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他直接說曾經代訪過中國國民黨團然後這個黨團有答應他行政院提的人選 我們都會允許通過"},{"start":2551.127,"end":2563.364,"text":"所以在這邊呢我們再一次的要再一次的宣示因為立法院行使人事的同意權這是憲法所賦予的我們的責任跟我們的權利那本來這個人選就要受到審查"},{"start":2568.01,"end":2582.015,"text":"它並不存在行政院跟立法院或行政院跟某一個立法院黨團之間的私相授受不應該存在我們也不會接受所以國民黨團其實在跟"},{"start":2586.036,"end":2589.578,"text":"卓榮泰院長在總諮詢的時候以及我們在大會提案的時候我們的說明都非常清楚的說明這一點但是我們在這邊還是要特別要講的就是我們國民黨團是秉持憲法所賦予給我們的責任"},{"start":2604.528,"end":2617.7,"text":"是專業審查來嚴格把關絕對不涉及所謂的私相授受我想這一點一定要說跟外界一定要非常釐清的非常清楚照理講卓榮泰院長應該為"},{"start":2620.222,"end":2630.265,"text":"他的失言或者他錯誤的認知或者他放出來的錯誤的假訊息應該跟立法院國民黨團在野黨團道歉才對那當然我們今天這個協調會看起來應該會有一個比較這個就是我們"},{"start":2639.887,"end":2658.156,"text":"期待的一個結果我們還是希望這個行政院趕快本於職權本於依法行政儘快的來任命我們所通過的人事案好 以上謝謝好 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離法定人數至少差1人"},{"start":2755.129,"end":2771.282,"text":"那這是誰的錯?這是行政院長的錯嗎?我想我們待會最後再來究責誰的錯行政院長我也不需要問他了我們公開查新聞他在公開的發言跟備詢的時候多次表達"},{"start":2772.443,"end":2791.586,"text":"他會依法任命仍會補題三人完備中選會運作那他也希望我們在野黨大家能夠超越黨派只看專業那再如果他補題的話希望儘速排入議程那也希望大家理性審議"},{"start":2793.267,"end":2807.679,"text":"我覺得卓院長話已經講得很客氣了那天投完票我想我們李博裕委員他也大家都知道就是民進黨的委員看了開票結果的心情那卓院長這裡面就說"},{"start":2810.982,"end":2826.253,"text":"明明就有各政黨提名的我們看到了就是各政黨提名的結果國民黨提名的委員投票通過了民眾黨提名的委員也投票通過了那被封殺的三位很不巧"},{"start":2827.054,"end":2839.904,"text":"都是所謂的其實就是行政院這邊提名的裡面有時代力量的委員也有無黨籍的前台聯的背景的那根本也不是民進黨能夠指揮的那你看他的專業也都有專業可是最後的結果"},{"start":2844.907,"end":2867.126,"text":"是藍白不顧專業就是用政治色彩全面封殺行政院的提名然後現在呢當行政院長、主委長請大家推薦的時候又說我都沒有要推薦那如果行政院他再補題三人你們又是用同樣的方式然後最後就說這個帳"},{"start":2868.587,"end":2891.628,"text":"是行政院長的政治算計那我不知道中選會的正常運作到底是誰要負責所以我覺得今天院長已經承諾他會補題三人要完備中選會的運作那在這邊我作為民進黨的黨團那也請大家真的要聽到行政院的呼籲選舉"},{"start":2893.109,"end":2898.212,"text":"真的非常的重要中選會的委員不能夠不足額那院長會儘速提名因為在大家這種不斷的封殺的情況下我真的不知道還有人願意來這邊被封殺嗎然後講不出任何的理由被封殺那我想這真的是要楷竊的請大家把專業"},{"start":2914.602,"end":2929.684,"text":"放在黨派之上選舉公正真的是台灣民主的核心不要再就是只要是行政院的提名就是一律封殺然後沒有任何的理由那我想這是非常重要的"},{"start":2932.349,"end":2947.596,"text":"好 謝謝我們民進黨黨團 范雲委員的一個發言那我們三個黨團都各有發言那我們臺灣民眾黨黨團有沒有要補充這個發言 沒有"},{"start":2953.087,"end":2961.782,"text":"國民黨黨團這邊 也沒有那我們李柏毅委員 是不是代表民眾黨黨團也來發言 好 謝謝"},{"start":2965.879,"end":2983.747,"text":"好 謝謝我想可能在野黨會對卓院長講出他的心聲表達不滿卓院長的心聲很明顯就是被騙了那就是在這個過程裡面也有拜訪各黨團各黨團也有提出人選"},{"start":2984.767,"end":3007.149,"text":"那也有公文那現在翻臉不認帳所以造成所以翻臉不認帳可以從這個投票的這個就已經是錯誤的訊息了然後到現在還要再放假訊息你在場嗎李博一委員你有在場嗎沒有在場提出錯誤的訊息"},{"start":3010.392,"end":3020.558,"text":"主席我們不需要聽這樣的垃圾話好不好這種是垃圾話我們已經鄭重澄清李國藝委員本人也不在現場他繼續的去提出這樣的假訊息無法接受好不好請我們今天前三個鑰匙來發言好 謝謝主席應該讓他講完話他有個假訊息他事後再講我覺得可以往後"},{"start":3039.791,"end":3061.75,"text":"就針對尊重一點嘛講一句話我剛也是跟你講鬼扯什麼憲法太好笑了政黨協商然後鬼扯憲法說你協商完之後我們還是要一群憲法審查鬼話連篇是王紅薇吧色化比較多的應該是王紅薇吧"},{"start":3063.872,"end":3083.724,"text":"他不聽我覺得我還是要繼續要講完我尊重我們博弈委員的一個發言然後請來繼續發言我重述一下卓院長講出他的心聲錯了嗎所有的這些委員的提名最後責任政治是行政院卓院長要負的責任"},{"start":3084.471,"end":3101.251,"text":"那他經過再三的思考也跟在野黨溝通溝通出一套由國民黨來推薦兩位民眾黨推薦一位行政院推薦三位的這個提名的模式當天投票的結果大家都有看到"},{"start":3102.25,"end":3125.877,"text":"由國民黨跟民眾黨推薦的三位全部都是全數同意112票行政院提名的這個三位呢只有民進黨團的51票入軌其他9票跟8票是棄權那52票53票的國民黨團是反對的那我也不跟國民黨吵啦"},{"start":3126.637,"end":3142.811,"text":"這是事實的結論那剛剛王宏威委員在說你跟黨團溝通之後我們立法委員還是要依據憲法行使我們的審查權我們今天其實在總預算已經院長已經協調"},{"start":3144.452,"end":3164.479,"text":"之下那我們都認為可以往下走一步的時候其實我們也希望說中選會也可以往下走一步讓行政院來補提名所有其他的人選其實要講憲法我剛本來也要跟王宏威委員上一課依據4至613號這個時候是2005、06年的時候當時也是曹小野大"},{"start":3167.6,"end":3185.988,"text":"那針對這個NCC的提名那也不斷的被在黨封殺但是大法官解釋出來了他說這個叫做違反權利分立違反權利分立與制衡給予立法院的人事審查同意權"},{"start":3187.679,"end":3205.118,"text":"它不能變成一個政治審查它必須要是理性審查如果透過這種癱瘓讓這個人事權不能通過的話其實你就是實質剝奪行政院提名的權利違反憲法權利分立的原則"},{"start":3205.979,"end":3227.83,"text":"那其實我們也希望接下來有比較可以讓政府可以繼續運作的這些空間那也希望透過今天的協商即使王宏威委員不高興不承認國民黨有跟行政院有做過什麼樣的協商但是從結果來看誠信才是政治上最重要的一件事情"},{"start":3229.871,"end":3240.919,"text":"讓行政院也可以進一步來提名之外呢任命之外呢也希望行政院趕快提出這個其餘的人選來補足這個中選會的人數以上 謝謝"},{"start":3245.39,"end":3270.94,"text":"好 謝謝我們民進黨團體博弈委員的發言邱督委員是 主席還有各位委員大家好那因為剛剛那個范雲委員好像有提到說中選會的人選至少要9人 那至多11人嘛那事實上呢 中選會的辦法也有提出來其實只要是中選會委員有超過二分之一"},{"start":3271.5,"end":3281.645,"text":"就能夠開會然後決議的話是三分之二就能夠達成決議那事實上基本上已經有達到這個門檻所以雖然沒有達到所謂的9到11人但是麻雀雖小無章俱全工人都能夠運作了所以其實是沒有問題的所以我們"},{"start":3291.93,"end":3319.019,"text":"與其在這邊虛耗時間不如趕快讓中選會委員上任然後讓中選會的功能能夠展現出來麻雀雖然小只有八隻但是它的功能按照現行的法規它其實是可以運作五組的那如果當然行政院長對於不足人數他要再補題那當然如果是能夠通過我們選協議員的標準獨立公正客觀那個後面再追加進來其實也是可以不失為一個方法以上說明"},{"start":3320.299,"end":3338.436,"text":"好 謝謝我們台灣民眾黨邱惠如委員的一個補充說明那有關今日的協商會議那各個黨團沒辦法凝聚共識啦所以也沒有辦法"},{"start":3339.497,"end":3358.929,"text":"由這邊來有結論那我在這邊就來這樣的一個宣讀本日協商過程公開發言內容經已記錄應代繼續溝通取得共識後續依立法院職權刑司法第12章相關的議事規則來辦理"},{"start":3361.531,"end":3368.423,"text":"那謝謝各位這個黨團的協商代表還有我們行政機關的代表現在散會 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:01:13.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:01:13.642000+08:00","text":"大家午安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:01:15.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:01:31.768000+08:00","text":"現在開始開會，我們今天進行的黨團協商是台灣民眾黨黨團提案，經本院 115 年\n4 月 10 日第 5 會期第 6 次院會決議，交付黨團協商，並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:01:37.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:02:18.656000+08:00","text":"今天\n的協商主題是本院台灣民眾黨黨團建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰立即停止一切\n政治算計，恪遵法律規範，儘速依法發布游盈隆等 4 位中選會委員之人事命令，完成就職程序\n；並應停止對國會之不當指控與政治施壓，以回歸法治正軌，維繫民主制度之正當運作。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:02:20.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:02:20.837000+08:00","text":"」是\n否有當？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:02:20.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:02:21.657000+08:00","text":"請公決案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:03:16.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:03:36.231000+08:00","text":"本日進行的程序是先請提案黨團做提案說明，接續再請行政部門說明，再\n請各黨黨團來發表意見，這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:03:36.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:03:39.774000+08:00","text":"好，首先請台灣民眾黨黨團說明。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:03:44.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:03:51.036000+08:00","text":"主席、各位在場的委員、政府部門的官員還有各位媒體朋友，大家好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:03:52.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:04:28.705000+08:00","text":"法治國原則是\n一個政治人物應該奉行的基本原則，關於中選會委員的任命案，我們立法院已經審議通過部分\n中選會的委員，這個名單送給行政院之後，行政院依法行政的義務應該是要發布人事命令權，\n完成任用程序，但是我們看到行政院長對於這個人事命令的發布還有任用程序的完成，似乎出\n440\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄\n現一個抵抗的態度。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:04:29.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:04:51.489000+08:00","text":"事實上，根據中選會的組織法，行政院在去年 8 月 3 號就應該要提出中選\n會委員的名單，卻遲至去年 12 月才提出來，在這個漫長的等待過程當中，我們看到行政院行政\n怠惰的態度，真的是非常的不可取！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:04:52.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:05:22.845000+08:00","text":"我們在今年 3 月 14 號通過中選會委員的人事任用案，名單出來之後，行政院長應該依法行政\n，來發布人事命令，完成中選會委員的任用，但是我們看到行政院長呈現一個消極不作為的態\n度，我們不禁質疑我們的行政院長根本視法律於無物，而且也違反權力分立的原則，動搖了憲\n法的基礎。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:05:24.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:05:48.464000+08:00","text":"事實上，對於我們提出來的中選會委員名單，行政院好像不滿意，居然講出違背法\n理的話，說他要把被否決的委員再重新提名回來，這個真的是笑掉人家的大牙，請問，你有把\n立法院職權行使法第三十一條放在眼裡嗎？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:05:48.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:05:52.889000+08:00","text":"是不是把立法院職權行使法第三十一條視為無物？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:05:55.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:06:03.781000+08:00","text":"不但不履行法定義務，而且還一直說在野黨沒有誠意，請問一下行政院長，你的誠意又在哪裡\n？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:06:04.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:06:28.035000+08:00","text":"之前行政院長也一直指責在野黨不提出中選會委員的名單，如果不趕快通過的話，也會影響\n到選務，現在名單已經產生了，反而是行政院長這邊在拖泥帶水、拖三拖四的，難道在野黨拖\n就會影響到選務的進行，行政院長拖就不會影響到選務的進行嗎？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:06:28.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:06:35.758000+08:00","text":"所以行政院長不發布人事命\n令，不完成任用程序，如果這不是影響到選務，什麼才叫做影響到選務？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:06:37.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:07:29.044000+08:00","text":"最後，我們在野黨要表現出我們捍衛國家法律的一個義務，因為中選會的委員是獨立行使職\n權，所以我們本於獨立、中立、客觀這樣的原則，來為國家選賢與能、為國家掄材，我們不想\n要成為行政院的橡皮圖章，也不想要成為行政院的一個附隨組織，所以我們用中選會委員能不\n能獨立、客觀、公正的行使職權這個標準在選賢與能，最後我們把賢跟能選出來了，這些中選\n會委員具備賢跟能的要件，我們在這邊呼籲行政院長應該要發布人事命令，完成中選會委員的\n任用程序，這樣才能夠回到民主制度的法治國原則，以上說明。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:07:29.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:07:29.465000+08:00","text":"謝謝台灣民眾黨邱慧洳委員的說明。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:07:29.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:07:30.325000+08:00","text":"請行政院阮昭雄副秘書長予以說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮副秘書長昭雄","start":"2026-04-16T13:07:53.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:07:55.795000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席讓我們有說明的機會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮副秘書長昭雄","start":"2026-04-16T13:07:56.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:08:11.284000+08:00","text":"首先，我表達感謝昨天韓國瑜院長所召集的朝野\n協商，也讓我們院長下一週可以到立法院來進行總預算案的說明，並完成質詢之後付委來審查\n。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"阮副秘書長昭雄","start":"2026-04-16T13:08:12.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:08:40.768000+08:00","text":"今天院長也特別在行政院會表達了，這次協商不是大家各退一步，而是往前走了一步，所以\n今天台灣民眾黨所做的這個提案，我跟大家報告，在現在這個氣氛底下，未來在中選會委員的\n人事完備以及補提另外三位人選的部分，我想應該也會往前走一大步，以上說明。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:08:40.768000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:08:41.875000+08:00","text":"謝謝阮昭雄副秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:08:41.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:08:42.982000+08:00","text":"請中央選舉委員會謝美玲主任秘書說明。","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"謝主任秘書美玲","start":"2026-04-16T13:08:42.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:08:44.163000+08:00","text":"主席、各位委員，中選會來做報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝主任秘書美玲","start":"2026-04-16T13:08:44.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:08:48.286000+08:00","text":"有關本會委員的提名跟任命，是行政院的權\n責，中選會就今年選務還有相關的作業跟委員做個報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝主任秘書美玲","start":"2026-04-16T13:09:08.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:09:39.435000+08:00","text":"今年的地方公職人員選舉會在 8 月 20 號發布選舉公告，各地選委會會在 8 月底到 9 月初來受\n理候選人登記的申請，依照選務時程，本會從 5 月份起的委員會議陸續就要開始審議候選人保\n證金、議員選舉之應選名額、競選經費最高金額、候選人登記表件等重要的事項。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"謝主任秘書美玲","start":"2026-04-16T13:09:39.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:10:08.518000+08:00","text":"另外昨天也\n有人民連署的公投案提出，依法本會也必須在兩個月內來完成審議，所以為辦理年底地方公職\n人員選舉還有審議公投的案件需要，本會委員會議有儘快恢復正常運作的必要，所以在這邊也\n懇請行政院跟委員能夠支持，讓本會的委員會議可以儘快的順利來運作，以上。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"謝主任秘書美玲","start":"2026-04-16T13:10:08.518000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:10:12.352000+08:00","text":"441\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:10:12.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:10:14.534000+08:00","text":"謝謝謝美玲主任秘書的說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:10:16.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:10:19.158000+08:00","text":"接下來請國民黨黨團王鴻薇委員發言。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:10:24.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:10:28.952000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各政黨代表還有行政院代表。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:10:30.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:11:02.544000+08:00","text":"剛才聽到行政院以及中選會的回復，看起\n來已經糾纏超過一個月，也就是我們在立法院已經投票通過的中選會新的這些人事同意案，終\n於行政院願意從善如流，願意依法行政，應該要依法任命這些我們在立法院通過的人事案。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:11:03.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:11:34.658000+08:00","text":"不過我必須要說，剛才我也看到副秘書長特別提到，昨天在韓院長的協調下，我們的總預算\n現在有新的進度，好像看起來是要回應在立法院現在總預算的新進度，因為我們即將付委審查\n，也同意行政院卓榮泰院長在下個禮拜做總預算的報告。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:11:35.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:11:55.227000+08:00","text":"但是我覺得行政院這樣的回應還是於\n法不合，因為其實行政院應該依法去任命這些立法院通過的新人事案，這是應該依法行政，我\n們要特別提到依法行政。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:11:56.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:12:29.731000+08:00","text":"剛才中選會主秘也補充，因為今年年底有九合一的大選，看起來，可\n能從 5 月份委員會就應該是如常運作，所以如果行政院……如同卓院長之前，還是非常任性的\n，我講的任性不是韌性防衛的韌性，是他很任性的，然後不依法行政，只是因為立法院沒有完\n全通過行政院所提名的人選就全部都不予任命的話，那麼勢必會影響中選會的正常運作，當然\n從而會影響今年底的選務工作。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:12:29.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:12:46.580000+08:00","text":"基本上，我們肯定也歡迎行政院願意從善如流，但對於之前卓\n榮泰院長這樣的一個態度，我們還是應該要予以譴責。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:12:46.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:12:49.661000+08:00","text":"另外，國民黨黨團必須在這邊再做一次正式的宣告，因為在總質詢的時候，卓榮泰院長一度\n說，為什麼他不願意任命呢？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:12:49.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:14:01.394000+08:00","text":"是因為原來跟在野黨黨團之間的默契或者是承諾沒有被落實，意\n思就是，他曾經跟在野黨黨團……他直接說曾經拜訪過中國國民黨黨團，然後黨團有答應他行\n政院提的人選我們都會予以通過，所以在這邊我們要再一次的宣示，因為立法院行使人事同意\n權是憲法所賦予的，是我們的責任跟我們的權力，本來這個人選就要受到審查，他並不存在行\n政院跟立法院或行政院跟某一個立法院黨團之間的私相授受，不應該存在，我們也不會接受。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:14:02.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:14:37.939000+08:00","text":"所以國民黨黨團其實跟卓榮泰院長在總質詢的時候，以及我們在大會提案的時候，我們都非常\n清楚地說明這一點，但是我們在這邊還是特別要講的是，國民黨黨團是秉持憲法所賦予給我們\n的責任，是專業審查、嚴格把關，絕對不涉及所謂的私相授受，我想這一點一定要跟外界釐清\n的非常清楚。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:14:38.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:14:49.364000+08:00","text":"照理講，卓榮泰院長應該為他的失言或者他錯誤的認知或者他放出來的錯誤的假\n訊息跟立法院國民黨黨團、在野黨黨團道歉才對。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:14:49.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:15:14.074000+08:00","text":"當然今天這個協調會看起來應該會有一個我\n們期待的結果，我們還是希望行政院本於職權、本於依法行政，儘快地來任命我們所通過的人\n事案，以上，謝謝。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:15:14.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:15:15.254000+08:00","text":"謝謝國民黨黨團王鴻薇委員的說明。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:15:15.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:15:19.156000+08:00","text":"接下來請民進黨黨團表示意見，請范雲委員。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:15:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:15:44.008000+08:00","text":"我們看一下今天民眾黨的提案文，恕我直言，我真的沒有辦法接受裡面提到要求卓院長\n停止一切政治算計。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:15:44.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:15:53.452000+08:00","text":"我想剛剛大家話都講得很好聽、很漂亮，可是我們回想一下，到底是誰在\n影響中選會的正常運作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:15:54.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:16:01.075000+08:00","text":"我要講這件事情不是發生一次，我在立法院也是第二屆了，從公視的\n董監事任命過程到 NCC，到底是誰只看重政黨立場，甚至沒有政黨的立場，只因為是民進黨的\n文化部長提名或者是誰提名，他一律封殺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:16:01.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:16:01.436000+08:00","text":"我想這件事情不是單一的個案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:16:01.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:16:20.965000+08:00","text":"再回來講，誰影響\n中選會的正常運作？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:16:21.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:16:39.438000+08:00","text":"大家請看一下法綱，要講法制，中央選舉委員會組織法明定，中選會的委\n442\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄\n員人數是 9 到 11 人，所以最低必須有 9 人，後來只剩 4 人，這一次通過多少人？","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:16:39.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:16:47.823000+08:00","text":"我這邊有一個\n報社做的資料，只有通過 4 人，大家數學算一下，4 加 4 等於多少？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:16:48.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:16:57.670000+08:00","text":"等於 8 人，它就是不足額，\n這是中選會組織法規定的，離法定人數至少差 1 人，這是誰的錯？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:16:57.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:17:00.913000+08:00","text":"是行政院院長的錯嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:17:01.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:17:04.296000+08:00","text":"我們\n待會最後再來究責誰的錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:17:05.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:17:36.990000+08:00","text":"我也不需要問行政院院長了，我們公開查新聞，他在公開發言跟備詢的時候，多次表達他會\n依法任命，仍會補提 3 人，完備中選會運作，他也希望在野黨大家能夠超越黨派、只看專業，\n如果他補提的話，希望儘速排入議程，也希望大家理性審議，我覺得卓院長的話已經講得很客\n氣了。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:17:37.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:18:20.023000+08:00","text":"那天投完票，我想李柏毅委員、大家都知道，就是民進黨委員看了開票結果的心情，這\n裡面明明就有各政黨提名的，我們看到了各政黨提名的結果，國民黨提名的委員投票通過了，\n民眾黨提名的委員也投票通過了，而被封殺的 3 位，很不巧，其實都是行政院提名的，裡面有\n時代力量的委員，也有無黨籍的、前台聯背景的，根本也不是民進黨能夠指揮的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:18:20.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:18:57.714000+08:00","text":"你看他的專\n業，也都有專業，可是最後的結果是藍白不顧專業，用政治色彩全面封殺行政院的提名，當行\n政院卓院長請大家推薦的時候，又說他都沒有要推薦，如果行政院再補提 3 人，你們又是用同\n樣的方式，最後就說這個帳是行政院院長的政治算計，我不知道中選會的正常運作到底是誰要\n負責？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:18:59.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:19:17.071000+08:00","text":"今天院長已經承諾，他會補提 3 人，要完備中選會的運作，我作為民進黨的黨團代表，也請\n大家真的要聽到行政院的呼籲，選舉真的非常重要，中選會的委員不能夠不足額，院長會儘速\n提名，因為在大家不斷地封殺的情況下，我真的不知道還有人願意來這邊被封殺嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:19:17.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:19:50.664000+08:00","text":"然後講不\n出任何理由就被封殺，我想這真的是要剴切地請大家把專業放在黨派之上，選舉公正真的是臺\n灣民主的核心，不要再只要是行政院的提名就一律封殺，然後沒有任何的理由，我想這是非常\n重要的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:19:54.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:19:58.411000+08:00","text":"謝謝民進黨黨團范雲委員的發言。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:02.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:20:08.096000+08:00","text":"三個黨團都各有發言，台灣民眾黨黨團有沒有要補充做發言？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:08.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:20:16.491000+08:00","text":"沒有；國民黨黨團這邊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:16.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:20:28.019000+08:00","text":"王鴻\n薇委員也沒有；李柏毅委員是不是代表民進黨黨團發言？謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:28.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:20:49.771000+08:00","text":"我想可能在野黨會對卓院長講出他的心聲表達不滿，卓院長的心聲很明顯，就\n是被騙了，就是在這個過程裡面也有拜訪各黨團，各黨團也有提出人選，也有公文，但現在翻\n臉不認帳，所以造成……","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:49.771000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:20:52.994000+08:00","text":"他說的這個就是錯誤的訊息……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:52.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:20:55.997000+08:00","text":"翻臉不認帳，從這個投票的票數都可以看得出來，國民黨跟民眾黨提出的人選全數通\n過。","quality":0.306},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:20:56.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:01.582000+08:00","text":"這個就已經是錯誤的訊息了，到現在還要再放假訊息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:02.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:03.424000+08:00","text":"你在場嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:03.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:05.446000+08:00","text":"李柏毅委員，你有\n在場嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:05.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:08.129000+08:00","text":"沒有在場還提出錯誤的訊息。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:11.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:13.533000+08:00","text":"主席，我們不需要聽這樣的垃圾話，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:13.533000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:14.533000+08:00","text":"人選的得票比是 51 比 9 比 52，這個沒有經過獨立機關政治審查的精神，獨立機關用\n這種不是正常……\n443\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:13.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:17.316000+08:00","text":"這種是垃圾話，我們已經鄭重澄清，李柏毅委員本人也不在現場，他繼續提出這樣的\n假訊息，我無法接受，好不好？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:17.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:19.017000+08:00","text":"請就我們今天協商的要旨來發言，謝謝。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:19.017000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:20.017000+08:00","text":"這樣沒有辦法……","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:19.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:20.558000+08:00","text":"主席，應該讓他講完，他認為是假訊息，他事後再講嘛。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:20.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:21.538000+08:00","text":"我覺得可以往後……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:21.538000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:43.774000+08:00","text":"不要浪費時間……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:43.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:21:51.941000+08:00","text":"尊重一點嘛，才講幾句話，我剛剛也是聽你鬼扯什麼憲法，太好笑了！","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:21:52.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:22:00.468000+08:00","text":"政黨協商，然\n後鬼扯憲法，說協商完之後，我們還是要依循憲法審查，鬼話連篇的是王鴻薇吧！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-16T13:22:01.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:22:02.730000+08:00","text":"垃圾話講比較多的應該是王鴻薇吧！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:22:04.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:22:07.314000+08:00","text":"他不聽，但我覺得我還是要繼續講完。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:22:08.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:22:13.597000+08:00","text":"我尊重柏毅委員的發言，請繼續發言。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:22:13.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:22:19.341000+08:00","text":"好，我重述一下，卓院長講出他的心聲錯了嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:22:19.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:22:38.907000+08:00","text":"所有的這些委員提名，責任政治最後\n是行政院卓院長要負責任，他經過再三的思考，也跟在野黨溝通，溝通出一套由國民黨推薦 2\n位、民眾黨推薦 1 位、行政院推薦 3 位的提名模式。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:22:39.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:23:03.776000+08:00","text":"當天投票的結果大家都有看到，由國民黨\n跟民眾黨推薦的 3 位，都是 112 票全數同意，行政院提名的這 3 位，只有民進黨團的 51 票入匭\n，其他 9 票跟 8 票是棄權，投 52 票、53 票的國民黨團是反對的。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:23:05.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:23:09.219000+08:00","text":"我也不跟國民黨吵啦，這個是\n事實上的結論。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:23:09.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:23:17.666000+08:00","text":"剛剛王鴻薇委員說，你跟黨團溝通之後，我們立法委員還是要依據憲法行使我\n們的審查權。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:23:17.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:23:37.256000+08:00","text":"今天，總預算在院長協調之下，我們都認為可以往下走一步的時候，其實我們也希望中選會\n也可以往下走一步，讓行政院來補提名其他的所有人選。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:23:37.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:24:26.118000+08:00","text":"其實要講到憲法，我剛剛本來也要跟\n王鴻薇委員上一課，釋字第 613 號的背景，在 2005、2006 年的時候也是朝小野大，針對 NCC\n的提名，也是不斷地被在野黨封殺，但是大法官解釋出來了，它說這個叫做違反權力分立與制\n衡，給予立法院的人事審查同意權，它不能變成政治審查，它必須要是理性審查，如果透過癱\n瘓，讓人事權不能通過的話，其實就是實質剝奪行政院提名的權力，違反憲法權力分立的原則\n。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:24:27.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:01.859000+08:00","text":"其實我們也希望接下來有可以讓政府繼續運作的空間，也希望透過今天的協商……即使王鴻\n薇委員不高興、不承認國民黨有跟行政院做過什麼樣的協商，但是從結果來看，誠信才是政治\n上最重要的一件事情，除了讓行政院可以進一步來任命之外，也希望行政院趕快提出其餘的人\n選，來補足中選會的人數。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:01.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:01.919000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:06.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:11.152000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝民進黨黨團李柏毅委員的發言。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:12.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:13.713000+08:00","text":"請邱慧洳委員發言。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:14.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:16.534000+08:00","text":"主席還有各位委員大家好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:17.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:23.577000+08:00","text":"因為剛剛范雲委員好像有提到，中選會的人選至少要 9人\n444\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄\n，至多 11 人。","quality":0.634},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:25.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:25:38.743000+08:00","text":"事實上，中選會的辦法也有說，其實只要中選會委員有超過二分之一就能夠開會\n，出席委員過半數就能夠達成決議。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:25:38.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:26:00.152000+08:00","text":"事實上已經有達到這個門檻，雖然沒有達到所謂的 9 到 11\n人，但是麻雀雖小，五臟俱全，功能都能夠運作了，所以其實是沒有問題的，我們與其在這邊\n虛耗時間，不如趕快讓中選會委員上任，讓中選會的功能能夠展現出來。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-04-16T13:26:00.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T13:26:06.714000+08:00","text":"麻雀雖然小，只有 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