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各位大家好我想本席今天特別針對國民年金法第54條之一的修正草案的提案說明近年來由於國內的物價持續的上漲民眾對生活的成本增加相當的有感尤其是食品醫療交通跟日常的照護支出幾乎樣樣都漲對一般的家庭來說已經很吃重更何況是原本就仰賴年金維持基本生活的長者以及因身心障礙額外"},{"start":1882.307,"end":1901.134,"text":"照顧需求的弱勢朋友來說更是雪上加霜本席這次的修法呢主要是將我們的這個老年年金給付加計金額跟老年基本保障年金的金額從3,500塊提升到7,000元因為以現在的物價水準平均"},{"start":1901.774,"end":1921.942,"text":"三千五百塊平均一天大概走一百出頭如何要求一個長者用這樣的金額去維持晚年的這個尊嚴呢因此我們主張從三千五百塊調整到七千元那同時呢我們也不能忽略這個身心障礙朋友的處境所以本席將身心障礙年金幾本的"},{"start":1922.842,"end":1950.09,"text":"保障以及身心障礙基本保障年金同步調升至新台幣8000元給予他們最基本的經濟安全網除此之外呢本席也將現行每四年調整一次的機制改為每兩年調整一次因為物價上漲不會等人弱勢的生活困境更不可能四年才檢討一次最重要的是我們也新增一項合理的機制就是當消費者物價指數累積成長達5%的時候即應公告"},{"start":1952.771,"end":1973.974,"text":"调整我们希望化被动为主动及时的制度回应不会让民众已经撑不下去了连基本的生活都受冲击了政府才慢慢的需要检讨而国民年金的制度初衷就是为了要照顾那些没有劳保公保跟军保的民众他们往往是社会结构最脆弱的一群"},{"start":1974.514,"end":1999.928,"text":"所以我們的法律不能隨著時代環境跟物價指數的與時俱進的話那這份保障就會流於形式所以為了讓國民年金更符合現實讓弱勢保障真正能跟上時代本席懇請各位委員支持本案共同為長者及弱勢撐起更有尊嚴更有溫度的安全網謝謝謝謝徐醫生委員接下來請廖偉祥委員發言"},{"start":2010.775,"end":2027.112,"text":"謝謝盧憲義召委感謝你特別排這個案子那在場的媒體先生女士還有我們的同仁以及我們各部會的這個公務體系的行政同仁們大家早安那本席針對國民年金法的修正草案提出說明"},{"start":2028.173,"end":2037.556,"text":"國民年金制度自民國97年實施至今是為了保障為就業的民眾的老年基本生活然而隨著這近17年國內薪資水平不動產價值與物價情勢的劇烈變遷"},{"start":2044.618,"end":2056.586,"text":"我想現行的法規已經顯得力不從心必須進行全盤的檢討所以本席此次修正的重點分為下面三個面向因為這段時間以來其實10年前到現在我想貧富差距也從前5%跟後5%也從75倍變到150倍那所以這個是"},{"start":2065.444,"end":2080.796,"text":"非常急迫的事情所以三大面向第一個面向是強化給付水準落實動態的調整機制那依據主計總處的數據112年的消費者物價指數CPI年增率為2.5%已經連續兩年超過通膨警戒線而且最近我看國際情勢如此這個通膨的壓力也越來越大"},{"start":2089.423,"end":2114.054,"text":"所以現行每4年調整一次的機制是完全跟不上物價的漲幅導致弱勢族群的實質購買力也嚴重縮水影響到他們的基本生活因此本席提案修正第54條之一將老年年金給付的基準調升至8000元身障年金保障至12000元同時也將調整這個頻率希望可以縮短成"},{"start":2115.074,"end":2134.441,"text":"去檢討一次一年一條讓年金給付能夠更及時的反映通膨的壓力也確保社會安全網能夠實質發揮這個救貧的功能那第二因應物價的波動修正排富的門檻現行的制度下許多長者僅因為土地的公告"},{"start":2135.041,"end":2154.499,"text":"限职调生就莫名其妙的丧失了领取的资格那这并非是长者的收入增加而是制度没有随着经济现状的调整所以因此本席提案修正第31条要参照老农津贴的门槛将所得额提高至60万"},{"start":2155.7,"end":2163.725,"text":"那土地房這個房屋的價值門檻提高到1025萬喔並且增訂動態調整機制那我們也不能夠讓這個房價的漲幅變成長者的生存威脅應該確保制度與時俱進守護長者的財產尊嚴第三要廢除這個"},{"start":2175.331,"end":2179.555,"text":"懲罰婚姻的配偶連帶處罰那現行法的第15條以及第50條規定配偶須負擔連帶繳費的義務且未繳費者會受罰這已經引起社會嚴重的詬病那目前的被保險人未繳費無罰則配偶卻要受罰這不僅是違背了民法夫妻財產分離的原則"},{"start":2199.175,"end":2212.393,"text":"本質上更形同對於婚姻的處罰和懲罰那本席提案刪除這個配偶強制處罰規定那將制度由強制克罰轉向正向鼓勵那也考量到政府財政負擔的可預測性"},{"start":2214.795,"end":2240.242,"text":"並預留資訊系統開發時間由行政院另訂實行日期希望本次的修法讓國保制度可以跟上時代也懇請各位委員同仁支持本案讓國民年金真正成為支撐國人老年尊嚴及弱勢族群的堅實後盾謝謝大家謝謝廖惠祥委員說明接下來請邱惠祿委員代表民政黨提案說明"},{"start":2245.063,"end":2251.138,"text":"主席各位委員同仁還有各位政府部門的同仁大家好我們台灣民眾黨根據"},{"start":2253.931,"end":2276.816,"text":"三個條文來提出修法的一個提案建議那首先是針對國民年金法第15條第二項的規定那我想憲法保障一個平等原則所謂平等原則就是相同的事情做相同的處理不同的事情做不同的處理如果相同的事情要為差別待遇"},{"start":2277.336,"end":2300.103,"text":"要有合理正當的理由要有合理關聯性而且不能夠自以為之如果沒有合理正當的理由自以為之的話就會違反憲法第7條的平等原則那國民年金法第15條第二項因為關於保費的繳納規定了夫妻之間彼此互相負一個連帶繳納的責任那這樣的一個"},{"start":2303.685,"end":2322.103,"text":"規定我們認為是以婚姻關係的有無作為差別待遇的一個理由那這個情況之下我們認為有違反合理正當理由的原則有違反合理關聯性的原則所以我們認為違反平等原則所以我們在這邊建議應該把15條第二項做一個刪除"},{"start":2325.686,"end":2329.748,"text":"那除此之外國民年金法第50條23項關於保費的繳納夫妻之間彼此連帶的要去繳納這個相關費用的一個連帶責任那如果你要繳納這個保費的話"},{"start":2342.774,"end":2360.969,"text":"就會被處以3000到1.5萬的罰款那這樣的一個規定其實也是以婚姻關係的有無作為裁罰的基礎事實我們也認為欠缺合理關聯性欠缺合理理由所以我們認為違反平等原則所以也建議把第五十條的二三項來做一個刪除那我想"},{"start":2364.892,"end":2378.661,"text":"15條第2項第50條23項刪除也能夠落實4至696號解釋的意旨4至696號解釋的意旨就是禁止以婚姻關係的有無作為承受特別不利益的基礎事實"},{"start":2379.682,"end":2407.656,"text":"好那接著我們來講國民年金法第54條之一那我想如同剛剛很多委員先進已經提到了國民年金從101年到現在經過了十幾年都沒有與時俱進的修正那這15年當中歷經了通膨物價指數的調整還有多次的調薪其實會讓這些國民年金的領取人他們的實質購買力已經大大的降低所以為了讓國民年金的這個"},{"start":2408.696,"end":2433.952,"text":"相關金額的給付能夠與時俱進符合這個消費者物價指數通膨調薪等等這些因素我們主張把國民年金的一個調整的實現從4年縮短為2年那這個是參照農民的退休儲金條例那除此之外也參照勞保條例就是根據消費者物價指數來做一個調整如果消費者物價指數的成長率達到"},{"start":2437.655,"end":2455.553,"text":"5%也是啟動調整的一個機制跟時程那台灣民眾黨根據這三條分別是第15條第二項第50條23項還有第51條規定來提案修法那也希望各位委員同仁能夠予以支持以上說明謝謝謝謝邱輝祿委員說明接下來請范雲維說明"},{"start":2469.377,"end":2488.811,"text":"主席大家好那我的提案呢基本上跟政院版本一樣因為要先肯定一下就是衛福部還有相關的部會我想國民年金這次的調整意義重大因為我們可以看到就是政府照顧這些就是沒有勞保沒有各種保險的那對我來講的話我長期關心婦女的議題我知道在國民年金這一塊其實非常多的"},{"start":2495.996,"end":2506.039,"text":"家庭主婦他基本上是保國民年金那這次我們可以看到我自己的版本就是從4049元調高到5000元那這個大家算一下條幅大概有25%那我覺得這個版本就整體來講的話已經算是最高的調整而且不會讓政府"},{"start":2520.745,"end":2545.187,"text":"舉債就是過高那所以也希望大家能夠支持我的這個部分的版本那另外我的部分呢也有針對過去不合理的那個配偶連帶責任就是做修正那我想這個部分現代就是配偶大家每一個人都是獨立的人那不管是男性女性就是先生或者是"},{"start":2548.229,"end":2565.096,"text":"先生的另外一個是太太 OK 一下忘記這個稱呼我想大家都是獨立的人不要因為一邊沒有就懲罰另外一邊所以這邊我的部分跟原本一樣我覺得這是一個社會的進步也是一個時代的進步"},{"start":2565.976,"end":2585.314,"text":"最後大家可以看到就排富的標準的部分我的部分也是能夠修正稍微放寬那我自己的理念其實一向都是政府的福利不需要過度排富因為過度排富其實會讓腳比較多碎的人那當然我們這個是保險制不太一樣"},{"start":2585.774,"end":2614.598,"text":"就是會覺得他好像沒有辦法得到相關的社會福利普及是我認為最好所以關於這個國民年金的保險有在排付的部分稍微放寬一點我覺得也能夠做到一個整體照顧的精神因為大家知道在台灣不同的縣市那個所謂的房屋或是土地的計算是不一樣的那可能有人在主產或等等但事實上他的家庭狀況或是老年的部分"},{"start":2614.998,"end":2629.514,"text":"是有可能需要政府的一起照顾那我想这是一个国民年金共同的一个相互照顾的精神那可以在这部分稍微放宽那也请大家支持我的版本那就先简单说明到这谢谢"},{"start":2640.888,"end":2666.187,"text":"主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天大院審查國民年金包含行政院版本以及共有37位委員分別提出的不同的版本進行審查非常感謝我們就整個條文的修正來做一些報告"},{"start":2667.088,"end":2686.24,"text":"那麼為了回應當前的經濟成長物價指數及人民眾的生活的需求所以行政院特別指示那麼在照顧國民生活保護弱勢生計跟兼顧國家財政的三大原則下就八大"},{"start":2687.1,"end":2705.89,"text":"社福津貼來進行全面性的檢討包括了老農福利津貼國民年金給付低收入戶的家庭生活補助低收入戶的兒童生活補助低收入戶的就學生活補助還有中低收入老人的生活津貼"},{"start":2706.65,"end":2732.684,"text":"弱勢而少的生活輔助及身障者的生活補助等那麼做橫貧性的考量那麼今天主要是國民年金的部分條文的修正草案那麼本部的這個版本主要有四大重點那麼第一個就是刪除強制配偶代繳保費及罰款的規定來彰顯性別平等的精神"},{"start":2733.244,"end":2748.206,"text":"符合憲法的精神那麼第二呢是放寬排富的基準那麼參照了這個其他條文其他的法規包含腦容津貼的調整標準把所得調高為"},{"start":2749.307,"end":2767.302,"text":"牌付所得調高為60萬不動產則調高為1025萬那麼並刪除呢那麼唯一自住的房屋可以作為扣除額的上限那麼這個是第二個那第三個呢是調高基本數23.5%由現行的每月4049元調高為5000元身帳呢則調為6715元那第四個呢是建立這個"},{"start":2778.05,"end":2795.056,"text":"定期調整的機制那麼並且增訂CPI如果這個浮動超過3%則進行期中檢討那麼至於重整目前各個委員的修法的提案版本那麼主要在"},{"start":2796.056,"end":2822.639,"text":"國保給付的基本數額的部分呢那麼調整的範圍從4500元到12000元身障者年金條的範圍則從5700元至12000元之間那麼同時呢在這個放寬排付標準的部分呢那麼大致上的版本是一致那麼另外在這個縮短這個調整的"},{"start":2824.92,"end":2846.169,"text":"年金檢討的年限的部分則是分為一年到三年另外在CPI調整的部分也有2%到5%不等的調整機制那麼這些待會在這個主條討論的時候我們本部再來表示這個意見那至於說在"},{"start":2847.169,"end":2868.147,"text":"這個配偶連帶處分的部分呢我想這個部分有朝野各立委的高度共識予以刪除那另外還有這個部分委員那麼提高呢這個商帳給付一次發給10個月的投保金額比照勞保的部分呢那待會我們也會來保釋意見那不過呢重上而言呢"},{"start":2868.547,"end":2892.575,"text":"那麼這一次的各委員的版本呢那麼其實最大的歧異呢是在老人年金的加計跟基本保障遺主年金原住民給付的部分那麼影響到的財政呢那麼大概從156億每年到653億這個須要增加那麼要增加一年增加到這個"},{"start":2895.392,"end":2915.766,"text":"這個近千億到900多億那麼我想在兼顧這個國家的財政可負擔跟世代的公平正義的原則之下那麼希望在待會的主條討論的時候能夠充分的獲得一些共識 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委員范雲等18人提案委員廖偉祥等18人提案 委員張家俊等17人提案委員羅廷偉等18人提案 委員李坤誠等20人提案第15條軍與行政院提案 同"},{"start":3089.448,"end":3111.94,"text":"民進黨黨團提案及委員吳思耀等十八人提案第三十條相同均修正第四項默劇為所需經費依第三十六條規定辦理與同現行法文蔡宜與等十六人提案及委員陳廷飛等十六人提案同第三十條均修正第一項第一款默劇為八千元第二項第二款默二行為八千元與與現行法同"},{"start":3112.941,"end":3124.696,"text":"委員王美惠等二十人提案第30條修正第一項第一款墨具為一萬元第二項第二款墨二行為一萬元於同縣刑法行政院提案第31條"},{"start":3128.007,"end":3143.332,"text":"修正第一項第五款金額數字為1025萬第二項第二款為屬個人所有之唯一且實際居住之房屋及該房屋座落之土地同時增列第三項第一項第四款鎖定個人綜合所得稅各類"},{"start":3144.392,"end":3167.041,"text":"所得总额与第五款个人所有之土地及房屋价值有中央主管机关并同第五四条之一第一项后段规定以下列方式调整后公告之一个人综合所得税各类所得总额参照中央主机机关发布之最近一年消费者物价指数较前次调整之前一年消费者物价指数成长率"},{"start":3167.941,"end":3193.906,"text":"但成長率為零或負數時不予調整二個人所得土地及房屋價值參照中央地政機關發布之全國前一年公告土地限值較前次調整之前一年公告土地限值條幅以該條幅所計算個人所有土地及房屋價值之增加數額乘以1.5倍後調整之但條幅為零或負數時不予調整與同現行法"},{"start":3195.441,"end":3211.178,"text":"委員蔡宇等16人提案及委員陳廷飛等16人提案同第31條均修正第一項第7行金額數字為8000元餘銅現行法委員王美惠等22人提案第31條修正第一項第7行金額數字為12000元餘銅現行法"},{"start":3214.11,"end":3230.795,"text":"委員楊瓊英等36人提案 委員張志倫等16人提案 委員張家俊等17人提案 委員李坤城等20人提案 第31條 均與行政院提案同委員王美惠等17人提案與委員羅廷偉等18人提案 同第31條 除第二項第二款為"},{"start":3234.593,"end":3253.838,"text":"屬個人所有之唯一房屋且實際居住之房屋及該房屋座落之土地予以行政院提案通文正天才等17人提案第31條除第1項第5款金額數字為1200萬元予以行政院提案通文亮偉翔等18人提案第31條除第1項第4款第3行"},{"start":3254.878,"end":3278.099,"text":"修正金額數字為60萬元與委員王美惠等17人提案同委員邱振軍等19人提案第31條刪除委員王美惠等17人提案第三項與委員王美惠等17人提案同委員盧憲義等17人提案第31條修正第一項第三款增列默劇但依原住民保留地禁法補償條例領取之補償金不在此限"},{"start":3278.819,"end":3301.967,"text":"及第1項第4款增列默劇但原住民族土地進法補償金不計入資與同現行法民進黨黨團提案及委員吳思堯等18人提案同第34條都修正第4項默劇為所需經費依第36條規定辦理與同現行法民進黨黨團提案及委員吳思堯提案第36條同第36條"},{"start":3307.967,"end":3334.294,"text":"第30條老人年金之差額第31條第一項老人基本保證年金第34條身心障礙年金之差額第35條第一項身心障礙基本保證年金及第42條遺囑年金之差額所需經費依行政院主計總署公布之各直轄市及縣市政府財力分級表由各級政府按比率負擔1財力分級表第一級者由中央主管機關及直轄市主管機關各負擔50%"},{"start":3336.943,"end":3363.676,"text":"二 財力分級表第二級及第三級者由中央主管機關負擔70%之下市及縣市主管機關負擔30%三 財力分級表第四級及第五級者由中央主管機關負擔85%縣市主管機關負擔15%委員蔡宇等16人提案委員王美惠等20人提案委員陳廷飛等16人提案第39條軍統軍委修正第一項第二項末發給10個月商帳給付"},{"start":3367.062,"end":3395.917,"text":"民進黨黨團提案及委員吳思堯等18人提案第42條同均修正第四項默劇為所需經費一第36條規定辦理於同縣刑法民進黨黨團提案及委員吳思堯等18人提案第47條同修正第一項第三行依序由下列來源籌措之應其有節於時應作為以後年度中央政府責任準備於同縣刑法"},{"start":3399.744,"end":3403.457,"text":"行政院提案第50條刪除現行法第二及第三項"},{"start":3405.236,"end":3429.261,"text":"委員楊瓊英等36人提案委員邱振軍等21人提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案委員王美惠等17人提案委員鄭天才等17人提案委員張志倫等16人提案委員范雲等18人提案委員廖偉翔等18人提案委員張家俊等17人提案委員羅廷偉等18人提案委員李坤城的20人提案委員賴世保的28人提案據行政院提案同"},{"start":3430.851,"end":3442.014,"text":"委員盧縣議等17人提案第53條修正第一項第4款增列莫具依原住民保留地進法補償條例領取之補償金亦不計入與同現行法"},{"start":3444.724,"end":3464.97,"text":"行政院提案第54條之一自中華民國圈年圈月圈日修正之條文施行之日起頒發所定老年年金及附加計金額老年基本保證年金第30條第二項第三款第二目及第31條第一項第二款第一目按月累計金額"},{"start":3465.99,"end":3493.816,"text":"第42條第二項及第4項及第53條所定金額調整為新台幣5000元身心障礙年金及付基本保障及身心障礙基本保證年金之金額調整為新台幣6715元其後每4年調整一次由中央主管機關參照中央主計機關發布之最近一年消費者物價指數較前次調整之前一年消費者物價指數成長率公告調整之"},{"start":3494.696,"end":3510.248,"text":"但成長率為零或負數時不予調整中央主管機關因依前項規定調整屆滿二年後檢討一次與中央主計機關發布之最近一年消費者物價指數較前次調整之前一年消費者物價指數成長率達30%"},{"start":3512.55,"end":3533.221,"text":"因即時公告調整不受前項四年之限制,符合下列規定者,使依前二項所定基本數額調整。但中華民國全年、全月、全日修正之條文施行前,已符合勤領資格者不適用之。一、在國內設有戶籍。二、最近三年內每年居住國內超過183日。"},{"start":3538.73,"end":3554.421,"text":"為核心存等事件提案第54條之一自第九行巨莫增列除中央主計機關發布之消費者物價指數累計成長率達50%及英語調整外其餘每三年調整一次與同現行法"},{"start":3555.222,"end":3580.856,"text":"文秋政軍等17人提案第54條之一首居第二行改為113年第6行金額改為4000元第9行改為5200元期後每3年調整一次與同現行法文王美惠等18人提案第54條之一除第12行修改為中央主管機關應給予調整外與委員何新淳等17人提案同"},{"start":3581.676,"end":3600.572,"text":"文流建國等16人提案及委員黃秀芳等21人提案同第54條之一同第9行據末期修正為其後每三年調整一次由中央主管機關參照中央主計機關發布至最近一年消費者物價指數較前次調整之前一年消費者物價指數成長率"},{"start":3601.693,"end":3625.809,"text":"或消费者物价指数累计成长率达5%及公告调整之于同现行法为马文君等20人提案第五四条之一第六行金额改为4500元第九行金额改为5700元其后每一年调整一次于同现行法文徐巧心等18人提案第五四条之一第十行改为其后每年调整一次于同现行法"},{"start":3628.755,"end":3654.171,"text":"委員楊瓊英等36人提案委員鄭天才等17人提案委員張志倫等16人提案委員范雲等18人提案委員張家俊等17人提案第五四條之一均與行政院提案同臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第五四條之一首聚第二行改為113年第六行金額改為5000元第九行改為6200元其後每兩年調整一次第十四行增列"},{"start":3655.091,"end":3676.464,"text":"或消费者物价指数累计成长率达5%及公告调整之于同现行法文成军与等29人提案第五四条之一第九行据莫增列除中央组织机关发布之消费者物价指数累计成长率达50%中央主管机关应给予调整外其后每两年调整一次于同现行法"},{"start":3677.344,"end":3700.18,"text":"委員羅廷偉等16人提案第五四條之一第十行修改為其後每三年調整一次第十四行據莫增列或消費者物價指數累計成長率達百分之五及與同現行法委員王美惠等16人提案第五四條之一第二行刪除修正之條文施行之日第九行金額改為七千元第十二行金額"},{"start":3701.616,"end":3710.355,"text":"改為八千七百元予以行政院提案同委員郭國文等十七人提案及委員徐富奎等十八人提案第五四條之一同"},{"start":3711.832,"end":3735.599,"text":"手巨第二行改為115年第四行金額改為4500元第七行金額改為8000元第十行金額改為9000元同時增列第二項第三項文字為依第30條第一項計算之老年年金金額不足新台幣8000元者按新台幣8000元發給前二項所需經費或與原計算年金金額之差額"},{"start":3737.299,"end":3756.286,"text":"由中央及地方主管机关平均分摊按年度编列预算指引其后每三年调整一次于同现行法为林倩琪等18人提案第五四条之一首居第二行改为115年第六行积乐改为5000元第九行改为6715元其后每三年调整一次"},{"start":3757.486,"end":3777.624,"text":"同时增列第二项中央主机机关发布至最近一年消费者物价指数较前次调整之前一年消费者物价指数成长率达30%因及时公告调整不受前项三年之限制与同现行法文须一针的17人提案第五四条之一首居第二行改为115年第六行金额改为7000元"},{"start":3779.085,"end":3789.176,"text":"第九行改為八千元其後每二年調整一次第十四行據莫增列或消費者物價指數累計成長率達百分之五及公告調整之與同現行法"},{"start":3792.318,"end":3815.607,"text":"文殊清泉等19人提案第五四条之一首居第一行改为圈年圈月圈日起第六行积额改为8000元第九行改为1万元其后每二年调整一次并增列第二项中央组织机关发布至最近一年消费者物价指数价前次调整之前一年消费者物价指数成长率达30%及公告调整不受前项二年之限制于同现行法"},{"start":3817.014,"end":3842.123,"text":"文調偉祥等18人提案第五四條之一第六行金額改為八千元第九行改為一萬二千元其後每年調整一次與同縣刑法委員林思敏等19人提案第五四條之一首居第一行改為圈年圈月圈日修正之條文施行之日起第五行增列第三十條第二項第三款第二目及第三十一條第一項第二款第一目按月累計金額第九行金額改為六千元"},{"start":3843.143,"end":3860.744,"text":"第十二行改為八千元期後每二年調整一次並增列第二項於中央主計機關發布之最近一年消費者物價指數較前次調整之前一年消費者物價指數成長率達百分之三十因即時公告調整不受前向二年制限制與同現行法"},{"start":3861.525,"end":3883.254,"text":"原秋正均等19人提案第五四条之一首居第二行改为115年第六行金额改为6000元第九行改为7200元其后每三年调整一次并增列第二项中央主管机关应于前项规定调整届满二年后检讨一次与中央组织机关发布至最近一年消费者物价指数较前次调整之前一年消费者物价指数成长率达30%"},{"start":3884.935,"end":3905.84,"text":"因即使公告调整不受前项4年之限制与同现行法本读先一等17人提案第五四条之一第六行金额改为7000元第九行改为1万元其后每两年调整一次并正列第二项装足迹机关发布之最近一年消费者物价指数较前次调整之前一年消费者物价指数"},{"start":3906.9,"end":3915.686,"text":"成長率80%因即時公告調整不受前項兩年之限制與同現行法委員何清純等17人提案第55條增列第4項及第5項"},{"start":3920.011,"end":3944.228,"text":"被保险人于符合本法相关给付勤领药件时,得依第15条第1项向保险人申请未预补缴期限之保费分期缴纳,其相关本席于被保险人勤领保险给付时,禁于扣减之。前项有关扣减保费给付之种类、方式及金额等事项之办法由中央主管机关定之,于同现行法。"},{"start":3948.789,"end":3968.151,"text":"行政院提案第59條第二項修正為本法修正條文自公佈日施行但中華民國100年6月29日修正公佈至第7條第二款第三款及第30條第二項第三款自97年10月1日施行第6條第4款第13條第一項"},{"start":3973.382,"end":3996.893,"text":"其第三項即 全年全月全日修正之條文之施行日期由行政院定之 與同現行法委員蔡易瑜等16人提案委員王美惠等20人提案委員陳廷飛等16人提案第59條均同均增列第三項本法中華民國全年全月全日修正條文之施行日期由行政院定之 與同現行法"},{"start":3997.873,"end":4016.992,"text":"委員王美惠等17人提案第59條除第2項第2行增列除字第2項第8行改為由行政院定之者外自公佈日施行與行政院提案同委員鄭天才等17人提案為廖偉強等18人提案為羅廷偉等18人提案第59條均與行政院提案同"},{"start":4017.873,"end":4045.361,"text":"文章制論等16人提案第59條第二項第一行起修正為本法修正條文自公佈日施行但中華民國及第七行起修正為逗號及圈年圈月圈日修正條文之施行日起由行政院定之與同現行法我開始念不是要紅五年嗎我有跟他講啊沒關係我來念"},{"start":4051.756,"end":4071.868,"text":"接著宣讀修正動議修正動議第一案第36條第30條老年年金之差額第31條第一項老年年金保證金第34條身心障礙年金之差額"},{"start":4073.274,"end":4093.301,"text":"第35條第1項身心障礙基本保證年金第42條已屬年金之差額所需經費依行政院主計總署公布之各職場市及縣市政府財力分級表由各級政府按比率負擔依"},{"start":4094.074,"end":4118.353,"text":"財力分級表第一者由中央主管機關及直轄市主管機關各負擔50%二財力分級表第二級及第三級者由中央主管機關負擔70%直轄市及縣市主管機關負擔30%三財力分級表第四級及第五級者由中央主管機關負擔85%縣市主管機關負擔15%提案人"},{"start":4123.817,"end":4125.098,"text":"第15條 無力一次繳納保險費及利息支備保險"},{"start":4144.107,"end":4169.606,"text":"被保險人得向保險人申請分期或延期繳納其申請條件審核程序分期或延期繳納期限及其他應遵行事項之辦法由保險人擬定報請中央主管機關核定發布本保險之保險費及其利息與被保險人及其配偶間互付連帶繳納之義務第30條"},{"start":4174.133,"end":4202.245,"text":"勤領年金老人年金幾負1下列方式則由寄給1月頭保金額乘以其保險年金再乘以百分之0.65所得之數額加新台幣五千元2月頭保月頭保金額乘以其保險年資再乘以百分之1.2所得之數額有下列之情形之一者計算"},{"start":4204.892,"end":4221.229,"text":"第31條本法施行時年滿65歲國民在國內設有戶籍且於最近三年內每年居住超過183日而無下列事項之情勢者是同"},{"start":4222.19,"end":4246.893,"text":"本法被保險人得清理老年基本保證年金每月新台幣五千元至死亡為止不是用本章第三節至第五節有關保險給付之規定亦不受第二章被保險人及保險效力及第三章保險費規定之限制依經政府權額補助收容安置"},{"start":4247.373,"end":4256.45,"text":"二、领取军人退休奉、终身生活补助费、政务人员、公教人员、公营失业人员退休金"},{"start":4258.24,"end":4286.197,"text":"退休值金或一次退休值五金但有下列情形之一者不在此限一 軍人 政務人員 公教人員 公營事業人員領取一次退休值五金且未辦理政府優惠存款者未領取公教人員保險養老給付或軍人保險退屋給付或領取公教人員保險養老給付"},{"start":4288.198,"end":4310.387,"text":"軍人保險退伍給付之總額自年滿65歲當月起以新台幣5000元按月累計8元總數而原住民領取一次退職5金而領取社會福利津貼"},{"start":4314.368,"end":4323.754,"text":"4.財稅機關提供保險人公告年度之個人綜合所得稅各類所得總額合計新台幣60萬元以上5."},{"start":4323.754,"end":4333.22,"text":"個人所有之土地及房屋價值合計新台幣1025萬元以上6."},{"start":4333.22,"end":4339.364,"text":"入獄服刑一案即押或拘禁前項第五款土地之價值"},{"start":4340.066,"end":4363.426,"text":"以公告土地限值計算房屋之價值以平定標準價格計算但有下列情形之一者應扣除一土地之部分或全部被依法編為公共設施保留地且因政府財務或其他不可規則於地主之因素而尚未徵收及補償者二"},{"start":4366.432,"end":4381.494,"text":"屬於個人所有之一且實際居住之房屋及該房屋座落之土地三未經產生經濟效益之原住民保留地第一項第四款鎖定個人綜合所得"},{"start":4382.987,"end":4401.772,"text":"所得稅各類所得總額及第五款個人所有之土地及房屋價值由中央主管並同第五十四條之一第一項後段規定依下列方式調整公告之一個人綜合所得稅各類所得總額參照中央"},{"start":4403.84,"end":4420.559,"text":"主計機關發布之最近一年消費者物價指數較前次調整之前一年消費者物價指數成長率但成長率為零或複數時不予調整二個人所有土地或房屋價值"},{"start":4421.42,"end":4442.902,"text":"參考中央地政機關發布之全國前一年公告土地限值較前次調整之前一年公告土地限值條幅以該條幅所計算個人所有土地及房屋價值之增加數額乘以1.5倍後調整之半條幅為零或複數時不予調整"},{"start":4445.271,"end":4456.816,"text":"與本條中華民國100年6月13日修正之條文施行前依地向第二款第一目規定累計以達原理"},{"start":4458.079,"end":4475.416,"text":"領取總額者不予發老人基本保證年金中華民國101年1月1日起願意領取老年基本保證年金者與各地方政府調整土地公告限職後仍符合第一項第一款至第四款"},{"start":4476.236,"end":4494.722,"text":"規定及第六款規定且其個人所有之土地及房屋衛生真實不受第一項第五款規定之限制身心障礙基本保障年金及第53條所定於原住民及父異同第34條身心障礙"},{"start":4497.537,"end":4523.638,"text":"年金給付其保險年資計算每滿一年愛奇投保金額發給1.3%之月給付金額依前項規定計算所得數額如低於基本保障新台幣6,715元且無下列各項情勢者得按月發給基本保障至死亡為止"},{"start":4525.578,"end":4553.109,"text":"一有欠繳保險費期間不計入保險年資請示二領取相關社會福利津貼被保險人於發生保險事故前一年期間之保險費或利息有欠繳情形經保險人以書面命其繳納欲其使為繳納者其依法得領取前三個月身心障礙年金給付得案第一項規定即"},{"start":4554.947,"end":4572.426,"text":"計算發給不是用前項基本保障新台幣六千七百十五元之規定一第二第二項規定請理基本保障者其一第一項計算所得數額與基本保障之差額由中央主管機關負擔"},{"start":4574.892,"end":4591.699,"text":"被保险人具有劳工保险年资者得于第一项之保险年资予以并计其所需金额由劳工保险保险人拨还第42条遗熟年金给付"},{"start":4592.786,"end":4620.735,"text":"標準如下一被保險人死亡一被保險人之保險年資合計每滿一年按其月投保金額發給百分之1.3之月給付金額二領取身心障礙年金或老人死亡老人年金給付期間死亡按被保險人身心障礙年金或老人年金金額之半數發給三符合地"},{"start":4621.806,"end":4627.625,"text":"二十九條規定而為及情侶老人年金及負前死亡"},{"start":4629.551,"end":4654.067,"text":"一被保险人之被保险年资合计每满一年按其月投保金额发给1.3%之月几付金额半数一前项规定计算之年金金额不足新台币5000元者按新台币5000元发给同一顺序之遗嘱有两人以上时每多一人发给遗嘱年金几付标准之25%最多计至50%"},{"start":4658.154,"end":4683.868,"text":"依第二項規定改案新台幣五十元五千元計算以主年金給付者其原依第一項及前項規定計算所得數額與實際領取年金給付之差額由中央主管機關負擔第五十條以殺妻或其他不當行為領取保險給付者應與"},{"start":4686.792,"end":4692.48,"text":"追回外並按其領取之保險給付除以兩倍罰還第53條年滿55歲之原住民在"},{"start":4701.133,"end":4724.614,"text":"國內設有戶籍且無下列各款請示者於本法《中華民國一百年6月13日修正之條文》施行後得勤領人每月新台幣五千元至年滿六十五歲前一個月為止所需經費由中央援助民族事務主管機關按年度編列預算支應"},{"start":4726.136,"end":4748.977,"text":"1.限職公教職及公民營事業人員但每月工作收入未超過勞工保險投保薪資分及表第一級者不在此限2.領取政務人員、公教人員、公營事業人員月退休職金或均人退伍奉"},{"start":4750.536,"end":4775.118,"text":"終身生活補助費3 以領取身心障礙者生活補助或榮民救養給付4 有第31條第1項第1款第4款至第6款情形之一但未產生經濟效益支援住民保留地列入第31條第1項第5款土地計算"},{"start":4776.141,"end":4799.572,"text":"依前項規定勤理每人每月新台幣五千元之年齡限制與本法施行後應配合原住民平均餘命與全體國民平均餘命差距之縮短而逐步提高最低勤理年齡至六十五歲其最低勤理年齡支條高由中央"},{"start":4800.871,"end":4814.83,"text":"原住民逐事務主管機關每五年檢討一次並報請行政院核定之第五十四條之一至中華民國春年春月春日修正之"},{"start":4816.344,"end":4839.316,"text":"條文施行之日起本法所定的老年年金給付加計金額調整為新台幣五千元老人基本保證年金第30條第二項第三款第二目及第31條第一項第二款第一目按月累計金額第42條第二項及第四項及"},{"start":4842.745,"end":4844.39,"text":"第53條鎖定金額調整為新台幣5000元生辛菜"},{"start":4848.905,"end":4878.303,"text":"年金給付基本保障及身心障礙基本保障年金之金額調整為新台幣6,715元其後每四年調整一次由中央主管機關參照中央主計機關發布之最近一年消費者物價指數較前者調整之前一年消費者物價指數成長率公告調整之但成長率為0或負數時不予調整"},{"start":4879.71,"end":4908.53,"text":"中央主管機關因依前項規定調整接滿兩年後調整一次於中央主管與主計機關發布之最近一年消費者物價指數較前次調整之前一年消費者不得選擇前項第一款之寄給方式一有欠繳保險費期間不不計入保險年之情勢二領取相關社會福利津貼"},{"start":4909.671,"end":4936.518,"text":"三 已領取相關社會保險老年給付但第七條第二款及第三款規定支備保險人有下列情形之一者不在此限一 領取勞工保險老年給付者二 已領取公教人員保險養老給付軍人保險退伍給付者自年滿六數稅當日起"},{"start":4938.578,"end":4941.406,"text":"以新台幣五千元按月累計達元領取給付總額"},{"start":4947.366,"end":4977.086,"text":"被保险人于发生保险事故前一年期间之保险费或逆袭有欠缴情形,经保险人以书面献其命其缴纳,欲其使为缴纳者,依其依法得领取前三个月老年年金几付,按第一项第二款规定计算之。依第一项第一款规定,请领老年年金几付者,其数额于第二款计算。"},{"start":4983.334,"end":4994.768,"text":"所得數額之差額由中央主管機關負擔老年年金給付自符合條件之當月起按月發給自死亡當月止"},{"start":4995.936,"end":5014.479,"text":"依第33條規定請領身心障礙年金給付者於年滿65歲時得改請領老年年金給付其請領身心障礙年金前之保險年資得併入本條之保險年資"},{"start":5017.646,"end":5039.456,"text":"計物價指數成長率達百分之三十因及時公告調整不受前項四年之限制符合下列規定者是依前二項所定基本數而調整但中華民國缺年缺日修正之"},{"start":5040.812,"end":5050.219,"text":"條文施行前已符合請領資格者不適用之一在國內設有戶籍二最近三年每年居住國內超過183日"},{"start":5053.851,"end":5080.902,"text":"第59條中華本法自中華民國97年10月1日起施行本法施行本法修正條文自公佈日施行但中華民國100年6月29日修正公佈之第7條第二款第三款及第30條第二項第三款至97年10月1日施行第6條第4款第13條第一項"},{"start":5083.883,"end":5109.925,"text":"及第3項 即 全年全日 全月全日修正條文之施行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢現在進行討論事項國民年金法部分條文修正草案等37案之除條審查"},{"start":5111.345,"end":5131.353,"text":"每條條文先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見現在進行本案主條討論先請屋福部及主計總署說明目前基金財務情況以及是否有為提撥責任負債與近五年中央政府每年補助基金的數額"},{"start":5139.221,"end":5139.543,"text":"主席總統要請講"},{"start":5150.496,"end":5175.295,"text":"各位委員大家好那主委總處先就我們整個中央政府的一個財務狀況來做一個說明我們現在的那個115年度預算編完以後我們的一個舉債空間差不多是1800多億那如果要扣掉後續現在在討論的一個軍購的一個特別條例的話還要再扣掉1300億所以我們整體的一個舉債空間差不多就是500多億的一個空間"},{"start":5176.837,"end":5185.457,"text":"所以我們現在行政院在規劃的一個調升的一個機制我們基本上就是在這個舉是可以在這個舉在空間裡面去容納的"},{"start":5187.233,"end":5212.49,"text":"但是現在有看到委員的一個版本就是有一些調升的一個幅度譬如說國民年金最高調到八千或是調到一萬塊然後或者是像老農年金因為我們老農年金之前也是送到立法院來做審議那老農津貼的一個部分他可能會調到一萬五千塊所以整體就是以委員提案的一個版本來講的話"},{"start":5214.201,"end":5235.213,"text":"整個那個金額要增加金額要大達1000多億但是我們現在的一個舉債空間只有500多億所以以現在的一個委員的提案版本在我們中央政府的一個財務狀況他其實是沒有辦法負擔的所以還是請委員以行政院的版本來做一個調整謝謝大家現在討論第15條條文提案的委員有"},{"start":5242.136,"end":5261.525,"text":"邱振军委员等17人,杨琼等36人,王美惠等17人,郑天才等17人,张志伦等16人,范芸等18人,廖伟祥等15人,张家俊等15人,罗廷伟等15人,李坤成等15人。"},{"start":5267.726,"end":5275.552,"text":"先請入府部說明"},{"start":5297.929,"end":5325.859,"text":"衛福部說明第15條其實跟這個有相關的其實是15條跟50條那15條的部分是有關於配偶要連帶繳納的一個義務的條文那這個條文在我們的這個行政院院板以及我們的委員的提案是有非常多的就有很大很高度的共識所以我們是建議用行政院院板的這個條文"},{"start":5327.279,"end":5341.791,"text":"把這個處罰的罰環的這個部分做刪除那但是我們仍然是維持著這個配偶之間要互付的一個連帶繳納衣物的一個宣誓性的條文要在"},{"start":5342.532,"end":5370.075,"text":"那其中有一個就是邱振均委員的提案是跟其他的委員不太一樣的部分是他連同這個互付連帶繳納的義務這個條文是刪除的那這個部分我們就建議不採納所以原則上我們是在15條的部分是建議照行政院院版以及楊瓊英委員提案民眾黨黨團提案王美惠委員提案那鄭天才委員提案范瑩委員提案"},{"start":5371.075,"end":5394.422,"text":"張主委委員提案 廖偉強等委員提案張家俊委員提案 廖崑城委員提案羅廷偉委員提案能夠希望能夠依照這樣的提案通過 以上報告前委員發言 楊耀偉謝謝主席我們第15條院版呢 就是把"},{"start":5395.495,"end":5415.419,"text":"法環的部分刪除可是我看你們的說明裡面明白的指出來法定的夫妻財產制的觀念然後還有就是夫妻之間配偶之間對於保費這件事情"},{"start":5419.252,"end":5444.772,"text":"連帶責任其實是跟夫妻財產制是有相違背的為什麼你們不一併做討論第二個就是因為我們國民年金的納保對象並不限於家庭主婦所以你們也在說明欄裡面講說本法是保障家務勞動者的經濟安全"},{"start":5447.833,"end":5472.458,"text":"可是我們的投保對象並不限於家務勞動者所以這個是不是你們要再做一下研究因為整個夫妻財產的概念裡面其實配偶之間縱使在婚姻關係程序中"},{"start":5476.739,"end":5500.757,"text":"所有權各自保有債務各自負責我看不出來說我們的國民年金啊我們的國民年金可能當初有一些外國的立法例他是因為沒有其他的保險就是家庭勞動者沒有其他的保險可以投"},{"start":5501.918,"end":5518.666,"text":"射出來的可是我們台灣的國民年金並沒有台灣的國民年金只要你沒有工保 勞保你大概都可以來投這個是跟外國的立法力很大的差別所以"},{"start":5519.517,"end":5542.544,"text":"投保的對象既然不限於家庭的勞動者也就是一方出去工作 一方沒有出去工作家庭的勞動者 家務有酬的概念那你們有關夫妻之間 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他講的是這樣如果沒有這樣的一個義務也沒有法則那又是另外一個修法那就很像邱正軍委員的版本但是可能是需要階段性的就是說以現行國民年金他的確就是"},{"start":5835.396,"end":5864.126,"text":"他的收入來源就已經有問題了啦那如果一下子拿掉的話恐怕那個那個撼動整個整個的那個程度會比較高所以我是建議如果大家沒有其他的意見的話那養老委員更長遠的未來在下一個階段是不是要完全拿掉那是下一個階段那現階段今天的修法是不是就是因為各委員版本也相同嘛那就按照行政院的版本通過好 這樣還有意見嗎"},{"start":5865.226,"end":5881.333,"text":"還有嗎我也是呼應王玉敏委員我也是呼應王玉敏委員因為這邊有個很核心的問題就是說我們現行的制度是把被保險人自己要負擔的保險責任外溢到婚姻關係那剛剛關於您解釋很清楚第15條第二項"},{"start":5883.194,"end":5908.844,"text":"被保險甚至可以限期要求配偶代為繳納這個設計是很有爭議的所以他把自己的這個保險衣物轉成配偶要一起承擔就很像是一個懲罰婚姻的制度那問題是他不只是帶繳我比較想問的是可能第50條才會討論到但是因為我們如果支持現在院版還有很多委員的版本把15條這邊刪除的話那50條的罰環"},{"start":5914.368,"end":5927.406,"text":"就你五十項也會全部一起拿掉五十條第二項也會 就不會再有罰款了好 謝謝好 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謝謝"},{"start":6383.439,"end":6411.114,"text":"好謝謝秀慧路委員那就看現在的螢幕是沒有任何的修正嗎好那我們就照行政案版提案通過下面進行第30條提案有蔡議員委員等17人施耀委員等18人王美惠委員等22人陳平菲委員等16人"},{"start":6413.822,"end":6433.512,"text":"請幕府部說明三十條的主要的修正的內容包含了老年年金的勤領的條文包含了額度還有經費負擔的歸屬那剛剛今天的修正動議王振旭委員也有提出三十條的修正動議"},{"start":6434.893,"end":6462.657,"text":"那首先要說明的部分就是我們在領取額度的部分的話我們希望是考量本法修正條文54條之一因為我們這次的條文也有修到54條之一所以配合54條之一的一個基本額度的調整我們希望能夠將老年A式加計金額的調整後的領取額度"},{"start":6463.597,"end":6481.06,"text":"能夠修正為五千元這樣的部分才會比較明確所以這個是我們這邊所提到的第一個部分那另外一個部分是領取額度的部分有蔡議員委員陳廷輝委員王美惠委員他們的提案有特別提到"},{"start":6482.021,"end":6508.631,"text":"會增加這個基本額度這個部分呢會增加政府財政負擔那我們估算出來這個財政負擔將近有500多億到933億這樣的一個幅度那為了兼顧政府的一個財政上的負擔我們希望能夠維持院版的一個條文這個我們希望能夠提出這個通盤的考量來維持現行的規定來處理 謝謝"},{"start":6512.406,"end":6527.421,"text":"我們沒有修好 請委員發言沒有願吧沒有願沒有願沒有嗎這間修正都議王正旭委員這邊有修正都議"},{"start":6531.743,"end":6545.2,"text":"謝謝非常感謝剛剛我們的市長的說明那其實這個條文我們是希望說從原本的這個在第一款裡面"},{"start":6546.101,"end":6575.621,"text":"最後新台幣3000元的部分能不能再增加到5000元那這部分主要是中嘉賓委員他不是我們的委員會委員所以由他在處理的這個希望能夠有相關的折優部分做調整但是我們這邊是也一併一起來跟大家討論不過剛剛市長的說明我們可以尊重衛福部這邊的一些想法以上"},{"start":6579.342,"end":6584.144,"text":"現在進行第31條條文有蔡議員等17人王美惠委員等22人陳平輝委員等16人楊瓊委員等36人"},{"start":6605.16,"end":6622.518,"text":"鄭天才委員等17人 張志龍委員等16人廖偉祥委員等18人 張家俊委員等17人羅廷委員等18人 李坤城委員等20人邱正軍委員等19人 胡鑫委員等17人請問服務說明"},{"start":6626.687,"end":6654.915,"text":"第三十一條的部分條文的內容有包含幾個重點第一個重點是針對老年基本保障年金的勤領條文這個內容裡面包含了幾個部分第一個是排付基準然後額度然後也有委員特別有提到原住民的淨法補償金讓我們來分別說明一下那針對排付基準的建議其實行政院院"},{"start":6655.675,"end":6671.219,"text":"行政院院版的這個部分也是相同的就是委員有王美惠委員李昆城委員的提案是跟行政院委員的提案是相同的所以我們這邊的建議是能夠這個排附的基準是能夠按照行政院的提案來通過"},{"start":6673.581,"end":6697.241,"text":"那基本額度的部分的話雖然也有委員有提出不同的這個額度但是因為預估的經費會增加比較這個增加的經費一年增加經費會高達了572億到933億之間的不等的一個經費估算那也是為了兼顧政府財政的負擔所以我們建議是按照行政院的版本通過"},{"start":6698.442,"end":6721.789,"text":"那另外一個部分呢是針對了原住民的淨法補償金的部分盧憲一委員這邊有特別的一個提案那這個部分呢我們希望能夠請這個原住民委員會這邊是不是也能夠補充說明一下然後來看一下這個淨法補償金的一個定性以及目前的一個實際上的狀況 以上"},{"start":6726.107,"end":6753.28,"text":"好 那鄭天才委員不好意思 因為我要去質詢那個有關禁法補償的部分我了解到相關的部會的意見也不太一致也不是很確定無論是法務部或是這個法國會的意見也不是那麼明確所以為了確定我建議還是放在這個條文裡面"},{"start":6754.06,"end":6755.701,"text":"在這邊做這樣的一個建議 以上謝謝"},{"start":6781.974,"end":6807.219,"text":"主席 各位委員有關移民會這邊的意見金馬補償當然我們是非屬社會福利的津貼那是一個財產權的一個限制的補償也就是說它是非所得是損失補償就我們大概統計我們去年我們的優惠單位那邊有統計我們總共有五萬一千人平均是一年大概就九萬六"},{"start":6809.119,"end":6826.77,"text":"前三名的大概有一兩百萬以上都有所以如果要明定在法條裡面我們是尊重那個大院跟主管機關的意見以上好 謝謝請回答說明"},{"start":6833.218,"end":6856.936,"text":"謝謝主席這部分跟剛剛三十條是有點類似就是在這個每人的每月新台幣相關的部分是希望從三千元提升到五千元到死亡為止這個是我們當初莊委員希望能夠透過針對於我們這群弱勢的"},{"start":6857.737,"end":6876.756,"text":"民眾們說相對在因應這個物價波動過程當中帶來的衝擊不過我想剛剛主管機關也說明非常清楚這部分我們就充分尊重主管機關在修正的內涵就能夠一併處理"},{"start":6877.757,"end":6891.029,"text":"那其他的部分呢事實上就是跟行政院版是一致的所以我想我們可以接受行政院版的內容以上好謝謝王哲秀委員還沒見好沒有請召委"},{"start":6894.992,"end":6915.641,"text":"因為這個應該看起來當初本來像我版本也是我覺得事實上是參考老農津貼來修正我們的調整那個排付條款所以我也覺得剛剛部裡面已經有解釋我是覺得按照我們警政院提出來版本可是現在就要問的是是不是因為剛剛一直有在提到的也就是"},{"start":6916.881,"end":6930.652,"text":"有關我們的原住民族的那個禁法補償的幾戶的一個清零規定是要在這邊並同討論的還是那如果這樣的話我覺得可能要去考慮的像大概4萬多戶的原住民如果領那個禁法補償的"},{"start":6931.773,"end":6953.354,"text":"那如果以這樣子的一個條款應該如果是中低收入戶的話我覺得本來應該是可以去被接受可是如果全部都要開放的話還是要考慮到整體裁員還有一個就是所謂的公平正義的那如果說中低收入本來就是應該要照顧的那當然就因為他畢竟是弱勢我覺得可能要考慮到這個方向以上"},{"start":6954.556,"end":6962.503,"text":"這也是我的版本 健保補償是屬於國家的所謂的財產權受損的補償並不是社會福利的性質所以如果你領取國家補償然後又導致無法請領國民年金會形成國家補償這一筆然後又從另外一處扣回"},{"start":6979.398,"end":6996.003,"text":"有違反公平原則那所以我的可以討論的方向就是是不是可以一定的數做一個界限當然每一個民眾民主領導的金馬補償不一樣有的人是只有領幾萬塊如果他就也列入的話就"},{"start":6997.023,"end":7011.035,"text":"就覺得不公平那如果說按照這個我們現在是六十萬的話可以用這樣的一個基準來設比如說這個人他確實領到每年有超過六十萬的進訪補償的話就可以列入說他排庫的條款裡面"},{"start":7018.693,"end":7031.789,"text":"這個條文很抱歉30條跟31條這裡面都會涉及到剛剛那個王振旭委員有提到的那個基本年金那因為51條之後面51條之一還沒有"},{"start":7036.277,"end":7053.75,"text":"後面就是我們還沒有討論那個金額因為那個委員的版本都在後面那個都還沒有確認金額所以這兩條可能是不是先保留到後面那個確認之後再回來修因為這個金額我們現在目前的條文都是3000"},{"start":7054.771,"end":7084.058,"text":"但是后面如果修了之后再回来一起讨论这个条文至于这个排付的条件的部分我们是建议是按照行政院的版本来定这个排付条件那至于说这个进法补偿的部分因为这个有一点争议就是说因为它发放的那个额度的range很大它可以到上百万到几万块"},{"start":7084.665,"end":7108.181,"text":"所以如果全部都完全排除不在這個排富的這個財產計算的話怕有這個公平性的問題所以是不是對可能要我們再討論一下那個最多可以是多少如果像剛剛提到是說大概是一年是在九萬我覺得那個還可以接受但是有那個上百萬的"},{"start":7109.102,"end":7136.18,"text":"那個是不是也一定把它排除這個就可能有因為它是一年一直領下去的它並不是一次性的它是每年每年都一直領的所以這樣的話恐怕那個公平性會有問題當然這個健保補償還有一個它的比較特殊性只是它是以貨為原則所以有的時候它雖然是領這筆錢可是它要照顧的人非常多所以可能平均分它下去所以可能在細項的時候在討論的時候可能也可以再更細緻一點OK"},{"start":7141.533,"end":7154.141,"text":"31條先保留那我們進行第34條第34條提案的委員有吳仕堯委員等18人先請入部說明"},{"start":7164.278,"end":7177.653,"text":"跟各位委員報告34條的條文內容主要是針對身心障礙年金的一個情理的條文裡面呢也是有提到了所謂的額度以及經費負擔的歸屬這個部分那因為"},{"start":7181.717,"end":7203.029,"text":"今天的臨時動議裡面王振旭委員這邊也有動到34條的條文那因為34條的條文也是跟剛才30條31條一樣要討論到後面的條文了之後我們確認這個額度之後再能確認34條這邊要修正的一個文字所以這個部分是不是我們建議先保留好 請王振旭委員發言是 同意先保留好"},{"start":7209.946,"end":7226.304,"text":"那就第34條保留現在進行第36條條文提案的委員有吳思耀委員等18人請修正動議我們林玉琴召委所提案的第36條修正案先請問一步說明"},{"start":7234.578,"end":7251.507,"text":"三十六條的條文的部分因為有這個經費負擔歸屬的問題那這個經費負擔歸屬的問題我們林若晴委員也有提修正動議還有民進黨黨團委員這個部分我們尊重委員的大院的審議的結果好 請王毓民委員發言"},{"start":7257.831,"end":7285.349,"text":"關於第36條 他是要把原來這一個保證年金 身心障礙保證年金跟老年保證年金的經費從中央主管機關必須按年度編列預算之印要把它改成是按財力分級讓地方進來分攤那我提醒大家 這個卓榮泰院長對於新版的財劃法他是用不附屬"},{"start":7286.83,"end":7313.748,"text":"所以就是現在行政院長是用不附屬的情況讓這個整個財化法現在到底地方政府可不可以拿到這筆錢這還是一個問號還有爭議但是提案的委員用新版財化法為由就要從這邊由中央應該負的責任要轉嫁到地方我認為是非常的不妥大家知道國民年金的整個的開辦"},{"start":7314.989,"end":7335.985,"text":"事實上在那個裁員的部分大家如果看到原本的設計本來就是中央來主導所有的一切裁員保費也都是歸中央然後由中央來編列我覺得這樣子整個運作才會順暢你今天把它改成是按照地方財力分級我就問如果有地方"},{"start":7336.826,"end":7363.572,"text":"他的財力他說他沒有辦法支應那請問還要不要支付那這個責任誰負那這個會變成是一國多治導致我們的身心障礙者跟老年人他應該要取得的年金造成一種不公平的現象事實上社會福利不應該是這樣子我們不應該有這樣的一個差別待遇特別是他是國民年金我提醒大家所以這樣的提案基本上是反對的"},{"start":7364.772,"end":7390.369,"text":"這個不符合我們去保障每一個弱勢每一個應該領到國民年金的這一些家庭主婦也好長者也好他們的權利都應該是一致的一旦你在財力的部分你讓各縣市的這個責任再加進來各縣市執行不一的時候那個爭議會非常的大所以行政院也沒有提這樣的修正版本我建議就維持行政院現行的版本謝謝"},{"start":7396.273,"end":7419.93,"text":"我提出修正東西我覺得在在二零也就前年那時候上財務法的那個地板事實上是已經是通過的 直到去年的話事實上的確陳如玉女委員提到目前的狀況這樣 可是我既然我們財政收支法案已經修正的話 應該落實我們的"},{"start":7420.97,"end":7444.028,"text":"財權隨勢全移轉地方政府在財源增加的同時也應該承擔更多的社會福利的一個責任所以過去有中央負擔的部分今天因為改為來中央跟地方共同來負擔我覺得是制度比較合理的方向所以重點是財力比較好的地方政府就不應該再高度依賴中央資源因為有些已經事實上是"},{"start":7445.549,"end":7465.32,"text":"經費已經撥給在我們的地方了所以應該更積極的投入弱勢照顧跟我們的在地的社會福利那中央就持續維持基本保障跟我們的調節機制來確保各地的那個服務不自失衡來達成公平跟效率兼顧的那個目標謝謝林議前委員 接下來請陳金輝發言"},{"start":7468.524,"end":7496.811,"text":"剛剛有聽到主管機關說了嘛所以我們連行政院的版本都沒有把這些東西寫進來碰這麼大這麼有爭議性的責任改寫所以我認為不是很適合把目前這個財化法的爭議帶進來硬把一個福國利民的法律綁到這些財化法的攻防上因為我們今天國民年金要談的重點其實是聚焦在保障可不可以足夠調整機制合不合理那"},{"start":7498.391,"end":7515.099,"text":"我覺得把中央的責任改的地方很不合邏輯也不合制度的原理所以特別又去看了世界上其他國家是怎麼做的那當然我覺得衛生福利部的官員應該也有研究過每一個國家的做法然後我們才會寫出這樣子的版本"},{"start":7516.38,"end":7544.197,"text":"那這個本來就是中央的責任因為大家勞保不會修地方要幾副大家公保也不會修地方要幾副啊那我查了美國的社會安全年金是由聯邦體系來指引的英國的國家年金由全國性的國民保險基金指引加拿大的老年保障年金是聯邦政府體系澳洲高齡年金是澳洲政府的全國性收入支持"},{"start":7544.817,"end":7569.538,"text":"日本的基礎年金有國庫負擔德國的法定年金也有聯邦補助這些國家其實都有很成熟的地方社福但沒有看到哪一個國家是把全國性的法定年金及負責任依照地方的財力分歧切給地方政府去扛所以在這邊我是提議主席如果等一下大家都發言完沒有什麼共識我們就可以予以保留 謝謝"},{"start":7571.718,"end":7600.186,"text":"好 謝謝陳監務委員 接下來請王振旭委員發言好 謝謝主席 我想第36條基本上做這樣的修正動議是有他很希望能夠透過這個方式來解決地方跟中央如何去處理潮汙負擔不過因為36條會連動到54條之一就是相關的額度如果沒有定下來的話 事實上36條要做調整是"},{"start":7601.106,"end":7625.118,"text":"在一開始就不是太適合所以我也是先建議先保留我們看54之一機條的修正內容以後我們再回頭來看這個條文以上好 我們再請惠夫說明這個條文我想是不是就先保留到後面再一併討論這樣"},{"start":7627.179,"end":7653.512,"text":"好謝謝那我們就36條先行保留接下來進行第39條39條提案委員有蔡議員等17人王美惠委員等22人陳婷菲委員等16人以上請衛福部說明衛福部說明那這個部分39條的條文主要是針對"},{"start":7654.952,"end":7676.886,"text":"喪葬己父請領的一個條文的內容那主要的考慮是三位委員他們提案的主要的考慮都是認為目前的國民年金的喪葬己父沒有做過調整那希望能夠做調升來符合目前的實際上的一個需要那這邊我們是尊重大院審查的審議的結果好 請委員發言"},{"start":7682.902,"end":7701.296,"text":"因為這幾位委員今天就是沒有辦法到那但是就是我幫他們說明一下因為我有知道他們的原因因為商帳的費用其實隨著就是經濟的成長那其實也變高了那另外我們如果來看一下比照勞工的話那事實上勞工的商帳津貼是為10個月"},{"start":7703.337,"end":7725.711,"text":"那其實這個我們就整體的政府的財政來講的話因為它這個發生的次數非常的少可能一人就是醫生也許就只有一次那所以這個就整個財務來講我覺得應該是可以負擔那如果可以負擔的話那我們也給國民年金的就是被保險人"},{"start":7726.511,"end":7749.229,"text":"也給他稍微比較寬裕的比照勞工的話我想這也是照顧全民所以我是希望衛福部如果在財政上這個支出評估不是那麼高的話那就能夠接受蔡議委員 王美惠委員跟陳廷輝委員為了照顧就是國民年金的被保險人所提出來的修正 以上好 請完畢委員發言"},{"start":7750.56,"end":7769.699,"text":"我想這個涉及到那個給付然後這個我希望衛福部可以提出自己的一個比較專業的評估因為剛剛從前面到現在你們都提到事實上國民年金現在的他的裁員繳費情況他其實是虛弱的那任何一個天衣法動全身"},{"start":7771.48,"end":7788.029,"text":"這個部分我會蠻尊重主管機關你們在財力上面的評估這個不是喊價式的就是說整個你們評估認為哪一些怎麼樣的調整然後是符合的而且確實有必要性的因為這次大家共識最高的其實是去鬆綁"},{"start":7789.209,"end":7817.17,"text":"前面可以領取的資格但是你所有的給付條件要再調高的我覺得這個的確是要透過精算我覺得主計跟衛福部都應該好好地去整個好好精算一遍那真的有必要的我想大家會支持但是如果不是的話那國民年金大家都知道他的財務狀況事實上是不好的那今天各位委員大家都同意可以去放寬資格是因為物價"},{"start":7818.551,"end":7842.477,"text":"調升了所以有一些他是必要調整的所以我建議這一條也是一併保留然後你們全部一起評估完之後我也建議召委今天保留的我們可能下一次再來審因為他們剛剛一直在提到說財務的評估非常的重要那我希望他們針對今天所有財務要增加的項目他們都一併做出完整的評估那下一次您再召開"},{"start":7843.618,"end":7854.968,"text":"第二次的會議的時候他們必須把這個評估拿出來那大家有一個依據我們做一個很專業的審查我想這樣子就是符合這個修法的目的好不好 謝謝那接下來請問跟各位說明一下我們"},{"start":7861.835,"end":7890.328,"text":"比較了一下各個保險的這個一樣的這個商帳給付這是一次性給付如果是以公保為例的話大概是付這個30個月啦這是最多的那麼勞保的話我補充它有兩種一種是它是一般而言是5個月但是如果它沒有這個遺囑的話是10個月所以它有兩種"},{"start":7891.548,"end":7912.305,"text":"那但是以現在他的這個月投保金額是3萬多來計算的話大概是可以領大概17到20萬大概5個月的話大概17到20萬那農保的話呢他是可以領15個月的三藏津貼那他的月投保金額是2萬左右"},{"start":7914.867,"end":7924.779,"text":"跟國保差不多那國保現在也是差不多兩萬一千多那目前是五個月就是領十萬所以當然以金額來講相較於"},{"start":7928.143,"end":7935.45,"text":"老保跟農保的金額是比較低農保的話是30萬老保的話是17萬國保是10萬當然相對來講是比較低這個錢是來自於被保險人繳交的保險費來支應的"},{"start":7950.243,"end":7975.9,"text":"那因為他繳的保險費呢目前來講也是比較低就是以這個月投保金額只有用兩萬一千一來計算所以當然如果按照這個委員的版本調成十個月之後當然他的金額上就跟農勞保是相近那財務的影響一年大概是十二億的支出啦十二億的支出所以"},{"start":7979.742,"end":8004.569,"text":"這個是不是暫時不調算了啦還是要調調12億啦大概就是12億讓他貼近對對對就是就是可以貼近這個農勞保的的金額上來考慮的話就是這個按照那個委員的建議是不是可以讓他這個"},{"start":8007.479,"end":8022.858,"text":"這個調整這樣好謝謝部長現在請環修班委員發言謝謝主席那我先針對這一個部分就是那個商帳給付因為我們看到農保的那個商帳給付也是在這兩年當中這個從15萬然後調升到30萬"},{"start":8026.002,"end":8051.662,"text":"那我們看到這個國民年金的這個部分我們也希望就是像這樣給付能夠做一個調整因為如果是五萬的話其實跟其他的這個保險相較起來還是偏低那再來就是說會加入國民年金有的可能就是沒有其他的這個工作那我們也希望就是說藉由這樣的一個調升讓這個能夠更公平性我覺得應該像勞保的話"},{"start":8054.404,"end":8069.056,"text":"他現在就是差不多17萬多那農保差不多30萬嘛那工保更多嘛那所以我們希望就國民年金的這個部分我是希望能夠從5個月調升為10個月好謝謝好謝謝黃學旺委員現在請王正旭委員發言"},{"start":8069.696,"end":8090.665,"text":"好 謝謝主席我想蔡議員 王美惠委員跟陳菁惠委員他們有提出這個需求的確是一方面可以拉近跟勞保跟農保他們的一致性另外真的隨著各種生活這些要求在於各方面"},{"start":8091.665,"end":8112.912,"text":"照這個影響其實我們也可以理解這是一個人一輩子會有一次那對家人來講如果針對傷上給付他所需要費用也會隨著而增加的話事實上針對我們的國民年輕尤其是像弱勢的部分應該有好的條件來讓他們在"},{"start":8113.932,"end":8137.026,"text":"支付這個商帳費用的過程裡面也得到適當的支持所以我是蠻贊同說我們這三位委員所提出來把這個五個月調整十個月那剛剛部長也提到這樣的費用這是一次性的所以它是比較容易可以估出一個準確的費用在這裡面也期待大家一起來支持以上"},{"start":8140.575,"end":8142.456,"text":"好那現在請主席總處說明應該是"},{"start":8157.289,"end":8172.868,"text":"這個金額還可以委員報告因為這一筆商商給付是從基金這邊支出的所以跟剛才那個債限中央政府負擔那個債限有點不一樣是從國保基金裡面支出的"},{"start":8173.448,"end":8200.856,"text":"那依照國保基金的精算報告目前看起來它的收支不足的年度是在123年那基金用期的年度是138年那以主席總署的立場當然希望說這個基金的財務能夠健全那但是因為有兼顧一些給付的公平性等等這個我們會尊重這個衛福部的意見以上這個會影響到整個基金的精算"},{"start":8203.814,"end":8222.555,"text":"差不多了沒有一樣啊農保剛剛說多少不是農保是30萬農保30萬那我建議再調高再往上如果你們覺得財務是可以的話那就15萬那它如果是10個月的話剛剛我也贊成更接近嘛那再往上"},{"start":8224.11,"end":8241.302,"text":"再往上15萬因為我最擔心的是你們的財政既然你們覺得財政無虞的話那我建議就是如果要拉高的話剛剛那個利潤也是對的嘛那就是不止10萬我覺得15萬更接近這樣也沒有支出多少吧既然反正都可以增加已經到20了啦已經到20 10個月是20有到20嗎現在新的就是到20修正條文就是10個月就是20高於老保高於老保 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金算部分因為還有其他相關部分是不是就一起保留等一下我想請教一下那個是勞保局的同仁對不對就是你剛剛講一個很重要的概念就是說在各項保險裡面因為原本國民免金講五個月是因為勞保也是五個月"},{"start":8375.509,"end":8392.919,"text":"你的意思是這樣子嗎因為當初就是國民就是社會保險大概都是會相互參考比照所以以整個社會保最多的勞保以及國民年金這個保險的話他們當初涉及的話商帳這是指的商帳因為他們都還有配套移屬年金"},{"start":8393.839,"end":8414.809,"text":"那農保那邊是沒有移屬年齡所以其實這個是針對他練帳的費用的一個標準那兩邊都是五個月只是說兩邊的投保金額有差因為勞保也有低的也有高的我剛才講那個三萬多是一個平均的那國民銀行的投保金額是固定的是這樣的方式去設計制度的"},{"start":8415.182,"end":8440.63,"text":"好那是不是因為既然大家說保留我希望你們的專業意見跟衛福部討論一下就考量整個的橫平性怎麼樣的調整其實是一個合理的我們就尊重主管機關最後比較專業的一個考量好不好我想這個委員大概都會有各自的想法但是這個的確各個保險之間的橫平性各方面就是一併都兼顧這樣子好謝謝謝謝王一美會那"},{"start":8443.232,"end":8458.169,"text":"39條保留我們等一下進行42條討論完的時候休息10分鐘現在進行第42條第42條提案的委員有吳世耀委員等18人以上請入部說明"},{"start":8459.809,"end":8485.919,"text":"42條是有關於移屬年金那移屬年金這個條文除了吳思耀委員的等18人的提案之外那今天的王振旭委員這邊也有提出這個修正動議那主要的部分是有兩個第一個部分是在提到財務經費負擔的一個歸屬那另外一個部分是在針對清零額度那因為比照剛才前面的條文就是說第一個經費額度的歸屬"},{"start":8487.499,"end":8501.303,"text":"也是保留那青年的額度也是保留所以我們是建議42條的條文是先保留是同意先一起保留那就先保留那我們先休息10分鐘謝謝"},{"start":8519.971,"end":8535.085,"text":"你剛剛提到自助食 而且從國中自助食對啊 因為我們裡面已經真的很少人了都很少啊 偏小伙子對啊所以其實這個不一定是 一定要點自助食反正小伙子吃要加碼才叫自助食"},{"start":8551.751,"end":8553.392,"text":"中文字幕 李宗盛"},{"start":9108.793,"end":9133.741,"text":"好 繼續開會就針對第30條剛才沒有意見的就是說衛福部第30條是否一起先保留OK 謝謝好 30條保留那現在進行第47條47條提案的委員有吳士堯委員的18人以上請衛福部說明"},{"start":9136.595,"end":9145.52,"text":"47條的部分一樣是有提到是這個經費負擔的一個部分那這個部分是不是也建議保留第47條保留現在進行第50條"},{"start":9161.902,"end":9185.299,"text":"提案委員有楊秋英委員等36人邱貞君委員等21人民政黨黨團完美會等17人鄭天才委員等17人張志龍委員等16人范瑩委員等18人賴偉翔委員等18人張家俊委員等17人盧田委員等18人李坤城委員等20人賴思寶委員等28人以上請問不說明"},{"start":9190.427,"end":9204.43,"text":"这个50条就是刚才我们跟15条有联动关系的配偶的发还的条文那这个部分就如同刚才有讨论的就是按照行政院的版本做这个建议以上好达成共识那就按照行政院版本通过现在进行第54条之一"},{"start":9219.451,"end":9233.902,"text":"的修正案,有修正案2跟3不好意思,因為我的53跟31是一起的所以我們就先行保留,可以嗎?好,謝謝"},{"start":9236.195,"end":9253.926,"text":"第53條保留現在進行第54條之一54條提案的委員有何欣淳委員等17人邱正俊委員等17人王美惠委員等18人劉建國委員等16人馬文俊委員等20人徐巧信委員等18人楊瓊瑩委員等36人民眾黨黨團"},{"start":9259.609,"end":9280.346,"text":"陳俊宇委員長29人黃秀芳委員長21人羅廷維委員等16人王美惠委員等17人鄭天才委員等17人張最龍委員等16人郭國榮委員等17人徐富奎委員等18人范瑩委員等18人林倩琪委員等18人徐宇峥委員等17人"},{"start":9281.387,"end":9305.804,"text":"蘇清泉委員等19人,廖偉祥委員等18人,張家俊委員等17人,林思明委員等19人,邱振鈞委員等19人,盧欣穎委員等17人以上邱振鈞有,王振旭委員,劉建國委員以上請六部說明"},{"start":9309.525,"end":9337.883,"text":"54條之一的部分是基本額度的一個條文那裡面有包含了額度調整機制還有一個就是CPI跟勤領的條件那這邊的話我們針對勤領額度部分的話我們建議外府部這邊是建議是依照行政院的建議條文那另外一個部分呢在CPI的調整機制這邊我們也是先我們是建議也是按照行政院的這個版本"},{"start":9338.443,"end":9341.95,"text":"來進行討論的一個基礎那因為這個54條之一的條文非常的委員非常的多有這個提案那這邊我們也聽聽就是委員的意見以上"},{"start":9353.038,"end":9369.489,"text":"主席跟各位人說明一下這個條文主要是有三個重點第一個就是基本的這個額度的調升那目前的話是四千四零四九啦那行政院的版本跟"},{"start":9371.19,"end":9389.821,"text":"幾位委員的版本大概都是把它提高到5000然後身障的話是6715這樣的話我們一年的支出要增加156.3億至於其他委員的版本那麼有6000的話調高到6000的話會增加到320億"},{"start":9391.482,"end":9414.812,"text":"那如果是到7000的話會增加483億到8000的話就會增加到650億左右如果是10000的話會增加933億就是近千億的規模所以這個額度的部分我們是希望能夠按照行政院的版本來調升那麼比照這個老農津貼一樣是23.5%"},{"start":9416.613,"end":9441.451,"text":"那第二個就是CPI的調整那是以四年為一次檢討的機制但是呢也新增了一個期中檢討就是兩年到的時候如果CPI的成長幅度超過3%也可以做調整所以這個條文最主要是有這三個重點那麼再請委員能夠支持行政院的版本"},{"start":9451.394,"end":9467.777,"text":"有兩個修法重點我一樣支持原本因為第一關於最低給付的保障金額的問題今年真的物價持續上漲可是現行我們的製作雖然設有每四年調整機制可是實際上因為基本的數額"},{"start":9468.817,"end":9497.597,"text":"偏低所以難以反應我們的通貨的壓力也不足以支應民眾最低的生活需求所以本次修法優先去調高那個基準的金額還有調整我們的條文的文字讓制度更貼近現實那我一直接到我們的身障朋友的陳情一直希望能夠調升相關經濟希望這次也能夠順利通過第二在調整機制上我們認為四年一次過於僵化所以現在新增如果每兩年"},{"start":9498.337,"end":9520.107,"text":"我們的檢討機制只要消費者的物價指數能夠成就假設成長達到3%的話就應該啟動調整也會讓制度能夠及時回應通膨的能力而不是讓弱勢的民眾被動承受物價的上漲我跟你講第三就是國民年金的核心精神事實上是保障經濟弱勢的基本生活所以本制度本來就不應該設"},{"start":9521.508,"end":9541.213,"text":"最低納保的年資門檻只要符合請領資格的話就應該可以領取年金不應該是有沒有涉及或是長期旅居國外而受到限制同時大本是調高的基本數額涉及到政府財政支出所以也要兼顧到"},{"start":9541.753,"end":9556.962,"text":"我們的財政紀律跟世代正義的問題所以我覺得新增的條件規範只要有符合一定的條件者才能領取調整後的比較高的金額所以簡單來說修法前已勤領者如果不符合新條件的話難應該維持原金額"},{"start":9560.064,"end":9578.725,"text":"修法后如果申请者必须符合原本资格跟新增条件才能够领取调整后之额如果不符合条件的话还是只能领取修法前的水准这样的设计是在照顾弱势和跟财政公平之间取得一个平衡所以事实上是支持院版因为这个看起来"},{"start":9579.286,"end":9592.422,"text":"院板已經有計算過說165.3億事實上是最能夠做財政負擔 否則的話到933億那個局在應該超過局在上限了好 以上好 謝謝林耀信 張偉好 王振興委員發言"},{"start":9598.322,"end":9617.532,"text":"謝謝主席我想這個五十四之一真的是非常重要而且非常核心的這次的修法內容剛剛我們部長也說明了非常清楚比較各個版本我們非常多的委員都有提供相關的版本那相較之下透過好的精算"},{"start":9618.112,"end":9632.691,"text":"在嚴守這個財政紀律還有兼顧這個世代正義我們不希望真的舉債超過上限造成對社會對於財務的衝擊所以看起來行政院版本應該是"},{"start":9633.852,"end":9652.888,"text":"相對來講在這麼多版本裡面是兼顧到社會正義跟我們這些民主與國民聯盟的需求所以我也很贊成用行政院版的內容來通過以上好 謝謝王正旭委員好 請黃秀芳委員發言"},{"start":9654.877,"end":9679.044,"text":"好 謝謝 這個五十四條之一那最主要是建立幾副定期調整機制那我這邊就是說增訂CPI成長率達一定的門檻的時候提前調整的這個規定那國民年金就是基礎的保障型年金我們也希望就是說不要那麼僵化如果是在那個中央主計"},{"start":9681.245,"end":9706.536,"text":"這個機關發布的最近一年的消費者物價指數那如果相較於這個調整之前的一年的消費者物價指數成長達3%的時候應該要做一個調整而不受這個四年的這個限制那因為國民年金確實是一個基礎的一個保障年金那其實就是讓我們的民眾能夠有一個維持最低的一個生活水準所以我覺得說也不要太僵化能夠"},{"start":9707.536,"end":9726.522,"text":"隨著這個物價的這個來做一個調整好謝謝好謝謝那有請邱慧如委員發言謝謝主席那關於五十四條之一我們台灣民眾黨提出的修法的一個想法是就是關於那個額度國民年金的勤領額度那我們"},{"start":9727.842,"end":9754.992,"text":"就是在一般國民的部分就是希望能夠調升到五千元那如果是身障的國民年金希望能夠調升到六千二這樣子那當然這個數字我想是一個大摘文到底是要喊到什麼程度我覺得可能見仁見智有不同的看法那我們目前就是對於數字是初步這樣的想法那當然也可以聽聽各界對於這個數字所衍生出來的財務負擔的沉重度"},{"start":9757.074,"end":9778.556,"text":"來做進一步的調整這是關於額度的部分那再來就是因為國民年金如果每四年才做一次檢討其實這個期程有點過長那因為剛剛很多委員先進也提到說就是物價指數的成長然後通膨因素再加上其實各界也都在做調息那可能"},{"start":9779.136,"end":9796.528,"text":"如果國民年金還是原地踏步的話沒有逐年或者是每四年、每兩年來做一個檢討可能也會影響到請你國民年金者的實質的購買力那可能對於他們基本生活的維持就會產生一定程度的衝擊所以我們這邊主張說國民年金來做調整的期程從原本的四年這個把它縮短為兩年那這個是參考農民的退休儲金條例"},{"start":9806.255,"end":9835.875,"text":"所做的一個修正那除此之外就是參考的因素也調整的因素也參考了這個勞保的條例然後只要物價指數的成長率達到5%就應該啟動調整的機制這樣那這是關於我們台灣民眾黨所提出的版本那希望的就是能夠讓國民的實質購買力不要受到影響維持一定的生活水準以上說明"},{"start":9838.817,"end":9860.25,"text":"現在請王月明委員發言好54條之一這個是關鍵性的條文那因為很多委員有不同數的版本那我個人基本上行政院是有經過這個財力的精算覺得負擔得起所以他的版本是調高到5000然後身障是到6715那"},{"start":9862.791,"end":9878.3,"text":"原則上是尊重行政院提出來的版本但是我要講因為今天目前在現場有一些有提案的委員其實沒有在現場所以我是建議召委就是說因為前面也有一些相對性的調整的條文都是保留的"},{"start":9878.76,"end":9904.872,"text":"那這一條呢也是可以保留到這個朝野協商的時候也讓一些要爭取比較高的委員他們也可以聽到行政部門的意見就是說那個財力負擔是多少那他是不是仍然堅持他這樣的一個版本有一個更周延的討論那我要再次提醒就是國民年金事實上他在各項保險裡面他現在相對是"},{"start":9906.593,"end":9921.733,"text":"比較脆弱的因為他的保費繳交保費的人意願不高沒有達到50%我們很少看到我們任何一個保險是這樣的一個情況那所以他長期我覺得不只是今天我們討論就是說各項支出"},{"start":9924.256,"end":9952.624,"text":"大家都是基於善意希望可以再調高但是他的收入面怎麼樣去提高保費繳納的意願我覺得這個是我們中央政府一個很艱難的挑戰因為他從開辦到現在一直就呈現這樣這個狀態就是沒有辦法去提高他繳納保費的這個提高他的比率所以委員大家意見都很好想要去照顧更多弱勢的但是在這個層面上他本身他的體質"},{"start":9953.644,"end":9976.492,"text":"其實是蠻差的保費不到50%這個真的多數都是仰賴中央政府的一些收益不斷的挹注所以我希望這個因為今天有很多的條文都是保留的那回去之後包括剛剛像勞保局其實也提出蠻專業的意見就是大家把一些最專業的評估然後包括彩利"},{"start":9977.092,"end":9999.769,"text":"然後就是整體的建議我覺得這個要一個國民年金的修正我個人認為要更審慎一點因為他基本上他的保費收入就是很低的一個情況但是他想要照顧的對象又是相對沒有收入的一個弱勢本質開辦國民年金的利益良善但是這樣的一個保險"},{"start":10001.681,"end":10018.179,"text":"怎麼走下去更長更遠然後又符合很多委員大家希望說要照顧就是要不斷的調高然後去照顧我覺得它是一個蠻艱難的挑戰所以我希望回去之後你們在收入面同時可能也應該要"},{"start":10019.58,"end":10045.326,"text":"怎麼樣提高保費也應該要去改善那支出面怎麼樣是一個合理的在兼顧保障弱勢跟財力可負擔的情況底下就是做一個更審慎的評估我覺得這樣可能才是比較負責任對於整個國民年金保險制度走得更長更久我們應該要共同去思考的事情以上提供建議 謝謝謝謝王月明委員接下來請范瑩文發言"},{"start":10049.598,"end":10062.423,"text":"我的版本跟願版一樣就是從這個一般的年金從原本的3,500然後調整到5,000元那身心障礙年金的給付這個部分則是從原本的4,700調整到6,715元"},{"start":10066.264,"end":10090.731,"text":"那如同我剛剛一開始所講的其實這一次的這個條幅已經相當高那當然就是說可以理解有些委員希望能夠給更好的照顧那當然我也贊成就是說就是先保留那我想剛剛那個衛福部這邊有報告到舉債上限這個部分我們全盤來再評估一下好 以上好 謝謝 因為事後清雪沒有不在"},{"start":10091.411,"end":10119.807,"text":"他的版本大概是調整到8000元然後升薪大概是到1萬元那我看那個數額的論據非常大所以可能我們就建議先行保留謝謝這條保留第54條之一保留現在進行第55條的條文討論提案的委員有何欣淳委員等17人以上請為我部說明"},{"start":10121.017,"end":10145.354,"text":"好第55條的條文主要的部分是針對給付金額要抵扣抵這個欠費的部分那主要的這個委員只有何欣淳委員等17人的提案那主要的部分是希望能夠做抵扣那這個部分是行政院沒有修正的版本我們希望能夠建議維持原條文以上"},{"start":10147.103,"end":10169.775,"text":"我跟主席跟各位委員補充說明他的概念是這樣就是說你沒有繳保費等到比如說剛剛講說你要請領一個商帳補助的時候領下來的錢先扣掉你之前的保費餘額再給你可是他的問題是因為他這個有一個這個我們追繳的期限"},{"start":10170.956,"end":10196.365,"text":"所以等於是我一生都不用繳但是我最後領這一筆錢呢再去扣抵掉前十年呢就好所以這個其實是不符合公平的原則所以不應該是這樣是有繳的人才領而不是說我都不用繳等到我要領錢的時候我再把繳費抵掉這個已經喪失了保險的精神所以這個我們覺得不要修維持原條文好"},{"start":10197.486,"end":10211.996,"text":"可以嗎?那就維持現行條文好謝謝這要進行第59條討論提案的委員有蔡宇委員等17人王美惠委員等22人陳庭堆委員等16人"},{"start":10219.582,"end":10229.094,"text":"甄天才委員等17人,詹志龍委員等16人,廖偉祥委員等18人,張家俊委員等17人。以上,請外部說明。"},{"start":10233.232,"end":10254.304,"text":"59條是針對施行日期的條文那我想這個施行日期的部分呢是授權給我們行政單位來做一個相關的準備之後來由行政院來做相關的一個施行發布先做這樣的一個建議所以呢是以這個行政院版本為我們的請委員支持"},{"start":10254.738,"end":10282.115,"text":"好 剛才沒有唸那個是完整序文跟劉建國委員有提修正動議好 那我們就先行保留請問各位有沒有異議沒有那個主席 針對那個第55條的部分就是說那個請你年金就是開專戶那一次性的部分是不是也可以開專戶就第55條的部分開專戶就是剛才何欣淳委員的嗎對對對"},{"start":10292.836,"end":10310.628,"text":"是說明一下剛才委員所提到的這個開專戶的部分那我們在實務作業上是可以配合辦理的所以我們可以支持委員剛才所提到的建議以上是開專戶嗎第55條"},{"start":10320.461,"end":10321.883,"text":"我們是跟著社會維持現前條文"},{"start":10338.462,"end":10363.176,"text":"如果按照剛才委員所提到的一個建議的時候我們建議在現行條文55條的第二項我來跟大家報告這個文字依本法規定請領這個給付原來現在現行條文叫做年金給付我們把年金那兩個字拿掉在事務作業上是可以做到的以上報告來了"},{"start":10373.925,"end":10393.662,"text":"剛剛黃秀芳委員的意思是說現在因為很多社會保險保障一些有些被保險人他可能會被法院扣那個帳戶那以前現行的條文是只有年金給付可以排除被扣帳戶那有一些像剛剛大家討論的商帳給付那種一次性的給付呢"},{"start":10394.202,"end":10410.329,"text":"民眾是並不能向勞保局申請開立帳戶所以如果是一次性的給付他還是會去進入一般性的金融帳號那這種錢譬如說剛剛上帳給付十萬塊進去如果他有被法院強制執行的話他這個十萬塊就會被執行走沒辦法去"},{"start":10411.389,"end":10430.555,"text":"支付他的這個電帳費用就是其實有些其他社會保險其實也都是現在就是一致也有的把這一次性的給付也都列入保障這個被保險人給付的範圍那黃委員的意思就是可以考量這個尤其像商帳給付這種性質他甚至是"},{"start":10431.395,"end":10442.793,"text":"很這個救急啊所以說是不是可以讓這個傷脹脊膚的被保險人也可以跟勞保局申請開立專戶不會被這個行政執行或者是法院執行"},{"start":10444.32,"end":10468.123,"text":"應該這樣講我來補充說明這整個現行的條文第55條的現行條文呢它是這樣子它的第二項指的是說如果按照這個本法規定領到的年金給付跟53條所訂的給付它可以開立一個專戶進去然後第三項說這個專戶只要進這個專戶就不可以拿來做其他的"},{"start":10469.063,"end":10483.833,"text":"這個抵銷扣押或者是強制執行的標的就是不會被其他的債權人拿走啦概念是這樣那以目前的條文是只能有年金給付進莊戶保障他不會被拿去做其他債務請求"},{"start":10485.339,"end":10512.521,"text":"那但是呢剛剛黃秀安委員是說那本法本保險的不只只有年金給付啊還有其他像剛剛的一次性給付像有些是生育給付有些是像商帳給付有些是像遺囑給付那這些是不是都可以進裝戶不被這個這個剛剛提到的那些這個扣押啦或者是擔保強制等這樣"},{"start":10513.462,"end":10536.84,"text":"大概是這個概念啦我跟委員報告 縣民眾是他因為現在開專戶通常是到特定的金融機構啦譬如說郵局或土銀 他願意配合因為這作為比較麻煩那這些土銀或者是郵局他必須是我們公家單位 勞保局出具一個說"},{"start":10537.7,"end":10563.601,"text":"你可以開一專戶他才來辦理所以民眾會去檢附之下跟我們申請這個公文那目前依法令只有年金申請年金譬如老年年金傷障那個失能年金他是申請年金給付按月給付的我們才依法令這條五四條之一的第二項可以開給他假如現在一個民眾他是像剛剛部長說的如果是生育給付或者是傷障"},{"start":10564.501,"end":10589.879,"text":"這種一次性的因為它並不是法令所規定的年金給付那我們沒有法令依據可以開這個公文給民眾說你可以去開立專戶所以導致於現在實務上面一次性給付的被保險它還是只能用一般性的金融帳號入給付帳戶那這樣導致的風險就是說它如果這個帳戶已經被法院通知金融機構扣押的話"},{"start":10590.399,"end":10618.286,"text":"那我們給付的金額一進去他帳戶可能就會被金融站會扣押那所以事實上也有一些民眾是希望說一次性的給付是不是也可以比照年金可以開立專戶而專戶的話金融機構都還是用同一個戶頭他會合併可能不只是我們連社會福利可能也是都在他如果都是用郵局可能就用同一個帳號只是他可以接受社會福利也可以接受年金也可以接受一次只是因為現行法令中並不容許我們"},{"start":10619.626,"end":10640.197,"text":"用一次性 勞保局也不能用就是勞保局在給付帳戶的時候對於醫院法律沒有授權所以我們還是進一般的帳戶所以說如果說這次把年金放寬就變成說一次性的給付也可以開立帳戶的話這樣對於有一次性給付需求的人他也可以避免到他這個給付金額被法院扣押"},{"start":10641.892,"end":10650.569,"text":"那個是同意但是我的好奇是為什麼他不能在同一個帳戶裡面他年金幾付他一次性幾付他所有的幾付都在同一個帳戶啊"},{"start":10653.651,"end":10679.104,"text":"現在把它排除是 但是我有跟委員報告就是有時候他民眾譬如像生育給付他還沒領老年所以他他現在只有一次性給付的需要的時候他單獨來跟我們申請就是在前期的時候對 我依法我沒辦法同意他開一個一次性專戶那他就變得不能夠開專戶我們只能用一般性賬戶入賬那就的確是有這杯扣押的風險OK好請完證書委員發言"},{"start":10684.465,"end":10712.1,"text":"謝謝主席我想剛剛市部長還有我們勞動部的長官說明得非常清楚大家也知道說第55條的確在那個第二項的部分希望能夠把勤領年金幾戶就把年金這兩個字做做移除這樣就能夠符合我們期待的這個針對於相關的這個內容可以做完整的處理"},{"start":10712.6,"end":10729.48,"text":"那在程序上我們是不是需要請主管機關這邊寫一個修正動議讓大家共同來處理我重新宣告因為剛才是第55條是保留嘛那現在是請漢氏環修方委員這邊提一個修正動議為此先請調委"},{"start":10731.802,"end":10745.691,"text":"剛剛55條就是那個不予修正因為有核心存委員提出55條不予修正那現在我們等於是因為有這個條文的提案所以我們才有處理的空間所以我們趕快寫一個修正動議請在場的委員這個看黃學光有沒有要提修正動議"},{"start":10761.719,"end":10777.727,"text":"主席有個建議就是說因為何清淳委員他也本身有提案那是不是我們透過這個提案去做修正動議這樣可以把這個程序可以修正修正何清淳委員的提案內容這樣那就按照這樣子"},{"start":10779.437,"end":10792.521,"text":"那等他們來練一下不一樣的然後他又不在這不太好啦對"},{"start":10799.427,"end":10820.362,"text":"因為有這個條文有修正這個條文的提案因為有55條有委員提案所以我們可以提一個修正動議不是說用核心做委員用他的不太好我們就提一個修正動議現場的委員簽名就可以好不好好這個就利用這個機會這個其實大家的疑慮我尊重也可以修了"},{"start":10821.583,"end":10850.903,"text":"事實上如果從第一項來看不應該發生這種事情從第一項所以除非是說這個司法機關扣押錯誤所以這個部分為了防範我也不反對因為如果是這樣的話我就擔心因為不是只有這個法還有很多別的法律都有類似這樣的條文所以這部分也一併說明這也讓法務部了解"},{"start":10851.785,"end":10853.732,"text":"有什麼事嗎?沒有啦,他在搶阿伯的阿伯阿伯"},{"start":10892.003,"end":10911.373,"text":"這如果我丟一槍就好了對啊,你丟一副錯誤,是那個年紀也有刪除啦不是啊,那沒關係,沒關係,沒關係因為他打的就是,你那刪除的也不會打啊對啊,你說的是要讀啊沒關係啦,你這槍就好了"},{"start":10920.218,"end":10920.639,"text":"江峰委員簽名"},{"start":10960.59,"end":10963.572,"text":"沒有啦,稍微不是已經被簽名了嗎?稍微已經簽名啦"},{"start":10968.035,"end":10987.366,"text":"要先給稍微,稍微再聽聽看,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦,對啦"},{"start":11010.422,"end":11013.105,"text":"說完就沒了"},{"start":11023.983,"end":11032.033,"text":"這裏有蠻好看的,那裏有很多條紋。前面,就是釋迦書的上面。這裏沒有修到,我們來一起看。"},{"start":11045.914,"end":11066.883,"text":"好 因為前面有帶刀機 這邊有清水 應該可以清水來啦 主席 剛好你們都可以找我這一次的老闆給我拍一張照片可以一致同仁的公開這張照片可以幫我拍一張照片"},{"start":11095.992,"end":11099.334,"text":"好那就第15條按照魯憲議員等"},{"start":11103.715,"end":11106.241,"text":"8人修正動力通過"},{"start":11116.041,"end":11135.441,"text":"好 今天保留的條文很多涉及政府整體的財務負擔能力委員有要求為何不及主計單位先行帶回精算及研究以利後續條文審查所以我們今天是不是先討論到這邊再安排時間第二輪的審查請問各位委員有異議OK"},{"start":11139.701,"end":11151.731,"text":"我們作為一下決議 國民年金部份條文修正草案等37案尚未審查完略令則其繼續審查本次會議到此結束 現在上會"},{"start":11160.484,"end":11161.024,"text":"有沒有學商嗎?"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}