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一點是他們的包含單一窗口第二點是協助的方法跟人力這三個方面我們會跟他協助我們一起加油我們去確認一下財化法到地方之後發生了什麼事情再來家庭教育我們來看預算的部分我們比了相關的預算115年的家庭教育預算不增繁減連114年的三分之一都不到"},{"start":2315.872,"end":2335.632,"text":"關於家庭教育這件事情已經有非常多人從第一線站出來告訴你們現在教育現場的崩潰有很大一部分來自於家庭教育家長的知能不足所以它產生了很多亂象反映在學校裡頭投射在老師身上錯誤的投射而這件事情我們家庭教育的預算為什麼這樣改變難道又是因為才化法嗎那如果是這樣"},{"start":2336.212,"end":2353.849,"text":"你們原本到地方去的錢現在如何繼續問責地方拿了錢就要辦事我再說一次地方拿了錢就要辦事不要再把家庭教育中心從中央到地方沒有人說的清楚來請回答謝謝委員大概主要是因為財化法的關係大概有將近三成的預算到地方去好"},{"start":2354.309,"end":2380.507,"text":"很好那我告訴你簡單錢拿走了之後你們教育部要有機制要有辦法去問責於地方政府他到底有沒有認真在執行這個家庭教育的預算還有他執行的成效是什麼如果再只是像過去一樣辦好辦滿講座然後該來的其實該來那些人都沒有來耶最後都到司法家庭的演講上去了是對吧我只是舉其中一個例子所以拜託家庭教育的錢如果到了地方你們要有相關機制跟法規去問責地方政府好來下一題是"},{"start":2381.588,"end":2411.088,"text":"特殊醫療生這件事情他們現在上學路是最大的阻礙我們先不要去探討學校裡面的醫療行為的相關責任分工未來兒家屬要成立了但是我們知道有非常多重症而身心障礙的孩子因為在學校裡面沒有辦法好好被照顧所以他們就選擇不上學我們辦公室跟你們要過相關資料結論是我們的教育部也好我們的衛福部從來沒有正式統計有多少重症而身心障礙的孩子因為在學校困難重重所以決定不上學"},{"start":2412.028,"end":2438.462,"text":"這件事情非常嚴重基本上這是基本人權的問題來署長所以我就公開要求我們可不可以想辦法跟衛福部趕快做出常態性的統計確保有多少特殊醫療生活照顧需求的孩子他們因為在學校的困境所以導致沒有上學來署長請說這會後我們三天內跟委員研議在下禮拜一之前有答案跟衛福部一起來研究這件事情"},{"start":2438.882,"end":2461.928,"text":"太好了謝謝來最後一題非常感謝吳麗華教委召開4月13的實驗教育三法公聽會十年了當天的狀況非常非常多不是只有一般的族群包含原住民族群也遇到類似的問題我希望教委或者是教育部後續有機會我們有機會召開專案報告或者是相關更積極的修法會議討論也期待教育部看見這十年來增加了"},{"start":2462.988,"end":2481.854,"text":"數十倍的孩子從所謂學校內到學校外我再次強調這些孩子不是非主流他們也是我們主流中的孩子因為人數越來越多所有的教育預算教育政策視野必須把這些孩子納入眼中拜託教育部一起努力後續我們的預算提案裡面我們再積極討論謝謝"},{"start":2487.631,"end":2500.701,"text":"謝謝陳培宇委員良好的示範那實驗教育10年我們也會來排專案報告好 謝謝那接下來有請柯智恩委員進行詢問請謝謝周二衛 我們是不是請鄭部長好 有請鄭部長相備詢談 謝謝"},{"start":2520.731,"end":2543.23,"text":"科文好部长好今天教育预算零零总总今天那么多的大学校长在这个地方所以我就focus在我们所谓的高等教育的经费上面那我想这个教育部在113年的8月已经核定的这个因应高教人才的新增所以我们要提升我们这个教育人员的这个待遇的计划所以你跟这个国科会"},{"start":2543.51,"end":2563.324,"text":"总共加起来有关于优秀人才的弹性性质是360亿左右那你当然提出了这四大的一个策略我想留才是每一个人普遍都非常希望的但是你不管是什么样的名目不管是什么样的品相你永远会发现我们要留才的时候呢完全都是集中在教授级"},{"start":2563.824,"end":2592.157,"text":"这就是一个部分然后呢我们想要留住这个国际的人才你反而从108到12的时候你可以发现人数就不断的下降那国际人才的这个减幅是高达33.76所以呢这个不是我讲是监察院特别提出来的你这个弹性方案对于国际人才还有对于所谓这个断层的这样子的一个补救其实基本上是不太足的所以说呢限制教授占比过高所以你可以看到嘛"},{"start":2592.597,"end":2606.997,"text":"要让这个高层的这个部分我们预计未来将有22%的这个教授即将要退场然后呢我们集中化的一个补助你可以从教授副教授跟助理教授来所以说呢面对未来五年22教师退休的潮"},{"start":2607.978,"end":2624.081,"text":"我说实在的 部长你这样即使有齐头式的加薪我说实在的这是普遍性加薪并不是精英式的加薪这完全只是在通膨的原则而已你如何能够留下你当初所立定的目标你要留下青年优秀人才"},{"start":2625.561,"end":2648.776,"text":"跟委員報告確實我們這個透過這個談信心師或者這個玉山學者玉山青年學者我們有許多的一些方案但是感謝委員關心再次提醒我們我想所有的大學校長也都聽到了我們教育部跟國科位的這一個給教授他談信心並不是只有給教授我們希望學校在副教授跟助理教授"},{"start":2649.156,"end":2663.253,"text":"也能夠確保大概有50%就是一半一半對等的但是部長我就跟你講嘛這個數字顯示出來嘛我們所補助的你沒有辦法精準的投放在這個我們所謂的青年優秀的人才身上而且呢最重要的部分裡面我們所撥的這個52億"},{"start":2666.357,"end":2693.967,"text":"你跟过去所提到的如果永远都是集中在这个最后完全是由我们这个资深教授拿取的话其实我们就会质疑这52亿到底可以达到什么样的一个成效你刚所揭露的四大策略到底有没有得到一个协助这是我要特别提出来这个东西因为时间现在非常的有限我们还是希望能够精准的来投放然后呢这个时间是不是暂停一下我们接下来还是要提到有关于教育的一个问题我们是不是请台大"},{"start":2694.747,"end":2715.159,"text":"台大校长今天没来对不对那不好意思那我就副校长其实在下有非常多优秀的学校那我想不管是清大阳明交大还有我们高雄也有非常多的校长过来但是我们就拿一个学生家长最梦寐的我也不能这样讲这样得罪其他人大家都非常的优秀我们就请台大来做代表他的意思就代表我们所有家长的意见"},{"start":2718.032,"end":2732.669,"text":"我想台大消务基金不错115年你剩余是9400万但是相对于你114年是短促的7600万所以台大消务基金在这个自筹的部分是做到相当好的成就我想我就问出所有家长的一个心声学习历程"},{"start":2733.47,"end":2759.621,"text":"部長我們一年花了14到15億左右來做這個學習歷程我們就真正來看一下學習歷程當然有人支持有人不支持我們就問台大的這個代表啊校長你當然是沒有看過真正的學習歷程嘛因為這個不需要你嘛但是我想你們在校務會議裡面都有討論過你們真的覺得有些學生甚至繳交的三百也除了一般基本的之外他在次數的部分可以這樣子你覺得學習歷程就台大來說在你們"},{"start":2760.481,"end":2785.336,"text":"申選學生來說他的占比大概多少你們怎麼樣看待這一份報告報告委員關於這個學習歷程部分其實我個人之前有參與過因為我是法律學院的老師那麼我想這每一個系所對學習歷程的看重程度我覺得差異非常的大所以我沒有辦法代替每一個學院每一個系所所以你認為學習歷程對於台大在申選學生來說有其必要性嗎"},{"start":2786.511,"end":2813.912,"text":"在某些系所他们确实还蛮看重某些系所因为时间的关系我其实很想请清大或教大或是我们高雄大学来因为我想每个学校都是不太一样我只是要图写目前来说呢身为学术的一个龙头然后你们面对于AI引发的学术伦理的挑战的时候可能在对于这个学习历程里面也会有这样的状况台大有在校务会里面做这样一个讨论吗目前还没有但是我们下一次校务会会做AI的专案报告"},{"start":2814.792,"end":2835.628,"text":"我想说一来专案报告当中不是在一个学校的学术层面而是面对于未来在这么多不管在学术伦理上面或在学生在学习历程上面所呈现的部分这都是一个非常大的挑战我想也对于所有的校长来说是一个很大的挑战所以你没有办法替台大来做但是我的时间关系我不能一一请教其他的学校谢谢但是呢"},{"start":2836.368,"end":2851.6,"text":"我还是要提出来一个非常重要的就是部长对不起请教一下等一下还有学习历程我们再讲还有一个部分里面可以请大家来思考这个问题我们看一下韩国的大学对不起下一个部分"},{"start":2852.694,"end":2881.408,"text":"他们对于校园霸凌者终身不入去韩国的高校特别是他们顶尖的大学当中去年当中他们对于所谓曾经犯过校园霸凌而且已经确定的话即使你考上了名校你也终身不入去今年是韩国全面的对于你已经确定是校园霸凌的话他们不入去因为他们认为不是只有分数高还还是一贯社会的责任特别是顶尖的学校是一个社会责任同时也是一个对他们品格的部分"},{"start":2882.268,"end":2904.71,"text":"副校长台大会支持这样的方案吗台大对于霸凌向来是采零容忍的这个态度你们对于学生如果入学到台大但是还有过去霸凌的历史你们台大会做出任何不准他入学让他名校梦碎的这样的方案吗我认为还是要看个案因为这涉及到学生的权益跟同校的权益绝对是学生的权益你会在校会中讨论吗"},{"start":2905.461,"end":2929.58,"text":"校务会议目前没有这个案子但是我认为必要我们可以放进去当然是有讨论因为韩国就是我刚刚说的功课好不代表一切社会的责任很重要所以韩国现在已经全面的当然对学生权益是确定确定他是这样子的一个过程而且是二行到一个程度即使考上了他们也给予不支持的这样一个决定所以我说台大这个部分会在校务会议里面讨论吗可以提案讨论没有问题好"},{"start":2930.26,"end":2946.189,"text":"因為這是一個指標我想在場所有的校長我沒有說韓國特別好但是它是一個宣示的一個作用謝謝副校長我們接下來看那學習的歷程副校長可以請坐請回座了學習歷程裡面因為他用到我們四四五億的一個經費我還是要給校長對不起鄭校長現在目前的鄭部長看一下"},{"start":2950.672,"end":2979.931,"text":"那个学习历程未提交的比率你会看到第一届开始到第三届的时候未提交的比率会越来越高而且经济弱势的学生部长已经有62.32他们没有提交这个是对我们学习历程来说的话他们一些无声的一个抗议那当然是来自一个信任的一个危机因为他们认为这已经是家长经费的一种所谓的军备竞赛然后呢他们也有很多人认为我写的300多页那到底有没有认真在看数据会告诉你"},{"start":2980.131,"end":3009.088,"text":"其实经济弱势的学生提交的比例会越来越低这是给提供部长做一个参考还有我们往下来看学校端来说你说要让他的学生有多元的学习部长你看一下学校端有些时候呢他们希望鼓励多元的选修而且各校至少有六个学分提供学生来做选修但是你们看到这个比率学校端没有依照计划开课的比例超过五成部长这有检讨过吗"},{"start":3010.336,"end":3029.164,"text":"還沒有超過啊學校都不開課啊謝謝文提問那這個問題是在四五月的時候老師有提這個計畫但是在八月的時候老師在跨學年度的時候幫大理老師 老師換話我覺得這個年度這個我們都會尋求在線上或相關的來改善你這個年度來看就很清楚告訴大家要多元學習結果你課就完全開不出來還有呢謝謝署長的一個回應這個時間 這樣表現最還好 最後還有兩分鐘好緊張"},{"start":3038.107,"end":3056.364,"text":"還有部長你剛花了好幾個篇幅在告訴我你們雙語教育有多重要英文能力有多重要你看一下好了現在大學採取英聽的比例越來越低而且你看英聽的缺考率真的是缺考率越來越高你看到沒有從110年度到110年不斷在降低然後我們每一次各大學校長"},{"start":3057.205,"end":3071.622,"text":"每一个系所都要求学生而且对于系所采取的系组越来越少你告诉我我没有说应听就跟你的英文教育双语教育画上等号可是它就是一个指标啊你每年花费我们这么多钱到底效益在哪里"},{"start":3073.79,"end":3078.273,"text":"這樣系組根本直接砍半根本就不採取這波這說實在的考試領導教學我以前就是這樣現在很難過的還是這樣子你不採集你不用他就不會去考不用去考更不會去念啊"},{"start":3089.295,"end":3116.355,"text":"部長你的陰天好不好你的暴增缺考率暴增比過去暴增2.5倍我們會跟大學端再來這個討論在大學校長會議真正的認識因為他終究是一個也是一個國際移動的一個能力嘛那以我們現在的做法是我們在這個雙贏這裡邊如果系所沒有採集這一個陰天的能力的話我們事實上是會減少補助的一些經費也就是說"},{"start":3116.795,"end":3137.361,"text":"学校怎么在看待人才培育上是你减少补助你光是看这个各系所谓的抢学薪直接给你砍半表示你的补助比不上学生入学的动机度这个就可以显示出来而且教育部不但强调双语可是每一次都告诉我们你每次都告诉我们大学里面你开了多少全英文的课程"},{"start":3138.081,"end":3159.309,"text":"我说实在,大学教授在这边,我们自己也当过大学教授,除了上来这边,我们就是为了符合教育部的一个规准,然后呢,连一些根本不需要,甚至有很多时候,走过去的话,老师的英文也不怎么样,可是他跟学生用中文沟通,然后英文给你用教材,会给你几个reference是英文的,然后就可以把它算成这叫做英语教学,你难道不晓得这样子一个乱象吗,部长?"},{"start":3160.697,"end":3174.871,"text":"不是每個學校都跟你中山大學推版英文推行的這麼好啦我們在這個分市有不定期的去訪視去查核的我是覺得學生的認知很重要學生能夠了解的內容很重要不要為了要雙語可是你又拿不出對策然後又拿這個不正確的不出然後來"},{"start":3178.614,"end":3202.054,"text":"我們這個部分我們再繼續來加強我當然是要繼續加強在我們這個所謂的我們的審預算是會好好的最後兩秒鐘我只告訴你這個亂象從過去到現在都有不要為了獨尊這個所謂的雙語但是有關於雙語所造成為了拿到補助而讓我們整個教學的現場變成非常的混亂而且非常ridiculous我覺得部長你真的不是只有仿事可以這是整個制度面的一個好好的檢討好不好"},{"start":3203.375,"end":3213.079,"text":"謝謝委員提醒好謝謝好非常感謝柯志恩委員的質詢請官員回座接下來有請林怡瑾委員進行詢答謝主席有請鄭部長好請鄭部長"},{"start":3235.339,"end":3250.655,"text":"委員好曾部長早記得今天那麼多大學校長來到我們立法院的機會本席想要在這裡跟部長討論一下大學性評會的人力的問題喔自從那個性別平等教育法實施後"},{"start":3251.636,"end":3271.144,"text":"那隨著整個的性別意識抬頭那很多這個孩子或很多這個人士都勇於對外求助所以校園性評會的收到的性評案件是越來越多這麼多的案件我覺得勢必要有充足的人力才可以來處理這些相關的業務可是我們來縱觀各個大專院校的性評會的承辦人員的人力"},{"start":3276.426,"end":3303.52,"text":"還有不少學校是一位承辦人那必須面對上千名的學生的業務那本席在上一次的預算詢問的時候就我曾經提過大專院校的性評會的現況是人才招募困難專業性不足還有人員的更迭頻繁那所以根本沒辦法累積經驗喔那尤其很多學校的這個承辦人員不是專職喔那他可能是兼辦"},{"start":3304.46,"end":3319.654,"text":"那所以他本來就有自己的學校的業務讓他來兼辦這個性評會的工作那所以我想這個兼辦的狀況當然他又要處理這個申訴的案件他這個流程又那麼繁雜"},{"start":3320.675,"end":3347.384,"text":"可是事情要快結束整個事情要在兩個月內處理完畢所以如果只有一個所謂的兼辦的承辦人員在處理我覺得這個其實一定會忙到焦頭爛額所以本席了解教育部之前有意識到這個問題所以你們在2024年底有函景大專院校可以用學務創新工作專業人力這個專案來增加這個禁用性評會的承辦員"},{"start":3349.065,"end":3350.546,"text":"可是根據媒體的報導去年中的調查只有五個學校我們大專院校只有五個學校有照做"},{"start":3358.162,"end":3374.931,"text":"學生團體有指出很多學校在分配校內創新專業人力的時候其實在性別平等工作常常都搶不到員額我想請教部長是教育部最近一次來盤點大專院校性評會的"},{"start":3379.814,"end":3405.265,"text":"承辦人力到底有幾個有幾層是專職人員那多少是兼職那教育部現在是呼籲大學要用這個學務創新工作專業人力這個計畫來經費來去支撐可是每間學校我覺得他調配人力有他的各個考量那這筆經費如果用在其他的學務人力那性平位的人力"},{"start":3405.945,"end":3420.731,"text":"也只能自籌經費來因應所以我想這個性平衡會的這個承辦人員比較是很要緊所以對於經費取捨這部分那教育部要如何協助學校那還是有其他的補助的方式"},{"start":3422.299,"end":3437.959,"text":"跟委員報告我們目前的調查全國的大專教育院裡面的這個專職的這個人力專職的大概四成那當然我們教育對陳如委員剛才所提的我們確實教育部從今年開始也"},{"start":3438.86,"end":3458.919,"text":"就寬烈經會來支持學校在校安人力裡邊能夠也能夠聘姓評的一個專職人我想我們所有的公立大學校院長也都在這裡他們也都聽到我也利用這個機會跟委員做一個利用這個機會來做宣示我想學校的一個姓評的一個推動"},{"start":3459.56,"end":3486.914,"text":"就像就是一個最好的人權教育的一個起點如果我們連性平都沒有辦法做好我想校園裡面我們在談人權教育那是言不求語所以在這個部分我們未來教育部會把它列入一個重點也會寬烈經會也希望我們各大學校院的校長也能夠共同來重視這一個性平工作的一個推動確保我們學生的一個許多的這些受教權以及人權上的一些維護"},{"start":3488.035,"end":3514.79,"text":"好 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我們也多次表達那學習歷程基本上呢我們表達了你們沒有認同但我們希望你的精進方案還是要出來我最後要再講"},{"start":6465.627,"end":6475.635,"text":"剛剛有許多委員在關心的電子煙進入到校園現在國小驚人發現全班七個國小七個有電子煙"},{"start":6477.557,"end":6495.794,"text":"我也要跟所有在座的教育工作者尤其是部長最近新聞還在報導我們相關泌尿科的醫師講20年的從業經驗前面18年關於梅毒這樣子的患者"},{"start":6497.219,"end":6525.449,"text":"沒有這兩年加起來的多我們的校園、煤毒、電子煙、毒品這些相關的問題我真的要拜託我每一次在教育部在這邊質詢一直在講教育部都說有我們加強溝通加強宣導加強教育但是實際還是沒辦法防範每年不管校園暴力、毒品甚至是煙甚至是這樣子的煤毒還是逐漸攀升我們真的要痛丁吃通要想辦法處理這件事情最後"},{"start":6526.189,"end":6548.428,"text":"拜託你 我們台中隊啊 多照顧一下有任何需要的 我會再轉達他們的一個需求我想桃園這個案例 我們一定會詳細的來追查就以上補充好 謝謝好 謝謝羅廷維委員的質詢也請部長 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委員之前指導很多我也特別跟行政院主委院長報告過那院長也支持我們現在行政程序爭取一個這個屬於運動場館的一個專案請部長你努力的爭取你看一下這個統計資料就知道說光是小面積就4000多處大面積有1200多處"},{"start":7247.721,"end":7260.531,"text":"很多學校其實他也知道說我們教育部我們要給這麼多的學校有時候在經費上他們爭取比較困難他們就會一直用很克難的方式在維持我最近才跟一個校長聊他們學校的狀況他學校有1000個學生算是規模蠻大的學校但是他們的"},{"start":7264.934,"end":7279.661,"text":"活動中心的冷氣設備已經是30年的每次用都跳電所以他們每次開冷氣就要有一個人顧在主機只要跳電就再按一下跳電就再按一下然後下雨天會漏水會漏電這樣子再怎麼勤儉持家其實還是要顧慮到安全"},{"start":7280.661,"end":7295.911,"text":"謝謝委員關心我們國教的一個教育品質跟環境上設施上的一個品質我這些這將近兩年來也確實走訪了各縣市的學校我也看了很多所以也感謝我們這個卓院長的一個支持我想"},{"start":7296.331,"end":7324.025,"text":"大家的看法都跟委員的看法是一致的我們積極來改善學校的這些社會我們是希望給孩子一個比較安全的活動空間我希望你們可以很重視這個問題好 以上謝謝主席 謝謝部長好 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編一筆的錢補助大學的報名費讓那些經濟比較不好的學生不用因為錢不夠而放棄了他想要申請的學校我不知道教育部可不可以啊是不是來不及回應的問題剛才在談的那個國英的這一個部分我們跟大考中心來再研議什麼時候可以答這一個中心"},{"start":11295.066,"end":11318.444,"text":"中低收入戶的這個現有的制度就有補助那中低收入戶啦這個經濟包括偏鄉的我們事實上有交通補助還有報名我現在我們要平權啦就像你補助私立大學補助高中的私立的學費你也沒有中低收入戶嘛我們講的是平權啦整體不是中低收入戶好不好這兩個都一個月給我一個回應好不好一個月給回應好不好好謝謝"},{"start":11322.326,"end":11331.433,"text":"好謝謝月圓之委員有增加4分鐘好那請部長回座那下一位我們有請吳佩奕委員進行詢答謝謝主席我請教育部政要部長請鄭部長備詢"},{"start":11349.929,"end":11367.019,"text":"委員好部長好今天是4月的最後一天那我們終於要開始來審查今年的預算那雖然有部分委員他們有提案一個先行動之但是我一直在關注也是教育部的新興的這個預算叫做無人載具產業發展統籌型計劃並沒有在這個先行動之的提案當中你們請教育部來說明這個無人載具產業發展統籌型計劃的內容是什麼"},{"start":11377.346,"end":11382.568,"text":"我們從2015到2017有一個三年的計畫總共有將近50億48.93億今年總共編了9.3億就是希望用來培養我們從小學到大學裡面的無人載具的許多的一些科普的學習跟競賽然後還有無人載具的許多"},{"start":11404.795,"end":11417.021,"text":"的操作應用基礎科學知識包含研發這個我們希望從不同的教育階段有不同的一些教育的一些能力的培養跟目標也希望能夠因為這樣包含帶動台灣的這些無人機的一個科技產業能夠蓬勃發展我想"},{"start":11423.664,"end":11442.633,"text":"不僅在人才培育包括產業的升級就業機會包含國家安全上的環務我想我們是在這個部分配合國家的總體的一個產業的這個發展這個跟國家安全的一個政策我們全力在做這樣的一個人才培育的規劃"},{"start":11443.453,"end":11447.517,"text":"是 這個計畫我們非常支持因為無人機產業是台灣本土很重要的新興產業而且蓬勃發展還在成長當中那麼我們趕快來進行基礎人才的培育所以你們這個計畫的預算不只是到大專院校高中以下包括教學的無人載具的採購或是課程的設計培育的資源等等的"},{"start":11465.834,"end":11472.758,"text":"這我覺得非常的重要所以我現在就很擔心因為這個計畫到現在還沒有被審查嘛那馬上要開始審查預算了所以我希望今天能夠讓教育部來多加的說明未來你們也要多去溝通我們很希望這個計畫可以趕快能夠到我們的這個校園裡面可以開始來使用到那因為呢我看了這個科技民主社會研究中心DCET它的報告就是在講說我們的無人機的出口"},{"start":11490.868,"end":11517.659,"text":"我們近幾年出口大幅成長到什麼程度呢我們一年呢2024到2025年一年成長35倍這是相當驚人的這個成長然後呢這個主要市場在哪裡歐洲市場主要在波蘭捷克我正好去年我們國會外交訪問團我也到了波蘭捷克一趟真的大家都對於台灣的軍工產業的合作是興趣非常之高那再來呢它持續攀升當中光是今年的第一季就已經超越去年一整年的總額"},{"start":11519.48,"end":11523.082,"text":"所以產業的發展是可以預期的我們希望教育部我們擔負的這個產業人才也是我們基礎的這個科學人才培育的重責大任我們希望這個計畫可以來這個順利的來進行所以我剛剛講這個無人機產業的未來它已經不是一個觀念或概念它是一個明確的需求"},{"start":11540.794,"end":11566.397,"text":"看到了這個2026年就今年1月歐洲議會他們提出的報告就呼籲要跟台灣深化在民主還有非紅無人機供應鏈上的合作那美國呢今年的財年國防授權法案甚至國防部是明定了要跟台灣來進行合作包含了研發跟生產所以這個未來我們是看得見的現在就是人才的培育我們要趕快開始而且要加速的來做"},{"start":11567.438,"end":11573.38,"text":"那為什麼要特別提這個計畫因為我們部長知道現在立法院正在協商的一個很重要就是我們行政院1.25兆的這個軍購的這個條例法案那增值當中一個爭議點就是無人機目前在野黨有一個3800億的這個提案或者是8000億的提案在這兩個提案當中無人機產業都是會被擋掉的"},{"start":11593.806,"end":11622.218,"text":"那我們從烏鶴戰爭裡面看到無人載具佔了非常關鍵的影響力所以全世界現在都要用的就是非紅的無人機載具非紅的軍工產業鏈而台灣在這個時候進場就是我們最好的時機所以呢我們相當的擔心這一筆教育部的這個無人機的這個計畫之所以沒有在先行動之案裡面我擔心它不是偶然它也許是刻意的"},{"start":11623.118,"end":11635.943,"text":"也許就有人也想把我們這計畫擋下來所以我覺得人才的培育很重要這個時候政治歸政治教育歸教育政治歸政治經濟歸經濟這是我們產業的未來我們的這些人才年輕世代未來的就業機會"},{"start":11641.385,"end":11656.619,"text":"他可能因此被犧牲他們能夠受到的這個培育也可能因此被犧牲所以要拜託部長還有一點時間能不能多加的跟我們立法院的委員們大家來溝通我相信大家對於人產的培育應當都是有所共識謝謝委員提醒這我們應該要做的"},{"start":11658.5,"end":11685.577,"text":"接下來還有一點時間我要很關注的是也要謝謝我們召委安排了兩場公聽會一個是性平教育一個是實驗教育的公聽會在這個公聽會當中有一個我很關注的議題有很多人提出來就是我們的性平業務承辦人在第一線實務上所遇到的困境我們台灣是2004年立了性平教育法之後現在各校都要設立性平會"},{"start":11687.298,"end":11695.968,"text":"但是一直到現在在我們的大專院校裡面性平成半人專職的人力不到六成"},{"start":11698.102,"end":11716.47,"text":"那他們反映的狀況是什麼呢第一個就是說各校的人員配置不同有的配置在秘書處有的在學府中心那有的甚至是新府中心其他的單位那麼再來就是說這個案量其實很大很多學校的承辦人員可能只有一位但是他要承辦的案量遠超出一個人力所能負荷那同時剛剛講到因為沒有專職人力的問題"},{"start":11723.773,"end":11728.718,"text":"時常這一位性平成半人他還要再去兼任他所在的這個單位的其他行政業務所以這個負荷是超過的那第三個是性平案件的成半人因為目前我們並沒有這個特殊的專業資格的這個限制"},{"start":11740.808,"end":11760.151,"text":"但是他是在學校裡面我們這些受害的學生常常不管是性侵或性騷受害人他是幫我們第一手接觸他們的人所以他相關的專業的訓練包括了心理上面的支持跟支援目前在學校裡面是相當缺少的"},{"start":11760.652,"end":11767.199,"text":"那教育部我看了2025年嘛你們有做了一個調查的報告有關於我們在學校裡面新府承辦人的這個調查我想部長你對於在校園裡面新評會的承辦人目前的狀況有沒有有所了解"},{"start":11774.773,"end":11798.461,"text":"是的 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謝謝接下來有請伍麗華委員質詢好 謝謝主席請大家安靜用餐耳朵打開就可以了謝謝好 謝謝主席可能要耽誤一下部長用餐時間有請部長有請教育部部長"},{"start":12027.935,"end":12041.934,"text":"委員好部長好您辛苦了我們今天很高興終於可以安排教育部115年度總預算的一個詢答那下下一次可能是預算的審查"},{"start":12043.155,"end":12064.31,"text":"今天站在這裡其實並不是要談預算補助款的多寡而是要談一個族群的未來國家的未來那今天好不容易我們很有幸看到來自全國各地全國的國立大專院校的校長在我們當中我們也都知道"},{"start":12064.89,"end":12081.107,"text":"依據原教法的第25條要成立一個原資中心截至目前為止全國不分公司力所有的大專院校都已經設置原資中心那他的任務呢包括生活的輔導課業的輔導就業的輔導生涯的發展甚至呢也有設置要點"},{"start":12088.354,"end":12112.816,"text":"我進入到立法院六年半從過去原資中心是兼任的助理到要求有專任的助理後來每多兩百位學生再加一個專任助理又修訂為每多一百位原住民學生就多一個專任助理甚至也要求到希望這些助理他們的薪水能夠比照國科會的標準"},{"start":12113.937,"end":12138.972,"text":"那為什麼我們這麼有底氣來要求教育部我想公布一個數字因為我們可以看到我們原住民學生跟一般生的初在學率幼兒園 國教都沒有問題 都在1%以內到了高中也沒有太大的問題 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這個經費什麼時候編列什麼時候可以開始上路這個部分經費部長已經指示說我們就全力來支持這個部分可以用我們自己經費就可以來協助那我們會找原民會來合作 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謝謝主席"},{"start":12737.999,"end":12743.243,"text":"現在我們先處理臨時提案今天有委員提出臨時提案議案請宣讀"},{"start":12749.127,"end":12768.519,"text":"因此提案 案有略以鑒於我國校園偷拍事件頻傳犯嫌幾乎都是潛入校園廁所或是校園死角 四季偷拍時有補強各級學校監視系統設備之必要為國教署今年提出之補助高級中等以下學校執行強化校園安全防護工作實施計畫"},{"start":12770.305,"end":12786.058,"text":"最高補助金額上限僅有十萬元確實不足教育部作為中央教育主管機關卻有責任保障全國學生校內安全原提案要求教育部應以一個月內盤點全國各級學校實際需求統計實際所需經費"},{"start":12789.942,"end":12804.492,"text":"立即編列專案補助經費裝設監視設備借此嚇阻校園社囊提升校園安全提案人羅廷偉、柯志恩、羅志強、萬美玲、黃孟楷宣讀完畢"},{"start":12810.548,"end":12825.978,"text":"今天的提案委員是羅美玲委員但是 萬美玲委員對不起公報修正一下萬美玲委員是提案委員因為按照規定我們要三人在場"},{"start":12828.921,"end":12848.002,"text":"報告召委我想因為在教文其實我待了十二個會期也擔任過召委那我們是有這樣子一個默契說要三位委員在場不過今天的這一案是因為其實事實上以規範來講我們這個是已經成案了因為我們也有相關的委員人數簽名也都是足夠這是第一點"},{"start":12848.622,"end":12871.024,"text":"那第二個部分是因為跟召委報告這一案其實它有急迫的時效性也非常的重要因為我們在最近這一兩年尤其是在去年年底我們在全國各地發生了很多嚴重的偷拍事件受害者如果陸陸續續算起來數百人所以本席才趕快跟我們教文所有的委員大家提了這個案子"},{"start":12871.624,"end":12886.385,"text":"那也跟教育部做過溝通我想是不是有請召委在召委的權限內能夠讓我們像今天的這個案子讓這個責請這個教育部能夠來召案辦理我想應該是在這個法規的規定上面是沒有問題的所以這個請召委來做一個裁示好嗎"},{"start":12888.676,"end":12910.491,"text":"好 謝謝萬美玲委員那我剛剛有請教我們的議事人員因為目前就是三個要件就是提案委員要在 聯署委員要在然後還要依照我們的組織法的第十條說要不足三人則不得決議所以目前按照我們的議事規則有這樣的規定那不曉得萬美玲委員如果您急迫的話有沒有可能"},{"start":12916.096,"end":12935.778,"text":"我們剛才聽到第三條是說不得決議那我們是不是能夠把這一案在這裡容我還是把這個案子來跟教育部這邊我們做一個說明討論那如果說因為剛剛提的是不得決議那我們尊重那我們就不要做成一個決議但是我把這個案子我想我們做一個初步的討論這樣好不好"},{"start":12936.499,"end":12953.71,"text":"好謝謝莊委那我們就列入公報記錄可以嗎可以可以是不是我可以簡單的給我一個一分鐘跟教育部做一個說明我們簡單討論一下我想這個案子跟教育部討論過幾次了因為校園偷拍的案件本席等一下也會質詢蠻嚴重的所以本席也希望說過去"},{"start":12958.393,"end":12976.814,"text":"其实就在我们教委吴立华委员也在的时候教育部其实提过很多的专案包括冷气专案校园跑到操场更新专案或者是我们的老旧厕所的一个专案等等那这些专案都是要为了让我们的孩子在校园里面的学习更安全然后更有一些保障等等"},{"start":12977.475,"end":13001.859,"text":"那所以這一次因為我們發生了很多校園重大的這個偷拍事件受害者無數所以我們希望說教育部是不是能夠在一個月之內我們去盤點在我們各縣市裡面的各學校有一些校園的死角我們去把它去化去除能夠這個增加監視器的一個這個經費或者專案下去讓我們在這個校園死角的部分可以"},{"start":13002.239,"end":13023.237,"text":"慢慢慢慢来做减少不敢说一次到位所以今天特别把这个临时提案提出来那但是呢因为我们其实很多的委员都是赞成跟同意的可是可能没有去注意到今天他们应该都要留下来所以以上是不是能够请教育部来参着这样的案子那待会呢我用质询的方式来把这个临时提案把它提出来这样子教育部"},{"start":13024.992,"end":13053.211,"text":"沒有問題我想這個議題確實我們萬委員過去也關心很多我們也討論很多我們全力來支持來配合來盡速的把這個全國來做盤點然後也編列這個專案補助的經會中央跟地方來合作我想這個增加校園的安全讓學生能夠更安心的在校園裡面學習活動我想這是應該"},{"start":13054.111,"end":13075.94,"text":"好 謝謝唯一只有一個因為剛剛我們討論是說我希望一個月內我們把它盤點出來但教育部希望兩個月但我要提醒一下因為現在已經要到五月了公文下去以後如果要到兩個月的話我們會來不及暑假施工那麼我們要知道今天我們剛剛提的部分是跟校慶運動會有關係那九月馬上就要迎來開學的校慶運動會所以本席希望"},{"start":13076.3,"end":13099.376,"text":"我們還是以一個月為目標那請教育部那責成各教育局處事我們盡力去做真有一點延遲那沒有關係我們分階段去完成就好好不好好謝謝好那我們下次就請教育部來列席的時候萬委員可以再提出那剛剛討論的過程呢我們都列入公報記錄好謝謝謝謝朝委謝謝好接下來有請萬美玲委員進行詢答"},{"start":13110.267,"end":13113.161,"text":"好 謝謝主席 我們有請部長好 請部長備詢"},{"start":13123.827,"end":13146.967,"text":"好 謝謝部長我想我在這裡要非常正式也非常的沉重提出今天要質詢的議題就是關於這個校園偷拍的問題我們都知道其實校園對所有的孩子來說應該是一個不管它是科業的學習多元的發展最重要的一個場域但是這幾年我們看到真的是校安亮了一些紅燈起來因為校園的偷拍事件可以說層出不窮"},{"start":13147.748,"end":13171.583,"text":"那我舉幾個例子讓大家去想一想回憶看看這些案例第一個在台南當時有一名男大生從2022年11月開始陸續潛入多所高中的校園女廁來偷拍女學生上廁所那麼直到2023年再度犯案又潛入某一所高中來偷拍那麼因為當時他按照閃光燈被發現才落網那抓到以後不得了"},{"start":13171.963,"end":13187.397,"text":"原來遭到這個嫌犯的被害者竟然高達184位那去年陸陸續續開始台中有一名女大生在學校上廁所的時候她自己懷疑可能會被人家偷拍了結果果不其然"},{"start":13187.998,"end":13217.501,"text":"他報校安之後學校透過監視器發現這一名男大生躲在教室裡面看到有女學生去廁所就尾隨於是也進行了偷拍同樣在去年我們在桃園有某一個國小犯嫌利用放學以後的時間潛入校園躲在廁所裡面去等待後來有一名女學生發現後告訴老師報警也逮到了在去年底到今年初更是非常大的案件也就是說"},{"start":13218.041,"end":13243.117,"text":"有一名我称他叫做运动会之狼我们都知道运动会校庆或者园游会的时候是我们需要我们希望很多的家长都可以来学校去了解去参与陪伴孩子的成长但这时候其实可能就有很多外校的陌生人就可以趁机进到校园里面来所以从去年底到现在有很多的县市多所学校"},{"start":13243.957,"end":13271.121,"text":"被这一名我所称他运动会之狼啊潜入学校以后来进行偷拍那受害的学校非常非常的多那受害的学生数百位我觉得我们看到从刚才我提到大学也好高中也好到国小也好这个偷拍啊真的非常的可怕而且一旦这些孩子受害我觉得身心受创真的需要很大的这个力量啊才能够去抚平啊"},{"start":13271.641,"end":13299.045,"text":"所以部長這幾年來我剛剛本席所提的不論大學高中小學發生的這些事情教育部有沒有注意到這個問題謝謝委員關心這個學生的這個受教權益的一個維護確實這一個校園的一個視角包含剛才廁所的委員所提的廁所偷拍等等我們都長期有在協助學校一起在改善許多的校園視角增加校園的更加的安全"},{"start":13299.565,"end":13323.058,"text":"那委員所關心的確實也點出了一個問題就是說學校本來在校慶或者運動會或者研遊會許多活動希望能夠家長更多了解學校的一個辦學小孩子到底在學校是學怎麼樣學習的這本來是好事但是也確實因為這樣就變成有更多的一些人多那可能就"},{"start":13323.878,"end":13351.553,"text":"挑戰就增加了所以部長看起來其實您了解這個問題點所在但是我們既然了解了以後我也看到其實國教署在110年的時候就曾經發文給各縣市教育局處那也指出說關於偷拍事件衍生的校園安全我們要趕快來強化等等所以這逐漸這幾年前就開始有這樣的一個狀況那教育部也有知道但我覺得說不是只有提醒要求或督導我們應該"},{"start":13352.814,"end":13361.283,"text":"實際給予一些幫忙所以有沒有在經費上面或是各項政策上面我們有給所有各級學校給予實質的幫助"},{"start":13362.219,"end":13380.646,"text":"跟委員報告我們確實是有年度都有編列預算的當然因為以小姐來講全國有兩千六百多所他當然沒有辦完一次但我們逐年都有但以委員這一次所特別關注的因為量看起來一直在大量的一個增加我們怎麼樣去強化這個我們願意來做專案的一個經費"},{"start":13383.387,"end":13400.621,"text":"我也要肯定國教署啦但一方面我還是覺得做得不夠啦就國教署在今年也有提出了一個補助高級中等學校去執行校園安全的等等的一個計畫那這個計畫補助的項目可以包括緊急的求助系統啦校園死角的照明設備啦電子圍籬啦監視器等等喔"},{"start":13402.823,"end":13422.318,"text":"項目看起來很豐富我們也的確想做那不過呢這個規定是每一所學校也不超過新台幣十萬元為原則那其餘的部分可能就要各校來自籌那於是呢很多的校長都跟本席說自籌的籌是發籌的籌是籌眉苦臉的籌所以我希望在這個部分"},{"start":13423.018,"end":13437.9,"text":"我們中央地方一起來合作我們一定要讓校園是一個安全的所在那所以呢本席希望就剛剛林體有提出來今天在這質詢特別講那我們在這個校園進出不論是廁所可能是現在"},{"start":13438.601,"end":13467.481,"text":"大量犯案都在廁所還有一些相關的死角那教育部應該要能夠不管是盤點我們全國高級中等以下學校那這個裝飾監視設備的需求那本席希望能夠用專案補助的方式來做那這個專案補助計畫剛才謝謝部長我們在臨時提案當中也有得到部長的一個承諾那但是唯一就是本席希望在一個月內能夠完成那這個部分部長能不能夠再具體承諾一下"},{"start":13468.141,"end":13492.661,"text":"我想我們同意來一個院內來全國這個跟地方來合作來全面來盤點然後這裡邊除了硬體的改善以外我想學校也怎麼樣因應這一個慶典有更多人的到學校來能夠有一些志工能夠加強許多的洗腳跟廁所的一個這個形式我想這些都是有助於校園安全的"},{"start":13492.981,"end":13515.067,"text":"那當然所以我想一個月內我們來做那另外我想今天在場因為還有很多我們國立大學的校長在嘛那我想在大學的校園內剛才本席也講了其實陸續也有發生這樣的一個狀況那我們不希望這個情況演變成這個越來越嚴重那剛剛本席所說的這個案子其實受害的學校非常的多受害的女童也非常的多那甚至於到後面這個運動會之狼"},{"start":13517.028,"end":13537.947,"text":"其實還做出了很多我覺得令人髮指的事情所以本系也希望我們在現場的校長也能夠顧及我們學生的隱私但是也要注重我們學校裡面校園安全的死角如果有必要的話我想我們的這個校安基金等等那以及我們學校的經費我想這一塊也請各校長來注意那最後"},{"start":13538.407,"end":13565.229,"text":"我呼應一下剛才我們部長所說的那其實本席在桃園我也擔任整個家長會長協會的理事長那我們現在在桃園我們也發起了就是校安志工隊的招募我們希望在大型活動當中那我們也可以有這些志工夥伴們搭配我們的監視器搭配我們的巡邏可以讓我們的校園是真正的這個安全的那最後我希望教育部可以責成跟我們各縣市的教育局處針對我們將來受害的學生在輔導"},{"start":13568.191,"end":13584.224,"text":"跟法律上面的協助教育部也要有角色可以嗎可以好謝謝好謝謝萬美玲委員的質詢請部長署長回座現在有請陳昭資委員進行詢答謝謝主席有請部長好再次請部長上備巡台"},{"start":13606.962,"end":13616.151,"text":"我想請你看一下以下這兩張圖片你覺得這頭影上這兩個作品部長你覺得是兩個作品是一樣的還是不一樣的"},{"start":13619.814,"end":13635.781,"text":"對不起因為從這個圖片我還真的比較沒有辦法好沒問題從不同角度照部長我必須說這兩張就是一樣的這是我前一陣子收到這個民眾的陳情事情發生在花蓮縣的一所國中"},{"start":13636.661,"end":13660.095,"text":"因為理性的老師帶領學生參加比賽獲獎了但獲獎之後老師就把原來學生作品修改了一些些又換了一批學生然後重複再投稿到另外一個比賽請問部長科展比賽可不可以一稿多投一魚多吃呢甚至更換參賽者學生的名單繼續參加繼續得獎我們制度允不允許這樣的做事的方法"},{"start":13660.953,"end":13682.192,"text":"基本上如果完全一樣當然是不允許的這有這個學術倫理上的一些問題嘛但是就科技上來講我不太清楚我不談這個個案但是科技有許多的技術是一段一段的在突破的那這個東西還是要回到專家裡面來做判定"},{"start":13682.792,"end":13683.773,"text":"不講我們再來看一些規定"},{"start":13713.173,"end":13722.3,"text":"但花蓮縣教育處他是這樣回答的他說這是不同類型的比賽所以因此沒有撤銷得獎資格那部長您覺得這個說法合理嗎如果真的是相同的一個前提它是真的完全是複製我認為是不宜的不應該謝謝部長這也是我所認識的您就是說不同類型的這個比賽"},{"start":13740.615,"end":13748.2,"text":"因為如果這個行為可以接受那全國的學生會怎麼理解呢是不是只要修改一點點然後就可以變成新的作品然後繼續投稿在不同的地方去參加不同類型的競賽這樣就一直投稿一直比賽一直獲獎那就沒有發明了沒有發明這個字眼部長我們繼續看本案經陳情人來陳情花蓮縣政府複審後他給出一個結果他把該作品定調為延續性作品也就是說在既有得獎基礎上進行改作"},{"start":13773.257,"end":13785.768,"text":"我想請教部長如果是屬於既有的作品改作是否就應該適用全國賽檢章第7.2.3條作品更新性之規定因為那該條規定是這樣他說參賽時應該主動揭露原得獎的紀錄並檢附作品改良的說明書"},{"start":13793.695,"end":13805.389,"text":"那請問該作品在參加台灣選拔賽的時候有沒有主動接入請教部長如果沒有依規定來接入的話那是不是還符合參賽的資格呢是不是要撤回他的這個銅牌獎項呢"},{"start":13809.454,"end":13830.608,"text":"我想如果從這一個辦法來確實你做了改良我剛剛講科技不是一夜之間就忽然到位它是發展性的不斷的在突破創新那這一個如果你是延續前面的作品必須要在作品上做一個清楚的說明我覺得這是應該的基本的態度"},{"start":13831.148,"end":13859.907,"text":"基本上就是我們兩個原則談到倫理學嘛一個叫基本的揭露嘛你在一個作品基礎上去做改正或是更進步但是你要說明嘛要說明那如果這些資訊都沒有的話那就會出現整個在校園的一些程序或倫理問題所以我想請部長清楚承諾兩件事第一個針對本案是否重新調查包含學術倫理包含參賽資格的部分這第一點可以嗎就做這些民眾的陳情的部分"},{"start":13861.343,"end":13866.669,"text":"我們可以事後來瞭解好我再把詳細資訊給您第二個未來只要涉及那個作品高度相似或是抄襲爭議如果經常確實是屬於高度相似或不當使用別人的創作是否就撤銷獎項而且規定說你不能夠再重複投稿比賽可以嗎這兩個重點"},{"start":13881.727,"end":13911.287,"text":"如果他真的是違反了一些該有的規範他本來行這個法令程序行政程序也應該要依依這個措施謝謝部長部長因為我覺得這件事是很重要因為我們教導孩子什麼叫誠信行為所以麻煩部長是不是一個月需要大概一個月內可以給這個案子的回覆嗎那我可以請助理給聯絡人就是說相關的這個資料因為我們不能讓小孩子以為規則是可以任憑解釋誠信是可以被取代的好嗎"},{"start":13911.927,"end":13930.34,"text":"就麻煩這個委員這個會後把這個資料給我們讓我們更深入的來瞭解拿到資料之後就麻煩一個月內給我們一個回覆謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝陳昭志委員非常的守實謝謝部長現在有請張雅玲委員進行詢答謝謝主席我們有請部長"},{"start":13940.612,"end":13941.015,"text":"有請部長備詢"},{"start":13949.656,"end":13977.43,"text":"委員好好部長好我今天還是要跟部長來討論兩個問題來一個就是特教的部分第二個是實驗教育的部分就是說其實我從之前今年一月的時候就有在詢問就是我們關於特教加級回溯的部分因為其實我們在去年大家都非常努力而各黨各派都有共識幫我們的教師爭取相關的加級回溯但是我們在特教加級卻是沒有跟大家同步我們是在今年二月才開始其他的"},{"start":13978.41,"end":14005.548,"text":"導師加擠終點費都是9月1號然後這個部分你們說要再跟縣市協調嘛對不對那我想要今天再來關心一下我們現在協調的進度是什麼謝謝委員關心初步地方政府在兩次的協調跟大家的聯繫共識上大家在這方向是支持的那當然還有一些程序是不允許我們完成之後再正式大概什麼時候可以定案呢現在我們還要再報行政院對"},{"start":14006.849,"end":14020.357,"text":"好所以大概就是等行政院這邊是嗎是是好了解謝謝好那再下一個部分就是回到我一直都很關心的關於實驗教育的部分就是說我們之前其實在召委的這個召集之下我們開了實驗三法的這個公聽會"},{"start":14023.799,"end":14036.153,"text":"但是大家其實有非常非常多的意見特別是說我想要先問請教部長一個問題就是說我們看到學校形態的實驗教育有將近一半是在偏鄉或非山非市地區"},{"start":14038.816,"end":14067.508,"text":"等於是說我們有一半的地方都是集中在這些地區那特別是我再來看到是說如果是學校的話絕對數量最多是在屏東有10校雲林9校新北跟花蓮各有8校但剛好都是少子化壓力很大的區域所以我想要問一下這樣子的分佈到底是為了少子化求生存避免這個病校或是裁校的壓力還是說真的是有認真的在做我們的"},{"start":14068.348,"end":14088.245,"text":"教育創新呢因為當時我們在做實驗教育的時候其實有一個理想就是說如果在這邊有一些創新的教育方式是可以把它擴展到公共教育的體制內的教育那我們對於這件事情的掌握我們對於這些學校有沒有確實的在做這些創新的部分實驗的部分教育部的掌握是什麼"},{"start":14094.476,"end":14108.215,"text":"目前這些學校所提示我們目前進行的實驗教育他的方案內容是經過審查分為有計劃也有規範上的審查在計畫面因為經過學者專家他有特定的教育理念這一類的"},{"start":14109.056,"end":14130.383,"text":"我跟委員報告我們是有信心目前做的這個實驗教育本身上在理念上在實踐上是有它的特色的那但是我們也同時還是要繼續做訪視評鑑那在地方政府全面的這個努力下我們也逐期去對委員的共識或是我們也找專案委託單位在協助相關的審議的共識上也拉拉齊謝謝"},{"start":14134.304,"end":14156.041,"text":"我想先問一下,所以我們做了十年之後,我們到底有哪些東西是可以沿用到公共體制內的教育?我們有盤點嗎?如果說都做得很好的話各位報告,最明顯的應該是屬於他們的課程、教學以及評量上的創新所以有多少體制內的學校運用了?這些沒關係,因為這個資料再提供給我好不好,因為我還有下一題要問"},{"start":14156.901,"end":14168.024,"text":"這資料提供給我因為剛剛因為其實署長也有提到有關於評鑑的部分在這次的公聽會裡面大家也提到評鑑因為我們現在在做這些評鑑的時候第一個是時間動輒審查動輒一到兩年然後這裡面的專業性也出現了一些反應就是說我們用一個非常標準化的制度來去審查這些非標準"},{"start":14184.809,"end":14206.504,"text":"應該要走實驗跟創新的教育體制那反而會讓那些可能為了通過評鑑而趨於保守然後降低了這個創新的動能所以我認為這個現在的評鑑制度上面似乎在專業度上面還需要持續的精進所以呢我想要問的就是說我們現在的評鑑制度理當應該是要為了我們的實驗教育創新來持續的去推進嘛對不對這個部長是認同的對不對"},{"start":14213.909,"end":14226.672,"text":"我講這個我完全同意那如果說今天平健制度沒有辦法回應我們多元教育的本質的話我們是不是可以邀請更多的團體一起來討論如何修正這個平健制度呢"},{"start":14227.485,"end":14251.019,"text":"這當然是可以的包含這些實驗學校他們一個校地籃球每年在換我想這我們都會一併請地方政府來協助我想就是針對這個評鑑制度上面我覺得是可以找我們的實驗教育相關的專家學者是不是可以就一起來討論那這邊是不是可以提供給我一個初步規劃我們大概接下來要怎麼做那是不是在一個月之內可以提供給我一個初步規劃呢"},{"start":14252,"end":14270.988,"text":"好那再下一個就是剛剛部長其實也有再借我一分鐘就好就是剛剛部長其實有提到場地的問題那的確是一個非常非常大的問題包含這個同心華德府他其實來找我陳情就是說他們剛當時從萬華遷到了文山文山又因為台北市政府說一些城市規劃建設等等的又必須再"},{"start":14272.429,"end":14296.998,"text":"再次遷移啦齁那其實我覺得這個會非常影響到教師的穩定性跟孩子學習的品質還有校務的運作其實都非常有實務的影響那我想請教一下齁因為這個其實還是會回到地方局處嘛到底願不願意來協助實驗教育取得場地但是如果今天我們一直都回到各縣市單位的時候那就會變成他一直在"},{"start":14298.079,"end":14313.775,"text":"遷移所以教育部這邊是不是可以有一個協助的機制呢來讓我們的場地取得更穩定是我想我們一定會跟地方政府來討論怎麼樣建立一個單一窗口而且以現在我所了解的這些實驗學校幾乎都是一年"},{"start":14315.056,"end":14336.211,"text":"簽約一次這對學校的一個永續經營跟喜多的創新理念的一個實踐事實上是傷害的這個我們會來跟地方討論出一個更積極的更好的一個支持的一個好的了解那我想今天時間有限那我們事後也再約我們部長跟署長再來討論說如何來協助好不好因為這個問題真是層出不窮謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員的質詢也請部長署長回座"},{"start":14344.414,"end":14367.449,"text":"洪孟凱委員 洪孟凱委員 洪孟凱委員不在楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員不在鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在賴世保委員 賴世保委員 賴世保委員不在賴慧園委員 賴慧園委員 賴慧園委員不在現在有請謝依鳳委員進行詢答"},{"start":14376.741,"end":14381.444,"text":"謝謝召委,我現在想請鄭部長有請鄭部長備詢部長早安我想請教一下2024年你說不要強迫非英語科的教師實施雙語教學可是"},{"start":14403.566,"end":14425.212,"text":"這是利益很好啊 因為有時候就是說怕我們一步一步的來做嘛就是說先從英語教學然後英語授課到未來有辦法用英語教授其他的學門這樣子那但是這引發了有一些老師他們過去他已經自費高強度的"},{"start":14426.332,"end":14452.528,"text":"來做雙語的訓練那但是現在在這樣子的政策轉向之後請問這樣子的雙語專業的老師未來他們的定位是怎麼樣的而且在考積獎勵以及超額提一波的時候會不會因為這樣子的政策沒有延續而導致他們的權益受損"},{"start":14453.718,"end":14480.197,"text":"跟委員報告我們其實當時就是說因為在雙語的英語英語老師用英文教學這是我們的期待嘛那其他的這一個主要的一個科目裡面我們並沒有明文規定但是如果老師他具有這個專業有這個能力也能夠用適當的一個教學方式去引導教導學生我想師生都能夠一個"},{"start":14482.284,"end":14511.284,"text":"能夠教一個能夠學我相信我們這是樂觀其成的不會去影響傷害到老師的教學權益對不是我是說那這些老師他們已經所以未來這個減班超額或者自費受訓去接受高強度的這樣子一個訓練那他們就是希望能夠在就是說不管是在各項的真實這個我們其實是心存感激的"},{"start":14511.764,"end":14514.768,"text":"老師願意智慧而且去強化他的一個專業有這種老師我們鼓掌我們感謝都來不及了不能心存感激啊 是不是不能只有心存感激因為我們雙語的"},{"start":14527.645,"end":14554.941,"text":"學校校長我相信在排課一定會讓他能夠有更大的一個專業上的發揮那有沒有更就是說制度化的在就是說升遷獎的方面你有什麼樣的規劃我們現在事實上有許多的國際交流包括中小學他們用線上的一個學習跟國外的學校的這一個所謂的夥伴學校事實上有很多的一些管道在讓老師能夠發揮他的本事"},{"start":14555.748,"end":14561.796,"text":"那是不是我是說在升遷跟獎勵方面能不能升遷獎勵這一個部分是不是請署長說明一下"},{"start":14566.87,"end":14594.228,"text":"如果一個學校超額減班的時候他能不能夠具有優先性可以留在學校或是相關的考機首先就考機來講學校他沒有比例的問題所以考機比較不用擔心至於學校的相關超額或是有一些比序縣市內他有一些機制他這一些不會在特定的科目上具有他特別的不優勢或是有特別被考慮"},{"start":14596.51,"end":14620.983,"text":"減班時的超額因為如果說像偏鄉偏鄉的學校我們需要英語的專業的老師其實我最近發現就是說縣市的中小學高中小都可能需要英語雙語以及AI相關的專業的老師那就這個部分"},{"start":14621.523,"end":14638.981,"text":"如果在這一種專長上面沒有給予特別的考量的時候那你知道嗎一般的這種專長的人不會想到偏鄉去那甚至我們必須要額外去去找就是聘請這樣子的老師那是不是"},{"start":14639.502,"end":14651.873,"text":"在這個部分教育部有可能考量未來對於專才能夠給予老師能夠優先到偏鄉或者是非六都以外的學校呢"},{"start":14652.995,"end":14681.21,"text":"對 剛剛委員所提的剛好最近走訪五個縣市大家都分別對於偏鄉的英語教學希望能夠攬財 留財這方面我們都有鼓勵的計畫包含補助他們興建宿舍 改善宿舍或是交通費 供聘時的交通費這些都有助於剛剛委員講的比較需求的人才的時候他需要有一個誘因那很多縣市都有這樣的一個共識目前我們從去年12月底開始就有這個計畫"},{"start":14682.33,"end":14707.171,"text":"那是不是能夠把這個計畫給您那是不是也請教一部參考一下因為我們現在在做這個相關的專業人才因為我們做了外國專業人才的延攬及雇用法的修正以後未來對於這樣雙語或者是AI的老師那到底能不能進入我們的國中小區任職這個部分"},{"start":14708.072,"end":14724.424,"text":"也請我們國教署也要進一步的做研擬好不好好的謝謝委員好的還有我還有一個就是說朝偉我再跟你借兩分鐘的時間就是國內的營建成本跟工資都在"},{"start":14725.589,"end":14753.911,"text":"持續的飆漲啦那對於我們這樣子偏鄉的學校爭取到老舊校舍的重建補助可是因為單價過低可能都沒有辦法招標順利喔那未來是不是能夠調漲或者是對於偏鄉的這樣子的一個校舍的這個補助的這個工程如果流標有專案協助的機制呢是不是"},{"start":14756.112,"end":14769.67,"text":"確實我們也看到有許多的偏鄉這個離島的他本來營建成本一定會增加我們都會給予比較是類似有一些地方我們事實上在單價成本我們都會著以考量"},{"start":14770.611,"end":14791.09,"text":"對那是不是在這個部分怎麼樣協助學校做這個招標或者是對於他們這樣子的有相關的協助的措施那是不是能夠有我想有一些重大的工程我們都會有團隊有時候也不是重大的工程有時候也不一定是重大工程對於偏鄉的學校來講有時候工程就是"},{"start":14796.515,"end":14810.286,"text":"對教育部來講重大功臣是多少一千萬以上一百萬以上我想特別在國民教地方的這些中小學我想我們都有團隊來這一個定期的協助好好好謝謝謝謝謝依鳳委員的質詢請部長署長回座"},{"start":14817.426,"end":14842.582,"text":"蔡易瑜委員 蔡易瑜委員 蔡易瑜委員不在今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢 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