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利避險的時候"},{"start":5703.82,"end":5706.82,"text":"台灣央行的黃金持有量卻是一條死魚"},{"start":5706.82,"end":5708.82,"text":"幾十年沒有成長"},{"start":5708.82,"end":5710.82,"text":"好我在這邊有一個具體"},{"start":5710.82,"end":5711.82,"text":"針對"},{"start":5712.77,"end":5715.77,"text":"這兩個這樣的訴求總裁你可以一併的"},{"start":5715.77,"end":5717.77,"text":"這個表達您的看法"},{"start":5717.77,"end":5721.77,"text":"在降低資產配置高風險的策略提出"},{"start":5721.77,"end":5725.77,"text":"如何解決主要債券過度集中的風險的說明"},{"start":5725.77,"end":5728.77,"text":"是否評估真實其他工業國家的債券"},{"start":5728.77,"end":5732.77,"text":"來分散風險並間接強化外交影響力"},{"start":5732.77,"end":5735.77,"text":"另外也提出黃金持有策略的評估報告"},{"start":5735.77,"end":5738.77,"text":"為新台幣提供更強大的實質支撐"},{"start":5738.77,"end":5743.77,"text":"對應全球的債信貨幣的貶值潮"},{"start":5743.77,"end":5746.77,"text":"來那個總裁您回應一下"},{"start":5746.77,"end":5747.77,"text":"對"},{"start":5747.77,"end":5752.77,"text":"我覺得委員分析得很好"},{"start":5752.77,"end":5754.77,"text":"你分析得很好"},{"start":5754.77,"end":5758.77,"text":"不過我想因為你時間也有限"},{"start":5758.77,"end":5761.77,"text":"所以你也要我們做功課"},{"start":5761.77,"end":5763.77,"text":"那我非常贊同就是說"},{"start":5763.77,"end":5767.77,"text":"我們也來就是說做個功課來看看"},{"start":5767.77,"end":5769.77,"text":"能不能來說服我們委員"},{"start":5769.77,"end":5771.77,"text":"然後所提出來的這個"},{"start":5771.77,"end":5773.77,"text":"說服表示都不調整"},{"start":5776.13,"end":5781.13,"text":"當然啦就是說這個我所謂的說服的話"},{"start":5781.13,"end":5784.13,"text":"表示就是說我們的做法是什麼"},{"start":5784.13,"end":5787.13,"text":"也不是說就是硬梆梆的就No"},{"start":5787.13,"end":5789.13,"text":"也不是這個意思"},{"start":5789.13,"end":5790.13,"text":"那我們一定會"},{"start":5790.13,"end":5791.13,"text":"那兩週內提供出來好嗎"},{"start":5791.13,"end":5792.13,"text":"是一定會"},{"start":5792.13,"end":5797.13,"text":"那另外本席要針對這個"},{"start":5797.13,"end":5799.13,"text":"當然外匯存底是可以穩健"},{"start":5799.13,"end":5801.13,"text":"但不能過度集中"},{"start":5801.13,"end":5803.13,"text":"這是本席一再強調"},{"start":5803.13,"end":5805.13,"text":"其他工業國家的債券"},{"start":5805.13,"end":5807.13,"text":"你是否也予以評估"},{"start":5807.13,"end":5808.13,"text":"黃金可以不追高"},{"start":5808.13,"end":5810.13,"text":"但是不能沒有策略"},{"start":5810.13,"end":5812.13,"text":"來維持國內物價跟貨率的穩定"},{"start":5812.13,"end":5816.13,"text":"央行必須具備與時俱進的合理外匯存底"},{"start":5816.13,"end":5818.13,"text":"跟黃金資產的配置"},{"start":5818.13,"end":5819.13,"text":"那這是本席的"},{"start":5819.13,"end":5822.13,"text":"還是一個最終的一個期待"},{"start":5822.13,"end":5826.13,"text":"那另外我針對信用管制的無差別性"},{"start":5826.13,"end":5829.13,"text":"那這個台灣房價的所得比"},{"start":5829.13,"end":5831.13,"text":"就是衡量購屋壓力的指標"},{"start":5831.13,"end":5833.13,"text":"呈現的是區域分化"},{"start":5833.13,"end":5836.13,"text":"這個六都跟其他縣市"},{"start":5836.13,"end":5838.13,"text":"即使是六都"},{"start":5838.13,"end":5842.13,"text":"北、中南、高雄市、高雄市跟台北市"},{"start":5842.13,"end":5845.13,"text":"整個在這個購屋的壓力的指標"},{"start":5845.13,"end":5847.13,"text":"就已經有很大的不一樣"},{"start":5847.13,"end":5851.13,"text":"所以央行是否考慮分級管制"},{"start":5851.13,"end":5855.13,"text":"譬如說針對特定的房屋過熱區"},{"start":5855.13,"end":5857.13,"text":"淡黃區實施高強度的管制"},{"start":5857.13,"end":5861.13,"text":"但給予非六都或基礎建設發展中的地區"},{"start":5861.13,"end":5865.13,"text":"或者是北、中、南、東"},{"start":5865.5,"end":5868.5,"text":"我們的區域發展是不平衡的"},{"start":5868.5,"end":5871.5,"text":"那是不是給予非六都"},{"start":5871.5,"end":5874.5,"text":"或者是北、中、南、東不同的區域"},{"start":5874.5,"end":5876.5,"text":"或者是在基礎建設發展中的地區"},{"start":5876.5,"end":5879.5,"text":"有較大的信貸彈性"},{"start":5879.5,"end":5882.5,"text":"那給予支持地方創生跟人口回流"},{"start":5882.5,"end":5885.5,"text":"所以在這邊是不是您願意來"},{"start":5885.5,"end":5887.5,"text":"評估滾動式的檢討"},{"start":5887.5,"end":5891.5,"text":"納入區域差異指標"},{"start":5891.5,"end":5892.5,"text":"在你做信貸的時候"},{"start":5892.5,"end":5894.5,"text":"因為就我一個直轄市"},{"start":5894.5,"end":5895.5,"text":"高雄市"},{"start":5895.5,"end":5897.5,"text":"我就覺得我跟台北市的資源"},{"start":5897.5,"end":5899.5,"text":"長期以來就分配不均了"},{"start":5899.5,"end":5900.5,"text":"我不要說六都"},{"start":5900.5,"end":5903.5,"text":"光是六都我就覺得北、中、南"},{"start":5903.5,"end":5904.5,"text":"就已經有很大的差別了"},{"start":5904.5,"end":5907.5,"text":"我們跟台南、高雄、台北"},{"start":5907.5,"end":5908.5,"text":"我就覺得差別很大"},{"start":5908.5,"end":5911.5,"text":"包括新北也是一樣"},{"start":5911.5,"end":5913.5,"text":"我都覺得我們都"},{"start":5913.5,"end":5915.5,"text":"覺得相關的資源基礎建設"},{"start":5915.5,"end":5919.5,"text":"我們南部高雄就有一條快速道路"},{"start":5919.5,"end":5921.5,"text":"你很難想像"},{"start":5921.5,"end":5922.5,"text":"你在"},{"start":5922.66,"end":5925.66,"text":"台北、新北、基隆、桃園"},{"start":5925.66,"end":5927.66,"text":"幾十條的"},{"start":5927.66,"end":5930.66,"text":"幾十條一二十條的這個快速道路"},{"start":5930.66,"end":5931.66,"text":"你很難想像"},{"start":5931.66,"end":5932.66,"text":"快速道"},{"start":5932.66,"end":5934.66,"text":"我們高雄就一個八八"},{"start":5934.66,"end":5935.66,"text":"屏東高雄一條"},{"start":5935.66,"end":5937.66,"text":"現在要增建第二條"},{"start":5937.66,"end":5938.66,"text":"叫做國區"},{"start":5938.66,"end":5942.66,"text":"你看北部、台北、新北、桃園、基隆"},{"start":5942.66,"end":5945.66,"text":"包括它的這個捷運的綿密度"},{"start":5945.66,"end":5947.66,"text":"所以光是這樣的基礎建設"},{"start":5947.66,"end":5950.66,"text":"包括只是說你在做信貸的時候"},{"start":5950.66,"end":5952.66,"text":"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謝謝"},{"start":13238.03,"end":13240.03,"text":"謝謝 謝謝 謝謝委員"},{"start":13240.03,"end":13242.03,"text":"謝謝洪委員 再來請"},{"start":13242.03,"end":13244.03,"text":"林楚一委員質詢"},{"start":13244.03,"end":13246.03,"text":"林楚一委員 不在"},{"start":13246.8,"end":13248.8,"text":"請洪孟凱委員"},{"start":13248.8,"end":13250.8,"text":"洪孟凱委員 不在"},{"start":13250.8,"end":13252.8,"text":"請林倩琪委員"},{"start":13252.8,"end":13254.8,"text":"林倩琪委員"},{"start":13254.8,"end":13256.8,"text":"林倩琪委員 不在"},{"start":13256.8,"end":13258.8,"text":"請陳冠廷委員"},{"start":13258.8,"end":13260.8,"text":"陳冠廷委員"},{"start":13260.8,"end":13262.8,"text":"陳冠廷委員 不在"},{"start":13262.8,"end":13264.8,"text":"請葉元之委員"},{"start":13264.8,"end":13266.8,"text":"葉元之委員 不在"},{"start":13269.17,"end":13271.17,"text":"本次會議"},{"start":13270.93,"end":13272.93,"text":"作如下決定"},{"start":13273.56,"end":13275.56,"text":"今日發言登記委員軍旅"},{"start":13275.56,"end":13277.56,"text":"詢答完畢 本次會議"},{"start":13277.56,"end":13279.56,"text":"作如下決定 一 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