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那個你看看那個岸巡隊跟查緝隊完全沒有領到這個海巡部隊加擠喔目前的就是東南沙這個海岸邊防機關是從三千提高到七千"},{"start":2248.553,"end":2262.95,"text":"那同樣的同樣是東南沙離島單位的暗巡中隊是從五千提到一萬二然而暗巡隊這個查緝部隊是零同屬於第一線勤務卻出現零跟一萬二的這個巨大落差所以我請教副組委您認為暗巡隊的這個勤務是比較輕鬆"},{"start":2266.474,"end":2274.383,"text":"安全嗎?你認定他不屬於第一線嗎?因此不需要有這個加擠嗎?安巡隊可是24小時巡邏,輪班巡訪查緝人員要持槍,持槍執勤那進行查緝任務,如果這樣不算第一線,什麼叫做第一線呢?"},{"start":2281.731,"end":2295.887,"text":"跟委員報告我們這有區分兩個部分來說明第一個部分就是國軍的這個部分我們在少校以下連級的部份的所有單位支援的海巡跟戰隊部隊加級是跟國防部一模一樣的部分"},{"start":2296.428,"end":2317.537,"text":"那另外在這個相當旅籍以上的這一個也就是上校以上的單位跟國防部的幕僚相同都沒有指引相關的這些家計那另外在有關查緝隊的部分這我想委員特別關心我覺得那個重點他這就是第一線嘛他在第一線作戰嘛對這第一線的部分我們現在領的是跟國防部一模一樣的"},{"start":2318.602,"end":2337.35,"text":"但是我剛剛指出來這個表很清楚啦那個他們做了個暗巡隊查緝隊我們稍微來看一下他的內容那我麻煩副主委你看一下右邊也是一樣東南沙進行這個巡防作業東南沙分屬案的暗巡中隊有一萬二加計但是同屬東南沙分屬的內勤兄弟就沒有他只有七千塊錢"},{"start":2340.171,"end":2368.225,"text":"那一樣都是一線前線作戰風險我也有差別在於這個跟國防您剛剛說按照國防的這個前線部隊的加緊落差很大副主委所以我是建議要跟國防部一個標準啦在前線前線都是要一萬二啦而且東南沙這個分屬的地胸因為更遠喔應該是要再考慮這個不管你叫偏遠啊外這個地域加緊這個都是應該是比較妥當我可不可以請副主委您回去再做一次檢討好嗎"},{"start":2370.347,"end":2395.439,"text":"跟委員報告 第一個部分 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謝謝陳昭之委員非常專業 非常完整的詢答因為我們今天是主條等一下還有很多時間可以來做討論接下來請張志倫委員來做詢答"},{"start":2585.916,"end":2596.606,"text":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員早有請海委會張副主委請張副主委好副主委謝謝那"},{"start":2599.099,"end":2626.37,"text":"今天是有關於這個海委會跟海巡署要偵涉第三位副主委的法令的修正案那本席在這邊先我是支持這個海巡的相關的預算謝謝委員那可是本席要特別針對海巡相關我們編列的預算我們要進行嚴格的審查那首先我今天主要是要討論有關海巡署不管是從公務預算或特別預算"},{"start":2627.331,"end":2631.605,"text":"花了非常多的納稅錢來購買無人機的部分那不過我要先感謝"},{"start":2633.276,"end":2656.515,"text":"這個恭喜副主委啊聽說您最近有取得這個民航核發的無人機的專業操作證是有考過考過可以飛無人機可以去執行你也可以去執行可以好謝謝那很高興副主委以身作則在我們這個海巡未來主要推動無人機的腳步上一起來努力那我想要請教"},{"start":2657.336,"end":2683.379,"text":"主委知道說我們海委會在特別預算裡面其實針對無人機有編列21.3億元的特別預算總共要籌措451架無人機的購置你知道這件事嗎知道那我想請問就你本身而言你剛考過專業證照你自己本身有買無人機嗎我本身以前有玩過那你一台無人機大概買多少錢"},{"start":2684.391,"end":2700.009,"text":"跟委員報告因為無人機的進程跌的太快了你買一台大概多少錢因為是小型的250公克以下所以我那時候買含一年的保固跟保險兩萬多出頭一點點"},{"start":2705.675,"end":2726.724,"text":"所以第一個無人機的重點第一個是重量還有它電池可以續航的程度而且它可以飛行的距離等等都是我覺得非常重要無人機它的價格的問題可是我們看到剛剛我們的特別預算裡面編了21.3億的無人機它有包含進程機、中程機、建載機以及特勤機的部分"},{"start":2727.344,"end":2753.221,"text":"那最近我們也看到我們海委會已經開始公開徵求有關於中程機以及特勤機無人機的這個採購那讓本席所吃驚的中程機我們的預算購置的預算大概是5.9億那算下來是18架9套的無人機算下來的話每一單架每一架的無人機的金額大概是3277萬元"},{"start":2756.003,"end":2766.532,"text":"這是我們現在已經公開徵求的那第二個本席想要再請教的是特勤機啊更是讓本席驚訝我們的是要買9組大概9組4245萬元那一組的單價我不知道一組是幾台一組單價要471點"},{"start":2774.265,"end":2796.295,"text":"400多萬要480萬元那尤其我看到我們這個特勤機的規格它的機體的重量是在3公斤以下飛行的時間大概只有30分鐘而且承受的風量承受的抗風能力才5級那我想要請教我們副主委會不會覺得我們的無人機的採購到底我們買一台的單價多少錢會不會採購太貴了"},{"start":2798.936,"end":2821.172,"text":"跟委員報告無人機除了我們現在市面上上過的以外其實我們會買無人機最主要一個功能就是它是用來徵收的我這邊跟市長跟委員透露就像它的籌債我們現在高階的籌債它光一個Gamble光一個徵收的雷達它就高達五到六千萬"},{"start":2822.272,"end":2850.304,"text":"所以我們不能夠以這一個無人機單價來算第二部分我們是全售期的維保還有保固包圍保包括我們還要做人員的教育訓練還有考場的設置這個都是包含在這個建案的方面所以那個委員看到的你會覺得說為什麼我412架的這個進程機會有這麼高的價格其實它是包含有剛剛我講的這個這麼多的部分還有包括它籌載部分那因為海巡組的無人機主要是用來做徵收"},{"start":2852.025,"end":2870.756,"text":"所以它會跟國防部的有一些是不一樣的特別跟委員報告好 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謝謝主席有請副主委有請張副主委"},{"start":3705.399,"end":3724.285,"text":"委員好副主委好首先我想問一個有關於最近發生的時事議題就是有一艘基隆級的泉魚六號海難事件這個事情基本上看起來是一個還蠻單純的海上救援但是現在卻演變成為兩岸各說各話的救難羅生門"},{"start":3733.083,"end":3747.424,"text":"我想對於人民來講最在意的就是生命財產的安全而不是在乎的是這誰先搶到話語權誰先做政治宣傳所以我今天我想請教海巡署的幾個問題"},{"start":3748.866,"end":3772.543,"text":"就是到底全魚六號它在4月16號在釣魚台東北約77海里那時候發生了這個失火那當時的救援的真相到底是如何在第一時間趕到現場然後有去幫忙去救助這個船員的到底是哪一個國家"},{"start":3773.508,"end":3802.668,"text":"我這邊特別跟委員說明中國大陸只要逮到機會他就可以做他的認知作戰這是我現在聲明的部分第二個部分全域六號他是在16號的早上5點21分那我們5點21分接到通報以後因為那個地方是日本的搜救責任區我們現在所有的全世界搜救責任區都是根據IMO所有相關規定來規範的也就是那個責任區誰的責任區發現誰要先去救那我特別要跟委員報告我們現在搜救無國界"},{"start":3803.768,"end":3826.723,"text":"誰看到 誰就會去救他 不管是哪一個國家所以誰先看到嘛對 那第二個部分就是我們通報我們在國售中心就第一時間就通報日本日本海上保安廳他們是日本海上保安廳的第一艘船是在8點38分就到現場然後第二個部分 他7點21分的時候他的空襯機 海保的空襯機就到現場去看了"},{"start":3827.503,"end":3850.012,"text":"所以第一個時間到現場的,是我們鄰近的漁船那個全體36,他先把船上有7個人,他先把6個船員先救起來那日本的,日本海保廳的PLO89謝謝副主委,您剛剛講這些事情,就是當然就是說,就中國大陸那邊"},{"start":3850.632,"end":3874.791,"text":"他們也發布了這個相關的新聞訊息也PO了照片那看起來當時他們應該是離這個泉漁六號的失火的船是非常靠近的那麼在這個部分來說可能日本也許你們我們先通知了日本那麼日本他先派了這個偵察機等等的去巡邏但是在第一時間救援的"},{"start":3875.532,"end":3900.868,"text":"除了我們自己剛剛講的全域36號我們自己台灣的船之外是不是中國大陸那邊的船也有伸出援手去救援我們接到全域36號通報的時候是在下午的4點多他有通報說有一艘中國的海警船在現場協助滅火那日本的日本他是以先救人為優先所以他第一時間除了滅火以外然後他先去救那個船長這個船到底是什麼兩邊都一起出來滅火嗎"},{"start":3904.81,"end":3919.656,"text":"一起救援嗎?日本跟中國大陸都有所以看起來中國大陸是最先有去滅火的嘛然後船員是不是也是他們先救起來日本先滅火 日本先到但是日本沒有救船員"},{"start":3924.079,"end":3951.202,"text":"船員是我們在周邊作業的所以我們就先救了他們先救起來的好那如果這樣的話其實我想這個是一個大家蠻關心的一個船難的事件那更在乎的就是說到現在為止還有一名失蹤的船長到現在都還沒有被救起來我們很希望就是說是在這不久的將來可以趕快找到這名船長那麼但是"},{"start":3951.802,"end":3970.788,"text":"就這件事情來說本席其實很在意的就是船那時間發生了那中國大陸他們那裡有可能他們的說法然後日本那邊也有他們說法但最重要是我們自己的這是我們自己的漁船海巡署應該要真實的呈現整個的救難經過"},{"start":3973.009,"end":3994.343,"text":"剛剛這個副主委講得很好就是救難無國界那麼救難我覺得也不應該去區別到底是誰先救誰後救或是說人家有救了然後又故意說他們又是一個政治的一個統戰的一個話術重要的是說是不是能夠救回人民的生命我覺得這是才是重點那在這裡我還想要再進一步的去了解的就是說那現在因為釣魚台周邊海域本來它就是一個高風險的區域"},{"start":4001.608,"end":4018.998,"text":"那麼對於北部漁船的相關的緊急定位的設備衛星通訊救生裝備的等等這些補助啊保險制度那海巡署這邊或是還有這個涉及跨國搜救協調機制就這個部分來講的話海巡署或是海委會這裡有沒有特別強化"},{"start":4020.762,"end":4046.301,"text":"這邊跟委員報告就是有關漁船的相關的這些設備補助還有包括救難設施這邊因為這是漁業署的權責那我們在我們還有一個部分我們會就護漁的部分我們會加強那比如說現在這個這個時機點就是釣魚台的台日海域的重點那個漁訊局所以我們通常會派一到三艘的大艦會在漁船最多的地方在附近護漁"},{"start":4047.102,"end":4052.924,"text":"那像台北現在也是熱季啊所以我們會派一到兩艘的大艦會在附近那保護我們的漁民"},{"start":4054.333,"end":4060.756,"text":"尤其是因為日本也認為釣魚團那邊是他們重要的海域他們過去也曾經有發生過就是有驅趕台灣的漁船甚至對於台灣的漁民非常不友善比較惡劣的一個做法我們希望海巡署能夠肩負起保護我們漁民的責任那麼更何況就是現在海巡署對於日本就是在"},{"start":4079.364,"end":4095.996,"text":"這個海域的部分那又有中國大陸那邊他們也會一起去巡邏那麼就未來如果說有發生類似像這樣的一個救難事件來說我認為說兩岸還是要基於一個海難的相互互助的這樣一個精神"},{"start":4097.037,"end":4117.187,"text":"如果說那邊的船發生了問題我們去救援我們的船發生了問題他們也來救援那大家要把政治放兩旁這個就像我講的人民的生命財產才是最重要的這是以上我對於海巡署的期許那另外對於說今天的海巡署要增加多一位副署長的事因為"},{"start":4118.087,"end":4127.079,"text":"副主委也來跟我這裡報告過我原則上是支持可是我還是要講一下就是就目前我看到海委會跟海巡署之間分工的一個很奇特的狀況其實"},{"start":4129.639,"end":4158.327,"text":"就副主委您自己本身就是海委會的副主委但是又去擔任海巡署的署長所以您一個人是身兼數職對不對如果說今天海巡署署長跟副主委他是兩個不同的人擔任海巡署的署長其實他再加上兩個副署長也許就夠了可是你現在變成是分身乏術啊要去履行政務副主委的這樣的責任然後又同時要再去承擔海巡署署長這個重責大任"},{"start":4159.247,"end":4172.755,"text":"確實對於整個海巡署的人力配置來講的話是不足的那麼我認為說這個部分其實未來其實應該要進行檢討是不是副主委就副主委一個專職然後海巡署的署長就海巡署署長的專職"},{"start":4173.851,"end":4196.96,"text":"跟委包因為這有牽涉到修法所以到時候我們再來做相關的研究是因為你們自己就在內部所以很清楚知道說相關的法律是不是應該進行修正我個人覺得海巡署署長在工作上是不影響的這邊特別跟委員說明我完全不會影響到海巡署的工作而且我們推行的越來越好也謝謝委員的支持謝謝委員好以上好謝謝好謝謝接下來我們請徐宇珍委員上台質詢"},{"start":4216.376,"end":4217.657,"text":"請張副主委兼海巡署長"},{"start":4244.955,"end":4263.569,"text":"但是呢也正因為如此我們不能讓我們的基層同仁就是撐在最前面應該我們必須要拿出更完整的應變準備讓第一線在捍衛主權維持秩序的同時也能夠有足夠的人力裝置制度跟規範作為後盾那"},{"start":4264.449,"end":4278.522,"text":"先請教署長就是面對中國海警船常態化的侵擾金門海這個水域請問海巡署目前除了一對一的並行監控外還有什麼長期系統性的因應對策"},{"start":4280.287,"end":4294.318,"text":"這邊跟委員報告那我想全世界應對中國揮帶襲擾 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炮啊 要經過我的允許才可以使用另外對於通常因公執法所採 衍生了相關的這些不管是任何的賠償啊 撫恤啊什麼這些我們有一套的完整的這個撫恤措施"},{"start":4523.884,"end":4551.537,"text":"對 我想照完整的措施避免讓基層的同仁單獨去承受相關的風險這樣才能夠提高我們這個海巡署的同仁他們願意在為我們國家付出的這個在第一線為國家這個打這個征戰的一個過程中能夠受到大家的肯定那另外我再請教您一下就是說這個潮頭地檢署在本月的14號起訴境外勢力行賄軍人泄密國安的這個"},{"start":4553.737,"end":4576.403,"text":"因為海巡署目前也有一位哨衛層級的官兵有涉嫌請問一下一個哨衛層級的官兵為什麼能夠接觸到足以被認定為違反國安法的秘密文書或電詞的記錄海巡署內部針對各級人員的接觸機密的全線分級是不是需要全面的重新盤查"},{"start":4577.343,"end":4596.704,"text":"根本包括因為這位同仁是在東南沙分屬那基本上東南沙分屬的所有的相關這些資訊我們都會把他列為機敏性的這個資料那他洩漏出去以後我們在第一時間就根據這個相關的法律就跟他這個停止然後最後把他免職"},{"start":4597.945,"end":4613.258,"text":"對 那針對現在這樣子的狀況的話針對我們現在的這個接觸精密文件的權限的分級是不是需要重新的那個檢視呢各位幫我們本來就是有一套的機制啦所以現在的機制是可以是沒有問題的"},{"start":4613.999,"end":4629.429,"text":"我們現在的機制上是可以防堵的但是我要特別跟委員說明是任何的這個所有的機敏的資料我們都是第一時間作為維護的主要對象另外我們這個所有機敏資料他都有被"},{"start":4630.469,"end":4656.105,"text":"洩密的可能所以我們對於人員的教育跟訓練我們現在持續加強那我們導入政風系統裡面的相關的這些防止國安洩密事件的相關措施那目前看起來這一個效果還是非常好的是由我們政風市來做處理還是要請海巡署再能夠再加強我們的這個針對一般我們的這些會涉及到這個機敏的資料的這些人員要做更加強的一個教育訓練是謝謝好 謝委員"},{"start":4660.765,"end":4681.838,"text":"好 謝謝徐執政委員接下來我們請張宏祿委員上台質詢我請這個張副主委請副主委上台配選"},{"start":4686.947,"end":4699.474,"text":"副主委我先請問一下警政署有幾個副署長上位那我們以前海巡有幾位我們在海美主管之前是有三位"},{"start":4700.074,"end":4720.792,"text":"也是三位嘛 對不對所以這一次啊要多增加變三位其實也是回到以前而已吧是 但是跟委員報告我們在主改之前的業務跟主改之後的業務是天壤之別我們現在的業務 疊價業務比以前多太多了"},{"start":4722.063,"end":4736.102,"text":"對啊我本來就是要請教你一下你改組之後你們現在跟以前的業務多了多少重點就好了這邊跟委員報告第一個就是在國際情勢部分因為因應海域情勢的變化"},{"start":4737.223,"end":4763.877,"text":"所以我們要處理國際事務中國飛帶的洗澡然後再過來就是國安的這一個關鍵基礎設施的維護另外全英倫的這些相關的措施部分另外導入高科技設備的部分這也是我們現在新增的一個比較重要的這一塊的項目另外在聯合勤監政的部分那我們現在導入非常多的這些相關的科技設備那更需要有一位比較專業的這一個副署長來輔佐那讓這個業務"},{"start":4766.398,"end":4787.671,"text":"讓海巡的業務推動上會更加順利那你們的艦艇數有沒有增加有增加增加非常多增加多少大艦很多我們從早期的在水井時代大概只有幾艘不到10艘我們現在總數加就是那個艦艇船艇以上的有199艘對嘛 人員增加多少"},{"start":4792.718,"end":4808.106,"text":"根本委員包括我們人員增加部分現在的人員總數在這個現在大概有3000因為他人數是變動的啦所以這邊根本委員包括大概有3000出頭那我意思是說改組前改組後啦大概啦"},{"start":4808.846,"end":4835.701,"text":"我們現在在建團 跟委員報告分兩個塊就是在建團警的部分因為都是警文職的比較多那警文職的來源基本上是比較沒有問題因為他是專業受過警察大學跟警專訓練的然後另外一部分就是特考部分也進來然後我們有透過招考這些海事院校的學生進來參加我們的特考"},{"start":4836.221,"end":4865.481,"text":"那這個進來的部分倒是在艦船艇部分比較沒有問題另外一部分我們也招募一些軍職的同仁有興趣到艦上服務的給他基本訓練讓他取得船員證照他就可以上艦船艇去服務這個部分在艦船艇的部分會人事總署會隨著我們交艦的騎乘給我們必要的這個人力他是請徵人力的部分根據我們交船的騎乘會增加在艦上的倒是比較沒有問題"},{"start":4870.966,"end":4886.884,"text":"人多了很多,船艦也多了很多,業務也多了很多,這三大塊是不是都多?都多,而且多很多,有沒有以前的幾倍以上?"},{"start":4887.972,"end":4912.745,"text":"呃...我沒有實際去量化過啦但是多一倍是一定有的我覺得有欸是我覺得有欸是你光艦艇的數量就多多少了是對不對光預算我們就多一倍多我們不要講到預算啦因為你能力有多什麼那一定會多嘛我說你們的業務就是多很多啦是對不對所以業務多很多的情況下回到以前齁有三個副署長這樣子來"},{"start":4915.809,"end":4922.467,"text":"來齁來處理事情來調配其實是不是會比較好一點呃 各位報告那是一定是會比較好"},{"start":4923.702,"end":4947.13,"text":"一定比較好嘛 對不對所以啦齁我個人是認為啦齁這個增加有兩個人變成三個副組長我個人是支持啦齁不過我在這邊有一個就是說其實剛剛也說了很多的業務量增加很多但也有很多是新的業務量新的業務"},{"start":4947.93,"end":4969.049,"text":"其實現在因應整個跟以前的第一個觀念不同第二個配備也不同第三個所有的要求都不同了那我們如果多出來一個副署長他需要要不要有特別的專才或什麼的"},{"start":4971.09,"end":4984.656,"text":"跟委員包括我們的組織法裡面是軍警文兵用所以這一位進來的身份可能是警察也有可能是文職的也有可能是軍職的我沒有要你回答我這麼細我說這一個"},{"start":4988.447,"end":5004.682,"text":"就整個業務來講的話可能你應該這樣講多了一個副署長你多了一個很多可以處理的那底下我們的配置整個的組織有沒有要連動的去有一些特殊的我們其實要考量"},{"start":5006.134,"end":5032.751,"text":"對 這邊跟委員報告那在去年管組委就針對這個部分因為在組織變動上面因為其實它變化是蠻大的所以我們現在在做整個組織的盤點要不要去調整必要的組織那這個草案我們目前已經在做了那我想我們希望在今年度能夠提出來包括我們組織怎麼樣去修編要不要擴編相關的這些組織因為要因應未來的這些局勢改變其實它是有必要的"},{"start":5033.391,"end":5052.745,"text":"對啦 我的意思不一定是要擴編啦 我舉一個很簡單的啦我們現在有配合無人機配合什麼的其實以前啦 這個並不是很重要 但現在就很重要阿這個就是一個非常重要的一個單位阿像這種就要考量嘛 對不對要考量嘛好謝謝張宏祿委員 接下來請王美惠委員來做詢答"},{"start":5076.229,"end":5079.552,"text":"主席,我們這裡有副主委請張副主委吳主委好,在這裡因為今天我們就是要討論海巡署的條例來臨要給一個副署長在這個規定當中,我們看得出來我們的海巡署來臨,我們的第一算"},{"start":5105.213,"end":5108.44,"text":"這裡的經濟長久以來我相信你也有感受到那個壓力越來越大你看剛才不管是"},{"start":5117.059,"end":5126.165,"text":"整個的立委 董事會說我們最近發生的四月十六日也好 天公會也好發生很多事情 我覺得說帶到中國 帶不到機會帶到機會 它都會矮化中華民國的台灣尤其說實在 像剛才市長說的"},{"start":5141.82,"end":5146.922,"text":"我們海上救人沒分,你跟我說,也沒分代一國的但是偏偏就是有一個國的不是他第一次救的,他也說他第一次救的如果有人在海上救人的時候,常常說他第一次救的我們說實在,如果到海上救人的時候我們可以救一個海,又送一個海,沒分代一國的"},{"start":5171.869,"end":5178.575,"text":"所以在這裏面 我要向市長副主委請教一下第四月十六這個規定當中 我們這六個月的尊嚴有求開但是尊重到現在是怎樣來副主委你知道嗎"},{"start":5193.814,"end":5199.897,"text":"第一時間是我們在旁邊作業的期間我現在說你現在知道現在就是那個尊重到目前為止就失蹤因為我覺得不用說什麼人的機會不用說什麼人第一次的機會現在目前我們的尊重要失蹤了"},{"start":5219.466,"end":5223.829,"text":"看能不能救這個不然時間漸漸 畢竟我們救的錢有狂金時期所以我也希望 國際上常常講不好吃中華民國台灣的豆腐因為沒有人這樣像我們中國外外國的媒體也有講到海上長城"},{"start":5249.062,"end":5255.068,"text":"主席你有聽到這句嗎?我覺得很有趣的 海上的長城大家聽起來都覺得莫名其妙 但是海上的長城是什麼?主席你知道海上的長城的意思是什麼嗎?教育委員報告 紐約時報報過三篇"},{"start":5274.085,"end":5281.411,"text":"他的邏輯跟蘇雄差不多一樣 就是說大陸有那個領域動員4000多隻的魚族來保護他他的概念就是這樣 但是我們所有研究包括日本保護隊 因為他是在漂風"},{"start":5294.441,"end":5318.303,"text":"在這裡 那個地方本來就是大陸傳統的作業宇區包括北海道後面的二年多的堡壁有寫沖繩一本因為那個地方也有前幾屆的大陸遺傳那也是傳統大陸遺傳的那些作業的地方所以我的認為是大陸有可能性我們不能排除啦 我不能排除說有這個可能性但是這個可能性很高"},{"start":5319.804,"end":5325.845,"text":"因為我們要去用,因為他現在都用民間的錢在那裡走,他有夠好笑的他說他就是沒有一樣的氣氛,沒有一樣的季節所以他們要這麼多錢來,萬一他們錢來的時候都用民間的錢,我們都沒辦法對他怎麼樣"},{"start":5346.149,"end":5355.033,"text":"但是就是如果有一個人的錢不是民間的錢在他開始想賺錢的時候,他吃了啦所以本身是怎樣的?很多的,沒有人賺的,沒有人賺的"},{"start":5364.978,"end":5371.222,"text":"因為這次你們可以再加一個副市長因為你看 大家也沒有要戰爭 大家也沒有要受怕他不夠長久以來 你看一年一年 一個月一個月中國對台灣的壓迫啊"},{"start":5386.644,"end":5393.529,"text":"在那個海上這樣走啦在灰色地帶造成我們海巡署我們這裡的影子還要有多大"},{"start":5397.188,"end":5416.653,"text":"署長 你知道阿伯有多大嗎因為他是要保護中華民國他們還要做的工作 還有很多的遭殊 阿礙 跟韓國瑜那些人做他還要當一個界別的派出兵 天天又要來亂"},{"start":5418.837,"end":5423.161,"text":"市長,我問問,我們選一個副市長出來,不是說選一個給我選漂亮的我也知道很多,跟你剛才有分析,說他可以做什麼他可以跟第一、第二的副市長有重疊性,會做什麼?剛才我聽到你說這樣"},{"start":5443.488,"end":5453.59,"text":"我跟委員報告,我們現在三個,如果增加一個副書店來,我們的業務再重新分配,就是說不要說每一個副書店的負擔這麼大,那負擔這麼大的情形,他會越來越專業,做得越好,這是我們的目標因為剛才不知道是你說了有差,還是我聽了有差,你說可以再重提性的做好,我覺得這樣就沒差,這個第三個副書店啦"},{"start":5473.354,"end":5478.476,"text":"在這個過程 剛才本席跟你說這個選擇之下 你們也看到他的打壓 除了要說要和平啦 跟實際都不一樣要和平啦像我們中共要出國的時候 還要這樣打壓啦所以說的一套 做的一套 不能相信中國對台灣的優先啦 以上"},{"start":5501.644,"end":5509.186,"text":"好 謝謝王美惠委員的詢答接下來呢 我們有請林倩琦委員來做詢答好 謝謝我們的主席張昭偉這邊請我們台委會的這個請張副主委"},{"start":5533.055,"end":5555.531,"text":"好委員長副主委您好那麼今天早上我想我們今天是針對你們在組織法這邊有一些這個組織法的這個修改那來做詢答那早上您的報告裡面本席這邊有一個就沒有聽到本席很關注的事情所以本席要針對在去年也就上個會期針對內政委員會"},{"start":5558.293,"end":5575.789,"text":"有關於附贈航海文化力計畫的一個質詢那當時呢我們管組委有正面回應就是說他希望用一個專案來推動原住民防鼓船的造船技術以及南島文化的國際交流因為貴單位也有在不同的船體方面呢其實有一些計畫在進行"},{"start":5577.29,"end":5603.448,"text":"那本期今天要進一步確認的是你們目前的具體進度跟規劃的期程那麼依據你們在前年應該去年針對前年的這個航海文化力計畫的成本效益分析那麼政府要跟民間既有的手工造船跟這個航海文化附贈的能量透過對話的機制跟使用的調度平台來提升船隻使用效度跟整體推廣的效益"},{"start":5604.188,"end":5618.942,"text":"本席跟主委在前年也有參與部落的一些造船文化也有看到部落一個航行的展示那麼這個方向本席是認同的但是在方法上本席針對這個方向要跟你們提出來是它不應該只是一個補助的活動"},{"start":5623.446,"end":5638.882,"text":"應該像主委這樣講的系統化整合跟平台化治理來用專案來做處理喔那麼本時要請教的是這樣的整合呢目前有沒有延伸到原住民越洋仿古造船記憶還是只有停留在部落的一個零散的計畫那"},{"start":5640.503,"end":5667.119,"text":"其實那個主委這邊有跟本席做個建議就是說在造船技術的這個部分其實是可以也請經濟部這邊比較專業的這個團體專業的這個單位來一起做輔助跟推動所以第一個部分本席要確定的是那麼海委會在這個年度是不是已經正式將原住民族的仿古造船技術跟藝術納入附贈航海文化計畫的一個核心推動項目"},{"start":5667.879,"end":5683.673,"text":"那第二個部分是關於調度協調的平台本席很關心的是未來是不是會將原住民族越洋仿古船來納入管理跟運用的體系讓這些船隻不是只有展示或儀式的用途那對漢人來講好像是展示用途"},{"start":5684.622,"end":5701.047,"text":"可是對原住民來講它其實是一種生活文化更何況在現在我們作為這個海洋的這個民族那應該作為一個主體來推動整個造船技術的一個延續跟真正航海的一個南島的話語權所以是不是應該有實際的"},{"start":5702.848,"end":5728.027,"text":"跟教育的這個推廣跟國際實際的一個航行然後第三個部分是最關鍵的也就是國際航行跟文化交流的這個部分海委會有沒有一個具體的規劃的期程攀點可行的南島文化航線那麼規劃在試航或示範性的航行計畫這個都是我們未來跟太平洋島國或友邦在這裡面接觸的一個基礎更何況今年其實去年 帛琉已經來過一艘船已經引起轟動"},{"start":5730.109,"end":5751.648,"text":"那今年你們做的事情呢就是人家來了再拉到你們海委會所在的地方但事實上航行在原住民的這個區塊你們到底是怎麼樣來做的那最重要的是我們的船什麼時候可以航行南島我們的仿古船我們的原住民族的南島語族的船"},{"start":5752.288,"end":5775.229,"text":"什麼時候可以從台灣航行出去因為你們一直說台灣是南島語族的發源地但是現在我們的主體地位已經被其他的國家開始用航行快要取代了請問海委會的成立跟你們未來希望有多一位主委的這樣一個組織的這個改造那請問你們在這裡面在這件事情上是怎麼進行的實際的期程"},{"start":5776.11,"end":5798.562,"text":"跟投入的一個規劃方向跟委員報告我這邊要特別跟委員報告我們管主委曾經擔任過文化局長所以他對於文化文物包括歷史你本身也擔任過文化局長吧所以同質性所以我想委員清楚管主委對於文化保存他是非常非常的重視"},{"start":5798.882,"end":5816.972,"text":"但是重點是不是只有保存本人本席基本上也是個損手所以我們不能只是你們不要用漢人的觀點一直看我們來做展示所以我的重點是它是我們文化很重要的一個主體我們不是讓這個文化死在博物館裡面所以我們會從那個這個"},{"start":5820.814,"end":5845.141,"text":"也鼓勵我們各個部會啦不是只有海委會自己在做不是我們自己在做 我們也包括我們是海委會耶你們的成立對台灣的整個海洋各類的事務是應該有一個主導的地位是 所以我們海委會本來就有一個海洋委員會本席重要的在本席的幾個問題是請問你們有沒有把它放進核心的一個推動計畫裡面第二個 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那本席這邊要對這個海巡人員的權益跟警察人事條例的這個執行的一個爭議來做一個跟您做一個詢答那我們剛才前面講的是海洋文化的政策推動那接下來是人員的保障你要讓大家安定那我們在整個事務的推動才會比較平順所以行政院來暫緩呢執行所引發的對這個退休海巡人員的影響行政院因為執行暫緩目前有的這個爭議"},{"start":5944.987,"end":5967.468,"text":"影響了我們退休海巡的人員那目前行政院的說法說考量憲政爭議已經申請釋憲但是在半年內會提出整體修正的方案但是另外一方面退休海巡的這個團體仍然有一些意見但為法律已經三讀通過還沒有落實會影響制度的一個信賴所以本席這邊有三個重點要跟您這邊來做個討論"},{"start":5968.829,"end":5993.994,"text":"海巡人員也是這樣一個體系所以海委會對於退休保障調整的基本立場是如何那有沒有支持在合理的範圍內提升退休保障要讓第一線的人員有明確的一個預期第二個部分是行政院暫緩執行三讀通過的法律這段期間海委會有沒有評估對海巡人員的士氣及流財還有未來招募的影響是如何"},{"start":5994.594,"end":6019.418,"text":"第三面對目前草野的僵局那主委是不是應該協助行政院來盡快跟立法院來進行實質的一個協調跟推動提出針對你們會內的一個可行的方案那本席不想看到退休的權益長期懸而未決那本席在這邊呼籲可不可以以海巡弟兄的退休生活為面然後來做積極的爭取那副主委您的看法"},{"start":6021.913,"end":6039.674,"text":"我們的立場跟行政的立場是一致的昨天院長在立法院議員會裡面有特別承諾在六個月內會提出妥適的相關的規劃來培養來執行我想在行政的立場上面他一定會用最好的方式來照顧我們所有不管是任何身分別的退休人員的生活"},{"start":6040.936,"end":6052.487,"text":"好 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我們一定是國見國照 那盡量國記國照 這特別跟委員報告好 謝謝好 謝謝李博義委員的詢答 接下來請蘇巧惠蘇巧惠蘇巧惠委員不在 范雲委員來做詢答"},{"start":6572.212,"end":6594.284,"text":"謝謝昭偉,有請我們的副主委請張副主委委員好署長,今天我想我們的修法主要就是希望強化我們的海上遇到的挑戰我想在你們的修法原理有看到海巡署肩負的是三安"},{"start":6595.605,"end":6624.554,"text":"國安治安及平安三大任務所以除了持續強化我們的海域兼征跟巡弋之外還結合就是各種雷達等密切監控大陸的公務與民兵船動態防範灰色地帶的行動影響我們的國安跟海域秩序那我想先請問副主委你覺得這個國安治安平安物項我們都非常的認同那現在面臨到最大的挑戰是什麼"},{"start":6625.294,"end":6651.024,"text":"所以我們需要增加就是重要的人力 人手這邊跟委員報告其實這三項對海巡署來講都是重要的但是我們唯一最在意的是一定是把國安擺在最前面因為只有國家安全 人民的權利跟人民生活才能確實獲得保障所以在這個部分我們在特別政經條例裡面也非常感謝我們"},{"start":6651.984,"end":6666.503,"text":"立法院的各位的支持所以我們在特別徵信條例裡面我們有增加非常多的相關的科技設備 偵監設備還有包括艦船艇 包括無人載具部分那這個部分都是全部圍繞著在國安 治安跟平安的這三個要項裡面"},{"start":6668.713,"end":6682.759,"text":"那我想因為國人可能有些人並不完全清楚那感謝您剛剛的說明那我們辦公室也是整理的確是光我們看到的新聞就可以看到2026年第一季海面的騷擾爭獲共建級公務船"},{"start":6687.602,"end":6702.143,"text":"215艘那這部分就是譬如說金門的禁止的水域還有中國四海警船闖關那我們的海巡人員還必須要強制驅離那其他的國軍的部分就更多了那海面的騷擾"},{"start":6703.164,"end":6710.436,"text":"我們可以看到蔡總統執政時期共建繞台是4201次賴總統執政時期才剛開始今年進入第三年"},{"start":6718.368,"end":6737.038,"text":"共建繞台算起來就4793次這個部分以我來看真的是假惠台真清台更嚴重的是基礎設施遭受破壞最近台南的地院還在處理有中華電信的海底電纜"},{"start":6738.759,"end":6763.622,"text":"在將軍漁港附近就是發生斷裂那後來抓到一位王姓船長他刻意在海纜線上方做Z字型的移動而且釋放毛爪勾斷海纜線那現在已經這位王姓船長已經在監執行但是拒絕出庭做任何的說明他宣稱他沒有蓄意破壞那我想請問你的是"},{"start":6764.042,"end":6776.225,"text":"那這一類的就是海纜的設施你們增加人力是不是有助於處理這種高頻率全天候的一種等於是我們在跟想破壞人在做消耗戰"},{"start":6777.661,"end":6796.4,"text":"跟委員報告,我剛剛特別提到特別任性的很多證監設備就是提高獄警的眾生我們現在監控的有關中資權娛輪部分就是他有可能到台灣周邊水域作為從事破壞海嵐的動作的這些船舶我們現在監控總共有153艘"},{"start":6797.941,"end":6815.403,"text":"那我們全程監控他只要靠近我們的境縣制水域另外部分只要靠近海岸區域那這個部分除了中央電信本身會告警外那我們的在雷達的呈現上面就也會呈現然後我們會第一時間去那個結合航港局結合我們的這一個"},{"start":6816.725,"end":6837.444,"text":"在航的巡航艦艇還有雷達去做全面監控在第一時間就可以處理在它還沒發生之前我們就全程掌控然後去做相關必要的措施謝謝副主委的說明我想這個對民眾的通訊安全非常的重要以我剛剛舉例這位福建的王姓船長"},{"start":6838.305,"end":6864.847,"text":"他的這件事情就破壞了本島跟澎湖之間的通信所以你可以看到台灣對外連線狀況我們辦公室整理的資料有17個電纜然後目前只有11個是正常有6條就被影響所以真的是影響非常的大就通訊安全那我也想請問海委會啊如何看待所謂的會台措施中"},{"start":6865.888,"end":6892.506,"text":"中國拋出的完善漁業准入管理他說要研究讓台灣遠洋漁船靠駁大陸碼頭提供銷售便利那海委會有沒有討論過你們的立場是什麼可以跟大家說明嗎這個那個陸委會跟漁業署都有曾經報過言論但是這個陸委會的聲明裡面有特別提到這是這一個這一個是舊的這一個"},{"start":6896.168,"end":6912.246,"text":"舊的措施再重新拿回來就是曾經提出過的惠台措施被我們拒絕了但是這些措施主要的它還是圍繞在認知作戰跟統戰的這個部分我想這國人大家都很聰明都有能力跟辨識中國大陸對台灣的認知作戰包括相關的這些措施"},{"start":6918.335,"end":6942.351,"text":"所以您也認為這是認知作戰這是一個統戰的措施這樣沒有錯吧所以那您如何看待就是從海委會的角度這個和平之旅到底帶來的會是和平還是防衛意志的鬆懈當你們正要強化海上的國安然後治安跟平安的時候卻有人宣稱剛剛那樣的會台措施會帶來和平"},{"start":6946.123,"end":6972.884,"text":"跟委員報告賴總統曾經講過和平靠實力我們不能依賴別人的善利來增加我們自己的安全這是非常重要的部分所以我要呼籲國人就是只有國家安全只有實力你才能夠保證國家自己的安全這是要特別跟委員報告好 謝謝那我們面對敵方的消耗戰支持你們的修法那我們一起加油拒絕躺平謝謝是 好 謝謝委員"},{"start":6976.762,"end":6981.467,"text":"好 謝謝范雲委員 接下來請黃婕委員來做詢答好 謝謝主席 我們請副主委有請張副主委委員好"},{"start":6997.728,"end":7026.675,"text":"好副主委好首先這個增加海巡署的第三位副署長我是非常非常支持的那上個禮拜我也到海委會去考察其實就知道說現在興建廳舍的部分也是如火如荼的正在進行嘛那其實這個組織相關的改造也要跟著跟上因為當下我也了解到說其實現在我們海委會的業務非常非常多而且未來海巡署的業務只會越來越重副主委認同嗎"},{"start":7027.651,"end":7054.341,"text":"是的 會越來越多 越來越重對 我在這邊要講一下因為其實最近中國這幾年對台灣發起的這些灰色地帶的作戰是非常的頻繁包括說這些三無船 民兵船 海警船 科研船各式各樣的名目來侵擾我國的海域甚至是透過這個權宜輪來下矛割斷我國的海濫這些其實 這些例子 案例也都越來越多"},{"start":7054.941,"end":7083.746,"text":"所以我也認為增加第三位副署長是非常非常有必要的那我要在這邊請教副主委的是增加第三位的這個副署長你們已經有決定好他的業務執掌的內容是什麼了嗎跟委員報告這個如果今天順利這個法案能夠出委員會然後順利通過的話我們對於未來的副署長規劃我們是有一定的規劃的也就是根據他的專長任務分工來做分工"},{"start":7084.998,"end":7100.826,"text":"所以會是國安相關的業務包括說應對這些灰色地帶的侵擾還是說他會有一些什麼樣的職長的內容可不可以先跟大家報告一下我們會根據這位副署長的專長來做分配好那現在心中是有人選了嗎"},{"start":7106.441,"end":7133.128,"text":"因為這是主委的權責不是所以我們管媽管主委目前是有這樣子的規劃了嗎如果有的話也希望可以盡早讓大家知道因為我也覺得說其實像副主委自己也是兼具專業我也希望說接下來的這一位如果他自己就是海巡相關的專業是從基層上來的或許也很好那也讓大家知道說現在海巡的業務真的就是肩負國安"},{"start":7134.288,"end":7159.434,"text":"這個是非常非常重要的好這個就拜託副署長希望這樣子的進度可以加快組織法趕快修過選區也不要太久趕快讓這個新任的這個副署長可以趕快上任來協助大家那再來我要請教一下這個海巡人員的國安的案件因為其實從2023年到就是2022也有就是有很有幾位的在海巡署任職的"},{"start":7160.074,"end":7176.361,"text":"的人員都有洩密給中國的案件包括說因為欠債所以把一些秘密的文件就洩露給中國換取酬勞那也有2022年因為這個交付國安的機密資料而獲利的"},{"start":7176.801,"end":7198.059,"text":"那甚至是我們這個南區的機動隊也有一位因為他投資失利然後要還債所以透過網路跟地下錢莊借錢然後後來還不出來就被中國的勤制單位吸收這樣子的案例其實蠻多位的那林林總總其實看起來就是他們都有經濟上面的需求"},{"start":7198.84,"end":7228.127,"text":"他們因為欠債然後或者是家裡的狀況加進所以常常會因為這個經濟的壓力導致他們被迫被這個中共的國安單位吸收了然後變成他們是違反很嚴重的這個泄密罪那我在這邊想要請教因為其實我有看國防部也因為他們這樣子的情境呢他們有開辦了一個國軍的官兵急難貸款就是說我們自己的同仁"},{"start":7228.707,"end":7246,"text":"大家有急難上面的需求有這個貸款的需求那我們希望就是官方的力量也可以給予他們生活上的救濟讓他們不會因為這個經濟上面的困難然後變成說他好像變成一個國安的破口這件事情非常非常的嚴重"},{"start":7248.229,"end":7271.188,"text":"國防部事實上是有辦一個國軍軍官檢案的貸款但是他是用國防部裡面自己的作業基金來成立然後委託一家銀行來做那基金的規模是兩億但是我們因為我們海巡署沒有編列相關的預算但是我們有做一個特別的就是說我們去分析所有的銀行他的貸款"},{"start":7272.009,"end":7295.271,"text":"就是那個消費性貸款的利率然後提供給同仁做參考另外一個在我們人事室的員工協助方案裡面也有提供相關的法律協助那我們現在的政翁的體系裡面也有針對這些高風險的這個有可能是發生會類似這樣的財務發生風險的人我們有列管我們現在總共有列管有一百多位的同仁那我們會固定去"},{"start":7295.851,"end":7310.559,"text":"去訪視然後去了解他的財務狀況然後提供給他必要協助另外我們也有成立這個所謂的律師的服務團隊然後提供給同仁相關的法律協助我想這個部分對於這一個同仁的幫助是非常實際上是非常有幫助的"},{"start":7310.759,"end":7334.096,"text":"好謝謝我這邊就是想強調說其實國防部有那我們海委會其實也可以有類似的做法那當然危及國安就是不對出賣國家就是不對但是如果他們是因為這些生計上面有問題因為經濟壓力那如果我們可以協助就盡量多協助啊不需要讓他們去冒這個風險去鋌而走險然後出賣國家的方式只為了自己的生計是"},{"start":7335.157,"end":7360.257,"text":"好 所以如果我說這個貸款的專案你們可以的話你們可以想辦法編列相關的預算希望說這個送進來我們大家都會支持的好 最後只有幾秒鐘我要講一下說因為我們這個人權碰壁規則這個其實我們主席莊惠雄交委也是都有在關心那我們當時的結論是說要由海委會來訂定這個淨河海域的管理指引"},{"start":7360.757,"end":7370.278,"text":"那想問一下這個進度現在到哪裡了因為其實這個相關的潛水的玩家然後這一些民眾都非常的關心"},{"start":7371.788,"end":7397.66,"text":"這個指引已經訂定了然後我們現在第一個開始在做的是小六九部分那用小六九的經驗來做那現在在這個北部的部分我想這個問題已經解決了那還會第一個時間介入來做處理那我想在台北的這個部分已經這個北部已經處理完然後我們會根據這個相關的這個實作的案例跟經驗來全面的去推展"},{"start":7398.203,"end":7412.593,"text":"好 那是不是也請你們把這個管理指引提供給我們參考是 好 謝謝好 謝謝黃姐委員等一下麻煩黃姐委員來代理一下現在有請張雅玲委員來做詢答好 謝謝 那我們有請副主委好 有請張副主委"},{"start":7431.055,"end":7455.608,"text":"委員好副組委我想就是說這次在組織法修法的目的非常的清楚就是希望因為我們有越來越多的灰色地帶的侵擾所以希望增設一個副署長來讓海巡署可以承擔更多更複雜更多元的任務那其實上禮拜我國籍的這個基隆籍的全漁六號漁船當時失火沉沒之後船上的六名船員其實是由我國籍的"},{"start":7456.128,"end":7477.955,"text":"全魚36號救起來並且有海巡署來接捕我想就是說其實我們現在也持續的跟日方來進行聯合搜救我們也希望船長能夠平安不過我想要講一個重點是說中國海警卻刻意對外宣稱這是中國台灣級漁船進行救助明顯就是在吃我們豆腐但是我也非常"},{"start":7478.795,"end":7501.61,"text":"高興看到我們的海巡署有第一時間就作出澄清那也希望未來這種事情一定會越來越多那海巡署一定要保持一個積極的態度來捍衛我們國家的尊嚴好嗎?這可以嗎?各位沒有問題 我們一向都是這樣做好的 謝謝那接下來就是進入到我今天想要討論的重點就是說今天是世界地球日我想主委知道嗎?"},{"start":7503.41,"end":7520.163,"text":"那我想就是說我們在講世界地球日的時候不是只有講什麼節能減碳愛地球還有更多的其實是如何理解自然以及如何跟大自然環境共存那其實對台灣來說我們在講的一個很重要的重點就是海洋教育"},{"start":7520.783,"end":7549.429,"text":"但是我在看我們在2002年開始談海洋立國之後到現在我們在理念上面是非常非常清楚的但是我覺得到底要如何成為一個完整的教育體系這個落實上面看起來是有一些問題的就是說我們現在目前的狀況是教育部有海洋教育執行計畫海委會有海保署國海院推動海域教育推廣跟種子教師等等的看起來非常多元但是"},{"start":7550.7,"end":7571.022,"text":"我們怎麼去確保這些單位大家做的東西關於海洋素養的定義是一樣的那這兩者之間人才如何銜接也是一個看不太出來的也看不到這個路徑那我們自己參考一下日本它也是一個市面環海的國家它在2007年也制定了海洋基本法"},{"start":7571.562,"end":7597.919,"text":"那他也非常明確的在目的上面有講到三個重點第一個就是要提升國民對海洋的理解與認同第二個就是培養海洋相關人才第三個就是建立人與海共生的永續觀可是我們自己在看海洋基本法第11條它反而是聚焦在國民基本教育與公務人員培訓那我們的核心目標到底是什麼我們到底要達成什麼所以我想要問一下副主委就是說"},{"start":7599.22,"end":7626.386,"text":"我們現在相對於日本我們是缺乏一個整體的戰略架構所以我們是不是可以在這個架構裡面扮演一個更積極的角色來整合我們跨部會那是不是可以比照日本明確提出一個清楚的海洋教育目標還有這個跨部會的協調機制讓我們的教育跟產業還有國家的方向都可以真正的串聯起來這個是不是可以"},{"start":7628.516,"end":7644.656,"text":"我認同委員的看法跟做法其實我們台灣是海洋立國的國家海洋對我們來講就是我們的母親一樣我要特別跟委員報告就是海委會自從成立以後"},{"start":7645.177,"end":7663.005,"text":"那在海洋推廣上面它是不遺餘力的那甚至於它有這一個成立委員會然後有19個委員我都沒有問題啊這些我都同意啊但我看得出來大家都非常努力但是我現在看的問題是在於說我們的目標到底是什麼因為我們必須要一個非常清晰的目標才可以去確認每個人都是往我們的目標在前進嘛"},{"start":7663.905,"end":7692.753,"text":"所以這個是我想要請副主委回去研議的是不是我們可以有個更積極的角色來整合跨部會然後還有一個這個跨部會的協調機制這部分是可以的嗎跟委員報可以的我們目前是透過委員的方式然後固定委員開會然後也納入了六個部會包括還有七個部會的相關的那個次長部分來做相關的這個推動所以這部分接下來就是下一個問題其實也是就是我們在看到"},{"start":7693.453,"end":7710.846,"text":"整個白皮書我們寫了白皮書但是到底要怎麼落實從這個白皮書上面我們還是看不太出來跟各個委員會之間的界定工作任務又是什麼其實坦白說跟其他的單位的政策白皮書我們非常可以明確的看到就是說在"},{"start":7712.167,"end":7731.395,"text":"這個環境的部分呢他從策略上面到政策方案都有清楚的說明然後或者是說我們在這個觀光的部分呢他也有跟跨部會要配合哪些事項他也寫得非常清楚那目標也都非常的明確可是我們現在這個海洋政策白皮書花了400萬在這些東西其實我看不出來部會各自的分工到底是什麼"},{"start":7732.489,"end":7759.367,"text":"那這個部會分工到底是什麼不清楚目標也不明確的時候就會變成是說大家各做各的但是不曉得目標是不是一致的有沒有重複資源浪費的問題所以我想要請教就是說這個副主委就是說我們是不是可以具體的來跟跨部會做一個更細緻的計畫方案說明以及大家遇到的問題到底是什麼然後各自的KPI又是什麼這是不是可以在半年內完成初步的規劃"},{"start":7760.766,"end":7781.668,"text":"跟委員報告 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有人力的缺口它不是單純只有高層副署長的缺口而是有整個的人力缺口比如說我在這邊看到的就是包含審計部 審計部他也提出來在去年就提出來說我們海巡近六成的艦艇人力都沒有達到配置的基準"},{"start":8663.726,"end":8692.878,"text":"所以這當然對於我們的海巡同仁來講其實讓他們其實會有一個他們的任務過重的問題就是近九成的艦艇人力沒有達到配置的基準那另外呢也根據我們立法院的預算中心他們的資料也就是我們近年海巡人力缺額的情形一直長期都存在而且呢實際的員額一直都逐年的遞減"},{"start":8694.438,"end":8711.962,"text":"實際的員額都比前一年還要少那可以說從109年開始除了看到113年112年是增加兩人之外每一年都在減少中所以我們現在其實我們的預算員額跟我們的實際的員額這個缺額是高達1300多人高達1300多人所以我想請問一下我們署長"},{"start":8722.904,"end":8739.658,"text":"也就是在海巡的部分我們同意曾社副署長在這個業務督導的上面能夠補足人力缺口但是我們基層的海巡人員的人力缺口現在要怎麼樣能夠讓它縮小要短期間補足我看都非常非常的困難"},{"start":8741.631,"end":8767.82,"text":"這邊跟委員報告 這要分兩塊來做兩個要說明 第一個部分就是在艦船艇的部分 另外一部分是岸際的軍職人力部分那在艦船艇的部分要特別跟委員說明我們每一艘船出去都要符合航港的相關規範也就是你這艘船最基本要配置誰要船長大副 輪機長這些而且船員 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還有你們招募人員以及還有來自於國防部的現役軍人他們的轉到我們的海巡署"},{"start":8918.909,"end":8934.666,"text":"你說所以現在人力的補充的部分現在已經獲得解決了嗎我們是逐年增加啦但是沒有因為他缺額原來是缺額一千多塊降到九寶頭現在降到七百塊所以我們希望的是不是只有這個高層的人力要補足"},{"start":8935.327,"end":8948.431,"text":"基層的人力要補助再請教一個問題也就是說我們在任性特別預算的部分那麼海巡署準備要買451架無人機當然我覺得現在全世界包含因為你們的這個業務非常繁重"},{"start":8957.173,"end":8986.289,"text":"不管是偷渡啦走私啦或者是有這個抽砂船等等那我想請問一下現在我們的海巡署有關於就是零有這個無人機操作證照的人員的配置目前有沒有問題因為當然我們買了這個無人機我們希望也要有相當的人力能夠去做操作不要變成說有機無人雖然它是無人機但是它仍然要有人操作"},{"start":8987.357,"end":9010.953,"text":"跟委員報告 我們現在零六鎮罩的人員有將近700個人這是我們自訓的部分喔那另外我們每一採購每一款的無人機它上面就有規範就是你要幫我訓練多少個飛手加進來那這些試管的無人機加進來有將近2000個飛手那加進來我們自訓另外一部分跟委員報告我們現在自己 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本案是否需要交黨團協商不用那本案就不交黨團協商"},{"start":9358.525,"end":9382.911,"text":"這個第三這個我們院會討論的時候就由這個莊昭級委員瑞雄出席說明條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語我們授權主席跟這個議事人員整理好那這個我們本次會議議程所列事項均已處理完畢到這邊結束那我們現在就宣布散會謝謝大家謝謝各位謝謝主席"},{"start":9386.281,"end":9386.301,"text":"謝謝…感謝…"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}