企業提供一個擔保那讓他們能向外國銀行融資"},{"start":5321.881,"end":5348.956,"text":"所以當信保基金擴大相對應的是承擔風險也會提高所以僑業會會比較強調擴大海外信保基金的一個好處的部分但這個隱藏在背後的就是風險由誰承擔如何管控會不會變成海外紓困黑洞這是一個本席的擔憂那以目前海外信保基金的一個設計看來"},{"start":5350.879,"end":5361.059,"text":"政府要承擔百分之九十的風險銀行幾乎不用害怕倒帳那這會讓銀行和企業更大大膽的放款的一個借款"},{"start":5362.185,"end":5379.945,"text":"評估風險之後緊急性自然會降低但是真的會出事的時候就丟給政府處理所以請問海外現在的信保基金總保證餘額大概多少不良保證比例大概多少來回答"},{"start":5380.806,"end":5394.016,"text":"委員我先講大概的概念會之所以成立海外信保基金的原因就在於說因為過去的金融機構對於在國內資產他可以做集合的狀況之下他會比較願意提供融資貸款這樣的一個機會那因為他有這個動產不動產的相關保證那因為對於海外的這些資產他們沒辦法去做集合"},{"start":5405.185,"end":5419.493,"text":"那在早期因為這樣的狀況之下當時的李前總統有敢於說海外台商是我們國力延伸很重要的力量為了拓展這個機會所以才成立了海外信保基金就是幫他們做保"},{"start":5420.413,"end":5444.634,"text":"那做保的過程當中當然政府會有一定承擔風險的可能性所以我們從早期的10億元基金開始事實上跟委員報告我們績效非常良好我們從10億的資金一路然後到了2017年第二次增資計畫當時行政院核定再多加20億那我們前10億的資金基本上沒有什麼大大的虧損"},{"start":5445.875,"end":5457.241,"text":"還是維持很好的這個追償跟所謂的代償機制那我們也都會去關心那些台商如果他連續兩三個月利息沒有穩定的結交的時候我們就開始進場說了解他是不是發生什麼狀況了所以只有極少數的案例是"},{"start":5466.066,"end":5479.052,"text":"確實有發生過我們幫他代償了但是就算代償完以後我們也是終身追溯所以我們到現在為止仍然有一些過去代償的金額仍然在追回來所以本會的這個雖然有面臨風險的這個信保基金可是我們的管理績效原格上說起來算是非常績效良好"},{"start":5486.796,"end":5493.361,"text":"因為說明我們才了解另外海外信用保證基金的開辦美國對等關稅專案貸款的部分本席擔心會變成在"},{"start":5502.528,"end":5525.344,"text":"在補貼失敗的企業這部分有沒有產業以風險審查的一個門檻那另外本席同意以目前的國際局勢的一個如此的動盪海外信保基金確實以有必要做出一些調整以適應惡化的一個環境但是本席要提醒重點是信保基金的根本目的不要忘記了要幫"},{"start":5526.745,"end":5550.741,"text":"幫海外台商做產業升級如何避免變成用納稅納稅人的錢為高風險海外投資做隱性紓困交易會應該要注意到這一點剛剛我提到的就是如何在這個美國對等關稅的貸款的部分擔心補貼失敗的企業這個部分有沒有其他產業風險審查的一個門檻"},{"start":5553.267,"end":5565.213,"text":"委員從我們去年九月開辦對等關稅至今是只有六件那這六件我們只有補貼利息跟手續費而已那事實上那是給他們一個短期資金周轉的概念所以基本上沒有那個剛剛委員擔憂的問題在我們現在既沒有大型的這個貸款出去的計畫也沒有說因此有虧損的這個情形那因為對等關稅事實上還在變動當中所以大家也還在持續的觀察"},{"start":5581.021,"end":5594.594,"text":"好 那至於太北的部分是不是提高我們再提高加一個零 五千美金 好的好 委員跟您報告我預算很不夠的狀況下我每一年都去募款所以太北地區的人都知道我很認真在幫他們募款以上報告 謝謝謝謝接下來請沈伯陽委員上台質詢"},{"start":5616.029,"end":5616.879,"text":"謝謝主席 尤其委員長 謝謝"},{"start":5624.013,"end":5651.975,"text":"沈委員早安好 委員長早剛剛因為剛好前面委員有提到海外信用保證基金這個之前我也有問過其實最主要還是針對這一個所謂的預算沒有通過的一個影響有一部分是我前面問過今天還有新增一些那一開始我上次在問的時候就是一些新增計劃新增計劃就是沒有辦法動用所以這個部分我覺得應該上次也是說明清楚了"},{"start":5652.575,"end":5679.491,"text":"那現在我想追問就是說兩個地方第一個就是因為我們有這一個益助海外信用保證基金我們有對這個企業的協助那因為前陣子剛好川普啟動了這個301啦那啟動301的話呢這一個台灣是被包含在裡面那當然因為前面關稅有談到這個一個deal所以那些是不受影響的但一旦他啟動了301之後會影響的也有包含我們一些在"},{"start":5680.211,"end":5684.874,"text":"這個海外投資的企業目前來講我們針對這件事情有沒有什麼新的因應的措施最主要還是以經濟部輔導為核心我們當然會透過我們在海外有些人可能會先找到你們有可能因為我們世界台商總會的系統算是分布的也很廣那有一些過去帶台灣出去的投資企業比較沒有參加這個系統"},{"start":5707.308,"end":5718.173,"text":"他們已經意識到說我們的這個平台價值所以逐漸的也會有一些人會來尋求跟我們做一些合作所以這種聲音我們當然也是會有聽到比方說去年那個Giant就是巨大被調查的這個狀況那因此我們其實也相當關心因為我們其實提供過巨大在歐洲的兩個大廠"},{"start":5730.798,"end":5734.383,"text":"其中一個在匈牙利的華語文課程就是由本會的TCML去擔任的那至於有一些調查在301的這個範圍內的廠商呢他其實不設限在海外包括在"},{"start":5745.936,"end":5764.731,"text":"台灣境內的也會進入調查的範圍所以這些基本上還是會持續的讓我們在海外的台商知道說如果有相關訊息大家可以先回報給我們讓我們知道說那個PATTERN到底是什麼模式那大家可以做一些相關的準備如果有不適當的就趕快進行調整避免被列入這個301報復的這個對象裡面"},{"start":5770.815,"end":5778.262,"text":"對 而且我覺得有時候就是經濟部他可能會有一些措施但是這些他可能不清楚經濟部基本上因為在海外也有設立他的經濟組所以這些經濟組還有外貿協會的這個單位的同仁呢他們可能最近也都很加強在處理這一塊事情就是針對已經在海外投資的企業廠商或"},{"start":5792.313,"end":5819.926,"text":"國內我比較不擔心國外的這些海外企業廠商他們可能都有一個通知讓他們知道說他們在近期如果有接到什麼樣的狀況的時候應當要怎麼去回應那就拜託僑委會扮演好橋樑的工作因為畢竟很多時候他們很喜歡找你們是的接下來就是另外一個事情就是說除了新興計劃之外因為預算上只要有比去年增加的有多出來的那個也沒有辦法動用對"},{"start":5821.807,"end":5843.921,"text":"之前我有稍微問過有哪些那這個是我們自己又再去比對了一下這兩年的這個預算書發現有一些地方之前還沒有討論到所以我可能想就教一下是第一個就是一般行政的這個人員維持費因為這個人員維持費看起來也多了我看兩千萬左右對然後下面這個更重要了這個是這個是資安的"},{"start":5844.241,"end":5855.78,"text":"那資安的這個也多了大概600多萬600多萬那這個現在該第一個就是它增加的理由是什麼這個資安大概是很明顯那問題是那現在如果不能動用那我們現在應對的方式是什麼"},{"start":5857.473,"end":5875.562,"text":"這個我確實有一點苦惱因為到現在為止115年度的預算都還沒付為都還沒審查所以我連動用第二餘倍金的機會也沒有一旦沒有審查第一第二餘倍金通通沒有機會用了所以我的這個資安風險本來要做健診的計畫很可能因此會延後那延後的時候我又等於會存在一個空檔的風險"},{"start":5883.926,"end":5904.958,"text":"所以這段時間我只能請我們資訊室要加強提高我們內部的一個教育訓練希望大家要提高警覺任何什麼狀況一定要進行回報機制當然我們還是希望說今年度的預算要盡快審核通過以便我們可以執行治安的建整計畫因為以全球的結構來說這種風險"},{"start":5908.841,"end":5932.662,"text":"資訊戰的風險已經越來越高了連同美國的公務機關官方也都已經有被攻擊嚴重的情形了更何況是我們在第一線的台灣所以類似這樣的情況我們是希望說這個經費老實講也不是很多可是因為預算沒有審核我相信審核也會過可是問題是沒有附委所以還是期許大院可以進行附委審查"},{"start":5933.743,"end":5958.451,"text":"因為這個也是我害怕的事情就是說僑委會跟外交部永遠都是他們第一線要攻擊的對象是的所以就是說那因為你們又會我就像剛剛前面提到的不管是企業跟個人找到你們的機率都很高對所以僑委會這邊是有一定程度的資料庫那這個資料庫一旦沒有這一個資安的維護的時候這個會出事嘛那每一年因為資安的風險是逐年在低所以每一年"},{"start":5961.749,"end":5975.389,"text":"就是每一年你除了這一個每年的維護之外一定有針對新增的風險要有新的建制這個金額看起來很明顯就有一些新的建制我相信其實在國防外交委員會大家對這個事情不會有什麼意見"},{"start":5976.01,"end":5998.141,"text":"那因為預算沒有審那大家現在來講就是說他們就挑了一些新興的然後通過或者說希望行政院就只要因為我們整體的預算規模很小所以我們不好提這種小東西去這個不太可能會在他們提的那一方裡面你看我這個一比較之下才發現不少欸我剛才提到前面兩個其實會越來越嚴重了跟著越來越嚴重社教的這個輔助這一個海外這個華語文學習生各有計畫服務經費"},{"start":6005.525,"end":6031.088,"text":"還有這一個重點的新聞資訊因為我們一直在質詢的時候也一直強調比如說小委會這邊要怎麼闢謠要怎麼把最新資訊發佈出去那這些東西如果沒有辦法用的話這個會馬上形成一個很嚴重的空窗我們現在確實有這個擔憂本來我都還鼓勵同仁說延後個一兩個月不至於影響太大我們就稍微期程上稍微做一些改變"},{"start":6032.069,"end":6056.136,"text":"但是現在已經快四月了因為我們都還有很多東西是要招標作業的如果預算沒有過我們根本沒辦法招標那沒辦法招標的話就是會嚴重delay所以有些業務如果拖到下半年搞不好會來不及執行所以今年的執行率就有可能會備受考驗我們去年總體預算執行率相當我自己個人不敢說百分百但是我們績效不錯我們執行到98點"},{"start":6058.797,"end":6085.83,"text":"這樣的比例我相信這算是非常好因為我們珍惜我們所爭取到的每一塊預算所以我們做到98點多這樣的一個預算的規模那就算我們比照這個規模我們今年增加的那個新興預算也有很多是當然非常重要的內容那如果沒辦法執行的時候就確實會產生風險跟空窗期然後如果真的預算太晚才通過我們真的會來不及發包跟執行"},{"start":6087.01,"end":6112.439,"text":"這個會形成我們在今年執行預算的時候會有非常高度的風險那我也不忍苛責同仁因為確實是因為整個結構性因素所造成的所以我還是只能說期許我們立法院大院可以儘速赴委審查這個不正常而且跟委員報告我們可能會基線健保補助費因為去年開始以後我們都要給駐外人員編這個健保補助費是因為我們不能再停保了"},{"start":6115.76,"end":6133.408,"text":"所以額外增加出來的費用我現在也沒有錢付喔所以我現在先去拿原來的錢來付這些錢但是過了三四月以後我會漸漸就銀絲毛糧不夠了到了下半年我這個錢就付不出來了這個是把住外人員的健康等等之類是沒有放在心上"},{"start":6134.168,"end":6147.474,"text":"我覺得這個真的是問題而且這個僑委會的預算在我們整體的預算而且我們今年本來應該給給國務同仁增加這個加薪幾%的那個那個部分的錢已經期限三個月沒有付了"},{"start":6148.342,"end":6170.033,"text":"我在比較的時候就發現除了交委會之外這個在國防部會變得非常非常嚴重啊這個都是我們第一線的問題這是我們國防外交委員會特別重要的一件事所以在這邊也是請先撐著我們盡量在這一個朝野協商之下看能不能夠趕快讓這個預算能夠是希望這個會期趕快能夠通過好謝謝委員謝謝主席謝謝"},{"start":6177.357,"end":6179.461,"text":"下面請馬文君委員質詢謝謝主席 麻煩請委員長"},{"start":6193.837,"end":6198.36,"text":"我們剛剛聽到很多委員對於我們僑友會尤其是委員長對你的評價都是不錯的剛剛也聽到委員長對於業務報告的部分因為在本委員會老實說如果說以預算規模來看僑友會算是規模最小的"},{"start":6217.551,"end":6220.012,"text":"是的 相較於其他的話有的動輒千億甚至上兆可是我們也希望在做這麼多的事情然後在所有全世界很多橋界存在的地方我們的腳步也都到"},{"start":6234.238,"end":6248.785,"text":"那這個部分我們值得去讚許可是我們也希望在這一些很多的計畫或者像我們現在目前推動的政策上面那我們在小的地方也可以去兼顧到記得我們在上個會期末剛好委員長可能有事沒有過來"},{"start":6254.528,"end":6261.994,"text":"那我們去越南去考察參訪以後大概有帶一些相關的訊息回來當然有一些是必須要跟其他部會合作的可是另外一個部分就是剛剛委員長可能在我們的報告裡面也說得很詳細我們做了很多推動很多活動"},{"start":6275.025,"end":6290.473,"text":"不管是在地或者很多的跟國內相關的連結那大概也都推動的不錯我們預算其實基本上我們都支持可是在上一次聽到很多不管是哪一個商會他們都聽到都提到了我們在國慶的活動上面有一些競賽的項目比如說籃球啦或者是足足太少那我們"},{"start":6302.919,"end":6327.468,"text":"同仁其實也有過來做一些說明就是我們在整個國際預算上面其實它的金額並不高所以要挪出太多可能也不容易那我們在這裡其實要特別提出來的就是說其實包括我們很多的計畫其實它都是不管是有創意也好或者是積極的一個擴大規模也好或者延續也好其實"},{"start":6328.568,"end":6338.433,"text":"預算看怎麼用我們今天可以不一定一定是用國慶活動上面的一些經費如果我們僑委會另外再辦理相關的這些活動然後去搭配國慶的相關的活動我覺得這是連結不一定是從那裡挪那個預算來所以當在跟我們做這樣的說明的時候我在這裡要提這個建議就是說它的經費真的不高"},{"start":6358.323,"end":6371.269,"text":"可是對他們來說是一個鼓勵的作用尤其是年輕人我們也希望年輕人如果願意花更多的時間在一些球類的競賽啦或者什麼這是正向的在國內我們也有很多的預算其實是在鼓勵這樣的一個運動項目那這個部分再請委員長去做一個考量那是不是可以給我們一個具體的一個答覆 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只稱這個喬生變成血汗血工的這個事情那教育部跟喬委會還有我們的勞動部也有在做一些改善第一時間掌握做改善那"},{"start":8496.716,"end":8514.214,"text":"我想其實當然還有包括 委員長也提到說好像有些媒體有一些 可能報導上有一些落差不過其實在整個過程裡面 其實它的問題是存在的還是在那三項 第一個就是語言的問題 語言溝通的問題也是有些喬生他在溝通上確實有困難"},{"start":8514.855,"end":8531.554,"text":"那第一個就是在專業錯誤的部分就是說他所報考的學校可能跟未來我們國家需要的人才是有落差的第三個比較嚴重的就是說這些學生的留台率過低啦那當時號稱要我們國發院發下號要留下20萬人"},{"start":8533.296,"end":8551.532,"text":"2030年2030年嘛那當現在來看我們看起來這幾年的統計學生的人數跟流台率委員長這邊我們統計是多少好我跟委員說明一下我們因為真正開始這個計畫是這四年一起那我們開始做這個計畫是從其實是2014年就開始實驗實驗計畫十年嘛十年對"},{"start":8555.455,"end":8574.028,"text":"但是早期因為他們手很皺然後早期沒有任何配套措施所以當時也不鼓勵學生留下來基本上是這樣的所以留台率低我一點都不意外是因為當時根本就沒有配套措施要讓僑生留下來所以我們早期的僑生我現在因為"},{"start":8574.728,"end":8580.094,"text":"有機會到全球各地去很多僑生都跟我說你們現在怎麼改變這麼多這麼好我希望我可以晚20年出生就是說當時他們想留他們都留不下來但是最近這段時間以來10年前開始我們有這個評點制但評點制門檻仍然高後來我們就一直把它下修讓它有機會留下來"},{"start":8596.63,"end":8623.428,"text":"去年大院通過了一系列修法這個幫助我們很多就是說學生在畢業後他如何留下來的機率可以提高所以我相信這一套制度因為法治化了我們未來留台率一定會快速大幅提升我單單去年我頒了60個學校的這個獎學金這60個學校獎學金都是最好第一名的學生我就問他們就一個一個口頭問調查"},{"start":8626.63,"end":8652.959,"text":"八成的學生都說他們要留在台灣其實 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side但是呢如果我讓你繼續揮舞下去我就會失去工作因為現在這個球場的Owner是中國人那就在這個過程當中後面一位澳洲的朋友一個澳洲朋友自己跳出來說那他帶領他自己來喊是而且他說我們在澳洲這裡是Australia不是China"},{"start":9577.185,"end":9595.205,"text":"我要講的是在這樣的過程中所展現出來的是從台商台橋再到澳洲在地都了解台灣現在所受到的箝制跟中國的打壓針對所謂的奧運模式管的是球員其實是不涉及在場內的觀眾"},{"start":9597.688,"end":9609.538,"text":"那這樣的一個狀況事後的SOP我必須要說事件會不斷的發生在澳洲的部分我們看到的是更多的澳洲朋友幫我們發聲那麼顯然過去一直以來我們一直希望的所謂聽台灣 世界被看見包括委員長您的工作的部分對於台橋朋友的支持跟肯定然後包括他們對台灣的榮譽心 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我們會加強學生的資訊提供 還有那個增速管道我們也會加強對企業跟學校的輔導讓他們知道新的法規 相關的規定是什麼謝謝委員指導 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝 接下來請許曉欣委員上台質詢"},{"start":10139.668,"end":10140.833,"text":"謝謝主席我們請委員長請委員長"},{"start":10148.092,"end":10170.737,"text":"許委員好委員長好我們今天都問兩個部分是針對就是因為我們僑委會有很多的業務都是跟其他的部會來這個跨部會合作的嘛那首先我想先針對就是內政部在2025年9月5號公告9月8號又實施有關於規劃我國國籍者以及歸國僑民服役辦法的部分"},{"start":10172.817,"end":10196.319,"text":"裡面呢我大概總結了有四個事情喔四個事情那待會想邀請這個委員長針對這四個部分幫我們做一下比較詳細的說明因為有蠻多的這個僑胞反應因為他們可能因為語言的關係宣傳的關係上路比較快的關係確實即便你們有出懶人包那還是很多人不能了解或者是在詢問有沒有更簡便的做法"},{"start":10197.02,"end":10224.858,"text":"所以我先把這四個項目我現在所了解到的先說明一下第一個是僑民藝男居住期限屆滿一年辦理徵兵的規定修正為183天那這個當然我們是希望去避免有所謂的假僑民徵逃兵的這個爭議第二個是刪除這個投資新台幣一千萬或者是有僑資事業當中有特定職位就可以辦理緩徵兵役處理的部分"},{"start":10225.638,"end":10248.183,"text":"那第三個是僑民的入出入境審查那要求返國的時候必須要提出僑居地出發的相關證明那第四個呢是取消護照上面的僑居加簽作為身份認定的辦法變成要由僑委會核發的義正用華僑身份證明作為唯一的依據喔那這個部分呢我想請教"},{"start":10249.123,"end":10257.707,"text":"這四個點目前的實施情況就是說有上路的或是有修改的那大概目前針對這四點可不可以替我們說明一下目前的狀況是如何的好 謝謝委員垂詢那針對因為僑民義男的緩針跟學生的緩針事實上都是根據兵役法他們給予的額外的一種豁免機制但是緩針不是不針的意思是"},{"start":10278.037,"end":10301.755,"text":"等到他如果資格或者身份消失的時候他還是依法要被徵兵那我們的兵役規定基本上是跟我們的戶籍法綁在一起所以如果僑民本身是不具有戶籍的他可能是無戶籍國民這一種所以他自始就沒有當兵的義務事實上這過程當中有些人是沒有搞清楚自己的身份那在19歲到36歲之間的僑民異男他們如果在"},{"start":10307.199,"end":10328.781,"text":"返回國內居住如果滿183天他設有戶籍那他就一定會被徵兵所以這個部分已經上路了吧這個已經上路了這個是沒有例外條款的第二個部分就是投資新台幣1000萬跟喬治市業中取得職位那這個暫緩辦理徵兵處理這個部分那目前是已經確定刪除了嗎"},{"start":10329.922,"end":10343.957,"text":"已經刪除 確定是刪除已經刪除也上路了嗎對 已經執行了那我想要問一下在這個部分就是已經執行了那他先前有投資如果就是他先前是以投資的身份然後導致於說他可以辦理應該這樣講委員他就是一樣可以來辦理這個後面的規定就是這個您剛剛你說的第四點一起"},{"start":10351.585,"end":10360.368,"text":"過去是用幾種模式來確保他的僑民身份持續保有一種是僑居加簽一種是所謂僑外投資那現在這些因為兵役單位議政司因為修改他們自己的辦法以後他現在都不予採任"},{"start":10369.21,"end":10375.914,"text":"那他不予採任的時候呢現在就是回歸到僑委會所開立的華僑身份證明只能用這個證明他們才開始受理然後受理的過程當中他還要你提供前四個月或者你離境後的四個月內只要任何這八個月當中你有曾經出入境你所提供的僑名資格的那個國家的任何資料了解"},{"start":10396.027,"end":10408.88,"text":"那那個如果他是因為投資的關係那因為現在被刪除了嘛那他就回歸來辦我們的華僑身份證明就好那中間他有多少的多久的這個緩衝期讓他去做這個沒有什麼緩衝期的問題其實沒有緩衝期的問題是這樣子就是說我們是一年十二個月那你有八個月時間有緩衝去拿到任何的證明那即便你這個四個"},{"start":10419.591,"end":10425.074,"text":"你只要不在台灣住超過183天啦簡單講海峽兩岸你只要居住不滿183天基本上你的僑民資格都不會消失好 這樣我了解了那接下來我要提的是兩個目前我們的這個僑民那他們有提出希望僑委會這邊看有沒有機會再做一些溝通讓他們簡化第一個就是您剛剛講的這個議政用的華僑身份證明書是要來僑委會申請嘛對不對"},{"start":10447.665,"end":10471.173,"text":"但是因為很多的這些藝男他的居住地比如說他可能中南部地區啊等等的那他還要特別來僑委會來做辦理跟委員說明第一個有鑒於這個去年9月8號開始我們就開始積極籌劃說沒有只有不是只有在台北的我們已經在今年1月1號高雄已經設了第二個去點高雄第二個還有嗎"},{"start":10472.413,"end":10487.274,"text":"因為預算的關係這個是突然變化我們也一時沒有那麼多預算那這個部分我是建議說我們可能針對我們會評估量體有多少因為我必須講就是說像比如我們在講說行政院的辦公室好了也會分成北中南東嘛對不對"},{"start":10488.556,"end":10516.951,"text":"那所以說我的建議是說我們可能在這個部分也有我們有評估的量就是說全體的海外僑民異難緩增的狀況大概兩萬出頭人而已所以這兩萬出頭人是只有他要回來台灣的狀況之下他才會有需要維持他的僑民異難但是因為如果只有在台北跟高雄的話對這些僑民而言他會覺得就是說這個對他來講是希望說有一些"},{"start":10517.611,"end":10536.471,"text":"增加我們會評估這個量有多少評估一下就因為區域我舉例來講說如果他今天是東部區域的那那即便他人很少那他但從我說花蓮台東那要到台北跟高雄其實對他而言其實也有一定的這個距離喔那這點請你們再回去做評估"},{"start":10537.972,"end":10564.5,"text":"那另外一點還可以就是說請人家可以委辦這個是可以委辦不一定要本人親自辦理也可以委辦那這一點可能要再多加宣傳因為很多的藝男他們確實還不瞭解他們都以為要自己去辦然後呢要只能到台北到目前為止都還有收到這樣子一個全程我們會強化宣傳因為你們增加到高雄這個部分的話其實知道的人並不多所以也希望說既然有增加了已經增加了能多宣傳一下"},{"start":10565.08,"end":10581.303,"text":"那第二個部分是說好因為剛剛有講嘛反國時必須從喬治利出發的相關證明所以有一個情況是呢有這個美國公民他在這個加拿大工作我舉例他如果是美國的公民他在加拿大工作那他要回台灣的話他要先到美國然後呢再回台灣那這個部分有沒有可能去做一個簡化"},{"start":10589.665,"end":10615.356,"text":"這個其實我們個案上已經知道很多了事實上是這樣子就是說他如果是已經他本來如果是美國公民去加拿大工作那他加拿大工作一定有加拿大的工作簽證他只要能夠提出他的工作簽證的證明來提供給我們議政司作為輔佐的機制所以他就是他就只要提供這個他從加拿大直接回來就好了"},{"start":10616.916,"end":10640.103,"text":"他有勞動簽證那我們就會採任所以這個部分要麻煩就是喬委會再跟我們多加宣傳一定要多加宣傳因為太多人他們現在就是沒有關係我們都會輔導而且我們會輔導好不好沒有就是因為很多人會來跟我們澄清然後講說他都從就是我剛剛還講的是近的例子就是加拿大跟美國而且大部分的人"},{"start":10640.683,"end":10658.93,"text":"英國的然後他在英國工作的然後他先回了美國之後再回來因為他怕他會擔心說他如果直接從英國回來那萬一到了台灣之後告訴你說不行他又再回英國再回美國再回來但是您剛已經講了嘛這個部分你們有做一個就是其實他現在如果正式"},{"start":10659.81,"end":10681.077,"text":"已經在加拿大工作了這就是移遷移遷的時候就是他已經有當地的勞動簽證所以他的這個資格證明就是提供加拿大的證明給我們我了解您剛說的我都了解因為主要就是說呢他們會不是很了解他去英國工作他就停過英國的這裡給我們他現在狀況是因為他也不了解說有這樣的一個規定所以他為了"},{"start":10681.517,"end":10704.559,"text":"擔心說他如果他也要回到台灣了然後得到的資訊是說這樣不行因為他就看新聞嘛新聞寫的只有說反國要從僑居地出發相關證明他就只看這一段所以說對他們就有一些困擾所以這個部分既然我們有說可以提出工作簽證他就可以直接回台灣的話那在這方面對我們的僑民一定要再多加宣導好嗎好"},{"start":10705.68,"end":10725.206,"text":"那最後一小點部分就是關於這個撤僑的部分那也希望就是說僑委會跟外交部這邊能夠多加努力如果說在中東地區有需要撤僑的部分的話那能夠盡力協助我們的僑民好這個再麻煩我們委員長跟外交部一起努力好不好謝謝許委員謝謝好謝謝接下來請牛許廷委員上台質詢"},{"start":10740.471,"end":10741.675,"text":"謝謝主席許委員長有請"},{"start":10749.81,"end":10778.638,"text":"林委員早安 歡迎加入外委會謝謝委員長這剛剛我們本來也要問這個義男的正名問題不過我想剛剛徐小青委員問得非常清楚委員長的回答也算蠻清楚的希望有這樣子的一個特案處理的機制可以服務更多的僑民那空一點時間我剛剛有稍微聽一下質詢剛剛方才這個執政黨委員在質詢的時候這委員長好像要幫自己的員工叫屈啊說因為總預算的關係健保要挺保然後有一些人薪水拖欠"},{"start":10780.181,"end":10800.132,"text":"這個我再給你一次機會真的有這樣的狀況嗎應該這樣講健保的部分是因為2024年大法官釋憲後那這個停保制度就沒有辦法持續沒有停保的問題嘛沒有啦本人可能我要講清楚一點停保是這樣過去我們駐外人員在海外的時候他們就國內不用再保"},{"start":10800.572,"end":10806.978,"text":"是保海外的保但是從2025年起他們就全部都要加保包括那個券保也都要加那就變成額外的費用所以這一塊後來行政院就統一決定說由我們行政部門來編列預算幫他們付保費那去年的保費呢基本上我們是用我們人事的結餘款因為在2024我們已經來不及編了所以是用人事結餘款以及特別費不是特別費啦"},{"start":10825.933,"end":10851.891,"text":"反正就是有辦法允支嘛對不對今年兌付過去了對不對那如果是加薪的部分如果有通過的這個不會積欠對嘛所以要把他講清楚不是加薪啦不是加薪我說什麼是指等調整的那個不會積欠等調整的薪水調整沒有這個問題嘛對不對你好好澄清不要嘴巴太壞人事是不受這個預算法規定的這個限制健保的部分那是健保會有影響我也提醒委員長這個稍早立法院通過的718億的新興計畫裡面都有含在裡面的"},{"start":10853.612,"end":10881.074,"text":"沒有吧沒有所以是可以所以是可以都沒有真的我也沒有含貨這一塊沒有真的沒有好沒關係啊這個我是覺得這個要把話講清楚如果你真的有需要的話你把健保這個部分你如果是還有我們海外信保基金的一部分海外海外會相關的部分你會後提供一份完整的資料好的因為你如果有實際上的需求的話大家要提新計畫特案特案動之的話我們在黨倒是不會反對啦是是那我們不希望這個題目會變政治化的處理啦"},{"start":10881.294,"end":10897.285,"text":"好 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其實簡單來說啊這包含國民黨黨團過去一段時間開的記者會而講所謂的有在學學功的狀況嘛"},{"start":10903.709,"end":10925.172,"text":"就變很多人來其實是為了變相的變成所謂的黑工也好或是怎麼樣雖然部分解決了缺工的問題但那其實不是一個正規的一個手段那再學學工就算了那畢業之後就回國這才是大問題嘛來委員長這個我們目前以僑生來講就好因為僑委會主管僑生嘛僑生畢業之後首份工作留在台灣的比例大概是多少"},{"start":10926.521,"end":10949.679,"text":"委員去年我們大院才正式修法通過這也是經過我們過去五年的努力就是早期的僑生要留台幾乎很難因為沒有配套機制所以大部分的僑生除非他馬上找到高薪的工作或是他自己創業了所以包括像群聯這樣子的一個角色我就問他說"},{"start":10951.881,"end":10974.931,"text":"你為什麼當時要創業他說如果我不創業我就無法留在台灣了所以委員比例大概是多少早期的人數少所以合定的這個能夠留下來的也少正如老師講所以那時候比例三成我一點都不意外因為沒有配套措施而且最重要的他不是等到畢業他才沒有留台是因為他在就讀過程當中的第一年第二年他就退場了是啊"},{"start":10976.272,"end":10989.028,"text":"所以我也了解那個機制剛剛黃雁銘委員問過同樣的問題數字到底比例是多少現在去年開始有到八成了去年開始有到八成了工作坊三年之後繼續留在台灣比例是多少"},{"start":10989.895,"end":11016.826,"text":"工作滿三年因為還沒有新的制度實施還沒有滿三年所以你認為制度修正之後就可以徹底解決這樣問題嗎會改善很多天下雜誌人才永續頻道有進行一次不好意思我跟委員補充天下雜誌他當時引用的資料事實上有很多錯誤的地方或者是很久以前的案子而且他弄錯的對象是錯的因為我們境外生有很多種"},{"start":11019.076,"end":11047.895,"text":"這種課程裝班還有僑生有外甥沒關係我們一段一段來梳理是是是把問題問完嘛當時大部分的僑外生來台灣都希望可以取得長期居留甚至是工作的一個機會但實際上大概按照他的說法大概有八成的部分是沒有辦法順利留才當然嘛這第一個調查的時間可能早了一點我講你現在有所謂的心智但我想很多結構性的問題才是發生這樣子問題的主因嘛結構友善才能保障權益大家都講說我們希望保障僑外生的權益"},{"start":11048.275,"end":11068.815,"text":"但前提是結構要友善如果這個結構不友善換言之喬壞生要留台的門檻太高的時候那他的權益反而沒辦法確保他反而會助長很多人想說反正你既然未來畢業之後要就業的難度很高所以我才會有一些人開始動歪腦筋就是說我在就學的時候我就開始搞些有的沒的"},{"start":11069.295,"end":11089.924,"text":"所以就會出現在學學工畢業回國這樣一個狀況好那現在結構的問題我現在跟你談到結構的問題第一個是企業的聘僱意願恐怕是不太高而且資本額的限制是問題的嘛現在僑外生畢業之後大概除非說我走專業人才留用機制嘛也就是說碩士以上學歷或者是四萬七千塊以上的薪水好這樣一個狀況我就走專業人才聘用這個"},{"start":11091.465,"end":11112.806,"text":"雖然聽起來沒什麼問題但實際上使用的比例是低的大部分人走的所謂的評點配合制度嘛也就是說按照學歷心智能他等於是打分數嘛分數過關之後可以來處理門檻比較低也是比較多僑生外生比較想要採用的這樣一個方式但問題是這個評點配合制度好像有一些門檻在嘛還有企業聘用的本身的門檻"},{"start":11113.707,"end":11126.1,"text":"就我的本席的了解啦這個雇主的資本額啊可能要到500萬元以上等等但委員長你也知道嘛對不對你也做過基層民意代表的工作有很多服務業的他可能達不到啦就全台灣99%是中小企業或者他全年營業額1000萬啦兩種條件啦11就可以了但是我也很知道現實狀況我也跟這些企業談過其實他們有些人是這樣子齁因為他"},{"start":11137.951,"end":11166.75,"text":"我不好方便在公開方面說明啦我可以私下再跟您說明一些真實情況你要私下跟我說明什麼真實情況你就公開講就好啦不是有什麼壓力嗎如果他是登記五百萬資本額這個沒有什麼意義但是通常是年營業額一千萬怎麼算對怎麼算的問題他們有些人因為低報了啦我簡單講就是低報了我理解那因為他低報了他一直就沒有資格去申請"},{"start":11167.731,"end":11173.136,"text":"他早就超過了所以就是這個問題這就是結構問題嘛這個是因為大家有時候總是想要鑽對他自己有利的這個方向嘛所以有一好沒有二好我們政府是公平的所以它形成一種硬性門檻嘛其實不管是資本五百萬這五年來呢問題問我好不好好好好"},{"start":11185.328,"end":11207.006,"text":"資本額五百萬元或者是營業額一千萬元以上其實就跟很多重要企業而且重要企業尤其缺工這樣說它其實出現一些背離的所以我們有做這些國發會有送法案進來就是說希望讓中階人才的這個禁用可以放寬以後不再受評點制評點制未來也會走入歷史了這就是你要回答的這就是我們現在在努力的目標"},{"start":11208.207,"end":11233.267,"text":"因為有評點制跟過去的門檻比較高門檻高的時候很多企業就認為說我要讓你過關或什麼他就形成有特殊照顧他形成一種勞資結構的一種不對等那加上喬生都希望取得永居嘛等等那取得永居在取得永居之前的工作經驗等等他其實跟其他人就是一次的這個就比較沒有問題嘛那再來就第三個是這個求職期間啦這個過去啦當然你新的制度有修正嘛我現在給你兩年的一個寬限期"},{"start":11233.767,"end":11256.045,"text":"讓你在過程中也可以打工可以有一個正常生活的一個水準但是如果我們的核心問題不解決也就是核心問題也就是說真正邁進到正式就業的這個門檻太高的話延長兩年打工就跟你再學工意思是一樣的所以我今天要講的是你還是要解決根本問題跨部位的橫向溝通去把這個門檻做合理的放寬"},{"start":11256.786,"end":11282.224,"text":"你要去了解真的缺工的地方在哪裡嘛如果缺工的地方就在中小校園裡面哪有工我們的想法一模一樣所以我過去四五年期間一直不斷的跟其他部會做了這個溝通了所以喬惠會基本上贊成這個方向對不對我們一直是贊成而且國防會也從戰爐有聽及我們的意見所以他的說法方向我這個地方哪些部會反對沒有人反對沒有人反對那怎麼那麼久現在是因為立法院沒有排案啊"},{"start":11283.664,"end":11308.993,"text":"我說你在前面溝通 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現在有開始了因為早期我們的僑生整體的資料都是控管在教育部像我負責的部分呢如果是從我的招生專案進來的我會掌握如果不是我招生專案進來的我就不一定掌握"},{"start":11330.602,"end":11351.041,"text":"所以境外生有些我沒有掌握但是現在我要跟委員報告我們有進步了我們有跟教育部協調說是不是所有境外生資料境外生就包含僑生跟外籍生這個統一的資料庫我們可不可以去幫忙追蹤所以我們現在確實有在啟動追蹤機制只要在台灣有正式畢業"},{"start":11355.205,"end":11381.825,"text":"我不會要求你一定要全部都那個因為他有跨部會的問題但是至少喬生的部分嘛會會會喬生的部分喬生我們就簡單的開始你可以完全掌握的開始也就是喬生的流也好離也好的最終調查期只要是離開了我一定會追蹤他好你剛才提供哪些相關的資料我如果講說你已經開始了還是去年開始追蹤了對去年開始追蹤了去年開始追蹤到去年什麼時候開始去年年初還是去年年底我們年終才開始的年終才開始"},{"start":11384.068,"end":11412.07,"text":"專班學生的部分我們可以提供你現在手上到什麼樣或者是要到執行一個階段有一個資料的時候你提供一下給外國會委員做一下參考嘛當然是針對僑害生的權益啊如何來做確保第二個也可以讓國內的溝通更加的迅速嘛我們趕快放寬一些門檻讓他們的就業會留下來解決台灣的缺口問題好嗎委員我就必須要補充一點就是因為我們新就制正在一個交替的過程這個我願意理解所以我講你說有新制度所以我剛才問你嘛是從什麼時候開始的嘛"},{"start":11412.45,"end":11426.853,"text":"如果你是今年年初或去年年底才開始因為修法是去年八月通過的嘛對所以我們才開始做你抓一個時間啦也就是半年的一個初期的執行報告留下來追蹤機制的初步報告我們來看看有什麼樣可以精進優化的地方啦好不好好的好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝接下來請王安祥委員上台質詢"},{"start":11441.694,"end":11444.542,"text":"主席好 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