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臺灣民眾黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議面議我們請宣讀經過二讀這條文"},{"start":11077.028,"end":11106.066,"text":"第106條評議時各法官之意見應記載於評議部並應於該案裁判確定前嚴守祕密案件之當事人輸送代理人辯護被害人或成為輔助人得於裁判確定後申請閱覽評議意見但不得抄錄攝影或影印前項所稱被害人指犯罪被害人權益保障法第3條第2款之犯罪被害人死亡者其同條第3款之家屬視為本條所稱被害人經處死刑之評議部應永久保存宣傳必"},{"start":11107.381,"end":11129.495,"text":"歡迎回三讀條文已經宣讀完畢全院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在做決議法院組織法第106條條文修正通過我們現在進入討論事項第三案刑事訴訟法第101條之條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告"},{"start":11131.874,"end":11153.342,"text":"本院司法及法治委員會於114年4月24日、115年1月12日、1月29日分別召開全體委員會議並按審查散開法案由吳召集委員鐘憲及翁召集委員小林分別擔任主席除邀請提案委員及黨團說明提案要旨外司法院及相關機關一應要指派代表列席說明及答覆委員詢問"},{"start":11154.962,"end":11173.878,"text":"與會委員聽取報告並詢答完畢後審略大體討論進行主案審查並將全案審查完畢原經決議審查完畢領據審查報告提請院務公決本案不需交由黨團協商院會討論時由翁召集委員小林出席說明宣讀完畢我們現在請召集委員翁小林委員補充說明"},{"start":11174.719,"end":11186.384,"text":"沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議不需再交由黨團協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案經以審查會意見進行處理現在進行主條討論刑事訴訟法請宣讀第101條之一"},{"start":11188.683,"end":11217.849,"text":"第101條之一被告經被法官詢問後認為犯下列個管之罪其嫌疑重大有事實足認為有反覆實行同一犯罪之餘而有羈押之必要者得羈押之一刑法第173條第一項第三項第174條第一項第二項第四項第175條第一項第二項之犯火罪第176條之准犯火罪第185條之一之劫持交通工具罪第185條之三不能安全駕駛罪"},{"start":11218.969,"end":11227.631,"text":"2.刑法第221條之強制性交罪第222條之加重強制性交罪第224條之強制猥褻罪第224條之一之加重強制猥褻罪第225條之趁機性交猥褻罪第226條之一之強制性交猥褻之結合罪第227條之與幼年男女性交或猥褻罪第271條第一項第二項之殺人罪"},{"start":11243.755,"end":11261.617,"text":"第272條之殺子細血尊卿罪第272條之一之殺幼童罪第277條之第一項之傷害罪第278條第一項之重傷罪第286條之理虐或妨礙未成年人健康教育"},{"start":11262.398,"end":11280.323,"text":"健康發育罪第319條之一之妨礙性影響罪第319條之二之加重妨礙性影響罪第319條之三是工人關懶性影響罪第319條之四是製作不實性影響罪兒童及少年性剝削防治條例第36條第1項至第5項第38條第1項第3項第4項之罪性騷擾防治法第25條第1項之罪"},{"start":11287.225,"end":11301.875,"text":"但其需告訴乃論而未經告訴或其告訴已經撤回或已於告訴其間者不在此限三刑法第296條之一之買賣人口罪第299條之移送被略誘的人出國罪第302條"},{"start":11303.536,"end":11316.7,"text":"第302條治癒之妨害自由罪4刑法第304條之強制罪第305條之恐嚇危害安全罪5刑法第320條第321條之竊盜罪6刑法325條326條之搶奪罪第328條第1項第2項第4項之強盜罪第330條之加重搶奪罪第332條之強盜結合罪第330"},{"start":11330.825,"end":11347.126,"text":"三條之海盜罪第三百三十四條之海盜結合罪七刑法第三百三十九條第三百三十九條之三之詐欺罪第三百三十九條之四之家中詐欺罪詐欺犯罪違害防治條例第四三條第四條之罪"},{"start":11348.106,"end":11375.064,"text":"8刑法第346條之恐嚇取材罪第347條第1項第3項之擄人勒索罪第348條之擄人勒索切合罪第348條之一之准擄人勒索罪9槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例第7條第8條第9條之一第12條第13條第13條之一之罪10毒品危害防治條例第4條第1項之第4項之罪11人口販運防治法第32條之罪12"},{"start":11377.465,"end":11391.533,"text":"組織犯罪防治條例第三條第一項前段之罪前條第二項至第四項之規定於前項情形準用之宣傳畢報言會我們現在已經經過二讀現在國民黨團民進黨團台灣民眾黨團三個黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀經過二讀這條文"},{"start":11403.001,"end":11420.056,"text":"第101條之一被告經被法官詢問後認為犯下第二個款之罪其嫌疑重大有事實足認為有反覆實行同一犯罪之餘而有羈押之必要者得羈押之一刑法第173條第一項第三項第174條第一項第二項第四項第175條第一項第二項之犯活罪第176條之准犯活罪"},{"start":11424.119,"end":11436.844,"text":"第185條之一是劫持交通工具罪第185條之三不能安全駕駛罪二刑法第221條之強制性交罪第222條之家中強制性交罪第224條之強制猥褻罪第224條之一之家中強制猥褻罪第225條之趁機性交猥褻罪第226條之一之強制性交猥褻之結合罪第227條之與幼年男女性交或猥褻罪第271條第一項第二項之"},{"start":11451.23,"end":11477.796,"text":"殺人罪 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組織犯罪防治條例第三條第一項前段之罪前條第二項至第四項之規定於前項情形準用之宣讀完畢報導院會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有無文質修正"},{"start":11582.472,"end":11604.532,"text":"沒有文字修正我們現在作以下決議刑事訴訟法第101條之一條文修正通過我們現在進入討論事項第四案教師法第25條及第53條條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告"},{"start":11608.134,"end":11626.995,"text":"本院教育及文化委員會於115 年 4 月 1 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年功薪及學術研究佳績第五十三條本法實行日期由行政院定之本法修正條文至公佈日實行宣傳必"},{"start":11763.12,"end":11785.737,"text":"抱怨會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有沒有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在做以下決議教師法第25條及第53條條文修正通過抱怨會現在依照黨團共識要進行三讀之後的發言"},{"start":11796.621,"end":11801.806,"text":"沒關係首先我們要請陳昭智委員發言吳立華委員請準備"},{"start":11813.186,"end":11832.811,"text":"主席各位同仁全體國人三讀通過台灣民眾黨黨團所提出的刑事訴訟法第101條修正案本黨團表達最誠摯的感謝這項修法象徵國家在守護人民的安全道路上向前邁出關鍵的一步本次修法將重大且具高度"},{"start":11833.351,"end":11856.298,"text":"危險性的犯罪納入預防性羈押透過制度的強化使高風險犯罪在符合法定的要件下得以羈押避免再度危害社會這項修法回應了社會最真實的聲音人民期待的不是只有事後的懲罰而是事前的防範不只是法律宣示而是實質的保障生命的安全法律的目的不再是制裁犯罪而是守護"},{"start":11857.478,"end":11873.308,"text":"善良人民今天三讀通過代表國家向詐欺集團性剝削犯罪黑幫組織酒駕累犯以及殘害幼童的暴力犯罪者宣誓最明確的態度危害社會者必須受到法律最嚴格的約束"},{"start":11874.108,"end":11901.478,"text":"另外今天也通過了教師法第25條計53條的修正案非常遺憾的台灣民眾黨本來的提案除了學術研究加擠之外我們其實也主張針對在偏遠地區教學的任教老師的地域加擠要給予補發雖然我們一再的堅持可惜我也能一併納入為此感到遺憾最後我談談的是台灣民眾黨將對於"},{"start":11902.958,"end":11910.046,"text":"持續推動司法的改革會進行更安全更公平更值得信賴的一個社會謝謝大家"},{"start":11936.38,"end":11951.582,"text":"主席各位立院同仁大家好我在這邊也要特別跟所有敬愛的老師們說一聲您辛苦了之所以修教師法第25條是為了要解決第一線教師在校事會議制度下所面臨的集體焦慮"},{"start":11952.463,"end":11972.89,"text":"因為自校士會議機制啟動以來 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三位委員辛苦了我今天首先要謝謝行政院還有漁業署還有航港局的協助在今年3月核定南方澳漁船漁港的上架場的土地撥用"},{"start":21523.849,"end":21545.286,"text":"那讓我這幾年一直爭取的宜蘭漁業發展往前跨進一步這要先跟院長說聲謝謝當然田地撥用這是第一關後面還有工程經費和建築進度這個才是考驗中央到底有沒有把南方澳的漁民的需求放在心上這才是重點那南方澳是宜蘭的漁業重鎮那我是希望這個"},{"start":21546.067,"end":21573.125,"text":"基礎的設施如果拖太久這會影響到漁民的生計上架場我們一般人可能覺得沒什麼重要但是對於漁民來說非常的重要因為漁船必須定期檢查而且必須維修這都需要上架場但現在那個地方的量能嚴重的不足那這是當地的漁民非常有意見的一件事那也麻煩能夠繼續支持我們把這個事情做好這部分先謝謝院長那再來我們今天的主題我想"},{"start":21573.735,"end":21600.527,"text":"談到均衡台灣我要談到一個主題是院長您去年五月的時候在行政院官網還有那個臉書你有提到一個均衡台灣這個概念那國發會也有公開說明北北基於要打造首都圈黃金狼帶我想這個也是我們的賴清德總統的一個重大的政策那均衡台灣我請教院長他的一個目的之一就是要促進地方就業帶動地方發展還有青年返鄉是或不是"},{"start":21601.658,"end":21619.829,"text":"是 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那我先繼續提一個好了啦宜科新建第三期標準廠房中長期個案計畫有一個總經費24.44億預計118年底可以完工這個事情我不知道三位知不知道"},{"start":21768.616,"end":21786.026,"text":"這整個六大產業生活區由國發會來提出所以整個內容計畫國發會裡面有相當完整的一個說明但我們是逐步推動像桃竹苗大溪谷是第一個核定的那現在六個都核定了我們就逐步的推動院長您談遠了我們就講一個最簡單"},{"start":21787.887,"end":21809.24,"text":"我跟您報告一下就是說我們對於那個宜蘭的規劃基本上有兩個方向一個是生技科學園區也就是說我們要去發展所謂的智慧醫療那另外一個就是往觀光的這個部分發展就好像剛剛院長講的宜蘭會是吃雙頭水一個是會接我們的那個首都黃金兩代那另外一個是接那個花東的慢火"},{"start":21809.68,"end":21833.96,"text":"那所以我們其實對宜蘭的建設其實最重要的一點就是說我們要去開發宜蘭的那一個交通建設所以對於那個整個高鐵延伸到宜蘭的話我們國發會其實是蠻支持這樣的一個的你們還是談遠了我講一個簡單的就是說我一直希望知道我們宜科到底就業目標招商KPI產業價值目標等等產業的戰略是什麼"},{"start":21835.281,"end":21849.61,"text":"剛剛確實那個院長有提到一些啦那我剛有提到一個這第三期新建計畫這個部分啊我再看一下前面我剛講的他的土地原本的部分原始舊有的部分土地出租率只有40.9多那"},{"start":21850.63,"end":21877.783,"text":"建物的部分出租也只有七成出頭也就將近三成的建物現在也沒有人成租土地還有六成沒有人租用但是我們現在要搞一個第三期的興建計畫當然我沒有反對第三期興建計畫我沒有反對但是呢你們有沒有把目標放在來現有的硬體已經處理好了但是他招商效果並不好啊那大家有沒有注意到這個問題啊因為我擔心我們到時候蓋出來變蚊子管"},{"start":21878.904,"end":21897.624,"text":"還是回答你的問題就是說整個產業要發展的話地方的交通還是一個非常重要的因素所以我們一直在推所謂的那一個高鐵要延伸到宜蘭這個部分所以我們也希望就是說這一個計畫能夠順利的完成然後再帶動所謂的宜蘭三科的發展"},{"start":21898.34,"end":21912.688,"text":"你說的這個交通這個我們一直在推動不只高鐵還有台62線等等很多議題我們這段時間都一直在拜託能夠趕快處理但是我的問題還是在這邊因為我現在看到的是只有建築計畫我們要第三"},{"start":21913.688,"end":21930.318,"text":"第三期然後我們要蓋多少房子我們要花24.44億去蓋硬體但是我們舊有的廠房他的幾級舊有的土地的出租率還是偏低我剛剛所以我剛拿銅鑼拿其他地方科學園區來比別人都到90幾了我們這邊只有"},{"start":21932.439,"end":21948.788,"text":"土地只有4成然後建物只有7成那這個部分我並沒有看到一個比較有效果的一個招商當然你可以講說這個是竹科管理局國科會在管的這個不是我管的但是我要跟各位報告不管怎麼樣今天在場的院長或者是部長"},{"start":21950.069,"end":21978.378,"text":"招商跟經濟的策略一定也是你們所狹下但是我並沒有看到這個部分所以我想請教一個問題既然你們有這個第三期的這個廠房的這個個案的計畫那我想請問一下那你們有沒有思考到將來要引進什麼產業要創造什麼就業要達到什麼樣的程度三年內出租率要達到多少有沒有哪個部會可以跨部會的管考這幾個東西可不可以給我們一個數據"},{"start":21979.978,"end":22003.776,"text":"在這裡跟委員報告就像我剛剛跟委員報告就是說我們希望宜蘭是發展所謂的生技智慧醫療還有一個就是觀光這個部分所以我們其實有規劃很多譬如說在宜蘭那一邊我們會開始推動所謂的划船這個部分的一些運動就好像早上那個林倩琦委員也在也在一直推動就是說要推動所謂的那個水上一些活動"},{"start":22007.859,"end":22032.564,"text":"科學園區我不是在談觀光不是在談什麼我想那個當然也是很重要但是我還是聚焦在科學園區那我想請問一下你們國發會認為的北北基宜黃金狼帶215公頃11.4萬個就業機會那這個餅這麼大那請問一下宜蘭可以切多少大概多少是屬於宜蘭這一塊北北基宜嘛四個那宜蘭大概是佔多少"},{"start":22033.084,"end":22048.056,"text":"因為我們是在整體規劃我們沒有辦法就是說分一個很特定的數目字給宜蘭那我們希望每一個地方都能夠蓬勃高漲你這個答案給我就是一樣我的質疑也是沒有錯就是我並沒有聽到一個"},{"start":22048.996,"end":22056.684,"text":"有可以for宜蘭該怎麼做你有整體效益但是沒有宜蘭的效益你有總就業但是我還是沒有看到宜科的就業"},{"start":22070.299,"end":22084.089,"text":"那有種規模但是我還是需要地方的KPI我必須對宜蘭的鄉親我能夠論述給他聽我要幫政府辯護我也要講出一個東西給他聽可是目前我只看到您說的整體效應215公頃11.4萬個就業機會但是"},{"start":22088.892,"end":22107.554,"text":"在地人只問我一個那一顆可以分多少我講不出來我只能跟他們講一個最大規模但是個別小部分特定部分我講不出來所以我只能講我只看到一個大餅但是這個餅要怎麼切我只有看到口號也沒有KPI這是我現在頭痛的部分"},{"start":22108.135,"end":22134.41,"text":"所以這個計畫北北基宜雖然把宜蘭包進來但是在執行上面我還是看不懂宜蘭可以怎麼做我可不可以給委員一個建議最近一兩個禮拜以來我碰到幾位我們立法會的委員包括何信淳委員陳書悅委員他們在跟我們談地方建設他們都有對地方很獨特深入的產業看法他們提出之後中央會跟他對接"},{"start":22135.19,"end":22161.147,"text":"他們不會說他說不出來他不知道他都有清楚的輪廓把中央的產業六大區域產業事務區加入他自己對地方的產業需求這樣才能夠形成那不曉得委員能不能提出您對宜蘭有什麼想法那我想就是說因為我剛剛還是沒有聽到比較精確的數字跟未來的一個想法所以這部分我還是必須要提醒"},{"start":22163.348,"end":22183.296,"text":"畢竟我們現在經濟部手上還是有很多的武器嘛 譬如說我們有租稅的工具啦我們有投資服務產創條例中小企業數位轉型資源等等的甚至我們還有提到一個五大信賴的那個產業的政策等等我們有這些東西嘛所以我想請教一下三位有沒有把"},{"start":22185.277,"end":22209.837,"text":"這個宜科列入首都黃金狼帶裡面這有關這個人工智慧資安 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第二個我當時有提到一個點因為你們當時有做找智庫做了一些衝擊的評估嘛"},{"start":22834.688,"end":22855.336,"text":"那我當時有跟你們問說是哪一個智庫它的模型是什麼它的數據是什麼來源是什麼情境怎麼設定當場也跟我說會回覆給我全文也可以給我結果後來我什麼都沒看到那時候問的時候還有人跟我說這個智慧財產權我說國家做東西國會要這拿來的智慧財產權的著作權的問題我們有回文了"},{"start":22858.697,"end":22886.002,"text":"但是我沒有看到這些資料哪一些智庫我到現在還不知道我現在完全不知道更嚴重的是很多東西我們都是從美國代表組他的事實清單我們才看到所以我們很多東西譬如說我們跟美國以後的相處美國很多車子機械藥品肉品農產品等等的他們進到台灣他可能是低關稅甚至會不會是零關稅都有可能"},{"start":22886.502,"end":22913.583,"text":"那這個東西我們都不知道啊那你們雖然回到台灣來講得很好聽說我們爭取到15%不疊加232最優惠等等你們講的這些沒有錯口話都很好聽我們人民也知道我們必須拿一些東西去交換但是至少讓我們知道我們拿了什麼去交換那我們有什麼東西將來要因應嘛還有一個譬如說那個SSG的問題啦那我們是放棄SSG嘛那將來"},{"start":22914.904,"end":22939.12,"text":"放棄之後呢本來這個SG它是一個農產品的安全法進口量突然暴增價格被打太低它還可以有一個額外的保護但這個我們也都放棄了這個是不是也要讓農民能夠更清楚一點知道這些狀況不然會不會以後很多問題發生了人民才在那邊痛苦那農漁民傳產要怎麼生活其實這是我一直很擔心的所以"},{"start":22939.72,"end":22950.535,"text":"我簡單的講我從美國那邊的文件看到就是說台灣讓美國的貨更容易進到台灣我看到的是這樣然後呢"},{"start":22951.738,"end":22977.121,"text":"我們的立法委員在國會本來是代表全民監督政府結果我們現在得到的資訊必須要自己去看美國的資料我們國家反而是蓋起來不給大家知道我是覺得這個不是一個民主國家該有的樣貌很多人只是告訴人民說我們一切都好我們談得非常漂亮但是內容是什麼人民其實都不是很清楚"},{"start":22977.782,"end":22998.532,"text":"好那所以剛剛這個就是麻煩一下剛剛我提到了雙項條款怎麼啟動這個能夠給我回覆一下第二個智庫的名單全文還有分析模型數據能夠給我一下讓我來參考就好麻煩因為這是我在上一次總諮詢我就提出來要請你們做但沒有做好這邊就麻煩可以嗎可以給我這兩個資料嗎"},{"start":23000.677,"end":23028.14,"text":"好 如果不涉及這個我剛才講的他們營業秘密的話我們提供給你可是放心啦我個人對營業秘密對國家機密我從來不會去要這個東西我也都跟我的辦公室同仁說國家機密的東西不可以去要這個沒有必要的情況下不可以去要國家機密的東西好 那個報告主席時間先暫停齁先暫停我們請那個三位辛苦了 三位可以先回座不過卓院長都要回座嗎"},{"start":23029,"end":23039.837,"text":"國務院長要回座嗎 都回座謝謝行政院 國務院長也謝謝 請回座剩下你要自己表述還是需要就我表述 我等一下表述幾個議題 請大家參考那時間可以繼續"},{"start":23046.009,"end":23071.104,"text":"三位辛苦啦我想說接下來因為我這段時間對國家有一些看法我想說跟各位報告一下也請現場的各位官員能夠帶回去參考一下因為我在走訪基層的時候其實我發現了一個狀況很多人跟我說現在這個時代非常的混亂為什麼會出現這個狀況之前的官會秘書長他有提過一個他說"},{"start":23072.472,"end":23082.971,"text":"民進黨執政十年就是鬥這個字而已內鬥內 外鬥外那因為鬥下去 這樣鬥下去之後這已經超過一個民主國家政黨之間競爭的狀況了啦"},{"start":23084.813,"end":23103.501,"text":"那我總是很擔心因為我跟各位報告我一家老小全部都生活在台灣我一家老小沒有移民沒有帶雙重國籍或是綠卡我一家老小沒有所以台灣的安全台灣的未來經濟狀況什麼是我最擔心的一件事情"},{"start":23104.241,"end":23128.295,"text":"我們這段時間看到烏克蘭,看到加薩,看到伊朗我們很擔心下一個發生的地方會不會是台灣我想全台灣人,包括各位在場的官員也都這麼擔心那我覺得我現在發生了一些很痛苦的事情我覺得這個國家充滿了騙我沒有辦法接受一個國家從上到下大家都在騙人我們講第一個,剛剛我們講的關稅的部分"},{"start":23130.253,"end":23150.199,"text":"在外面談了什麼我們都能接受台灣的國際狀況我們也能理解有很多不得已的古裝但是不要回過頭來騙國人講了一個很漂亮的火花一個大內宣我們前一陣子顏惠欣過世她是一個很棒的人才她給全國人民的一個警訊原來CPTPP"},{"start":23151.567,"end":23166.616,"text":"政府對外講的非常的激動我們還要吃萊豬就是為了換CPTPP結果呢領導者就是消極的面對他多次的反應卻被霸凌那這就是騙再來預算案"},{"start":23169.212,"end":23196.841,"text":"我們在地方上一直被人家罵為什麼不審總預算但我告訴有很多甚至是高學歷的醫生什麼我跟他說那你們知不知道三讀通過的法律案法律案不願意編列預算執行他們都不知道他們都不知道他只覺得為什麼南白不審總預算那這不是又是一個騙然後這段時間綁架全國人民說新興預算沒辦法過然後會受影響"},{"start":23198.702,"end":23213.654,"text":"當我們讓薪金預算過了以後行政院不動之那舊有的預算呢依據預算法我們還是可以動用啊但他告訴全國人民說都沒有錢的你來申請什麼我都跟你說沒有那過去那段時間呢"},{"start":23215.49,"end":23239.764,"text":"預算案的解凍明明一份報告來就可以解凍結果所有的公務機關不送解凍案來私下跟我們說長官叫他不可以送後來文化部內部的文件曝光長官叫他們不可以送陸陸續續很多公務員跳出來說是長官叫他們不准送解凍案結果我們的政府繼續騙為了讓人民去受騙為了讓人民覺得大罷免要投罷免票"},{"start":23240.865,"end":23246.06,"text":"然後為了讓人民這麼做 然後騙人家說護照發不出來豬骨貼沒有 育兒津貼沒有從頭騙到尾"},{"start":23249.773,"end":23268.724,"text":"結果是什麼 明明很多預算 法定預算都可以支出 依照預算法就是這麼規定但是政府就在騙人 信息預算過了 他就不動之 繼續騙人軍購案呢 明明告訴大家 對沒採購我們絕對不擋 而且舉雙手贊成我們有意見的只是一些其他的國防採購 對國內的採購應該回歸到正常的常規預算來審查"},{"start":23273.047,"end":23279.96,"text":"要加大審查力度結果繼續騙說你扣你的就扣你的帽子中共通路人全部都在搞這些"},{"start":23282.112,"end":23307.83,"text":"補發一萬塊一下說違憲這叫預算案違憲事實上那是法律案結果呢大家有意見之後又騙說合憲但是沒有錢然後後來又改成違憲最後呢大罷免失敗就全部發下去還要註明是行政院合法國會改革案每一個條文幾乎都是民進黨當年提的民進黨還有理想的時候提的結果我們現在提叫做國會擴權"},{"start":23310.738,"end":23329.923,"text":"這個世界上民主國家民主國會三讀通過的法律行政院就要執行但是在我們國家三讀通過的法律可以不執行就因為他不想執行憲法給你復印你就不復印都在騙從頭騙到尾印度移工明明是你"},{"start":23345.96,"end":23347.22,"text":"我們接下來請黃建豪委員進資訊"},{"start":23372.315,"end":23377.538,"text":"好 謝謝主席 現在院長我們邀請行政院 卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢彭委員好 院長好院長我想這個今天一開始要一樣經濟組的質詢呢我們是非常關切這個能源議題那當然因為近期這個伊朗美國的戰爭當然導致全國全球的能源受到影響那當然台灣也不能"},{"start":23402.166,"end":23402.575,"text":"免俗吧"},{"start":23403.134,"end":23432.172,"text":"我們也是要面對這個能源危機的問題當然面對能源危機馬上看到這個新聞是說我們預計要來重啟這個麥寮的電廠來作為這個緊急發電來備用那針對這個問題我們作為台中立委根據經濟部3月之前的規劃台中火力電廠的蒸氣拆煤計畫裡面他目前還是要保留六部燃煤機組來作為緊急備用那當然政府的立場會認為說這個是基於國安任性因為我們天然氣的這個"},{"start":23433.712,"end":23462.218,"text":"發電的這個庫存的時間就只有大概11天左右的時間所以如果真的萬一發生像這樣子臨時的狀況可能需要燃煤作為備用的機組那其實之前包含總統也提到說可能有機會大家來討論說重啟核電的這個情形嘛那如果今天有機會可以重啟核電如果今天有機會有其他替代能源方案的話台中的火力電廠的燃煤機組你們還是一定要保留下來嘛有沒有機會做調整"},{"start":23463.311,"end":23490.644,"text":"他保留成為備用機組的這個政策是已經定了那麼如果有一些其他的增加的能源替代那我想那個是額外增加的為了台灣整個能源的安全我們照原來的規劃不過我跟委員承諾我過去到台中的時候我也說過我們從2034年我希望到2032年甚至我們到2030年就可以提前來檢討其他所有備用機組未來使用的狀況以及它存留的狀況好 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謝謝部長的保證我們希望到年底結算的時候我們還是要達成逐年下降的問題但是因為我們今天為什麼要特別提台中火力電廠機組的問題因為這涉及到整個國家競爭力我想國家能源結構我們特別要提到這件事情"},{"start":23562.455,"end":23590.744,"text":"歐盟現在也在談了所謂的CPM要談這個碳邊境調整機制那美國國外也在討論說要來討論外國污染費用的法案所以這個東西它涉及到的就是我們出口的產品當然我們現在台股長這麼高那我們看到出口的表現非常好非常多屬於製造業的部分但這些製造業出去之後它的使用的這個所謂電力電力的能源成本多數我們台灣的能源結構長這樣嘛還是都是以火力發電為主那我們看到說"},{"start":23592.304,"end":23617.61,"text":"這個根據台大風能中心2024年調查報告顯示我國工業部門的用電佔比高達61.4%明顯高於韓國、德國、日本甚至美國那我們電力部門碳排放數據也高達全國總碳排放60%也高於韓國、日本、德國跟美國這些競爭對手所以在這樣的能源結構之下我們的出口未來會不會受到這個新的法案的影響"},{"start":23618.49,"end":23619.571,"text":"所以我們為什麼綠能產業要一直在趕快推進"},{"start":23638.527,"end":23651.218,"text":"那會符合至少剛開始國際上來講比較就是自願性的這些就是RE100那我們就盡量滿足這些RE100承諾的一些廠商可以在他們承諾的範圍裡面供應給他們的這個綠電"},{"start":23654.93,"end":23670.283,"text":"部長 院長這樣子喔這R100當然是過去也特別強大過但是因為現在歐盟也重新來承認核能是乾淨能源的情況下R100效果下比較少人在談了啦但是我們希望說因為你們講綠電但是去 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明後兩年買的就已經四萬八了好 那根據這個經濟學人的報導去年台灣出口無人機的成長十三二十三點二十三十三十二點三萬台出口主要到捷克跟波蘭這經濟學人的報告所以第一個是說在這個經濟部出版的產業發展趨勢裡面這個數字是不是就有點不太精確會不會有這個問題就是你們報告裡面寫只要只有未來十年三點四萬可是一年 其實基本上一年就超過啦"},{"start":24767.074,"end":24778.652,"text":"這個我就覺得不只那麼少啦應該還要更多啦這個我覺得這個是應該這個比較早期寫的吧這個是今年3月寫出來的沒關係啦我是要提醒我提出來我就說"},{"start":24780.051,"end":24805.554,"text":"因為無人機產業我想是國家未來重點發展的這個產業的政策我覺得數據預估上面還是要精準一點我覺得大家在看這個數據都很認真在看這也是別人拿到之後提供給我請我們過來提醒經濟部因為如果你一開始你經濟部作為主管機關之一如果你的數據你的想法一開始的數字是錯的那你資源的配比政策調整那可能方向也是錯的"},{"start":24806.394,"end":24829.122,"text":"所以我們當然希望說在預估上面要更精確當然你們是引述別人的但是我覺得回到國內自己產業大家會相信經濟部不一定相信媒體可是你經濟部如果出了這份報告那就變成業界的一個指標這個是引用其他的資料來源但是我們可能要付諸一下這個預估可能有點低估"},{"start":24830.725,"end":24856.879,"text":"對這個是要調整的啦好不好我這提前提完那一樣接下來討論這個問題現在台灣無人機產業就是無人機這個產品我們的法律是什麼院長或部長你們知道嗎現在我們當然之前是無人載具是有一個類似沙盒的示範型計畫那現在當然是用一些辦法來做一些規範因為現在還有一個問題無人機現在的管理在民航局"},{"start":24858.76,"end":24869.695,"text":"對所以有很多的禁飛區很多的禁止的限制不管民用軍用都很多禁止的限制那這件事情對於如果這個是我們要做的未來幾年要做的產業政策"},{"start":24870.578,"end":24890.736,"text":"那有這麼多的限制 有這麼多的條條框框的限制有這麼多沒有辦法跟上全球的這個趨勢的這個限制法案限制 法律限制的話有沒有思考過如果經濟部要做這個政策的主導的主管機關是不是要推出專法還是要去跟民航局溝通怎麼樣去解除這些限制包含說什麼120公尺"},{"start":24891.557,"end":24919.378,"text":"還有很多的你去看上網查那些無人機的這個專家玩家都跟我們講他常常跟我們講現在進行區來太多了比一開始公告的還多他等於在任何地方只要是非碰到他就會遇到高額的罰款那對這個產業發展他要視錯任何產業一開始一定有很多視錯的空間吧報告委員因為現在的確行政院有一個跨部會的一個平台在統合這個無人機的一些發展"},{"start":24920.267,"end":24944.344,"text":"那各部會都有參加那各部會相關的這些規定也在裡面做一些討論那也可以適當做一些調整那當然就是說太快去用法律來制定是不是比較好這個我們來考量因為法律有時候訂了當然是一些對這個行業某些的支持跟保障但是有時候反而造成一些限制"},{"start":24945.144,"end":24961.214,"text":"我們現在這邊提出來就是因為無人機他就是會跨就院長在嘛因為我們在交通委員會質詢也沒有用因為他就答應我們現在有一個無人載具的一個管理的一個機制發展跟管理的一個機制那目前我們正在把它優化把它擴大成一個統籌型的計畫"},{"start":24962.675,"end":24989.242,"text":"那交通部也正在優化整個無人機的這個管理的規則那未來朝向什麼樣方式進行我想一方面產業的發展非常非常的迅速那我們要與時俱進能夠把整個全盤性綜合性的考量之後我會請這個相關部會這個計畫呢在院內是由鄭副院長來主持的那我會希望他能夠緊述的有一個更明確的一個規範的一個期程讓業者也有所遵循"},{"start":24989.773,"end":25011.581,"text":"好 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