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娛樂獸待證人應於待證時發給娛樂票作為憑證並與娛樂人持用入場時施斷否則已不為待證論處但依第九條第一項單書規定查訂客證者等免用娛樂票潛艇娛樂票應由主管急症機關核驗後使用但臨時舉辦之娛樂活動售票者應由負責人與舉辦前將票編號標明價格申請主管"},{"start":8052.648,"end":8080.731,"text":"主管集中機關驗印並辦妥納稅保證手續如期報找待徵稅款宣傳閉照審查會條文通過第十三條維持現行條文請宣讀第十七條第十七條遇到稅徵收息者由直轄市及縣市政府依本法訂定報財政部非查宣傳閉照審查會條文通過報院會全案已經經過二讀三個黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀經過二讀這條文"},{"start":8083.373,"end":8102.474,"text":"第二條娛樂稅就效率娛樂場所娛樂設施或娛樂活動所收票價或收費而徵收之一五庭或五場二高爾夫球場三其他經財政部公告所提供娛樂場所娛樂設施或娛樂活動供人娛樂者其三各種娛樂場所娛樂設施或娛樂活動不收票券另以其他飲料品或娛樂設施供應娛樂人者"},{"start":8104.136,"end":8122.559,"text":"按其收費而課徵娛樂稅直銷市及縣市政府的市產業發展政策需要及財政狀況提升第一項各款規定課稅項目之娛樂稅提經當地民營機關通過報財政部報查其停徵應定名實施期限並以達成合理之政策目的為限"},{"start":8125.663,"end":8143.285,"text":"第五條娛樂稅照所收票價或收費額以下列稅率計正之一五庭或五場最高不得超過百分之五十二高爾夫球場最高不得超過百分之二十三其他經財政部公告書提供娛樂場所娛樂設施或娛樂活動工人娛樂者最高不得超過百分之二十五"},{"start":8146.363,"end":8155.615,"text":"第六條直銷市及縣市政府得視地方實際情形在前頭規定稅率範圍內分別規定旅客稅徵收率提經當地民意機關通過報財政部被查"},{"start":8158.328,"end":8182.055,"text":"第十條 娛樂稅代徵人應於代徵時發給娛樂票作為憑證並與娛樂人使用入場時施斷否則已不為代徵論處但依第九條第一項單數規定查定客徵者等免用娛樂票請向娛樂票由主管基金機關核驗或使用但與臨時舉辦之娛樂活動售票者應由負責人於舉辦前將票編號標明價格申請主管基金機關驗印並辦妥納稅保證手續如期報繳代徵稅款"},{"start":8189.349,"end":8208.628,"text":"第十七條 娛樂稅徵收細則由直轄市及縣市政府依本法訂定 報財政部被查 宣讀完畢參議會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢 請問議員會有文字修正沒有文字修正 我們現在來做以下決議娛樂稅法第二條 第五條 第六條 第十條及第十七條條文修正通過"},{"start":8210.629,"end":8219.008,"text":"我們現在進行本案完成立法程序後的委員登記發言並截止發言登記首先請林楚英委員發言 劉書斌委員請準備"},{"start":8230.722,"end":8247.709,"text":"謝謝主席以及我們在場的立法院同仁本席非常開心就是今天在立法院通過了前面兩項討論案第一個當然就是我們朝野一致達成共識就是對於中共阻撓我們的賴清德總統出訪這樣的行為與譴責雖然說這是由"},{"start":8250.39,"end":8274.732,"text":"民進黨團所提案但是剛剛我們看到的不論是國民黨團或是民眾黨團也都一致沒有發表任何異議同樣的現在有關於娛樂稅法的三讀通過其實本席也非常開心那是因為本席在上一屆財政委員會的時候就針對娛樂稅法來提出修正只可惜屆期不連續而今天此時此刻的三讀代表了就是一個"},{"start":8275.493,"end":8291.141,"text":"新的里程碑把一個過去84年前的舊制度讓它走進歷史未來在修法之後我們看電影看表演聽音樂會看球賽正式免科娛樂稅這個完全是符合現在"},{"start":8291.621,"end":8308.874,"text":"全民的一個方向以及需求而這也代表著我們用舊時代的觀念把它拋棄人民日常文化與運動再不是所謂的奢侈行為沒有必要多科娛樂稅而另外這一部法律也保留了把舞廳"},{"start":8309.995,"end":8327.775,"text":"武場高爾夫球及其他沒有公告的娛樂事項由地方政府來依法課收稅收兼顧了制度以及地方財政的需求所以這有三個意義第一是完成稅制合理化第二是支持"},{"start":8328.756,"end":8352.407,"text":"體育與文化發展第三當然最重要的也就是減輕人民負擔今天的修法我也期望是一個好的發展未來只要是維護國家尊嚴守護人民利益保障人民福祉都可以達到朝野黨團達成共識我也相信今天兩個討論的提案就是立法院最好的證明謝謝"},{"start":8354.287,"end":8357.992,"text":"謝謝林祖英委員的發言接下來我們請劉書斌委員發言黃婕委員請準備"},{"start":8379.917,"end":8403.018,"text":"謝謝主席 各位同仁 全體國民今天我們在立法院共同見證的娛樂稅法自民國31年制定以來最具時代意義的一項變革象徵著從管制思維走向鼓勵參與邁向文化 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謝謝部長您的說明所以美國到現在也還沒有完成MOU內部程序那麼請問ART的內部程序美國也完成了嗎"},{"start":20813.163,"end":20830.51,"text":"因為他的法律依據是IPAIPA因為最高的法院說已經超出總統的職權所以他現在在重建他的法律依據我們雙方也持續的保持聯絡希望原來談好的結果可以鞏固住"},{"start":20831.138,"end":20848.67,"text":"所以也就是說現在因為美國最高法院宣告這個對等關稅是違憲的所以讓ART和MOU的這兩份協議到目前為止就等於說它的進度是就延宕了甚至可能未來就停擺也可能不會現在繼續這個協定可能也不會再生效是嗎"},{"start":20853.693,"end":20881.835,"text":"目前來講的話就是大家還是同意說那個結果談定了以後就不要變但是那個法律中間的這個法律重建可能要一點時間好那麼簡單來說就是說現在美國方面他們也還沒有正式的完成所有MOU跟ART的相關的這個核定的程序那當然台灣這邊的話想當然你們也不會把這個ART和MOU送到立法院來進行審查對吧"},{"start":20882.475,"end":20904.378,"text":"因為確定以後就會送立法院未來你們可能會重新展開新的談判嗎未來就是說這件事情接下來如果說是他沒有通過會有沒有可能把這個ART然後重新又拿出來裡面的事情重新再拿來談判還是會基本上已經談好了那個結果是雙方都已經同意的所以現在是在"},{"start":20904.858,"end":20920.152,"text":"法律的這個部分的基礎重建的工作不是在解剖的部分好不過就是我想大家國人都很關切就是說因為裡面其實有蠻多的內容是很不合理的所以我們也希望假設之後有機會重新談判的話希望我們經濟部我們農業部還是要能夠"},{"start":20920.652,"end":20936.31,"text":"坚守台湾的这个立场我们的经济的利益还有我们国民健康的安全的一些立场那最后对于工部长这边我还有一个附带的提醒就是因为你们其实一直没有提出很清楚的产业冲击影响评估报告"},{"start":20936.71,"end":20964.969,"text":"在行政院的官網上面其實寫的都非常非常的簡略完全沒有重點也不夠深入那我想國人其實是非常關心台灣跟其他國家尤其跟美國的這個對等關稅貿易協定裡面它可能會對於台灣產業帶來什麼衝擊所以本席希望就是說兩個部會回去之後是不是能夠儘速把可能對於農業或對其他經濟產業的衝擊然後能夠把相關資料補齊然後寫得更深入的報告可以嗎"},{"start":20965.982,"end":20985.692,"text":"八號委員因為我們當初的設想是說那等到雙方談定以後我們要送到大院那個就會完整的資料都提供給大院但是因為這個時程上有一點點拖了所以你們現在就暫時也不會補嗎那接下來本時要請教的是陳部長因為農業部最近搞出了發芽馬鈴薯之亂讓國人赫然驚覺說原來台美貿易"},{"start":20990.294,"end":21010.88,"text":"談判當中民進黨政府竟然出賣了國人的食安健康然後也棄守了農產品的檢疫防線而令人非常的氣憤那關於馬鈴薯發芽馬鈴薯的這個事情要怎麼樣去檢驗因為已經有很多討論所以本席在這裡也不會再細談可是本席不得不說這整個行政體系對於發芽馬鈴薯的事情的處理"},{"start":21011.34,"end":21012.101,"text":"我特別跟委員說明一下"},{"start":21030.737,"end":21052.279,"text":"馬鈴薯是要怎麼檢驗?沒關係部長我不會再追究這件事情但是本心想要問的就是說當初修改發芽馬鈴薯檢疫標準這件事情你們當時有公告社會大眾有讓農業界知道這件事情嗎?我們在任何的法規的公告一定有預告在經過公告的一個程序謝謝你們當時預告的時候是幾天?"},{"start":21054.212,"end":21082.218,"text":"我這個可能要查一下我們一定有一個預告的程序在公告那看起來部長您不清楚因為我去查了你們第一次當時說要修改這個檢驗標準的時間說預告時間是60天但是呢才預告公告才剛出去沒幾天立刻就撤回改成只有預告14天所以你們知道嗎你們這份檢驗標準的這個規定的預告修正程序只有14天"},{"start":21083.755,"end":21110.874,"text":"我想整個預告最長是60天最短可以到7天好 那你們的理由是說因為這個加牙因為這個規定的修正不會影響到農業生產環境也對於民眾的權益沒有實質的影響所以整個預告時間縮短為14天但是會對於民眾的健康沒有影響嗎是絕對沒有影響 我要跟你們報告所有的巴牙"},{"start":21111.434,"end":21123.005,"text":"不會對我們國人的一個食安照的影響我們對於檢疫跟檢驗是沒有任何改變的如果說我們未來立法院我們認為說現在這樣的檢驗標準太低我們要恢復之前的門檻我們修法"},{"start":21130.414,"end":21144.462,"text":"農業部會照辦嗎我跟委員報告牙體的檢查全世界只有我們台灣在做這件事情所以其他的國家都沒有針對牙體做檢查農業部會不會照辦"},{"start":21145.7,"end":21164.585,"text":"我要跟委員講我們在做檢疫一定是雙邊在做談判然後相對的本身一定要符合國際規範我們一定是符合國際規範其實不只是馬鈴薯事件未來還會有其他的未爆彈為什麼因為依據我們ARTD3.3條農業的這個專章第二項的規定裡面就講"},{"start":21169.286,"end":21176.239,"text":"台湾未来对美国是要移除所有会破坏互惠的不合理的食品安全检验与动植物的防疫"},{"start":21177.427,"end":21200.142,"text":"檢疫的障礙說的白話一點就只要是美國人不滿意的動植物的防疫管檢疫管制措施我覺得委員對這個條文解讀是錯誤的所有的檢疫的單位都是雙邊進行會上簡單來說就是凡是美國人不滿意的動植物防疫檢疫管制措施台灣就要破了除後修正我覺得你這樣解讀是錯誤的"},{"start":21204.285,"end":21230.714,"text":"我現在要講的是說接下來依照現在ART裡面的規定我們可能未來會對於像是美國禽流感疫區的進口管制會大幅鬆綁現在的進口管制的規定是如何對於來自於美國禽流感疫區的這些所有的禽流感的限定範圍都是跟他的"},{"start":21260.742,"end":21260.762,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":21274.661,"end":21276.403,"text":"好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝謝謝翁曉琳委員的質詢謝謝農業部經濟部長備詢 謝謝"},{"start":21289.824,"end":21298.409,"text":"我們接下來委員質詢之後將會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後再請鍾嘉斌委員準備質詢接下來我們請陳樹岳委員請質詢"},{"start":21318.706,"end":21323.868,"text":"謝謝主席 請主席邀請卓院長還有經濟部公務長再請卓院長、經濟部長備詢卓院長還有公務長吳安"},{"start":21344.446,"end":21355.389,"text":"首先要請教一下我們知道美伊戰爭爆發之後就是荷姆斯海峽遭封鎖所以導致中東石油產地石油運輸發生了問題也造成國際能源價格飆漲"},{"start":21361.671,"end":21384.962,"text":"尤其就是說在海峽遭封鎖之後石油的供應也造成了很大的一個危機也造成了石化原料的一個短缺所以這樣子的一個狀況當然對我們整個國家的民生經濟造成很大的衝擊我們看到行政院目前就是針對為了要穩定物價防止通貨膨脹所以我們也有幾項的"},{"start":21386.042,"end":21390.225,"text":"重大的措施包括針對運輸的票價動漲還有國內的油價目前動漲還有補貼計程車的車資還有一些措施我現在想請教一下"},{"start":21407.797,"end":21418.648,"text":"對於針對中小企業的一個衝擊目前我們行政院或者經濟部這邊有沒有去掌握到對中小企業有造成什麼嚴重的衝擊"},{"start":21420.472,"end":21437.504,"text":"好跟委員報告原則性的問題第一個行政院從2月底開始就成立了這個因應中東情勢衝突的民生安定專案的小組的會議每個禮拜都會開會每個禮拜三還有物價穩定小組那禮拜五我們還要最後聽這個"},{"start":21440.386,"end":21467.079,"text":"核算下一周油價是否要做如何的調適這個是固定的那這樣做就是要讓整個產業第一個物價能夠穩定民生能夠安定那當中我們也知道包括塑膠袋一些醫療的這個醫材還有農業的包材等等在原料的源頭比較欠缺的時候我們也啟動了釋清它的整個源頭的原料的生產"},{"start":21467.799,"end":21482.371,"text":"那也把它放生產之後交給下游中下游去做製品那現在已經有5000噸的這個原料能夠產生出12.5億個塑膠袋這個是對民生的部分對於產業我想從大眾運輸企業運輸企業剛剛委員提到了我們從計程車"},{"start":21487.995,"end":21513.917,"text":"大客車還有這個國內航空還有國內的船舶交通我們也做了全面性的一些補貼的政策那油價跟電價的穩定那是包括民生包括產業都受惠到這整個物價穩定的調整的過程那細節如果 請部長再補充巴委員除了剛剛院長提到的就是價格的穩定之外然後另外料源我們希望充足之外"},{"start":21514.517,"end":21536.503,"text":"事實上因為任性條例的這個部分進一步編了460億那個本來就是給傳統產業跟中小企業來用的所以就是說不管是升級轉型也好或是融資貸款的利息補助也好或是多元市場的開拓也好那個持續在做那我們現在收的案件已經好幾千件那也持續在做那另外我們也"},{"start":21537.944,"end":21560.846,"text":"組織了這個競爭力的輔導團那也輔導了現在已經有4000多家在輔導當中已經有一些完成了那這個部分我們持續在做除了這個之外公務預算也還有100億的中小為多元振興方案那這是院長每一年都會給我們100億那這個也是針對中小企業來做一些協助的所以我們有衝"},{"start":21561.647,"end":21587.188,"text":"分的這些準備來支撐我們中小企業的一些因應的發展跟部長所回答的這些事實上就是說在我們中美貿易談判之後我們這些措施就已經有在實施可是就是說在中美貿易關稅的問題發生的時候當然中小企業他們因為就是這個關稅的問題也導致他們這個就是接單也造成很大的一個困擾就是"},{"start":21588.189,"end":21609.388,"text":"在要不要接都是一個很大的困擾那現在因為原物料的上漲因為最近我拜訪中小企業他們就反映說目前的原物料漲得非常的高包括其中一項就是甲本它從每公餅四千元漲到現在每公餅要一萬五千元等於是漲了三倍"},{"start":21610.269,"end":21632.943,"text":"所以這樣子的一個價格這樣子一個成本導致他們目前就是包括一些食品業者的包材他們要印刷那個封面等等還有包括這個磷膜原料PE和EVA也漲了三到四倍業者做這個果凍上的一絲膜價格也漲了30%這個是在中美貿易"},{"start":21634.503,"end":21655.608,"text":"這個關稅之後我們新的一波問題就是因為這個能源的年代的石化原料的問題所衍生的新的目前的一個狀況所以過去就是說在之前你剛剛部長回答的潤性的這些就是措施就是支撐中小企業不管是轉型技術提升等等"},{"start":21656.128,"end":21680.798,"text":"我覺得對於他們這一次面臨的就是原物料的一個上漲的衝擊我覺得幫助不大我是想建議行政院這邊有沒有考量就是從稅負的就是去減免這個方向去考慮來減輕他們的一些負擔報告委員因為現在油價當然是累積起來大概漲了百分之也許70 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謝謝 這個委員所在的這個彰化也是我們這個農登工廠應該是最多最久的一個地方所以長期以來委員的關心我們都了解日前我也跟委員討論過對於這個農登工廠它應該要突破歷史上一些還沒有辦法解決的問題來把它克服掉"},{"start":21912.717,"end":21928.249,"text":"那他解決到目前可以解決的這個案件實在是太少了那表示我們的任何的規定沒有 現在的規定沒有辦法去因應這些問題那如果在整個農地的管理之下農業部可以在不影響整個農業 農產安全的狀況底下如果要來面對這個問題"},{"start":21934.614,"end":21963.186,"text":"我們已經跟農業部還有內政部做一個通盤的討論那也請委員提供出來在當地的這個產業界需要怎麼樣的處理就產業業者跟政府的現在的規定當間這麼大的落差會如何來彌平這個正在進行研究當中本席提這個數據主要也是希望院長要去了解然後重視這個議題接下來本席想請教有關就是目前台灣農業面臨的一個問題"},{"start":21964.502,"end":21966.945,"text":"目前臺灣農村有一個狀況正在發生越南移工變成地下老闆"},{"start":21983.701,"end":22012.311,"text":"主導在整個這個農業的一個經營模式請問部長知道嗎我想我們有掌握這樣的一個情況那這種情況最普遍的就是說在合法的農地的一個經營的過程中他可能用五厘地或一分地的部分讓這些移工來自己經營然後拿去販售那這個部分其實我們已經掌握相關的一個資訊那同樣的這是一個不合法的一個行為也會影響到我們"},{"start":22013.191,"end":22036.283,"text":"我們國內的農民的一個生活跟他的一個農產的貿易所以後續我想我們再跟勞動部這邊看要怎麼樣的去針對這個非法的這些移工去做這樣的一個行為本席在今年過年期間然後一直到目前陸續就是在田尾、普延就是在走訪基層的時候就有遇到鄉親跟我反映這個問題"},{"start":22037.524,"end":22053.781,"text":"那時候我在想說因為我本來還不知道有這樣的一個狀況農民反映之後結果在三月份我們也看到了有一個上下游的網路媒體針對這個議題做了八篇深入的報導我才覺得說那這個已經是一個很普遍"},{"start":22054.361,"end":22082.57,"text":"很嚴重的一個問題因為當時我在我的選區就是田委遇到的鄉親他們就是反映說今年從過年到目前整個蔬菜價格都沒有很好他就跟我提到說就是有這個外籍移工他們現在就是自己貿產做陶芸他們種植之後他們在販售的時候他們就是壓低這個價格所以導致整個交易"},{"start":22084.097,"end":22107.084,"text":"蔬菜市場的交易價格就是崩盤拉低了所以這樣子一個狀況的存在我們也希望農業部要去重視當然這個菜價是一體兩面不過我覺得比較嚴重的是食安的問題就是農藥用藥的問題因為我們看到這篇報導裡面他有提到說在去年颱風"},{"start":22109.305,"end":22118.858,"text":"來襲之前結果在雲林的果菜市場發現了很多批的葉菜類的蔬菜農藥檢驗都超標這樣的狀況去跟他追查之後原來就是為了搶收"},{"start":22126.207,"end":22152.913,"text":"所以這個就是說這個外籍移工他可能不知道這個農藥的一個管控的期間或者是說他也不知道是不是用了正確的農藥因為他們就是成為實際的這個農業經營者的時候他們能夠去農藥行買農藥嗎就是說在對農藥或者肥料的使用上沒有辦法受到管控所以如果說發生了這樣子的一個食安問題的時候我們要怎樣去溯源"},{"start":22154.034,"end":22176.605,"text":"我想第一個跟委員報告就是今年年初的這個車家低迷有一大部分的原因是因為去年因為台灣的關係然後過度集中種植導致的那第二個部分針對您所提的這個移工本身的部分現在是用合法掩護非法所以他們是用類似分論的概念就是說合法的農地跟經營主體"},{"start":22177.765,"end":22201.136,"text":"他提供給這些非法移工做這些經營然後去做抽煙彈所以我們現在已經掌握從批發市場批發市場拍賣的時候我們就會特別去注意他本身的經銷人包括實際在拍賣的人是不是一個有問題的一個人那第二個部分在產地面我們也是跟我們的農民講有任何的這種把自己土地分潤給"},{"start":22202.356,"end":22216.012,"text":"那些外籍移工去做種植然後收入如他們收的部分的話我們是嚴格的未來我們所有的補助所有的救助都不會給予他們那這個部分我想我們會加強第三個就是我們在考慮在適當的時間點我們會啟動聯合稽查"},{"start":22219.544,"end":22245.382,"text":"剛剛部長講的是其中一個狀況因為我們看這一個報導就是網路媒體的報導除了分論之外他們還有一個模式就是他們是真正的就是保地的耕作者所以他們也造成了人地競爭就是說他跟我們台灣的青農競爭在租這個農地所以也造成我們青農在耕作上"},{"start":22259.216,"end":22278.867,"text":"好 謝謝陳樹越委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會市長的備詢 謝謝好 謝謝抱歉我們即將休息十分鐘我們謝謝邱若驊委員 王育民委員 鍾嘉斌委員 顏寬恆委員陪同我們一起上半場的質詢謝謝 我們先休息"},{"start":22867.295,"end":22871.244,"text":"好 抱歉會我們繼續開會接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢嚴寬衡委員請準備"},{"start":22893.704,"end":22902.237,"text":"主席、再當委員先進、列席政府經濟發展委員、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請卓院長跟農業部陳部長跟我們經濟部的拱部長麻煩再請卓院長、農業部、經濟部備詢"},{"start":22917.765,"end":22931.747,"text":"中國元好院長好兩位部長好我的標題很簡單業者足科檢查海關抽驗把關產地設冷庫結合儲能增任性發展新能源需設預化電網的配置來"},{"start":22933.479,"end":22948.058,"text":"院長剛剛看到前面的翁委員在質詢我覺得是很辛苦啦因為他一直要問陳部長又不給陳部長講來陳部長到底你了解的我們這個馬鈴薯進口院長說要竹科檢驗到底是什麼意思送到新竹的竹科去檢驗嗎"},{"start":22951.981,"end":22978.621,"text":"謝謝委員給我這個機會能夠比較完整的說明第一個部分我要說明的就是確保我們農業產業的環境跟國人的健康是我們農業部跟衛生部共同的責任所以在邊境檢查上我們一定是用非常嚴格的標準甚至於比國外的標準還高那針對有關於加工的馬鈴薯的部分我們是採用三階段由兩個部會就是來共同來做這樣的雙重把關"},{"start":22979.361,"end":23002.613,"text":"那第一關就是在美國輸出前他第一個一定由美國的檢疫單位一定要確保沒有帶土沒有帶病沒有帶蟲然後沒有腐爛而且噴發芽抑制劑有這樣的一個檢查以後才能夠從美國同意他出關那到了台灣是我們第二關的部分是我們的海關邊境的一個檢查"},{"start":23003.573,"end":23021.28,"text":"那在檢查的時候農業部門我們負責的是他本身的芽體有沒有超過標準更重要的是他的病害跟蟲害有沒有帶有這樣的一個病害或蟲害如果有的話病害有的話是整批直接退運那蟲害的話會經過薰針"},{"start":23023.061,"end":23041.731,"text":"那有關於牙體的部分如果發現的時候我們就會通知衛務部那同樣的衛務部在抽檢有看到牙體也會通知農業部我們互相協同那有牙體的時候衛務部就會做切檢的檢驗如果檢驗出超標的時候也是退運"},{"start":23042.791,"end":23059.166,"text":"所以在這樣的一個前提之下只剩下都是安全的只剩下牙體過長那在過長的過程中業者會看他實際情況如果太多的時候他可能會退運但是如果他想要做一些重新整理的話他提改善計畫書"},{"start":23060.467,"end":23083.447,"text":"那改善計畫書就會選定它的指定地點那這些指定地點要合乎我們的要求然後如果確定它可以重新選別的時候我們會把這個貨櫃封簽以後送到指定的加工廠然後由我們的檢疫人員監督之下開櫃然後由業者用輸送袋去做選別那有的業者有自動選別系統"},{"start":23084.708,"end":23108.389,"text":"就能夠快速的選別選別完了以後我們才會核發檢疫證明那檢疫合格證明他才能夠進到後端的實際的加工製造所以院長所提到的竹科檢查是指在我們的加工廠做選別的時候我們一定業者是一定是每一顆每一顆都要去看如果有不合格的部分如果再讓我們"},{"start":23109.029,"end":23130.741,"text":"檢驗人員發現的話他就是退運了好部長你花了三分鐘我一張圖就講完了啦如果說你以為的竹科檢驗是把一個貨櫃裡面一萬顆馬鈴薯一顆一顆挑出來看嗎不是啦世界上沒有人這樣做的啦我們台灣的鳳梨台灣的芒果要輸出到日本也是一個貨櫃裡面挑幾件"},{"start":23131.283,"end":23146.868,"text":"出來看有沒有藉殼蟲對不對但是呢我們做好事如果你是工業用冷凍的不會有發芽的問題剩下兩層零售的整顆的那麼我們就會做什麼先抽菸"},{"start":23147.708,"end":23169.473,"text":"抽驗如果不合格就請業者帶回去那他自己一顆一顆把不合格的挑走你他覺得都合格了你送來我再抽驗一次補考補考再考一次通過就通過不通過全部推是不是這樣子院長這樣很簡單是不是給你一個補考的機會不是海關一顆一顆驗是業者如果他覺得"},{"start":23170.213,"end":23186.648,"text":"我只是有些被你抽到了可能沒有那麼壞我把發炎的挑走我整顆轉箱再來一樣都是合格的才會進來嘛結束好好謝謝這個業者這個行為因為他也在海關的後製行為是屬於我們這個邊境檢驗對啦第二句話"},{"start":23189.827,"end":23207.809,"text":"不管是部長的三分鐘還是委員的一分鐘都在昨天專報裡面的兩頁兩頁都寫得很清楚我這個不用兩頁剛剛委員他沒有看不想看看不懂不會問就用這種叫罵的方式我這一張授權給院長跟部長可以拿去用一張圖就解決了來再問一下部長"},{"start":23208.43,"end":23230.66,"text":"院長 我們最近好不容易不再是口蹄疫的疫區嘛 有沒有覺得很振奮感謝所有養豬農跟國人一起的努力也謝謝農業部去做政策上很好的宣導但是現在對岸又發生口蹄疫了 怎麼辦 陳部長我想我們現在目前邊境的把關不只是非洲豬瘟 包括口蹄疫的部分我們也做嚴格的把關"},{"start":23231.34,"end":23247.874,"text":"那相關的這些高風險的疫區的部分我們一定在行李上面一定是百分之百的充裕而且你還到我們屏東有養豬的地方去做講習對不對好謝謝這樣有準備就好來我要關心的是什麼關心的是外銷鳳梨黑心的事情不是黑心鳳梨"},{"start":23248.875,"end":23272.677,"text":"鳳梨為什麼黑心?部長,除了濃度的差異造成的一個黑心很好,但是外銷的鳳梨一定要冷藏嘛所以很多傳統的果農,它的鳳梨如果沒有適當的降溫我們外銷業者送到消費地,到日本,啪啪黑心了還問鳳梨名聲很好,啪啪下去但是傳統市場會不會買到黑心的鳳梨?"},{"start":23274.919,"end":23288.132,"text":"因為傳統市場的鳳梨沒有經過什麼降溫但是有一種情況為什麼我們那麼小心做了冷庫鳳梨還是會到日本還是會到黑心呢有人找出一個原因了用太多蛋肥"},{"start":23289.025,"end":23309.048,"text":"為什麼用那一堆蛋肥經過適當的冷存還是會黑心呢因為農民為了個頭比較大顆最後收成前他會下比較重的蛋肥蛋肥下得重鳳梨長得大顆在傳統市場賣相好但是如果經過了長期的運輸到日本那個就會產生黑心某些人不知道這個事情"},{"start":23309.628,"end":23335.74,"text":"不過我想要跟委員澄清您說的黑心的部分是在第110年的時候我們首次大規模的輸出現在已經沒有這個問題了黑心的問題不是冷鏈問題有的時候是因為你把內需內銷的傳統市場的這些產品經過冷鏈送到外銷所以現在我要講一件事情讓部長知道我們在屏東下一頁我們的國際化的標專廠是不是明年要開始啟用"},{"start":23337.233,"end":23365.234,"text":"在屏東這個就是呢當時設置就是要讓我們屏東的國品可以外銷的它很大那這個經營者他其實怎麼樣他是做品牌包裝因此他做品牌包裝他要求農民既然你這個鳳梨要外銷你不要求大顆你不要給我下那麼多的蛋肥這樣子我的冷庫才能確保送出的鳳梨不會黑心院長是不是這樣子所以呢要搭配好往下看但是這麼大的冷庫需要每個縣市都有嗎"},{"start":23366.206,"end":23394.243,"text":"不需要 因為大型的冷庫不好經營他要跨區域 跨品項 還要跨內外銷我們屏東那麼多包含國品我們的產季也不到半年另外半年那個冷庫不能閒置所以他閒置的時候沒有外銷的時候他做內銷 內銷給誰給全聯 給家樂福他們的國品也是需要冷鏈的所以大型的集中的冷庫不用多但是院長部長"},{"start":23395.303,"end":23417.41,"text":"還有沒有出到冷鋪在計畫當中產地型的冷鏈系統這是我們在建構整個冷鏈網絡裡面一個非常重要的是產地的冷鏈它最大的攝取者就是農民因為農民只要有產地的冷鏈只要是小型的它可以解決田間的它可以讓產品可以在傳統市場它可以讓運輸本來5天它可以放到10天"},{"start":23418.01,"end":23418.531,"text":"所以院長知道齁"},{"start":23435.49,"end":23449.858,"text":"所以產地的冷庫對農民很重要但是產地的冷庫他沒有辦法跨品項他沒有辦法跨區域他甚至不能跨內外交他要跨什麼平常有生產季的時候兩個月四個月農用平常怎樣商用"},{"start":23450.916,"end":23474.013,"text":"讓人家長期營業、升遷期營業、人家做團善的讓他拿來放但是你如果讓人家拿來放做商用,你不能斷電那如果預防斷電,陳部長,冷庫如果預防斷電,斷電會壞掉啊?要用什麼?要用備援嗎?除能你是認為用發電機備援比較好還是用除能?除能設備除能,但是除能很貴多數農民的用斷電系統,就是柴油發電機"},{"start":23475.314,"end":23498.359,"text":"那現在如果我們要廣設這些產地型的冷庫可不可以把儲能列為它的附屬設施以我個人的判斷應該是可行的一個方式應該是可行的 部長 國務部長如果儲能業者他除了做冷庫的不斷電設施他也可以兼做當地區域的光電的儲能來調節電網你覺得有沒有幫助我們電網的韌性"},{"start":23501.384,"end":23523.124,"text":"是有幫助啊,如果他參與我們那個蓄量會議的話所以院長請指示經濟部跟農業部就我們農地設的冷庫它所附設的儲能是不是可以同時監作我們電網當中調節韌性的儲能好不好農業設施包括這個冷卻設施它已經附屬是可以發展這個光電"},{"start":23524.325,"end":23539.376,"text":"已經可以發展光電如果加上光電的儲藏只能用在頭頂上的它不能用別人的那加上儲能的話會更好好 那兩位部長可以回去研究一下好不好我們會來仔細的規劃來再往下看所以現在我們往下說電網"},{"start":23540.848,"end":23558.198,"text":"院長過去我們的台電它的電網是它做發電端也是它做大概只有兩位數的發電廠用戶端上百萬上千萬它的電網的膚色就要配合的都市計畫暴露所以過去台電它的用電戶的電網很順"},{"start":23561.423,"end":23580.418,"text":"路開到哪裡?住宅區、工業區、商業區開到哪裡?他電就送到哪裡?那這個電網設施包括什麼?一次變電所、二次變電所、配電所還有潰線但是現在發電的地方現在不是只有二位數、兩位數的電廠現在很多光電廠都在哪裡?不在都市計劃區域"},{"start":23581.859,"end":23607.315,"text":"這些電廠台電還要用電網去把他的電接過來所以台電就沒有辦法按照道路規劃他坐餐廳沒幾條路啊電網要怎麼設往往設的潰線設的深壓站光電者就開始搶那個配線的容量院長知道齁那怎麼解決怎麼解決解決的方式就是怎樣他有些弊端就是先唱先贏先唱先贏造成很多的浪費"},{"start":23608.476,"end":23624.39,"text":"光電的開發商他可能為了要搶得虧線他要先到台電去放保證金如果時間到他沒有辦法整合他就讓給第二名然後保證就沒收了那第三名沒有拿到虧線的明明整合好了沒有虧線他也沒有辦法發電"},{"start":23625.171,"end":23638.277,"text":"所以可不可以請院長指示部長台電可不可以先去域化往下看就是說這個匱限容量的搶奪往下看就是能夠超前部署這樣的話我們土地開發井然有序公共設施按時到位"},{"start":23639.707,"end":23656.605,"text":"部長我剛剛跟你提過您覺得台電是不是要為了未來的電網的韌性我們對於發電端的電網的配置要及早做規劃讓這些發電業者可以有所遵循部長覺得怎麼樣我們嘗試的來努力看看至少從"},{"start":23657.486,"end":23685.425,"text":"某一個區域先開始因為這個實在是範圍實在是太大了就是說這些光電業者他什麼時候會在哪裡開發然後開發跟地主談的怎麼樣部長我知道你講的我都想過這個業者要去想腦筋但是可以開發各種不同的發電方式的都很有限啊現在哪裡還可以發都有限都算得出來往下看我先考一下我們的總部長難道電池儲能跟水利它是屬於發電裝置還是電網裝置"},{"start":23690.508,"end":23695.152,"text":"除能本身它根本不會發電它是屬於電網裝置但是水力發電過去認為是發電裝置但是它現在的抽蓄水力發電開始調節電網它也可以設為電網裝置對不對"},{"start":23705.444,"end":23732.504,"text":"我們現在的燃料電池燃料電池是什麼燃料電池是用LNG去的只是它不是透過燃燒它透過化學反應來產生電力它是發電裝置它也可以成為什麼儲能裝置就是成為電網裝置好 那往下看所以我們能源轉型2.0電網韌性很重要我們在發展自主能源有光電風電跟地熱我們的這個兼具電網跟發電的水力或燃料電池未來會起一具的發展"},{"start":23732.924,"end":23758.736,"text":"那至於氫能跟儲能也要事先配置但是我們知道現在燃料電池它發的單價很貴可是它有一個好處它在目前的都市計畫裡面它比儲能還容易找到位置放所以我們可能不知道未來在都會地區我可能不見得能夠放儲能但是我可以放什麼我可以放燃料電池那燃料電池它既然可以發電是不是可以列入台電的電網跟發電裝置的設備當中"},{"start":23762.117,"end":23785.125,"text":"是可以參與嘛 對不對因為他這個是表後的那我們現在是有一個他設置裝備的時候我們是有補助金額然後每一度事實上也有一些補助讓他覺得部長我知道你是講現在的辦法我現在要求的是你規劃未來新能源不要等到開始做了才發現法規沒有準備好我可以跟你預告"},{"start":23785.925,"end":23802.455,"text":"未來很多傳統都市地區不能設置發電廠的它都能設置燃料電池但它需要天然氣管那如果你天然氣管沒有裝它就不能發這樣會造成我們電網跟發電裝置的不匹配所以我希望說未來往下看就是說不要再說我這個地方"},{"start":23803.996,"end":23824.251,"text":"電網沒有設置 連天然氣管也沒有設置那未來有人設的燃料電池他想成為供電跟台電來合作也做不到 你了解嗎所以最後的結論 最後結論時間的關係第一 請農業部檢討法令同意農地上冷庫的負能設施剛剛答應了請經濟部檢討法令冷庫附屬的負能設施得參與台電的售電以最後"},{"start":23830.383,"end":23853.143,"text":"謝謝 麻煩請行政部門送鍾嘉斌委員所需要的報告 謝謝我們接下來請閻寬恆委員質詢 洪玉祥委員請準備"},{"start":23859.439,"end":23864.589,"text":"主席 各位列席官員大家好 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刷新紀錄台電表示說2025年的盈餘將用來填補累計的虧損那稅這個稅後盈餘當中業外收入140億那剩餘600億都是電力的收入那它合理的利潤是300億喔"},{"start":24236.909,"end":24256.261,"text":"那增加了300億的一個一個所謂的就是電力收入那這些就是從我們去年的調整電價來的嘛對不對就是從去年調整電價所以才會有這額外的300億好那我們看一下我們從去年廢核之後我們來自核能工業的電力少了400多億度400多億度"},{"start":24258.462,"end":24279.658,"text":"那有學者舉例嘛假設一半由天然氣然後每度成本3.2元那四分之一由太陽光電每度成本5元四分之一由風電每度成本7元來替代這個發電成本每度只要1.1元的核電那台電相當於白白少賺了1200億"},{"start":24281.158,"end":24291.607,"text":"那這就是非核家園付出的一個最低的代價這1200億的損失最終還是你我還有全體的國人核包的損失都是我們要負擔的你剛才也提到核關法的規定它就只能40年而已"},{"start":24299.193,"end":24315.854,"text":"不得不停下來這是法律上的規定只有法改了以後才有辦法可能再啟動你剛才也提到了那2011年那時候就是決定不願意因為福島發生這個核災嘛那時候也是那時候潮大野大喔"},{"start":24317.16,"end":24343.456,"text":"這決定喔好啦好啦謝謝啦因為我想最主要還是要回到台中火力發電廠的問題因為執政黨答應過我們地方鄉親說要用燃氣取代燃煤降低空污嘛但是現在台中港區既有的這個儲存槽目前是六座加上年底完工的兩座就是八座那這還有在計畫在外港區擴建的四座十二座再加上五階"},{"start":24344.554,"end":24362.015,"text":"的5座總共是17座全部都集中在台中港那天然氣儲存槽現在是地方最擔心的問題二階還沒做完還有五階那政策的一個遭遇細改苦的就是我們當地的民眾而且傷的也是我們"},{"start":24362.876,"end":24390.608,"text":"民眾的荷包啦 全體民眾的荷包所以希望院長可以看到這一點這總共17座5階加2階17座的這個天然氣儲氣槽如果萬一發生什麼公安沒有人 公安意外沒有人願意 但是如果假設假設發生什麼公安意外這個是零所效應是不堪想像因為你都全部集中在台中港區而且天然氣全部都仰賴進口"},{"start":24391.668,"end":24416.08,"text":"我們從這個不管是我們一直提醒執政黨說一定會受到國際情勢然後天氣的狀況還有反應的狀況現在中東的戰況持續的延燒問題全部都反映出來了全部都反映出來所以對我們當地居民的壓力非常的大儲氣槽的這個建制還有就是我們當地漁民的一個懲請"},{"start":24417.662,"end":24436.222,"text":"中游目前正在計畫接收站之間的串聯我們的海底輸氣管線的部件一定會影響這些漁民捕撈的漁場讓漁民的捕撈權益受損再加上我們這個港務公司毛泊區不斷的外擴所以這些儲氣槽"},{"start":24437.523,"end":24447.833,"text":"相關的這些建設是千里法動全身所以院長部長我想要請教你們有沒有全面的考慮到所衍生的這些漁民捕撈的權益還有所有的民生問題"},{"start":24449.091,"end":24468.148,"text":"跟委員報告這個台中的發電廠在2026年也會有新的燃氣機組會上來所以包括台中以及其他高雄的興達也會有所以我們各地都是按照計畫來偵測四階五階等等以及三階的擴充它的除氣槽"},{"start":24469.529,"end":24485.562,"text":"這個都是按照計畫當中的所以也沒有集中在台中而已是各地都需要配備需要的另外工程進行的時候當然要高度的要求公安這個是責無旁貸的責任經濟部或中油或是台電都必須要達到這個標準再來就是在剛"},{"start":24486.643,"end":24495.489,"text":"臨海地區當然有漁場的一些經驗要去處理那麼從三階四階生育的保護或是漁場的漁獲的維護都有相當的經驗我也認為未來的處理我們應該從經驗當中會處理得比現在更好"},{"start":24502.034,"end":24528.377,"text":"好 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