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那針對這一部分我們也跟院長來提一下同樣是我們國家戰略級的桃竹苗大細股計畫這也是國發會來發起的我們目前針對這個交通路"},{"start":21792.529,"end":21807.782,"text":"路網的串聯有規劃完成西路的快速道路他串聯我們桃園航空城還有龍潭跟竹南園區可以提升我們的物流效率構建一個國際競爭力的科技創新走廊那我們未來"},{"start":21808.683,"end":21827.419,"text":"我們桃園的新屋農壇也要增加1,022公頃的產業用地而且未來我們農壇很有可能會開發算力中心連接我們亞洲矽谷3.0的計畫而且產值可以達到6兆還有增加14萬個就業的機會那針對這些經濟的價值還有重要性院長應該也認同吧"},{"start":21836.732,"end":21849.113,"text":"對地方產業的需求我們都希望交通建設能夠先一步來完成來施作這樣才能對產業的吸引力跟它發展起來的產業未來整個量才能夠順利的來輸送"},{"start":21851.242,"end":21874.45,"text":"因為現在其實我們周邊很多的工業區當然也針對我們桃主要大溪谷計畫我們地方也配合中央那現在其實本身我們這個路段像我們台61線它本身就大貨車頻繁而且我們現在所有東西向的路線都要銜接台61"},{"start":21875.57,"end":21890.61,"text":"所以我們其實如果要因應桃竹苗大氣谷計畫我們勢必要再興建另外一條南北向的公路來紓解台六一所以這個環城西路快速道路就這樣子因應而生"},{"start":21891.391,"end":21916.85,"text":"那我們看一下我們這個紫色的我們跳下一頁看一下我們紫色的這部分就是我們環城西路的快速道路它北起台六一線緊連航空城那南邊也串聯我們新屋區跟龍潭科學園區的新梅隆快速道路目前在規劃中的新梅隆快速道路"},{"start":21917.37,"end":21931.884,"text":"所以我們希望針對這條環城西路的快速道路如果可以興建的話對於我們國道運輸的系統緩解車潮有相當大的注意而且還可以緩解台六一線"},{"start":21932.845,"end":21955.599,"text":"所以也希望我們針對這一部分我們地方現在目前正在評估那今天會提出來就是希望我們院長跟交通部能夠重視因為這個地方如果評估可行性通過的話希望能夠把新梅隆快速道路跟環城西路的快速道路兩岸我們一起送到國發會"},{"start":21956.92,"end":21969.01,"text":"希望行政院跟交通部能夠來支持所以這邊先跟院長來提出因為這個真的佔有非常重要的經濟價值而且還有很大的戰略地位"},{"start":21969.824,"end":21996.743,"text":"好 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因為這一部分剛剛會跟院長部長說就是說先讓大家知道它這個重要性其實不會輸國道7號那當然有時候因為礙於公務法的問題那我們也希望有些地方能夠比照國道7號那它這個重要性"},{"start":22073.101,"end":22094.5,"text":"那當然我們之前也開過一些協調會也現在也就像剛剛部長講的那桃園市地方交通局現在也在做這個可行性評估那也希望到時候評估過的時候也希望我們院長能夠針對我們交通部內政部還有國發會有機會可以開會一起研究希望把"},{"start":22095.06,"end":22107.367,"text":"新美隆快速道路跟我們環城西路快速道路有機會兩岸一起送國發會希望行政院在這邊給予大嶼的支持跟協助好有益於我們地方的發展以及桃竹苗大蓄穀計畫"},{"start":22108.926,"end":22128.701,"text":"中央交通部會跟地方政府一起按照既定的這個程序來一步一步的往前走那也希望地方能夠提出關於地方的需求未來人口發展產業發展各項需求來支撐來興建的必要型好這部分也希望院長跟部長能夠大體的來促成"},{"start":22129.86,"end":22154.093,"text":"還有我們針對另一個重要的建設就是楊梅道頭份的高架拓寬工程這部分在去年底我們高工局受訪有講楊梅道頭份的拓寬高架計畫第一標他說兩年內就可以完工可是部長知道他現在的進度嗎"},{"start":22154.964,"end":22174.467,"text":"向委員報告我們目前正在設計的階段那現在的招標其實會比較辛苦一點因為全國各地都在進行相當多的交通建設工程那這些標案其實我們這個拓寬的工程裡面有些標案是相對比較困難一點所以招標其實沒有這麼的容易"},{"start":22175.424,"end":22183.855,"text":"對因為據我們了解他現在是兩次流標當然我們也希望針對招標的部分可能也希望重新檢討盡快讓這個標案能夠"},{"start":22186.173,"end":22199.581,"text":"盡快的飆出去因為現在當初他這個地方就牽扯到我們陽梅休息站那也知道陽梅休息站在前面從110年到115年就發生17起的事故造成5死28傷那單單70.7公里到71.9公里A1 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其實針對這部分當然高工局當時的解決因的方式他就是把平面道路路肩在巔峰時期來讓大家能夠行走這個路肩但是我覺得這只是暫時性的"},{"start":22335.792,"end":22338.453,"text":"因為路肩他畢竟是要給救護車跟警察"},{"start":22339.77,"end":22365.641,"text":"做這個救護跟維護安全的來使用那如果長期使用路徑畢竟不是長久之計所以我們希望這個趕快能夠來完成那而且我們當初這個陽梅休息站其實針對運安會所做的報告其實他有講事故路段道路工程相關的現況有部分與法規建議值與原設計規範不一樣而且他特別有講"},{"start":22367.181,"end":22385.133,"text":"他說這個其實高攻擊在設計上面是有一些問題的不知道部長針對這部分有什麼看法雲南匯的報告裡面他寫的第一項跟第二項最主要的是兩個一個就是說他用輔助駕駛的部分這個是他寫的最主要的原因之一"},{"start":22385.533,"end":22402.314,"text":"那另外一個最主要的原因就是上面所寫的就是說駕駛嚴重超速的這個問題那我們其實也有分析過之前所發生的這些案例為什麼我們會去改是因為很多的車子確實在那個路段使用輔助駕駛他會判別不出來因為"},{"start":22402.874,"end":22424.449,"text":"我們的社會可能都誤解成輔助駕駛是自動駕駛所以把它當作自動駕駛在使用在之前的路段確實會有相當高的危險現在我們也不斷在宣導說輔助駕駛它是有極限的大家還是要自己注意安全所以運安會其實跟委員報告如果您有仔細看它當時報告的內容主因是輔助駕駛"},{"start":22425.45,"end":22447.089,"text":"跟嚴重超速的部分這個部分其實我們也不斷在宣導另外您在提的設計規範的部分其實都是符合規範以內但是我們現在又把它做更好的修正跟改善讓它改善得更好現在的狀況委員應該也很清楚因為那是您的選區現在的車禍的狀況已經降低相當多會撞到分隔島的狀況也降低相當多了"},{"start":22451.601,"end":22477.101,"text":"那這一部分當然其實我覺得我們還是尊重運安會的報告啦其實他對於說這陽梅休息站設計上真的是有問題所以後來才會去因應做一些改善標線這個過程他改善標線之後可是沒有想到造成我們五陽高架開始嚴重的回堵那後來也因為陽投道路拖寬工程"},{"start":22477.523,"end":22502.243,"text":"也做了一些圍籬那我們當初是想說寄望這個工程趕快施作解決但是現在看起來一直流標所以其實這個陽梅休息站我相信部長也知道他的前身其實是收費站他不是一個真正的休息不是真正的休息站所以他改了之後其實有很多的設計他本來就不是依休息站去做設計所以後來也難怪運安會"},{"start":22505.866,"end":22521.125,"text":"說做出這個設計不良這個報告那我們現在是希望能夠解決這個塞車的問題不然你一直流標然後又用平面走路間根本不是長久之計所以後面還有些"},{"start":22521.966,"end":22549.713,"text":"地方人士甚至建議如果說真的因運長久之際看陽梅休息站是不是可以廢除不然我們現在陽投我們南入的部分也找不到閘道而且這個休息站因為配合這個休息站又造成塞車又這麼多嚴重的死亡車禍所以我覺得下面20公里10分鐘的路程就有一個湖口休息站其實這個陽梅休息站這廢除其實是可以考慮的"},{"start":22551.383,"end":22573.864,"text":"那希望這部分今天提出就是希望能夠院長跟部長好好幫我們思量一下不然這個塞車的問題沒辦法解決又一直流標然後而且這個設計上我是覺得造成這麼多死亡車禍應該我們是要好好的注意謝謝委員這個新竹段的塞車兩年前我們跟"},{"start":22592.958,"end":22606.151,"text":"好 謝謝謝謝圖委員好 謝謝卓院長包委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽喜的是台北市立石牌國中的同學我們在這邊歡迎他們"},{"start":22609.714,"end":22616.466,"text":"發言會交通組織諮詢與詢答完畢休息五分鐘休息之後進行司法及法制組織諮詢現在休息"},{"start":22968.783,"end":22975.586,"text":"抱怨會現在繼續開會進行司法及法治組織諮詢首先請洪偉文孟凱諮詢"},{"start":22996.82,"end":23000.613,"text":"好 主席謝謝 我先請法務部部長法務部部長 備詢"},{"start":23011.125,"end":23027.976,"text":"好 部長好 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法律規定三個月部長跟行政院我們如果能夠善盡到提醒我們會提醒但是這個是府方作業法律規定"},{"start":26131.223,"end":26137.934,"text":"第四項規定總統必須三個月內提出人選經立法院通過所以是不是代理期間我們三個月就好"},{"start":26139.076,"end":26168.065,"text":"法律是如此規定我想大家都清楚法律是規定說總統三個月內這個法律上的一個問題這是因故出缺或無法適時譬如我舉例就譬如說因為他正好辭職就像以前的錢裡有辭職的或者是無法適時的情況譬如說他是不是有某些的事情部長你花也沒有時間限制我花也有時間限制我來做一個解釋那這一件的話是一個認滿認滿不是因故出缺能不能承諾三個月內"},{"start":26169.485,"end":26197.091,"text":"代理期間三個月內法律的規定大家都清楚那規定那個太陽太陽我覺得剛剛部長有說過了是初缺還是六滿是不一樣的是太陽是不一樣的總統要三個月內提名結果代理超過三個月合理嗎那三個月就是我們認為總統應該在三個月內找出適當的人選然後這段期間代理不是嗎"},{"start":26198.749,"end":26226.344,"text":"一定是這樣的法律那個法理是這樣能夠做到被提名來當檢察總長在法界現在服務的人也是寥寥可數那我們把最好的人選提出來卻用一種到現在大家還不是很清楚的理由就被否決掉所以我想總統跟我一樣都陷入到這種苦思我們要怎麼樣提下一個人中興大學的老師的書籍我都讀所以您在這麼好的教育環境之下受到"},{"start":26227.954,"end":26253.675,"text":"賴總統非常肯定我相信您跟他做個報告總統應該會同意三個月可以不可以我說剛剛說過這個剛剛部長說過這個太陽不一樣但法律的規定是清楚的但太陽不一樣那我們會跟總統提醒討論這個事情這沒有錯好謝謝那這樣我第三題因為我們都是法律人"},{"start":26255.097,"end":26284.454,"text":"我提出的問題都是法律問題那兩位也比較容易回答也就是我們這個不附屬的問題不附屬根據我們中華民國憲法這個附屬權在37條總統要行政院長附屬才能夠公佈法律那麼我們在原來的徵修條文之前的就57條是規定說如果"},{"start":26286.006,"end":26314.391,"text":"這個互譯沒有通過要辭職或應急接受那我們徵修條文第三條只有應急接受省去辭職兩個字那我在學習法學我一直覺得要來了解他所以今天剛好有院長跟部長都是法學界的前輩我來請教兩位也就是說不附屬不附屬他"},{"start":26315.991,"end":26342.16,"text":"變成我們的法律就這樣可以不公布那立法院代表全國人民是民意的表徵那變成只有一兩個人一個人不附屬一個人不公布全國兩千三百萬的同胞所選的立法委員所通過的法律案那就不能實施這樣是一個民主的方式嗎"},{"start":26343.427,"end":26359.765,"text":"我常常說過包括提出復議或者不附屬就行政院的立場來講都是被動的在過去行政院長畢竟立法院同意的那個時代憲法的規定跟現在是不一樣的那現在把同意權拿掉之後所以賦予行政院長"},{"start":26361.315,"end":26387.966,"text":"對於賦予之後他要接受他就沒有其他的選項但是憲法這一個37條他所說的不附屬在修正條憲法修正的時候並沒有被拿掉留下來就必定有他憲法的作用而不是形同句文就是給行政院長若是立法院通過的是一個違反憲法的"},{"start":26388.92,"end":26408.521,"text":"是一個危害國家安全的破壞財政紀律的不經過民主程序討論的行政院長就有這個權利這個權利不是在制衡總統的總統跟行政院長在經過立法院同意之後的院長沒有所謂制衡的問題院長很顯然"},{"start":26410.163,"end":26439.073,"text":"提到這一點違反了三權分立立法司法行政就是立法院違反三權分立侵犯行政權沒有啦你行政權並預算行政權不可以壓迫立法權但立法院可以替行政權編預算嗎我沒有這個法律案違憲的問題啊這個可以申請釋憲那是司法權那麼行政院要不要附屬這是行政權本院要不要立法是立法權立法不能來侵犯行政權啊"},{"start":26439.824,"end":26468.492,"text":"沒有啦這個是這樣啦如果有沒有違憲要請大法官會議解釋大法官被逼到很長一段時間不能作業啊所以院長這都是精心設計美國的聯邦最高法院那美國的國會山莊美國的白宮他有兩條路相連一條叫做憲法大道一條叫做獨立大道這個憲法大道走到盡頭你會看到"},{"start":26469.434,"end":26488.004,"text":"美國司法部前面一顆碑文Where law ends, tyranny 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