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大家好那麼基本上本黨是支持這一次的這個會期的院會可以延長從7月31號現在因為民眾黨剛剛新提的修正案到8月31號"},{"start":2187.459,"end":2189.66,"text":"本席代表本黨敬表支持為什麼呢因為就像剛剛陳青龍委員所提的我目前有幾個重大的人事案還有預算案到現在為止都還沒有進行審查"},{"start":2204.111,"end":2208.392,"text":"賴清德總統可能忘記了他到大法官到現在為止他都沒有提名然後卓榮泰則是忘記了NCC委員中選會委員也還要提名那麼即將監察委員到7月31號也要屆滿那到現在基本上賴清德應該是要在此之前就要提名"},{"start":2229.458,"end":2244.71,"text":"監察委員所以我們有很多的重要的人事案上代審查那現在問題就是賴清德總統跟卓榮泰院長他不提名那麼這個是一個非常嚴重的憲政危機那接下來就講預算案我們現在中央政府總預算案才這個經過上禮拜的協商那已經要準備開始審查"},{"start":2251.135,"end":2253.916,"text":"因為預算案上來的審查都會時間比較久而且這次不僅是中央政府總預算案包含軍購預算還有ART的協定等等這都需要有更多充裕的時間來好好的進行審查"},{"start":2270.78,"end":2288.814,"text":"所以在這樣的一個情況之下以目前我們如果說會期不延長直到五月底的話是根本沒有辦法去做完這些事情的而之所以讓我們這個會期沒有辦法能夠如期的在原定的五月三十一號審完的最重要原因還是因為民進黨政府"},{"start":2290.735,"end":2300.602,"text":"該履行的憲法義務該履行的法律義務都不趕快去做好該編的預算也不編尤其是像是軍人待遇條例裡面的軍人加級預算還有警察人員的退職他們的退休金調高的預算"},{"start":2308.447,"end":2330.626,"text":"該編不編所以才會造成今天我們整個的中央政府總預算的延宕所以罪魁禍首應該就是民進黨政府而我們現在立法委員們基本上就是希望能夠將這些預算好好的審查當然需要充裕的時間來完成這些事情所以本黨基本上是支持我們這次的會期延長到8月31號以上"},{"start":2333.766,"end":2362.502,"text":"好 感謝翁委員的發言那接下來是民進黨這邊范委員好 我剛剛聽了就是提案的民眾黨還有支持的國民黨講了很多非常的冠冕堂皇的理由就是翁孝琳委員說要好好審總預算然後剛剛民眾黨的陳總召又說是因為ART也有好好審總預算然後兩者都有說抗議行政院等等等"},{"start":2363.502,"end":2381.415,"text":"那我想提醒兩位第一個國會的開會就是不等於真的有在工作第二個沒有開會的時候也不是立委不需要工作立委除了開會之外還有哪些事情第一個你要認真準備開會才有實質的內容"},{"start":2383.817,"end":2404.756,"text":"第二個區委員他也必須要回到選區第三個還有一件事情是非得要休會的時候才能做的就是韓院長念茲在茲的國會外交每一個委員其實都有義務要做國會外交尤其是在我們這個國際情勢這麼嚴峻的情況下韓院長就是在未來"},{"start":2409.14,"end":2430.475,"text":"兩三週內還要帶隊因為是英法的國會就史上第一次邀請我們的跨黨派國會議員去那韓院長重視的程度希望跨黨派都去那今天當然不是只有英法我想很多委員就是都需要做國會外交那其實你沒有休會完全沒有辦法規劃"},{"start":2431.536,"end":2446.577,"text":"其實也沒有辦法去因為這不是你一個週末就能夠走的所以第一個就是說我想講的事情是國會議員的工作有很多是要在不開會的時候進行的特別是國會外交其實跨黨派的"},{"start":2447.999,"end":2467.464,"text":"那第二個我也想提醒藍白的委員外界一直在批評這個司法保護傘的事情那我不知道你們怎麼去面對就是我們今天也不需要一一數說哪些委員有案在身外界一直認為說沒有正當的理由研會"},{"start":2468.524,"end":2494.136,"text":"根本就是在為就是國民黨的很多的委員在撐保護傘那現在就是民眾黨是不是有我們就先不說了那連民眾黨的前立委現在還是你們的嘉義市長候選人張祺凱他接受專訪的時候都說了我們認為是實話他怎麼說以下是他的逐字稿他說去年立法院為什麼這麼辛苦"},{"start":2495.777,"end":2517.236,"text":"因為民進黨一直要抓國民黨那八個立法委員所以那時候國昌我們幾個就討論說老實講這有一點或一半是幫國民黨那我們就說去年就全部不休會所以這是中華民國114年來唯一一次立法院沒有休會"},{"start":2518.53,"end":2534.04,"text":"然後後來他就評論所以去年是特別累當然這裡面把司法體系講成民進黨這是錯的可是他真的說了大實話你們去年也寫了一個一模一樣幾乎類似的提案講了冠冕堂皇的理由結果張祺凱現在還是民眾黨的市長候選人不就說了實話是在幫國民黨"},{"start":2540.965,"end":2564.155,"text":"然後是因為有立委可能會被抓要不然請張祺凱道歉收回我們看到的是這樣我也是為兩位還有國民黨跟民眾黨的整體的形象畢竟有案再申的人是少數不要讓外界一直覺得這個研會是司法保護傘"},{"start":2565.556,"end":2590.755,"text":"另外我快結束了 我也要簡單講一下民主國家每年開會的時間日本的常會150天5個月 剩下7個月都沒有再開會然後加拿大更短 他的眾議院一年實際開會135天而且會期的期間每個月有一週是穿插的選區工作週讓議員回到地方服務"},{"start":2592.096,"end":2609.522,"text":"會期比較長的英國 他會期有8到9個多月但是一年算起來也是有3.5個月到4個月是休會狀態最後 你們去年也是冠冕堂皇的理由結果呢 不要講沒有審總預算因為你們現在說是要認真審總預算去年2025年第三會期 因為你們國中兩黨強勢的表決"},{"start":2617.065,"end":2638.823,"text":"通過研會 而且研會兩度哇 你今天乾脆就是直接修會動議了就是從七月底 今天又修會動議 提到八月底你們上次 去年提到八月底結果呢 理由是要審查扶國立民的法案研會期間 各委員會排不出東西就安排考察活動 112場"},{"start":2642.406,"end":2661.891,"text":"這是你們說的認真開會嗎然後呢11位藍委口頭質詢律不及格我想這就是你們所說的認真開會所以我想也不要再讓外界覺得立法院一直在當某些人的司法保護傘"},{"start":2662.631,"end":2686.305,"text":"我覺得這個對藍委跟民眾黨的委員沒有案債生的人也非常不公平然後為了我們國會有很多工作只能在不開會的時候進行特別是國會外交那我真的希望兩個政黨收回不要再提這樣一個提案那不要讓我們的民主國會那真的被大家恥笑"},{"start":2688.069,"end":2700.855,"text":"好 謝謝范委員那剛剛各黨團都表示了各黨團的意見那現在是大家覺得要休息一下協商嗎還是 大家的意見怎麼樣"},{"start":2704.682,"end":2712.069,"text":"所以再講一輪嗎還是說不用休息了那我們就直接再講一輪那我們就照順序啦我們還是請那個好 謝謝主席啦當然我們剛剛民進黨我們翻譯也提出了他們的黨團的看法但是"},{"start":2725.925,"end":2742.77,"text":"就我們剛剛講的總預算案也好人事同意權的這樣的案子也好台美關稅等等這些都必須要在法定的這個開會期間才能夠進行才能夠審理那國會外交我們韓國研討在五月份要有率團"},{"start":2751.672,"end":2760.239,"text":"到英國、法國去做國會外交這個期間也是在法定的開會期間並不會影響到我們國會外交所以我們每一位立法委員如果我們要從事國會外交即使在會議的一個期間一樣可以進行國會外交那我覺得"},{"start":2776.631,"end":2796.036,"text":"班長團也建議我們總預算真的過去因為行政院不被列預算造成了我們的一個總預算的僵局那目前好朋友大家已經共同要為我們的總預算呼圍來做審查那我想一份"},{"start":2800.737,"end":2817.709,"text":"范委員的經歷也了解這個總預算真的我們要審查那個時間上必須也要有充分的時間而且我們也很有誠意把ART 把MOU這個未來可能的一個狀況我們把時間都把它這個保留這樣最大的彈性我想我們的目的就是"},{"start":2828.596,"end":2846.808,"text":"希望能夠透過我們的一個立法程序能夠讓我們該有的人事案、預算案、民生的法案包括我們現在各黨團隊有提出的國民年金法、勞動津貼等等這些也就是我們朝野"},{"start":2847.288,"end":2861.101,"text":"最關心的法案希望我們能夠在研會的這樣會期裡面通通能夠把它依法順利來完成所以我們才提出這樣的一個修正動議研會到8月31號以上"},{"start":2868.84,"end":2883.78,"text":"我想這幾個會期都研會那研會是不是代表立法委員們到期末都沒有事情做恰恰相反其實非常非常多的事情尤其是很多重要的法案那麼以及"},{"start":2884.982,"end":2900.836,"text":"國會外交選民服務等等其實都在研會的時間完全沒有中斷這個其實對於立法委員來講反而是一個更多更沉重的負擔那麼再說剛剛范雲委員有講說研會是不是為了少數一些委員的司法保護傘"},{"start":2902.057,"end":2922.688,"text":"坦白說不是只有國民黨的委員可能有少數的幾個可能會有所謂的司法的問題民進黨委員 林一錦委員 林大華委員不是就是了嗎所以我們今天提出這個言會絕對不是說是因為司法保護傘如果說是因為司法保護傘的話那最好就是大家都不要有"},{"start":2923.248,"end":2929.432,"text":"那麼這個直接這個檢調該怎麼處理就怎麼處理所以這個不是理由最重要的問題就是因為行政院在之前他當初要該編的預算他不編然後也拒絕執行法律然後沒有依法行政這是這次研會最重要的一個問題因為沒有依法行政沒有編列預算然後導致我們現在的預算上會期預算會期必須延到這個會期來進行"},{"start":2951.405,"end":2973.956,"text":"所以一切的問題都是在民進黨政府 更何況你說我們到後面的這個有些委員會會舉辦考察民進黨的召委沒有辦考察嗎 民進黨的召委辦考察的一大堆啊 去查他就知道了他們這個辦考察的比例所以不要把這些事情都怪到說什麼在野黨的委員們到了期末之後沒有議題可討論 事實上就有很多的議題可討論"},{"start":2976.917,"end":2992.349,"text":"而不是沒有議題可討論所以我們今天把會期延長我覺得這是一個立法委員對於立法的一個盡責的表現那倒是民進黨委員一直不想要延會是不想把這些事情積極的處理完嗎上次還到日本去"},{"start":2998.053,"end":3014.497,"text":"集體到日本去看球賽大家都在說民進黨委員是薪水小偷了那現在我們是想要多做事情難道民進黨委員也要否決嗎這是以上所以我想待會就可以再來討論我們到底是不是就決定8月31號來開會 研會好 感謝范委員"},{"start":3022.319,"end":3040.901,"text":"我想民進黨委員都有認真在開會我們絕對不是反對開會我們是反對不正常的全年無休的一種狀態去年一整年全年無休吳曉得剛剛兩位一直說是因為要好好審總預算"},{"start":3042.642,"end":3059.349,"text":"大家全國都知道去年總預算一頁都沒有審所以去年你們可能也完全忘了是因為哪些的理由就是全年無休然後二次研會先延一次到七月底再延一次到八月底"},{"start":3059.929,"end":3085.251,"text":"那剛剛歐委員說民進黨召委也有排考察那民進黨的召委不是要研會的那一方嗎你們剛剛說民進黨也有少數委員有案在身那民進黨有為了他們要研會然後要保護什麼更不用講以我手上的資料國民黨的委員是兩位數字有案在身那我要講的事情是"},{"start":3085.831,"end":3115.053,"text":"今天這個研會是一種非常不正常的狀態那希望兩位可以回去跟你們的黨團討論能夠好好的再思考那真的不要讓外界的這個指責就是陳真那很多的委員可能他有各種不同的規劃而且所有的黨團助理他們也必須要利用就是休會的時候好好的研究法案"},{"start":3115.693,"end":3140.749,"text":"再回來講總預算現在是四月中我不知道總預算今年過了三分之一我們在六月底之前把它審完不是應該要有的基本的工作嗎難道你要再拖到七月底拖到八月底今年都過了一半還在審總預算我真的覺得就是說不要為了你要合理化"},{"start":3141.87,"end":3159.244,"text":"這個研會兩次從七月底到八月底然後讓總預算拖延到今年過了整個半年那最後兩位在講的ART各位都知道就是ART是行政院在談判你從監督的角度很多能討論的專案報告的都有報告過了"},{"start":3161.286,"end":3189.8,"text":"如果你們真的在談判的某個時刻或者結果揭曉的時候剛好是在休會期間你其實都可以召開臨時會這個都是立法院的多數絕對做得到的所以我想全國民眾有在關心你們的理由會真的覺得他們說不過去那今天我能說的都說了那我還是請主席裁示讓國民黨團跟民眾黨團可以回去再思考好不好"},{"start":3191.806,"end":3215.018,"text":"好 大家都發表自己的意見了那接下來不曉得還有沒有什麼大家要發言或者是要做一些協商沒有了好 那看來各黨團都已經針對本案表達了各自黨團的立場顯然我們今天的這個會議沒有辦法達到共識那今天針對本案的協商我們就到此為止謝謝大家"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:01:12.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:01:19.830000+08:00","text":"我們時間到了，看起來各黨團的代表都已經到場了，我們現在就宣布開始開會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:01:20.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:01:37.339000+08:00","text":"首先跟各黨團代表做一個說明：我們今天協商的議案是由台灣民眾黨所提，建請第 5 會期延\n長會期至 115 年 7 月 31 日止，請公決案。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:01:38.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:01:49.323000+08:00","text":"本案前經本會期第 6 次會議決議，交由黨團協商，並\n由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商，爰於今天召開協商會議進行協商。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:01:49.323000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T14:02:07.258000+08:00","text":"我們援例還是由提案的黨團進行說明，再由其他黨團發表意見，因為時間關係，每個黨團發\n言時間大概就是每個人 3分鐘，我們是不是先請提案的台灣民眾黨黨團陳清龍委員進行說明？","quality":0.24},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:02:07.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:02:07.378000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:02:33.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:03:16.737000+08:00","text":"我們立法院立法委員的責任本來就是好好的審查法案、審查預算，也審查\n人事的同意權，也要負責任的監督政府，我們知道這個會期正常是在 5 月底就要屆滿，但我們\n也看到，因為賴清德總統、卓榮泰院長的怠惰，我們現在還有很多重要的中央人事同意權尚未\n送請本院來審查，包括司法院的大法官、國家通訊傳播委員會委員的缺額。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:03:16.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:03:26.399000+08:00","text":"另外卓院長也說了\n，有關中選會，他還要再提名三位中選會委員的名單。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:03:26.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:03:51.599000+08:00","text":"另外民進黨一再擴大內宣有關臺美關稅談判的成果，也就是我們臺美對等貿易協定 ART、臺\n美投資備忘錄MOU 等文本，到目前為止也還沒有依據條約締結法送請我們國會審議。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:03:51.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:04:15.598000+08:00","text":"另外我們立法院三讀通過的軍人待遇條例及警察人員人事條例的修法，過去卓榮泰院長違法\n不編列預算，也導致立法院無法審查總預算案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:04:16.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:04:30.427000+08:00","text":"一直到上個禮拜，在韓院長的主持之下，行政\n院答應六個月之內也要提出修法，也因此能夠讓總預算付委審查。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:04:31.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:05:34.705000+08:00","text":"我們考量立法院還有這麼多的法案、預算、人事的同意權、臺美關稅的協定等等，這些審查\n都需要時間，也會排擠到我們既有民生法案的審理時間，因此為了讓本院有充足的時間好好的\n審查、嚴格的審查，不要倉促的過水、草草的通過，台灣民眾黨今天也會提出一個修正動議，\n446\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄\n建請本會期要延長到 8 月 31 日，為國家保留我們最大的彈性，也能夠讓賴清德政府補足誠信，\n把我們立法院應該做的工作做好，也能夠讓立法院認真的審查，這樣也才不會辜負人民對我們\n的期待，以上。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:05:37.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:05:38.427000+08:00","text":"感謝陳清龍委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:05:38.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:05:42.849000+08:00","text":"剛剛清龍委員說好像有一個修正動議。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:05:43.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:05:47.691000+08:00","text":"是不是有提供紙本，我們現在發下去給各黨團做個參考？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:05:48.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:05:49.732000+08:00","text":"有，我們已經提供紙本了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:05:49.732000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:01.774000+08:00","text":"447\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:01.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:05.216000+08:00","text":"本來是 7月 31日嘛，所以清龍委員的臨時動議，現在會延到 8月 31日……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:05.216000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:06.216000+08:00","text":"延到 8月 31日。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:05.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:08.719000+08:00","text":"接下來我們是請中國國民黨或者是民進黨哪一位先？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:09.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:09.199000+08:00","text":"都可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:09.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:10.200000+08:00","text":"好，請翁委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:30.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:32.332000+08:00","text":"主席，還有兩位委員，大家好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:33.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:47.519000+08:00","text":"基本上，本黨是支持這個會期的院會可以從 7 月 31\n日延長，現在因為民眾黨剛剛新提的修正案到 8 月 31 日，本席代表本黨敬表支持，為什麼呢？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:06:47.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:06:48.640000+08:00","text":"因為就像剛剛陳清龍委員所提的，我們目前有幾個重大的人事案，還有預算案，到現在為止都\n還沒有進行審查。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:07:03.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:07:29.079000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統可能忘記了，到現在為止，大法官，他都沒有提名，卓榮泰則是\n忘記了 NCC 委員、中選會委員也還要提名，監察委員到 7 月 31 日也要屆滿，基本上，賴清德\n應該在此之前就要提名監察委員。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:07:29.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:07:40.808000+08:00","text":"所以我們有很多重要的人事案尚待審查，現在的問題就是賴\n清德總統跟卓榮泰院長不提名，那麼這是一個非常嚴重的憲政危機。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:07:40.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:07:52.896000+08:00","text":"接下來就講預算案，現在中央政府總預算案才經過上禮拜的協商，已經要準備開始審查，因\n為預算案向來審查時間都會比較久，而且這次不僅是中央政府總預算案，包含軍購預算，還有\nART 的協定等等，這都需要有更多充裕的時間好好的進行審查。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:08:10.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:08:17.886000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，如果會期\n不延長，只到 5 月底的話，根本沒有辦法做完這些事情的。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:08:18.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:09:09.606000+08:00","text":"之所以讓這會期沒有辦法能夠如期\n在原訂 5 月 31 日審完的最重要原因，還是因為民進黨政府該履行的憲法義務、該履行的法律義\n務都不趕快去做好，該編的預算也不編，尤其是像軍人待遇條例裡面的軍人加給預算，還有警\n察人員的退職，他們退休金調高的這個預算，該編不編才會造成今天整個中央政府總預算延宕\n，所以罪魁禍首應該就是民進黨政府，而現在我們立法委員們，基本上就是希望能夠將這些預\n算好好的審查，當然需要充裕的時間來完成這些事情，所以本黨基本上是支持這次的會期延長\n到 8月 31日。以上。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:09:12.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:09:14.227000+08:00","text":"感謝翁委員的發言。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:09:14.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:09:16.908000+08:00","text":"接下來是民進黨這邊，范委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:09:16.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:09:41.481000+08:00","text":"好，我剛剛聽了提案的民眾黨，還有支持的國民黨，講了很多非常冠冕堂皇的理由，翁\n曉玲委員說要好好審總預算，剛剛民眾黨的陳總召又說是因為 ART，也有好好審總預算，然後\n兩者都有說抗議行政院等等等。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:09:42.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:09:58.634000+08:00","text":"我想提醒兩位，第一個，國會開會不等於真的有在工作；第二\n個，沒有開會的時候，也不是立委不需要工作，立委除了開會之外還有哪些事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:09:58.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:10:39.949000+08:00","text":"第一個，你\n要認真準備，開會才有實質的內容；第二個，區域委員也必須要回到選區；第三個，還有一件\n事情是非得要休會的時候才能做的，就是韓院長念茲在茲的國會外交，每一個委員其實都有義\n務要做國會外交，尤其是在國際情勢這麼嚴峻的情況下，韓院長在未來兩、三週內還要帶隊，\n因為英、法的國會史上第一次邀請我們跨黨派的國會議員去，韓院長重視的程度，希望跨黨派\n都去。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:10:40.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:10:55.443000+08:00","text":"今天當然不是只有英、法，我想很多委員都需要做國會外交，沒有休會完全沒有辦法規劃，\n其實也沒有辦法去，因為這不是一個週末就能夠走的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:10:55.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:11:05.557000+08:00","text":"所以第一個我想講的事情是，國會議員的工作有很多是要在不開會的時候進行的，特別是國\n448\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄\n會外交，這也是跨黨派的。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:11:07.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:11:22.703000+08:00","text":"第二個，我也要提醒藍、白的委員，外界一直在批評有關司法保護\n傘的事情，我不知道你們要怎麼面對，今天我們也不需要一一述說是哪些委員有案在身。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:11:23.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:11:37.309000+08:00","text":"外界\n一直認為沒有正當理由的延會，根本就是在為國民黨的很多委員撐起保護傘，現在民眾黨是不\n是也有，我們就先不數了。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:11:38.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:11:49.615000+08:00","text":"連民眾黨前立委、現在的嘉義市長候選人張啓楷接受專訪時都說了\n，我們認為那是實話，他怎麼說的？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:11:49.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:11:53.116000+08:00","text":"以下是他的逐字稿：去年立法院為什麼這麼辛苦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:11:54.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:12:16.236000+08:00","text":"因為民\n進黨一直要抓國民黨那 8 個立法委員，所以那時候我們和國昌幾個委員就討論這件事情，老實\n講，這有一點或一半是在幫國民黨，我們就說去年全部不休會，這是中華民國 114 年來唯一一次\n立法院沒有休會。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:12:17.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:12:20.352000+08:00","text":"後來他就評論：所以去年是特別累。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:12:21.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:12:48.789000+08:00","text":"當然這裡面把司法體系講成民進黨，這是錯的，可是他真的說了大實話，去年你們也寫了一\n個一模一樣、幾乎類似的提案，講了冠冕堂皇的理由，結果民眾黨現在的市長候選人張啓楷，\n不就說了實話表示是在幫國民黨，因為有立委可能會被抓，要不然請張啓楷道歉收回，我們看\n到的是這樣。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:12:49.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:13:03.155000+08:00","text":"為了兩位還有國民黨、民眾黨的整體形象著想，畢竟有案在身的人是少數，不要\n讓外界一直覺得延會是司法保護傘。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:13:04.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:13:42.140000+08:00","text":"另外，我也要簡單講一下民主國家每年開會的時間，日本的常會 150 天、5 個月，剩下 7 個月\n都沒有在開會；加拿大更短，它的眾議院一年實際開會 135 天，而且會期期間每個月穿插一週\n是選區工作週，讓議員回到地方服務；會期比較長的英國，會期有 8 到 9 個多月，但是一年算\n起來也有 3.5個月到 4個月是休會狀態。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:13:42.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:13:47.382000+08:00","text":"最後，你們去年也是以冠冕堂皇的理由，表示要審查總預算，結果也沒有審，現在你們又說\n要認真審總預算。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:13:47.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:14:05.733000+08:00","text":"去年 2025 年第 3 會期，國、眾兩黨強勢表決通過延會，而且兩度延會，今天\n乾脆就直接提出延會動議，從 7 月底修正到 8 月底。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:14:07.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:14:23.427000+08:00","text":"去年提到 8 月底，理由是要審查福國利民\n法案，但在延會期間，各委員會排不出東西，就安排考察活動 112 場，這是你們說的要認真開會\n嗎？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:14:23.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:14:33.009000+08:00","text":"然後有 11 位藍委口頭質詢率不及格，這就是你們所說的認真開會嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:14:35.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:05.285000+08:00","text":"為了不要再讓外界認\n為立法院一直在當某些人的司法保護傘，這個對沒有案子在身的藍委和民眾黨委員也非常不公\n平，然後我們國會有很多工作只能在不開會的時候進行，特別是國會外交，所以我真的希望兩\n個政黨收回，不要再提出這樣一個提案，不要讓我們的民主國會真的被大家恥笑。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:07.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:08.350000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝范委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:08.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:18.214000+08:00","text":"剛剛各黨團都表示了各黨團的意見，現在要休息一下協商嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:18.214000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:19.214000+08:00","text":"大家有什麼\n意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:18.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:25.684000+08:00","text":"還是再講一輪？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:27.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:28.407000+08:00","text":"好，那就不休息，我們直接再講一輪。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:28.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:29.668000+08:00","text":"依照順序，我們還是請陳清龍委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:29.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:15:29.868000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:15:30.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:16:00.889000+08:00","text":"剛剛民進黨范委員提出了他們黨團的看法，但是就像我剛剛講的，包括總\n預算案、人事同意權案、臺美關稅等等，這些都必須在法定開會期間才能夠進行、才能夠審理\n。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:16:01.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:16:18.979000+08:00","text":"至於國會外交部分，韓國瑜院長在 5 月份要率團到英國、法國進行國會外交，期間也是在法\n定開會期間，並不會影響到國會外交，我們每一位立法委員如果要從事國會外交，其實在會議\n期間一樣可以進行。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-20T14:16:36.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:18:00.081000+08:00","text":"本黨團的建議是，總預算過去因為行政院不編列預算，造成總預算審查的僵局，目前好不容\n易大家已經共同要讓總預算付委審查，我想以范委員的經驗，應該也了解總預算真的要審查，\n449\n立法院公報 第 115卷 第 32期 黨團協商紀錄\n必須要有充分時間，而且我們也很有誠意把 ART、MOU 未來可能的狀況，保留最大的時間彈性\n，我們的目的就是希望透過立法程序，能夠讓該有的人事案、預算案、民生法案，包括現在各\n黨團都有提出的國民年金法、老農津貼等等這些朝野最關心的法案，都能夠在延會會期裡通通\n依法順利完成，所以我們才提出這樣一個修正動議，延會到 8月 31號。以上。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:18:07.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:18:15.891000+08:00","text":"我們這幾個會期都延會，延會是不是代表立法委員們到期末都沒有事情做？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:18:16.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:18:33.390000+08:00","text":"其實恰恰\n相反，有非常非常多的事情，尤其是很多重要的法案，以及國會外交、選民服務等等，在延會\n期間完全沒有中斷，這對立法委員來講，反而是一個更多、更沉重的負擔。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:18:33.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:18:54.204000+08:00","text":"再者，剛剛范雲委員提到延會是不是為了一些少數委員的司法保護傘，坦白說，可能會有少\n數幾個委員有所謂的司法問題，但不是只有國民黨委員，包括民進黨的林宜瑾委員、林岱樺委\n員，不是也是嗎？","quality":0.58},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:18:54.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:19:04.850000+08:00","text":"所以我們今天提出這個延會案，絕對不是因為司法保護傘，如果說是因為司\n法保護傘，那最好大家都不要有，直接檢調該怎麼處理就怎麼處理，所以這個不是理由。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:19:04.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:19:07.051000+08:00","text":"最重\n要的原因是，行政院當初該編的預算不編，又拒絕執行法律，沒有依法行政，才是這次延會最\n重要的問題。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:19:07.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:19:32.526000+08:00","text":"因為沒有依法行政、沒有編列預算，導致上會期預算會期必須延到這個會期來進\n行，所以一切問題都在民進黨政府。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:19:32.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:19:41.410000+08:00","text":"更何況你說到後面的時間，有些委員會都是舉辦考察，但民進黨的召委沒有辦考察嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:19:41.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:19:52.335000+08:00","text":"民進\n黨的召委辦考察的一大堆，去查一查就知道他們辦考察的比例，所以不要把這些事情都怪到在\n野黨委員身上，說什麼到了期末之後，沒有議題可討論！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:19:52.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:20:11.129000+08:00","text":"事實上就有很多議題可討論，並不是\n沒有議題可討論，所以我們今天提議延長會期，是一個立法委員對於立法職責盡責的表現，倒\n是民進黨委員一直不想要延會，是不想要把這些事情積極地處理完嗎？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:20:11.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:20:26.736000+08:00","text":"上次集體到日本看球賽\n，大家都在說民進黨委員是薪水小偷，現在我們想要多做事情，難道民進黨委員也要否決嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-20T14:20:27.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:20:33.037000+08:00","text":"所以我想待會就可以來討論到底是不是要決定延會到 8 月 31號。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:20:42.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:20:54.875000+08:00","text":"民進黨委員都有認真在開會，我們絕對不是反對開會，我們是反對不正常的全年無休狀\n態。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:20:54.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:21:18.329000+08:00","text":"去年一整年全年無休，剛剛兩位一直說是因為要好好審總預算，大家全國都知道，去年總\n預算一頁都沒有審，去年你們可能也完全忘了是因為哪些理由，就是全年無休二次延會，先延\n一次到 7 月底，再延一次到 8 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是行政院在談判，你從監督的角度，很多能討論\n的、專案報告的都有報告過了，如果談判的某個時刻或者結果揭曉的時候剛好是在休會期間，\n你其實都可以召開臨時會，這個都是立法院的多數絕對做得到的，所以我想全國民眾有在關心\n你們的，他們真的會覺得說不過去。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-20T14:23:20.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:23:28.780000+08:00","text":"今天我能說的都說了，我還是請主席裁示，讓國民黨團跟\n民眾黨團可以回去再思考，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:23:31.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:23:37.730000+08:00","text":"大家都發表自己的意見了，接下來不曉得還有沒有什麼要發言或者是要做一些協商？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:23:39.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:23:39.510000+08:00","text":"沒有了\n？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:23:39.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T14:23:53.998000+08:00","text":"好，看來各黨團都已經針對本案表達了黨團各自的立場，顯然我們今天的這個會議沒有辦法\n達到共識，今天針對本案的協商，我們就到此為止，謝謝大家。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T14:23:54.498000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T14:23:55.640857+08:00","text":"散會（14時 23 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