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請退輔會研議比照偏鄉醫師留任獎勵計劃 新增偏鄉護理人員留任獎勵計劃並由退輔會額外編列預算加碼補助偏鄉醫師醫護人員以穩定榮民醫院偏鄉院區整體醫療量能 提案人委員王逸川等人 第83案查退除一官兵一領退休奉製金額已達1.8億餘元健保與醫療保健"},{"start":2898.015,"end":2924.456,"text":"保健補助議領之金額一達1.2億餘元為有效預防議領情勢應建制跨部會及時數據查查平台強化事前預防機制並降低議領數亦因嚴厲追繳計畫提高回收率原請退府衛與三個院領向立法院外交及國防委員會提出強化預防機制及議領追繳計畫之書面報告提案人委員沈伯陽等人第84案"},{"start":2924.898,"end":2944.012,"text":"退府會所屬彰化農場嘉義分廠長期閒置,歷經多次招商波折至前四次公告均無廠商投標,始於第五次招商完成偵審程序並評定最優申請人採ROT模式整件既有設施並營運,為確保本次促餐案能長期穩定經營"},{"start":2946.033,"end":2972.814,"text":"退府會應說明得標廠商具體經營計畫履歷管理機制預期營運效益並於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員林楚雲等人第85案退府會轄下榮民醫療體系與國家防衛與災害應變中扮演重要之角色該會應就任性醫療相關業務進行通盤檢視說明現行執行情形預算編列成果量化指標"},{"start":2973.877,"end":2986.412,"text":"並評估未來擴大計畫 增量能需求及其他醫療業務之影響 必力監督並確保資源有效配置請退幅位於3個月內向立法院外交集國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員林祖英等人第86案"},{"start":2988.53,"end":3013.549,"text":"退府會所屬高山農場近年受整體旅遊市場變化國人旅遊型態轉變及國際觀光競爭加劇等因素影響整體住宿率是有下滑之趨勢年代影響相關營運收入未如預期建議退府會積極開發多元旅遊產品強化品牌行銷拓展跨域合作等方面努力引應當前觀光趨勢提案人委員陳永康的人第87案國軍退"},{"start":3016.768,"end":3038.512,"text":"國軍官兵在服役時多在國軍醫院體檢及就診行程長期就醫習慣並在國軍醫院享有健保部分負擔優惠退役後期盼仍維持在國軍醫院醫療體系援請國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會補助有職農民與國軍醫院就醫之健保部分負擔費用提案人委員陳永康等人第八十八案"},{"start":3040.188,"end":3066.263,"text":"退輔會辦理退儲役官兵職業訓練計畫委外班次訓後就業率及取得證照人數相較於自辦訓練為低援請國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會就相關原因及提升訓練成效向立法院及向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳永康等人第89案退輔會所屬醫療機構作為全國醫學中心及教學醫院"},{"start":3067.352,"end":3092.26,"text":"融種體系應將勞動法規作為最基本的權益保障然今年截至4月卻有8件違反勞動法規之記錄顯見期待檢討人力配置及工時排班強化管理責任輔導會應督促所屬醫療機構針對醫護勞動環境提出具體改善對策於3個月內提出出面報告送交立法院外交及國防委員會提案人委員陳俊宇等人第九十案"},{"start":3094.032,"end":3117.028,"text":"鑑於監察院調查報告指出,近年退儲役軍人涉犯國家安全法、共諜案等案件層出不窮,退府未因延役修正。國軍退儲役官兵輔導條例及相關法規針對退儲役官兵涉犯共諜違反國家安全法、反滲透法或其他危害國家安全重大情勢、明定剝奪或停止其退府權益之要件程序及其間,"},{"start":3117.976,"end":3142.538,"text":"請退府會與三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人員陳冠廷等人第九十一案我退役軍人社供諜案之退休奉還成效不佳截至一百一十四年一月三十一日子上有五千零七十六萬六千六百二十一元尚未收回案件自起訴至三審定议長需一至三年當事人名下多以武功財產"},{"start":3143.584,"end":3155.468,"text":"扣查形成追缴落差原件請國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會與二個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出專案報告提案人委員陳冠廷等人第九十二案退輔會與桃園設置訓練中心開辦多元職業訓練課程為退輔會職業訓練概況及性別分析發現"},{"start":3167.318,"end":3192.286,"text":"六都因資源缺乏非六都因資源缺乏反而無法獲得教家資訓練資源導致非六都地區之退廚藝官兵工作權益受損原要求退輔委應積極與勞動部及縣市政府橫向聯繫並就各地方產業屬性共同辦理相關職業訓練工作以提高非六都之退廚藝官兵就業機會提案人委員黃建斌等人第九十三案"},{"start":3196.584,"end":3210.953,"text":"考量台中榮總高雄榮總及屏東榮總分別為中南部地區重用之重要之公立醫學中心服務涵蓋大量外籍移工與新住民族群員要求國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會因經營部盤點所屬醫療機構之新住民服務量能從專線諮詢邁向提高就醫可進行系統性強化多語言"},{"start":3218.448,"end":3244.892,"text":"衛教資源及時統一資源資源機制及友善就醫流程建請國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會與三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員羅美林等人現在宣讀附屬單位之預算提案第一案是第十八案為國軍退出與官兵安置基金之提案第一案業務收入服務收入增列五百萬元"},{"start":3245.728,"end":3271.657,"text":"委員黃仁等提案第二案業務收入銷貨收入製成品銷貨收入增列五百萬元委員黃仁等提案第三案業務收入權利金收入增列三千萬元委員陳俊宇等提案第四案業務成本與費用退出與官兵就學進修補助計劃凍結十萬元委員盧美玲等提案第五案至第六案系業務成本與費用退出與官兵職業訓練計劃之提案第五案"},{"start":3273.905,"end":3296.854,"text":"捐助补助与奖助费减列500万元委员王逸川等人提案第6案冻结100万元委员罗美林等人提案第7案至第8案吸业务成本与费用退出于官兵就业辅导计划之提案第7案服务费用冻结200万元委员王定宇等人提案第8案退出于官兵就业辅导计划冻结100万元委员黄仁等人提案第9案"},{"start":3298.244,"end":3316.358,"text":"業務成本與費用租金與利息凍結20萬元委員王定宇等人提案第13案至第13案第10至第13案為業務成本與費用管理及總務費用之提案第10案凍結50萬元委員林楚瑩等人提案第11案凍結100萬元委員林楚瑩等人提案第12案凍結100萬元委員林楚瑩等人提案第13案凍結300萬元委員陳俊宇等人提案第14案業務成本與費用研究發展期訓練費凍結50萬元"},{"start":3328.376,"end":3349.416,"text":"委員陳俊宇等人提案第十五案至第十六案系固定資產建設改良擴充一般建築及設備之提案第十五案凍結五十萬元委員馬文君等人提案第十六案一般建築及設備計劃房屋及建築凍結一百萬元委員黃仁等人提案第十七案第十八案為主決議宣讀主決議之內容第十七案"},{"start":3353.755,"end":3380.804,"text":"退府委所屬台東農場狹有慈善會館、朔峰會館及東河休閒農場為退府委對台東農場之旅遊改善投注較少之資源恐無助提高台東地區之旅遊品質為強化台東農場觀光品質改善旅宿環境要求退府委督同台東農場於一個月內延宁旅宿品質改善計畫、宋教立法院外交及國防委員會提案人、委員黃建斌等人"},{"start":3381.363,"end":3407.004,"text":"第十八案 國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會辦理退儲役官兵就學進修補助計畫為地域分部及廣且職雅所需日益多元應考量退儲役地域分部及廣及職雅需求日益多元現行合作院校之地理涵蓋率及系所產業類別仍有優化之空間為進一步提升退儲役官兵之社會競爭力退輔會應擴大產學合作規模請退輔會於三個月內向立法院"},{"start":3411.175,"end":3438.477,"text":"外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王定宇等人第十九案業務收入增列一千萬元委員王定宇等人提案第二十案至第二十二案系針對業務成本與費用之提案第二十案門診醫療成本凍結三千萬元委員黃仁等人提案第二十一案醫療成本凍結五百萬元委員林楚英等人提案第二十二案"},{"start":3440.613,"end":3467.968,"text":"業務成本與費用凍結一千萬元委員黃仁等人提案第二十三案其他業務外費用其他凍結三千萬元委員陳俊宇等人提案第二十四案農民醫療作業基金固定資產建設改良擴充台中農民總醫院子子治療中心新辦計劃凍結一千萬元委員黃仁等人提案第二十五至第三十二案系固定資產建設改良擴充台中農民總醫院醫護宿舍大樓新辦計劃之提案"},{"start":3468.666,"end":3490.121,"text":"第25案 房屋及建築 檢列2000萬元 委員王逸川等人提案第26案 檢列3000萬元 委員徐巧欣等人提案第27案 檢列9000萬元 委員黃仁等人提案第28案 檢列9000萬元 委員陳俊宇等人提案第29案 檢列9000萬元 委員馬文君等人提案第30案 房屋建築 檢列1億元 委員沈伯陽等人提案"},{"start":3491.758,"end":3513.666,"text":"及建築檢列1億元委員農美林等人提案 第32案房屋及建築檢列1億1000萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案 第33案雜項設備檢列500萬元委員黃仁等人提案 第34案至第38案為主決議現在宣讀主決議內容 第34案農民醫療作業基金自109年至114年7月抵止整體資安通"},{"start":3517.165,"end":3542.823,"text":"通報案件曾上升趨勢以114年7月抵止為例該年度僅有12件治安通報事件建請各醫院應加強治安風險評估控管及採行有效治安防衛措施以確保資訊安全並於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員沈伯陽等人第35案 榮民醫療作業基金所屬醫院護理人員整體離職人數有108年度735人增至113年度"},{"start":3547.429,"end":3573.219,"text":"950人增幅達3成 其中台北榮總台中榮總及高雄榮總醫院之離職人數均逾百人鑑於護理人員離職人數持續增加 顯示人力流失問題持續嚴峻 榮民醫療作業基金所屬醫院更應遞置以精進留任政策與相關措施請退副位於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出出面報告 提案人委員沈伯陽等人 第36案"},{"start":3575.253,"end":3590.374,"text":"查各容院護理人員整體離職人數呈現增加之趨勢恐降低醫院的醫療品質護理人力系支撐醫療服務運作之關鍵要素其穩定與否直接影響臨床之品質與病人安全"},{"start":3590.885,"end":3619.234,"text":"原要求退府衛於一個月內都同榮民醫院檢討調高現行醫護人力留任獎勵機制以提高同仁留任意願提案人委員黃建斌等人第37案建請退府衛針對三所榮總護理人力流失問題嚴勤精進相關留任措施除薪資福利之又因外更應針對簡化行政作業流程引進智慧醫療輔具及減輕工作負荷等面向提出具體改善方案提案人委員王定宇等人第38案"},{"start":3620.506,"end":3640.651,"text":"癌症年年残年,国人十大使用之首,精准放射治疗技术为医疗体系重要之发展方向。重粒子治疗具备高度精准、高效能与副作用低等特性,为目前国际公认先进放射治疗方式之一。目前全台顶尖之重粒子与直子治疗多集中在北部及中部。"},{"start":3642.199,"end":3658.201,"text":"南部病患長須北上奔波為落實醫療平權高雄榮總身為南部地區指標性公立醫學中心應積極籌謀建置尖端粒子治療設備填補南台灣精準醫療之缺口提案人委員王定宇等人宣讀完畢"},{"start":3663.066,"end":3679.337,"text":"謝謝 議事人員宣讀完畢了那在進行主案討論之前我們先跟各位說明我們依循往例處理原則如下第一如果輔導會已經向提案委員說明那達成共識我們請直接報告公共成果或洞檢刪除建議數額如果有其他疑問也請補充說明"},{"start":3680.838,"end":3709.606,"text":"那第二个就是预算提案他是以分支计划为并案原则是讨论的这个情况弹性处理并案冻结或删减以选择其中一个提案为主案的方式处理那第三主题案不在场的提案原则上不处理谢谢各位那我们现在进行审查那国军退役官兵辅导委员会单位预算提案有关一般赔偿收入部分请辅导会说明"},{"start":3721.389,"end":3721.809,"text":"那已經經過討論了嗎 那這個黃委員"},{"start":3746.192,"end":3767.498,"text":"本案不只是一個單純提醒注意到一個尾約的一個追究也要注意到這個源頭的檢討調整公費的一個公費生的一個徵選培育和服務條件所以這個是本席要求的謝謝好 謝謝培育辦理 謝謝委員"},{"start":3770.562,"end":3786.377,"text":"那第一案就是甄列十萬元那接續併案處理第二案至第三案請輔導會說明召委各位委員好我是退出起訴處處長羅馬可第二至三案併案系第一幕雜項收入第一節"},{"start":3787.137,"end":3800.084,"text":"收回以前年度稅出提案委员分别为陈俊宇委员及沈伯扬委员均已致委员办公室说明及提供资料恳请委员同意合并增列500万元"},{"start":3801.854,"end":3827.282,"text":"好那請沈博洋委員好因為這個是陣列但是因為畢竟就是就是我寫的像在這個這幾年他的議領金額到1.8億那你看到113年底是0.4億完成追繳收回率是稍低了一點所以我是覺得說是希望能夠有一些壓力就是讓這一個一角的能夠趕快追回"},{"start":3827.742,"end":3853.129,"text":"那這個因為有在辦公室討論過所以我比較沒有什麼意見金額的部分但最主要就是有一些壓力希望能夠這個追回的快速一些那這剩下就看金魚謝謝陳柏洋委員接下來我們請陳俊委員好那退伍會基本上有到辦公室溝通那他回覆已經會配合這個行政院還有法務部及相關單位研修國家安全法"},{"start":3853.769,"end":3870.041,"text":"那在這個法院任一審及這個判有歧途刑以上的將暫停部分退出給予那明定於法律條文規範"},{"start":3871.002,"end":3891.162,"text":"作為財產的保障來強化後續收繳執行的成效那聽起來應該是退伍會已經有想法了那我們就同意原增列數一千萬那二三案併案之後同意就增列五百萬謝謝陳軍委員那就是以增列五百萬元"},{"start":3893.806,"end":3919.552,"text":"二三案合併增列五百萬元那樣子通過可以嗎好那我們繼續那我們繼續處理第四案請輔導會說明早委各位委員好我是事業處處長董少明第四案系第一幕雜項收入第二節其他雜項收入提案委員為陳俊宇委員以示委員辦公室說明及提供資料肯定委員同意預算照列"},{"start":3922.947,"end":3931.078,"text":"那我們是不是請好就照那個說明的結果同意照列好那就繼續照列那我們預算數照列"},{"start":3936.457,"end":3963.714,"text":"接下来我们接续处理第五案到第七案那我们请辅导会说明召委各位委员好我是就医保健处处长刘俊正第五至七病案系第一幕医疗临床教学研究01各种种及其分院临床教学与研究提案委员分别为罗美林委员马文君召委以及黄仁委员以至委员办公室说明及提供资料"},{"start":3964.594,"end":3983.693,"text":"第六案及第七案已獲委員同意改為主決議辦理第五案懇請委員同意改主決議辦理那我們是不是請若美林委員馬文君委員是不是有溝通之後這樣子是可以的嗎"},{"start":3985.673,"end":3990.318,"text":"第六案我們同意改組決議不過還是在這個部分因為退府會我們相關的榮民總醫院其實不管北中南它的成效或者它對於地方的醫學量能其實都受到肯定不過"},{"start":4003.372,"end":4010.777,"text":"我們看到很多的分院的部分因為這個提案主要是針對我們有很多的臨床教學還有一些研究的這些計畫等等它的研究成果還有教學量能經費質詢還是在總院跟分院上面存在很大的差異所以我們也希望必須要把分院的醫療量能也必須要同時提升這個部分我們同意改成組決議"},{"start":4033.577,"end":4034.182,"text":"好 謝謝羅委員 接下來請羅委員"},{"start":4038.956,"end":4063.807,"text":"好 謝謝主席我的第五案跟馬文君委員的第六案內容是一樣我原先也是主張是凍結兩百萬那馬委員這邊有同意改組決議然後我們榮副處這邊也有來說明所以我也同意改組決議好 以上謝謝好 那就是黃委員的第七案黃委員要不要說明"},{"start":4069.304,"end":4093.391,"text":"主要是現在是AI的一個大數據那再生醫療這些前瞻研究很重要要注意到不能把資源跟重心都放在一個總院那忽略了跟基層的一個醫院的一個連結否則研究做的再先進基層若接不上那效益會打折扣的所以這個部分要特別提醒"},{"start":4093.871,"end":4112.71,"text":"好謝謝委員的提醒那第五六七案提案改組決議的部分請提出書面文字交給議事人員等一下一起宣讀處理謝謝那我們接下來處理進行處理第八案說出第八案"},{"start":4116.414,"end":4119.535,"text":"也是,也是請輔導會來說明一下好,那...好,謝謝,那我們是不是請羅美玲委員要不要說明一下"},{"start":4141.738,"end":4170.282,"text":"好 針對這個第八案我覺得主要是針對這個退輔會他有編列退除預官兵就業及職訓經費那也就是說針對在就業機構中穩定就業三個月之退退除預官兵發給這個職業訓練訓後就業津貼可是卻有部分申請人他的資格不符所以我們有這個議領的這個現象我覺得這個部分真的是要檢討所以那當然我們"},{"start":4171.022,"end":4173.283,"text":"推幅會這邊也來說明啦剛剛處長也有提到就是說這邊就是說我們改為凍結這個100萬本席這邊呢可以按照這個方式來做處理OK 以上謝謝"},{"start":4184.838,"end":4205.023,"text":"是那第八案是由改成凍結100萬元那途徑說明報告後時的凍結這樣嗎OK好那我們第八案處理完畢那接下來處理第九十十一案那請退補會先說明"},{"start":4206.636,"end":4209.598,"text":"好 謝謝喔 謝謝說明那我們現在是不是請看王安祥委員有沒有要說明"},{"start":4237.614,"end":4256.133,"text":"我們同時第九案跟第十案、十一案同意這個併案經過退補會說明汰換項目和使用的一個連線本席對本案不堅持這個可以和第九案、第十案一起處理動結數尊重其他的一些委員的意見"},{"start":4260.282,"end":4279.853,"text":"謝謝那我這邊也是就是其實我希望那個強調就是有關於那個特考的部分就人數跟錄取率的人數都會減少那當然啦過去我也有諮詢過啦這個還是跟草治病患有關係不過我們還是希望有一些改善的方案那我們這邊也同意啦跟這個大家能夠一起來屏東以上"},{"start":4283.911,"end":4297.257,"text":"謝謝主席就這個部分因為執訓中心我們每年都在辦那現在有很多我們看到這些班隊有一些參訓人數不足或者沒有訓練單位投標或者開班後停班以及訓後就業率沒有達到很理想的狀況等等這些情形不斷的在發生所以我們也希望有些要與時俱進因為像現在的工作項目我們一直被認為說我們好像"},{"start":4312.023,"end":4324.353,"text":"大概就是保全或者其他类似这样子的工作可是现在有很多比如说像我们现在一直在推动的我们也希望带动整个无人机的产业或者AI未来的市场性或者它未来的发展性我们怎么样在我们的这些训练上面课程上面的设计我们也希望应该要与时俱进就这个部分我们同意并动100万"},{"start":4337.063,"end":4355.233,"text":"那我們希望朝向這一方面去做一個比較具體的一個精進的作為然後也可以提供說明另外本席所提的這個案子我們雖然同意併動可是都是提供書面報告經同意後使得動之希望把經同意也列進去謝謝好謝謝馬文君委員那九十席案的併案是要以哪一位委員為主辦不知道"},{"start":4367.352,"end":4385.597,"text":"你們有特別需要哪一位嗎好那我們先用馬文君委員為提案那就是提出書面報告金同意後使得動之那是凍結100萬元好那謝謝那我們來第12案"},{"start":4393.199,"end":4407.369,"text":"先請退譜會說明是否跟委員們有共識召委各位委員好我是服務照顧處處長羅陽第十二案及第十三案並案系第四目退出於官兵服務救助與照顧"},{"start":4408.189,"end":4428.452,"text":"提案委員分別為羅美玲委員、吳立華委員及黃建斌委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料第十二案已獲委員同意改組決議辦理第十三案懇請委員同意預算照列好 謝謝說明那是不是請羅美玲委員或黃建斌委員有沒有要來說明的 謝謝"},{"start":4429.551,"end":4439.153,"text":"好第十二案是最主要是吳立華委員的這個提案吳立華委員這邊有說他同意改成主決議好以上謝謝好謝謝那黃建斌委員沒有OK好那是不是就就如同這一個退府會的建議就一個主決議然後照列是嗎可以嗎好"},{"start":4460.128,"end":4466.772,"text":"我們繼續審查第14案第14、15、16、17案首先請退府櫃來先說明一下跟委員們的溝通狀況謝謝召委第14案到17案並列系第4幕退出一官兵服務救助與照顧"},{"start":4486.425,"end":4511.552,"text":"動搖基本行政工作維持提案委員分別為王定宇委員馬文君委員 邵委 林楚瑩委員均與自委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併凍結一百萬元提書面報告後 經同意此得動之以上報告我們請 好 謝謝好 林委員 然後王委員"},{"start":4513.714,"end":4527.785,"text":"我想我們委員們在做預算審查的時候其實最在乎的是你們在編列預算的時候有沒有做出必要的說明我們看到113年度跟114年度這筆預算大概都只有400"},{"start":4528.686,"end":4543.984,"text":"多萬但是一百一十五年度也就是今年增加到七百二十一萬所以他增加的幅度高達一百百分之一百六四那麼預算書裡面並沒有明確的說明到底增列的原因是什麼那麼我想其實大家都知道"},{"start":4544.665,"end":4557.273,"text":"包電機啊抽水馬達這種防災的設備我是非常同意就是一定有其必要性但是像檔案櫃啊投影機設備就不見得那麼緊急所以我希望你們在編列的過程當中其實還是要告訴我們什麼原因否則你的預算提升了164%的時候我們當然會希望凍結或刪減那麼當然因為我知道你們已經有提出了相關的說明我希望你們以後喔"},{"start":4572.202,"end":4592.056,"text":"在這個部分還是要做出必要的說明在說明之後我覺得必要的我們一定都會給予增加所以本席是同意就是跟其他委員併案做凍結那就是等到你們一定的說明之後我們再來解凍是 謝謝委員謝謝林柱英委員接下來我們請王電宇委員然後再馬文君委員"},{"start":4596.155,"end":4623.607,"text":"好 謝謝主席對於預算的部分當然有的是增加沒有說明細項有的是我們需要增加的理由那對於退府會要並安凍結100萬本席沒有意見我是要問另外一個問題跟這個預算有關像你們在像我提案的第14案就是我們主動關懷我們在地方我們看到很多我們退府會的人員都會去關心我們這些長輩們這個很好 這非常好但是我們有一群長輩"},{"start":4625.63,"end":4634.835,"text":"長居在中國那他要領退縫這個原主委我提過這個問題像我簡單一個數據2030年長住中國我們無法接觸到這個人因為我們已經不去實地訪查了當時有381位平均年齡92.4歲到今年101位平均年齡來到96.9"},{"start":4652.455,"end":4674.443,"text":"然後我們編了51萬多要去所謂的訪查訪視以往是要看到人抽查然後要印你們現在每年的單子給他簽名用不一樣的紙你們大概是用這個方法一方面我們退府會是在關心這些長輩你連見都見不到他無從關心這是積極意義第二個消極意義是防弊"},{"start":4675.123,"end":4699.671,"text":"每一年領月退或者半年奉領這些奉獻他沒有來清領而是透過你們傳這張單子去那裡有個人簽名傳回來可是無從查證之我當時問這個問題你們提出說你們會精進驗證的方案一方面我要關心這些伯伯們健康安好很好健康的話我覺得他要住哪裡我們沒有意見"},{"start":4700.78,"end":4722.687,"text":"這是主動關懷的意義你們沒辦法落實被動防避的機制好像歷有未待因為像連續三年行政院我們都公佈到中國是一個警示區域我們連一般的公務員去旅遊最近有三個還幾個都被抓起來詢問了何況你們去我也不想你們去回不來所以就是有沒有什麼機制否則這是一個問題"},{"start":4724.625,"end":4731.83,"text":"編的預算51萬多那個小錢每年這樣領錢過去到底誰在領無從查之退幅會這邊有沒有什麼說明趙薇好 王委員好我是救養處處長陳香寶"},{"start":4741.109,"end":4768.37,"text":"有關附中這個陳設警示這個警戒的部分我們預判下個年度就是這個年度是可能沒有辦法執行為了人身安全以及相關的這個作業剛剛您這邊也指導了那我們現在的驗證的方式才指紋驗證的方式是每一季每一季來執行等它回饋完回來的時候我們才就養金才發放這個部分是我們的應變作為"},{"start":4771.263,"end":4796.557,"text":"你們怎麼去確認這些指紋我們這個指紋是我講的確認其實我當然知道比對起來的資料庫比對都沒有問題查查的方式我們再討論因為這個先到執行面這個我私下再跟你請教但我的意思就是說退伍會積極要尊敬協助照顧這些長輩伯伯們對的"},{"start":4798.838,"end":4814.883,"text":"而消極防弊避免有人利用這樣子我們不喜歡這些不法的事情會發生積極消極意義可目前在中國常駐的這一塊你們是無法執行的那無法執行有沒有一套什麼方式"},{"start":4816.089,"end":4841.77,"text":"把它可以符合我們的法制又可以符合照顧這些長輩們否則我上次有統計一個數據中國的平均餘命跟我們在中國常住的這些長輩們的平均餘命落差十多歲也就是同樣住在中國同樣的醫療體系同樣的生活環境這些領我們救養金的長輩們的平均餘命比中國的平均餘命多十多歲"},{"start":4843.056,"end":4867.445,"text":"這個在統計上我還找不到答案就是說到底怎麼會發生這樣的事情所以我才會提出這個點你們可能要思考一下那個指紋每一劑回來我怎麼更清楚的去確認這個來它來的方向怎麼來的以及各項的處理方式盡最大的力量現實環境無法克服的我不苛責你們但是要想一些方法這樣好不好謝謝"},{"start":4870.836,"end":4887.315,"text":"我們報告現在目前因為兩岸的燈號還是橙色燈號我們是考量了安全所以是沒有開放去大陸親自到大陸去驗證的這是第一個第二個驗證的方式當然要強化一定要確實"},{"start":4888.416,"end":4912.642,"text":"有知道這個人還在所以剛剛委員所指導的我們跟各部會尤其我們除了指紋之外我們像海基會相關的文件大陸那邊地區的相關的一些資料我們跟他來來共同來會合來查驗看看可不可以增強這個所謂的證據率啊我們就發這個救養金可以發得出去剛剛委員所指導的我們跟其他的相關部會或是陸委會我們再做聯繫這邊強化這一塊謝謝委員好"},{"start":4918.509,"end":4919.058,"text":"喔喔 馬尾"},{"start":4921.192,"end":4926.095,"text":"本席提案是15案不過就剛剛這個部分因為這些老農民其實他們本身就是從大陸過來的他們年紀到底多大我們不知道可是你又不敢去那過去也沒有這樣的問題所以當你自己沒有辦法有效的方式的時候你也不能剝奪人家的權益所以就這個部分我們還是你們有什麼樣的精進作為然後應該要怎麼樣維持這樣子一個權益"},{"start":4950.231,"end":4957.172,"text":"我們這個不可以用猜的啊那當然你必須要提供具體的有效的證據資料那你主要是我們不敢去啦那真的有這麼危險嗎?我們不曉得所以就這個部分我們還是希望大家在思考的時候不可以去影響這些老農民的權益這是他們應該要有的有些人其實也不是住在大陸而已啊你有美國的啊,其他國家也有啊"},{"start":4976.816,"end":4981.159,"text":"所以我們希望那種保障必須要是一致的那另外本期提的是15案跟其他兩位委員不太一樣就是我們在110年開始我們有協助投保這個危險保險的部分那主要是針對一些經濟弱勢的榮民跟疑倦他萬一發生意外事故的時候如果陷入困境希望可以用這種危險保險的這個保障來彌補一些"},{"start":5006.115,"end":5008.357,"text":"可是我們發現這幾年來這個成效好像是並不是那麼好比如說有些跟因為它主要是意外傷害嘛大概是交通意外啦火災啦溺水可是像年紀這麼大的老實說它會發生溺水或"},{"start":5023.627,"end":5026.328,"text":"或這些交通意外的機會不是很大因為他出門的機會也比較小所以像他們被保障的這個部分跟地方政府有些福利也是重疊的就像嘉義其實它也有這個危險保險那我們又只能二折一所以地方政府如果有了我們大概就不會給所以我們在這個"},{"start":5044.272,"end":5048.454,"text":"以114年為例好了這個微型保險7035個人投保只有4個案子理賠那它的出險率大概只有0.057%也就是說1萬個人不到6個人可以獲得理賠就遠低於一般社會的保險或者我們這些商業的意外險的平均值那像這樣子雖然它的預算不是很高可是我們對於這些保障是不是應該把錢用在"},{"start":5073.687,"end":5095.362,"text":"可能可以更落實的部分而不是每年編這樣的預算可是它的成效不高的情況之下我們還是持續用這種模式這個部分可能要去思考一下那我們同意跟其他委員並動可是我們大家的那個提案的內容理由是不一樣的我們希望可以一一做一些精進的說明同意並動 謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":5099.713,"end":5117.201,"text":"那我們現在是先先先處理14 15到14 15 16 17案那我們是不是以王定宇委員的第14案作為主案然後凍結100萬並經書面同意後使得凍之好那我們"},{"start":5118.803,"end":5131.638,"text":"針對所有病案動情情況輔導會答覆的書面報告請包括病案委員提案的諮詢事項以下不再逐一宣告那接下來我們說第18案那是不是請退補位說明"},{"start":5133.411,"end":5160.139,"text":"第十八案 系第四幕退儲役官兵服務救助及照顧的動山志工服務照顧農民作業向下的獎補助費提案委員為陳永康委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料以獲委員同意改組決議辦理謝謝委員好 謝謝那我們就改組決議辦理那第十九案第十九案 系第四幕退儲役官兵服務救助與照顧動市農民農卷移卷"},{"start":5161.607,"end":5185.68,"text":"急難救助及慰問 向下的獎補助費提案為 黃定義委員以自委員辦公室說明及提供資料 懇請委員同意預算照列好 同意照列好 謝謝黃定義委員預算照列那第二十案第二十案 系第四幕推出一官兵服務救助及照顧動六 農民及農眷生活輔導宣慰及座談 向下業務費"},{"start":5187.677,"end":5198.506,"text":"提案委員為馬文君委員以至於召委的辦公室說明及提供資料以獲召委同意預算照列好那我們就20案預算照列那第21到第22案"},{"start":5201.755,"end":5223.966,"text":"第21至22案弊案 系第4目 退出於官兵服務救助與照顧 冬期單身環顧農民善後上葬及遺產的管理作業 向下的大陸地區旅費提案委員分別為王玉川委員 黃仁委員 已是委員辦公室說明及提供資料 同意檢列三萬兩千元"},{"start":5226.055,"end":5233.82,"text":"如果沒有意見我們就同意剪裂三萬兩千元好那第23到第24案"},{"start":5237.898,"end":5266.4,"text":"第二十三至二十四案並列並案系第四目退出於官兵服務救助與照顧動把海內外退伍軍人聯繫作業向下之國外旅費提案委員分別為馬文君召委及黃人委員以至委員辦公室說明及提供資料第二十三案已獲召委同意預算照列第二十四案已獲委員同意改組決議辦理好那第二十三案預算照列第二十四案組決議請問委員有沒有要補充"},{"start":5267.841,"end":5267.925,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":5273.651,"end":5299.947,"text":"這個同意改組結議但是我還是要說明一下今年國際機票票價提高雖然主要是受伊朗戰爭的一個影響不過其實在這幾年國際機票票價格上的調整都是一個呈現上升的一個趨勢本案主要是提醒退不回預算編列概算要多少多方的一個考量以上好 謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":5304.082,"end":5307.612,"text":"所以23我們是照列24組決議23統一照列"},{"start":5311.757,"end":5331.695,"text":"好謝謝那第25案請說明第25案系第4幕退出一官兵服務救助與照顧動9國軍單身退員宿舍服務與管理向下的業務費之通訊費提案委員為黃人委員以示委員辦公室說明及提供資料以會委員同意改組決議辦理好那第25案我們改組決議辦理那第26案請說明"},{"start":5337.987,"end":5351.582,"text":"召委各位委員好我是救援處處長陳香寶第26案系第五目一般行政提案委員為羅美玲委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意該組決議辦理好那第26案請羅委員"},{"start":5354.81,"end":5379.6,"text":"第二十六案我還是要說明一下第二十六案本席呢原先是凍結兩千萬那是因為退府會呢他有提供榮民捐醫療的服務並依健保法規規定補助健保費跟部分醫療的負擔可是我們發現八十六年到一百零五年間呢照永久停權而待追償的金額竟然是高達四千五百零六萬那可是這些金額並沒有"},{"start":5381.081,"end":5389.384,"text":"登載然後在這個列管追繳系統而且也沒有列帳所以影響後續追查的這個作業其實我本席認為這個問題是還蠻大的那當然推幅會有來說這個改成主決議可是我本席我還是覺得說OK我可以降這個金額那當然輔導會這邊有提到說是不是凍結一百萬改三個月內提報告這部分我覺得OK因為我覺得這個問題還蠻大的"},{"start":5408.979,"end":5432.656,"text":"所以我想說改組決議本席有意見我們就凍結一百萬然後改三個月內呢提報告是OK好那就第26案就按羅美媛委員凍三多少錢一百萬凍結一百萬然後三個月內三個月內提出書面報告時的凍置那我們第27到第28案請說明"},{"start":5440.334,"end":5465.607,"text":"召委各位委員好大家好我是行政管理處處長詹光宇那就有關第27至第28病案系第5目一般行政02基本行政工作維持向下業務費提案委員為馬文君召委及王安祥委員均已至委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員不檢列預算同意合併凍結100萬提書面報告後使得凍資"},{"start":5471.454,"end":5492.254,"text":"那請提案委員謝謝主席這個部分同意併案凍結一百萬不過因為這個案子已經很久了那應該要怎麼樣去競訴的一個有效的作為這個請退府會趕快可能在他的成效上面也必須要加強同意併動"},{"start":5494.326,"end":5522.285,"text":"好我這邊也同意並動好謝謝委員那就2728就是同意並動然後提出書面嗎還是要進行統一OK好那第27到第28案是不是以王安祥委員為主案然後動100萬元提出書面報告並進行統一使得動之那第29案請說明"},{"start":5529.687,"end":5544.023,"text":"第二十九案是第五目一般行政動三幹部在職及藝人替代一訓練向下業務費提案委員為還原委員以示委員辦公室說明及提供資料以後委員同意改為主決一辦理以上好第二十九案改為主決一辦理"},{"start":5544.659,"end":5568.004,"text":"那第三十到三十九案召委各位委員好我是統計資訊處處長張志強第三十至三十九案是第五目一般行政臨時辦理統計與資訊管理作業提案委員分別為羅美玲委員吳立華委員王安祥委員沈伯陽委員王定宇委員陳永康委員"},{"start":5568.904,"end":5594.856,"text":"馬文君召委 劉許廷委員 徐曉欣委員以及黃能委員那據已知委員辦公室的說明及提供資料其中第30案已獲委員同意 預算遭列第31案至39案 懇請委員不檢列預算同意合併 凍結200萬提書面報告後 使得凍資 以上報告好 我們先請徐曉欣委員 然後再請沈伯陽委員"},{"start":5597.43,"end":5601.774,"text":"那我想呢這個凍結的數額我沒有意見讓這個大家來共同決定不過我在這邊在38案的部分要特別談到就是有關於這個資安的問題其實是蠻嚴重的那來跟大家講一個這個相關的這個數據"},{"start":5617.248,"end":5645.956,"text":"那在数据上来说的话呢我们在这个可以看到其实在事件类型里面114年有关于非法入侵的部分就是有13件然后呢其他设备问题比较还好但是113年是两件112年是7件111年是4件所以如果我们从这近4年的资安类型统计表可以看到"},{"start":5649.117,"end":5662.824,"text":"從111、112、113都至少是在10以下那最高112年是7件但到114年的時候飆升到了13件所以代表就是這裡面是有包含對外可疑連線郵件密碼的外漏以及系統性的攻擊"},{"start":5663.664,"end":5691.781,"text":"那我们其实每年我们都做这样子的一个相关的资讯作业的投资那基本上呢我们应该要要求那包含是防火墙入侵防御系统IPS还有一些持续性渗透攻击的防护邮件侦测管理防毒系统然后这一些等等的资安监控中心而且是要持续优化的那否则的话我们其实一直都有去做这样的一个资讯管理作业可是"},{"start":5693.042,"end":5715.799,"text":"114年跟115年來講的話那增加了這麼多所以我光從就我們先不看設備問題光從非法入侵的部分那114年它是一個高峰我們就會擔心就是說在115年的時候那還會再往上走所以在這裡我對於凍結的數額那待會跟各位委員們那共同來決議"},{"start":5717,"end":5744.603,"text":"但是我希望針對這個目前我們所受到資安非法入侵的增高的部分提出一個具體的解方然後給我們書面的報告那要清楚一些然後還包含是說我們要用什麼樣的預計用什麼樣的規模跟設備能夠去抑止這種非法入侵的資安在115年或是未來持續往上升謝謝"},{"start":5747.524,"end":5770.487,"text":"謝謝徐委員 接下來我們請沈梁委員 然後再來是黃仁委員 再來是牛旭婷委員然後再來是馬文君委員 再來是羅美玲委員那就依次 我們就直接拿麥克風謝謝最主要剛剛前面也有提到資訊攻擊的這樣的一個問題當然還有一個案子是吳立華委員的案子 那個美玲委員也有提就是這個因為我們輔導會安心育老平台"},{"start":5771.207,"end":5787.333,"text":"畢竟對很多原鄉長輩而言在使用上不是那麼的方便所以能不能夠轉化成一些實體的關懷據點這是一個那另外一個就是說呢其實最主要就是說我們在做這個踢落基礎環境的這一個建制的時候不是說只是很單純"},{"start":5788.613,"end":5808.348,"text":"有外面的威脅要攻擊那麼簡單而已而是說我們今天在整合資料的時候其實這件事情就非常的重要你今天是怎麼去加密的你今天就算被打下來對方可能不能夠看到資料這個我之前在這個就業就業撫養相關的其實有提醒過蠻多次的應該都是慢慢在建制當中"},{"start":5809.408,"end":5824.895,"text":"還是很希望就是說這件事情可以持續因為畢竟這個退伏會其實是對方重點是想要攻擊的對象他很想要去接觸這些退役的將領然後再去接觸甚至現役他退役是他第一的proxy所以希望在這邊能夠剛剛討論的是合併去凍結200這個我沒有意見但最主要這個方向一定要能夠實行"},{"start":5838.442,"end":5867.008,"text":"好 延續喔資安的部分大家都非常的關心不過還是要看它的一個效益這一筆1020萬元的一個經費用在一個健保特才對應查詢服務系統的AIPI的一個整合的一個工具伺服器的採購是不是真的能夠減少重複檢查以後縮短的一個作業的一個時間以上"},{"start":5871.143,"end":5894.449,"text":"好 謝謝主席我想今天這麼多委員針對這一筆預算去提凍結案當然就是因為資安很重要那剛剛徐曉清委員講得非常清楚你從數字突然之間上升連預算中心等等都提出了相關的意見跟指教那我是希望大家這一輪發言完之後退伏會能夠現場進行一下說明比如說我這數字上升的原因是什麼它的樣態是什麼我的處於方式是什麼那這個樣態到底是被騙"},{"start":5895.289,"end":5920.666,"text":"是手滑了按錯了所以被入侵還是從頭到尾就是退伏會已經成為被鎖定攻擊的對象這我想很多委員提出不同角度的疑問那我想退伏會既然前面都跟各委員辦公室已經做過說明在這地方也進行一些說明這我想可以安定民心嘛那某一些層面來講這個針對凍結反正大家都已經討論過了針對數額等等我們尊重大家的決議但我想至少在做這個決議之前聽到退伏會現場的說一些明確的說明好不好 謝謝好"},{"start":5928.597,"end":5934.1,"text":"就這個部分剛剛很多委員都提到了我們現在說要做這些資料的這些機敏性怎麼樣讓它防止去泄密整體的這個資安鏈的這些相關的弱點怎麼樣去強化可是這些都是敘述性的就剛剛劉委員提到的我們希望等一下做一個比較詳細的說明它到底可以增加什麼可以做什麼樣的一個防弊那因為我們在"},{"start":5958.21,"end":5978.423,"text":"這些我相信我們退補會跟國防部其實是息息相關我們國防部跟國安單位其實是做得非常多那就這個部分是怎麼樣強化我覺得這個應該對我們來說不是太困難那如果說沒有辦法做到這樣可是我們一直增加預算這也就不合理那另外就是本期還有另外一個提案是針對我們這一次有採購這個AI面試輔助工具的這個部分"},{"start":5984.627,"end":5990.708,"text":"看起來是說成效還不錯可是我們都知道AI這個其實是要餵養資料的那你像這樣子的一個輔助工具它到底可以達到什麼樣的效果我們現在看到的就是說它在因為大概十分鐘而已那你的對象 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請說明朝偉跟各位委員大家好首先針對剛剛特別有提到的一些114年治安的問題其實114年治安的問題它入侵的大部分都是不當連線或下載其中最主要的是它在年終的時候有一個假冒的LINE的軟體那基本上包括剛剛有委員指導的其實我們很需要的是一些情資就是"},{"start":6334.884,"end":6360.888,"text":"包括詹署包括詹怨或甚至其他的一些情資那個時候發生這個事情的時候那個情資還沒有發現結果後來因為這個案件很多了我們也覺得突然有兩件我們覺得很奇怪然後我們就開始把網頁啊那些東西就開始去做處理了所以最後整個發生的是六件因為不當連線那我們是後面收到情資以後開始做處理但是我們把它連線的那個位置的網站"},{"start":6362.329,"end":6376.583,"text":"把他關掉以後基本上後面就已經沒有內案發生了這次先跟委員報告一下比較多的大概就是去年比較多的大概就是不當連線的部分比較多那通常他出去他通常他出去連的不當的網頁"},{"start":6378.244,"end":6397.077,"text":"然後回來以後我們知道了其實就已經阻隔掉了但是那個PC或連線的設備基本上我們都先FOMED先停下來先關掉這是必要的處理因為它只要是一事件我們都要去報告到底是哪一些設備受到影響有沒有橫向的擴充那後面再去看要怎麼去復原它然後寫檢討報告"},{"start":6398.298,"end":6421.604,"text":"這個部分在資安事件處理上面處理面或醫院這邊基本上都會去做一些處理那我也有提到說韌性計畫的部分是我們配合數位部的就所謂TLO的部分那個是一個在傳輸重要資料在傳輸過程裡面我們保障他的資安會比其他的資料更安全那目前他主要辦理的工作就是包括相關跟TLO有關的這些資安的軟硬體設備他必須要給他補強因為他傳輸的或將來要用的都是比較屬於個資或敏感性的資料會比較"},{"start":6427.825,"end":6445.87,"text":"重要一點那目前會裡面配合這個計畫的就是A級機關就是包括我們台北台中高雄這三個龍種那除了軟硬體設備以外還有相關將來可能會借接的剛才提到的軟體系統我們目前就是按年從113年114年我們完成了"},{"start":6450.851,"end":6472.231,"text":"十二項的三項的軟體一百一十五年今天還有一項就包括剛才所講的那這些都是將來要準備做借接的所以他這些的設計都要經過同樣的強化治安的這些作為這個大概是跟委員先做一下報告那另外也特別提到其他的一些供給供給目前會裡面一年就"},{"start":6473.012,"end":6499.136,"text":"基本上都超過大概六萬件到七萬件左右那其實大部分都是刺探所以我們從這幾年觀察會本部這邊跟所屬基本上沒有發生過太多的或個位數的治安事件通常都是不斷連線但是醫院端的跟各位委員報告醫院端的因為他量體大 設備多所以他們的次數比較多那我們這邊所找到的資料是他一年幾乎都超過上百萬件的供給"},{"start":6499.716,"end":6511.018,"text":"那攻擊大概都是刺探那刺探因為我們有情勢有我們自己的防禦政策所以剛剛委員所講的包括APT啦包括SOC啦包括其他的防火牆啦還有包括我們後面的"},{"start":6512.062,"end":6533.636,"text":"防毒軟體甚至於端點防護這個部分基本上除非沒有被入侵大概就刺探比較多的就是不當的連線今年或去年也有一些是設備的問題這個部分我們自己本身跟農院的這個部分我們有成立一個小組我們跟各資訊主管有成立一個小組我們會把這些情資"},{"start":6534.577,"end":6560.917,"text":"都分散下去只要有一發生我們就分散下去去避免這些事件再發生然後安心預導或者是AI面試官的部分我們大概都遵照委員的指示AI面試官的部分基本上我們包括剛剛趙薇所講的你的問題是不是只能就表情啦表達啦講話的速度啦儀態這邊部分去做處理那如果比較專業的其實諸位也有指導過那我們因為現在有"},{"start":6562.499,"end":6571.913,"text":"今年正在處理的居民專站轉型平台它裡面有AI智能服務將來這些功能我們都會把它納進來這個部分我再請池副部長做一下說明"},{"start":6573.737,"end":6578.441,"text":"召委各位委員大家好我是就學就業處的池處長那跟各位委員再補充說明我們那個目前我們現在做的AI模擬面試是經由勞動部的桃竹苗分署來授權的一個軟體它的功能確實是比較受限但是因為我們現在先求有"},{"start":6592.934,"end":6596.858,"text":"讓我們的退出官兵因為在求職的時候他連基本的一個面試不管是儀態表情或者是這個表達的內容都能夠有一些精進那後續呢我們已經規劃在明年我的軍民專長轉嫌"},{"start":6608.929,"end":6620.653,"text":"會運用平台上路以後我們會做後續的功能來擴充然後在這個AI就業智能服務裡面大家呢都可以用線上來登記申請然後我們會有透過我們的一個子癌諮詢的一個顧問大家就可以做線上的一個QA這樣的一個互動那這是在後續我們會做這樣的一個更加的精進以上謝謝"},{"start":6633.1,"end":6636.284,"text":"好謝謝那31案到39案凍結200萬元那提出書面報告後時的凍資以沈不揚委員的為主案"},{"start":6647.918,"end":6673.06,"text":"那接下來第40第40案跟第41案是不是請說明張偉各位委員大家好我是就醫保健處處長劉俊正那第40到41病案是第6目榮民醫療照護動搖對榮民及特定醫療體系之補助提案委員分別為牛許廷委員馬文君委員軍理制委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併凍結200萬元提書面報告後使得動之"},{"start":6676.937,"end":6697.566,"text":"好那兩位委員如果好謝謝謝謝主席這我們還是談一下啦就是說溶驗系統跟其他私立醫療院所不一樣的最大的地方就在於這背後有退服會的角色嘛那很多關於這個人力缺乏等等的問題其實也是現在這個各部會也好或者是國家政策也好非常關心的問題"},{"start":6698.306,"end":6723.132,"text":"那既然這融業系統背後是有政府的力量存在那照理來講你當然就應該起帶頭示範作用所以有關於這些人力的缺額尤其是在本席選舉逃人的狀況是比較嚴重一點的那我們當然就希望透過預算凍結的方式要求恢復為正式這樣子的一個問題盡快的提出解決的方案只要這個方案有計畫的清楚的說明有辦法有序來做執行那我想這預算解凍就不會是太大的問題但我想這過程我們該講的還是要講"},{"start":6724.713,"end":6728.845,"text":"這個人力短缺的問題必須優先處理那熔岩系統必須做帶頭的作用以上謝謝好 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基本上雖然說我的這個提案是放在跟其他委員裡面但事實上我的內容其實跟另外委員講到的是護病比人力是不相關的所以我必須還是要發言提醒一下退府會就是我追蹤這個題目是從去年開始到現在已經一段時間了就是有關於說我們的這個所謂醫療系統所使用的物流當中是含有中資背景存在的這個加里大龍事件"},{"start":7128.064,"end":7144.643,"text":"那麼在我追蹤的過程當中我知道現在我們的榮業系統當中都有逐步下降你們是用換約的方式加入了保密條款可是我要再一次的提醒就是御理分院你從原本的43%反而上升到了83%"},{"start":7147.506,"end":7156.448,"text":"我沒有質詢就算了 我質詢了之後居然還比例往上升那麼台東分院是74.17變成74.85好 這個是略升那麼你們給我的理由是說因為東部地區的物流商選擇比較少"},{"start":7169.412,"end":7191.387,"text":"既然是這個理由我就必須再一次的提醒退府會喔我想在場的所有退府會的官員你們都是當時的國軍所退役下來的所以你們應該比我還要具有所謂的憂患意識我們都提到的是這個物流商的問題是在我們做防衛任性的時候所發現的"},{"start":7192.728,"end":7221.436,"text":"那麼既然是如此尤其是東部地區物流商比較少的時候你們就更不能再依賴這種背景有問題的物流商所以說我同意就是我的提案可以跟其他的委員併在一起但是我的內容其實跟他們是不一樣的所以在併案書寫的過程當中凍結的過程當中第一我的理由必須書寫進去之外我會持續的監督你們你們一定要務必的去下降"},{"start":7222.571,"end":7249.972,"text":"依賴這種單一的物流商那當然說這個藥物的物流也不是各位能夠能夠來決定但是至少要在比例上面以及在合約上面請你們還是要特別的關注那這個問題它其實是依然存在它並沒有被解決所以說我還是希望退伏會能夠想出這個思考其他的因應之道好嗎謝謝好 謝謝金淑慧委員的提醒那我們接下來請徐曉欣委員然後再來是王安翔委員"},{"start":7251.431,"end":7270.752,"text":"好謝謝喔那我這邊的狀況也是就是雖然是在同一個這個我們的病案號裡面可是我們的這個理由是不一樣的那所以也希望就是可以單獨這個做一個列出這樣那主要呢在這個部分是關於說在112年裡面調查有"},{"start":7273.174,"end":7293.488,"text":"4000多位的榮民券他們因為投保類型錯誤所以呢115年必須要追補健保費的這個還有健保的部分負擔那這件事情是在113年有做過宣導113年的12月健保署回頭去查這個人數但是呢114年當時預算已經編了所以說現在才編在115年"},{"start":7298.331,"end":7315.648,"text":"那当然这个推幅会有跟我们讲一些这个精进的作为可是发生这样子的事情确实会让大家觉得我们在整体的这个业务的工作上面是有待加强的这是第一点那第二点在这边也提到虽然我没有写在这个提案单上面"},{"start":7316.209,"end":7340.294,"text":"但是我還是要再強調先前我也有質詢過這個議題就是有關於有職榮民的就醫的部分在各種的醫院裡面我們看到有職榮民的就醫的掛號費的減免只有在榮總可是我們在講我們有這麼多的國軍醫院如果我們講說軍警消的話他們限退的都有"},{"start":7340.814,"end":7362.758,"text":"在这个荣总国军医院以及部立医院所以我们还是希望就是说呢可以最起码的先跨出一步有职荣民就医的部分从荣总他可以扩大到到国军医院他也可以有挂号费的这样的一个减免所以大概这两个部分那做以上的说明对于冻结的这个金额那配合大家谢谢"},{"start":7367.252,"end":7387.423,"text":"我這邊提了兩個案一個案就是針對人力的部分我想因為這幾年醫療人力有很大的短缺所以我們希望退伍會這邊跟榮院能夠提出一些具體的改善醫療人員願意留任的一些制度"},{"start":7388.243,"end":7409.535,"text":"所以這個是針對這個47案不過48案我就比較這個在意啦其實我上次曾經做過質詢就是其實我們這個容苑應該作為這個醫療院所的表率不過上次我查詢了之後還是在這個勞動部網站上還是有非常多違反勞動法律的部分那個勞動法律"},{"start":7410.875,"end":7430.601,"text":"甚至有部分都是在勞基法24條加班費的部分所以我希望這個部分能夠特別列出來甚至我希望榮譽這邊能夠提出專報告有關於這個部分所以希望能夠提出專報告我們覺得OK之後再來動之 以上"},{"start":7433.714,"end":7454.441,"text":"我們是不是請退伍會討論看看你們有什麼要專案報告嗎還是書面報告兼同意我們盡可能用這個書面報告來向委員做一個說明那這個部分我們的這個為師各院都已經改善了也請委員同意我們如果用書面報告並經同意後時的通知的話可以嗎"},{"start":7461.246,"end":7485.328,"text":"那王委員勉為同意非常感謝喔謝謝王委員那43案到49案那我們是用不然這次換林楚英委員還沒有當主案嗎我們先用林楚英委員然後凍結100萬提出書面報告並經同意後時得凍置好謝謝那我們現在休息5分鐘然後等一下我們開始第50案"},{"start":7877.651,"end":7877.851,"text":"謝謝大家。"},{"start":7911.542,"end":7939.96,"text":"你要錄一下喔"},{"start":7947.563,"end":7969.757,"text":"現在繼續開會補充宣告剛才第43案到49案已經處理了第44案為主案接下來處理第50案那請退會說明一下各位委員大家好我是休醫保健處處長劉俊正那第50案C第6目農民醫療照護動物醫事人力培訓及專業教育訓練向下獎補助費"},{"start":7972.318,"end":7978.145,"text":"提案委員為馬文君召委,以致召委辦公室說明及提供資料,懇請召委同意凍結200萬元,提書面報告後使得凍資。"},{"start":7983.105,"end":7987.387,"text":"謝謝主席這個提案同意凍結兩百萬不過我們還是要強調的就是我們在這個經費就是榮民醫療照護向下的這個醫事人力培訓以及專業教育訓練獎補助費的部分因為很重要的是配合衛福部去辦理這個"},{"start":8006.437,"end":8025.923,"text":"重点科别的培训公费医生还有委托国防医学大学去代训公费生的这个奖补助费那这些经费其实是主要依人数而定我们现在面临的很重要的一个困难就是很多的偏乡或者有些区域地区"},{"start":8027.043,"end":8031.847,"text":"這些醫師都不願意去那你如果說待訓的人數可以越多我們的比例當然相對的比較高所以我們希望說主動去增加這些誘因既然我們也編了相關的經費我們希望可以去增加這些誘因讓學生能不能盡量轉成公費醫生或者待訓的這個公費生那未來在偏鄉的這個醫療"},{"start":8053.042,"end":8075.825,"text":"醫師的來源可能也可以比較多這是我們提案的主要的一個目的性那同意凍結兩百萬好謝謝馬委員的說明同意凍結兩百萬然後經書面報告後使得通知那第五提案請同意經書面報告並經同意後使得通知那第五十一案請說明"},{"start":8077.506,"end":8091.779,"text":"第五十一案 吸第六目 榮民醫療照護 洞巴偏鄉醫師留任獎勵計劃提案委員為馬文君昭偉以致昭偉辦公室說明及提供資料懇請昭偉同意凍結三百萬元提書面報告後 使得動之"},{"start":8092.947,"end":8094.989,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝主席就這個部分剛剛那個案子是希望可以把來源的分母把它擴大然後我們現在這個案子是希望可以增加它的福利措施因為它都已經願意到偏鄉或者去某些"},{"start":8109.1,"end":8111.343,"text":"地區去執業可是怎麼樣讓他留下來如果說我們可以有更好的福利措施我相信可能機會也更大這個部分我們也請反正你預算都編了嘛那我們也請特輔會在相關的這個部分精進的作為可以具體的提出來同意凍結300萬謝謝"},{"start":8128.362,"end":8136.299,"text":"那就是凍結300萬那也是好書面包括精通一指的動詞那第52案請說明"},{"start":8139.775,"end":8155.127,"text":"召委好 各位委員好 我是救養處處長陳香寶第52案 系第7目 榮民安養及養護提案委員為羅美玲委員 以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意改組結議辦理我們請羅委員"},{"start":8158.67,"end":8175.488,"text":"好 因為我們部分這個榮家有傳出這個員工沒有依照規定移交這個榮民的財務那甚至是我們有倒領存款侵占財務的案件發生所以我們都會說這部分相關的這個管制是有必要的那當然退府會這邊是希望改組決議啦可是我這邊覺得還是要凍結"},{"start":8178.427,"end":8207.35,"text":"好這部分我希望就是我這邊還是希望說凍結一百萬然後經書面報告之後呢只能凍結好那就羅委員如羅委員所提就凍結一百萬經書面報告後時得凍之第五十二案通過那第五十三案到第六十案並按處理請退譜為說明第五十三至六十案系第七目榮民安養及養護凍邀基本行政工作維持"},{"start":8208.206,"end":8209.229,"text":"第53、54、55、59及60案提案委員分別為林楚瑩委員"},{"start":8215.246,"end":8243.964,"text":"劉許廷委員 馬文君召委及黃仁委員均已至辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併凍結五百萬元提書面資料後 使得凍資第五十六 五十七 五十八案提案委員分別為王玉川委員 馬文君召委 王定宇委員均已至委員辦公室說明及提供資料配合委員提供檢列五十一萬七千元"},{"start":8248.876,"end":8259.906,"text":"主席我看了一下這個提案理由其實我的53案跟52案羅美玲委員我們的室友反而是一樣的而且在同一個項目當中都是有關於就是在養護中心的這些輔導員"},{"start":8264.009,"end":8280.42,"text":"以這個就是不法的方式把這些呃 榮民的這個所謂呃 去竊 把他們的這個所謂存款啦或者是財務竊為 降為己有這樣的一個狀況喔所以我覺得如果是要併案的話我應該是跟這個52"},{"start":8282.421,"end":8311.721,"text":"跟羅美玲委員一起併猜對因為我們所關注的是同樣的預算跟同樣的狀況所以說我覺得應該是這樣那至於說我想我的提案理由也非常清楚啦這已經不是個案然後過去其實也都一直有規定那主要是在規定的過程當中就是所謂的敷衍了事沒有依照這個規定來行事所以說我是同意凍結這個部分那是不是應該是要跟羅美玲委員這請主席採信一下"},{"start":8314.443,"end":8331.957,"text":"對柯子牧我們等一下再來確認我們先請王委員講好本席提案的第58案那退府會同意全數檢列嗎因為你們現在確實我印象從COVID-19之後你們都沒辦法去中國進行訪查了吧"},{"start":8332.978,"end":8351.61,"text":"已經停幾年了?你用麥克風回答停了五年,快六年了從109年到現在將近六年的時間都沒辦法去那邊訪視那現在不能去的原因剛才我聽主委講是因為那邊有我們等於收到旅遊的警示是,陳設警示陳設警示,是針對公務人員還是一般人?"},{"start":8352.984,"end":8367.982,"text":"你們收到警示是什麼全國就是說去那邊旅遊有警示那對我們執行公務執行公權利去有沒有特別的警告陸委會那邊那個退伏會這邊有沒有收到特別的警示因為這兩天才發生幾個公務員的事情嘛"},{"start":8369.233,"end":8392.88,"text":"所以我剛才講對於去長期 就是說農民伯伯要選擇哪裡做安養之地現在在中國以外的地區他們其實每半年還是要回來領這個要領這個鳳祥只有長住原生於中國的他可以不回來啦這是一個特殊的坦白講體貼禮遇他一個原生地這個本席不反對但我們要確認是不是本人領嘛"},{"start":8393.36,"end":8408.75,"text":"那現在因為你們確實不能去那邊旅行所以這51.7萬其實編列你們到最後也不能執行所以全數刪除那我剛才事實上有跟處長講諸位你們可以討論一下就對於相關核實的部分可以提一個就是說盡力去做"},{"start":8409.33,"end":8423.86,"text":"那做不到了我還講不苛責你們因為中國的環境你們去旅行去訪視確實有危險不用硬去啦但是盡到最大的力量去確保公帑的支付去到對的地方盡最大的力量我只要求這一點那這51.7萬你們同意全數檢列嗎OK好"},{"start":8430.171,"end":8442.896,"text":"好謝謝那幾位委員都已經發言完畢那我們是第52案與第53案並案那以羅美玲委員為主案然後凍結100萬然後書面報告後"},{"start":8448.224,"end":8461.304,"text":"第五十四、五十五、五十九、六十病案凍結五百萬那經書面報號並同意才可以取得凍結第五十六、五十七、五十八病案檢列五十一萬七千元"},{"start":8479.025,"end":8498.495,"text":"這是全部嗎 全部一起併案嗎我再重複一遍那第第52案跟第53案併案是以羅美玲委員為主案5455 5960是由黃仁委員為主案565758由王逸川委員為主案"},{"start":8503.052,"end":8522.789,"text":"好那就照剛才的這個宣告來通過那第61到第63案請退伏會說明第61至63併案系第8目一般建築及設備第一節營建工程02安養機構"},{"start":8524.881,"end":8537.979,"text":"房設及生活設施整建工程提案委員分別為黃仁委員 馬文君召委及王定穎委員均與自委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併凍結200萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資"},{"start":8543.171,"end":8569.573,"text":"好 謝謝那先請黃人偉議員本席說明一下希望工程進度的工程品質都能夠堅固由於這個農家設施的主要都是一個長者都在使用一開始設計和後來的施工驗收如果沒有做到位很容易會小車變大事以上的建議謝謝委員好 謝謝黃人偉議員 接下來請黃定偉議員"},{"start":8574.847,"end":8601.098,"text":"我同意併案動200萬元但是我一定要提醒台南農家我印象是副主委我們一起去還是台南的舊農家你們已經移給台南市政府然後呢也編了預算讓他去執行你們應該知道先去一直跳票現場那個面積之大那個塵土飛揚附近的住戶那個每天窗外不敢開桌子上都是土然後呢"},{"start":8602.085,"end":8628.066,"text":"直批也沒有 挖出來的酸塊都堆在那裡然後承諾會清完 會點焦我看已經延了半年了從農曆年前我們跟副主委去看到現在其實還是在那裡那這一點跟主委報告未必是退府會的錯啦你們的預算已經編了委託台南市政府公務局執行可是你們當時編的預算有一筆現在還在爭議可能會去工程會就是"},{"start":8629.096,"end":8648.661,"text":"弄完了房舍都拆完了搬到新的農家了舊的農家在台南市崇明路旁邊那一塊你們那個四葉廢棄土後續的處理好像明細沒有寫在當時的合約裡面所以廠商不動連去澆水灑水都要民怨很高才派兩個人去灑水又走掉了"},{"start":8649.441,"end":8667.849,"text":"那塊面積很大嘛所以我會建議退府會這邊是不是態度拿出來跟台南市政府談就是還有那個廠商你們三方趕快把廢棄土帶走啦那附近是台南市的東區最精華的區域那農家 農民伯伯都已經搬到了永康了就那塊地現在變成一個污染源"},{"start":8668.803,"end":8690.296,"text":"然後呢 那個整個塵土飛揚你知道住在那邊的人其實很痛苦那所以要求台南市政府你們預算給他到底哪一塊不足把那個責任承擔起來然後現場有那些挖出來的那個事業的廢棄石頭啦廢棄的磚瓦啦 還有那些土用最快速度載走 載走之後你撒波斯菊 撒一些綠植坯"},{"start":8692.077,"end":8710.419,"text":"短期間內都可以解決然後現在那個颱風季節要到了去年我現在講的問題是去年就發生了整個泥漿從我們那個基地面積流出來流到崇明路上面把那個水溝全部塞滿了爛泥然後變淹水那邊高地也不淹水現在變淹水那現在我擔心雨季又要來了所以"},{"start":8711.28,"end":8739.472,"text":"民運一出來整個台南市民都知道那個是救農家是退福會的你去跟他解釋說你們已經花錢交給市政府了其實沒有解決問題所以一個是塵土飛揚一個是爛泥流這個問題都是那個工地管理所以拜託這個預算同意我同意合併凍結兩百萬但這問題請確實落一個截止時間把那些廢土廢棄的東西確實清走環境整理好然後圍牆要車除就車除了否則一直卡在那裡變成一個"},{"start":8740.552,"end":8753.664,"text":"坦白講本來是一個好事情已熟了那邊可以開發了現在變成一個污染源對退伏會來講非你之罪但是你們要承擔罵名徹底解決一下好不好好 謝謝文廷委員接下來我們請馬文君委員"},{"start":8756.946,"end":8763.37,"text":"謝謝主席其實退府會最主要的其實我們是要照顧農民可是我們這些年其實有很多的預算經費是在大型工程上面去執行相關的預算比如說像提升失智照顧量能這個長照萬我園區的這個中程計劃它方向本身沒有問題可是我們也看到"},{"start":8782.803,"end":8811.722,"text":"這個案子本來大概只有十億一千九百二十四萬可是後來一路暴增到十六億八千四百八十四萬它硬是增加了六億六千多萬它的增幅非常的驚人所以如果說因為我們看到所有的增幅比如說在很多的物價或者各項人工其實我們公共工程委員會它都有評估可是我們的增幅是遠大於這樣子的一個增加的幅度"},{"start":8812.142,"end":8812.543,"text":"所以這個部分我們看到的災"},{"start":8818.587,"end":8833.455,"text":"這些案子它在工程上面的延宕或者設計管控不良發包進度落後等等這些問題一直在發生所以我們也希望說不要就後續的因為已經最後一年了比如說像板橋跟已經說是到今年最後一年嗎明年今年會完工那完工以後我們也希望怎麼樣去落實照顧這個可能才是我們根本"},{"start":8847.522,"end":8857.104,"text":"應該要做的一個主要的目的那統一病棟兩百萬好那我們就以黃人委員為主案那凍結兩百萬元我就是希望可以經統一好不好好那提出書面報告並經統一後時得凍值那接下來我們處理第64到第27案請說明"},{"start":8877.028,"end":8902.126,"text":"第六十四至六十七病案系第八目一般建築及設備第一節營建工程動三提升施治照顧量能長照萬委員區中層計劃提案委員分別為陳俊宇委員黃仁委員 牛許廷委員及陳永康委員均已至辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併凍結兩百萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資"},{"start":8907.658,"end":8936.858,"text":"好 謝謝接下來我們請有沒有好 先請劉委員謝謝主席這一樣嘛這接下來都是一些跟建設有關的嘛建設的預算大家當然都不會反對但是前面包含預算中心等等有些報告就是說前面的工程有些延宕的狀況那麼這些延宕的狀況當然就希望有明確的交代還有一些改善的一個措施所以我想大家都有提出或多或少的凍結案凍結的數字尊重大家的決議但是我想書面報告的內容應該要趕快回答各位委員的疑問"},{"start":8937.658,"end":8960.98,"text":"好 然後經同意之後 使得動之為夷 以上謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝那這個我們64到67案是不是以陳俊宇委員為主案那動200萬 然後經同意後 使得動提出書面報告並經同意後 使得動之好 謝謝那接下來68到72案請說明"},{"start":8966.69,"end":8970.07,"text":"召委各位委員好我是行政管理處處長詹光宇"},{"start":8971.028,"end":8996.348,"text":"第六十八至七十二併案 系第八目一般建築及設備第一階營建工程向下零四惠本部房舍整建工程提案委員分別為馬文君召委 許巧欣委員 牛許廷委員 王定宇委員及黃仁委員均已至委員辦公室說明及提供資料 懇請委員同意合併凍結兩百萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資"},{"start":9001.735,"end":9029.655,"text":"好謝謝我們幾區小型公園好先跟各位說這一案我個人有堅持那我也不同意這個所謂凍結200萬元那首先先講一下這個在營建工程裡面其中的一項是關於松柏新村的這個房舍問題的這個修建那當然它的起因是來自於北榮信義院區那原本住在那邊的這一些這個人員公務人員"},{"start":9030.936,"end":9058.772,"text":"要把它搬到这个要把他们搬到这个松柏新村里面然后做植物宿舍然后呢这样子我们北荣信义院区这边哦那就进空他可以来做这这个部分我是先表达支持的因为北荣的信义院区我们是非常支持也希望他能够尽快办理但是这不等于说你把这里面的公务人员然后移到这个所谓的松柏新村的宿舍之后你做的这个整修你可以看到第一个"},{"start":9059.212,"end":9086.917,"text":"他的金額费用是非常高的而且他的屋龄其实高达40多年那周边我要跟各位说明一下这个周边哦那他基本上呢很多民众都在抗议说这个房子因为太老了所以他有很明确的公安问题这当然也是为什么要整建的原因可是我要说为什么我会反对的原因是因为其实他相邻的哦相邻的住户他们就正在做都市更新"},{"start":9087.577,"end":9111.325,"text":"他們在做都市更新的時候就當然希望說我們整塊大家一起來做都市更新未來這個土地還是他還是會分回給國有的嘛他不會因為你做了都市更新這就變成民眾是不會的可他們民眾擔心的是我在我在這邊我做都更然後呢你隔壁的你只做整修但是整修他這屋領已經40年了基本上你錯過這個都更的機會之後你就變成一個老房子"},{"start":9114.986,"end":9136.224,"text":"然後呢你要不斷不斷不斷每一次剝落了又再拉皮一次每一次剝落又再拉皮一次這是沒有辦法完全解決問題的所以光是這樣子你就要每一次都編列很高額的預算來去做整修我覺得他的效益是非常不彰的所以我認為還是應該要去思考就是你要怎樣如果你要單獨的重建"},{"start":9137.945,"end":9159.307,"text":"我也不反對你們要單獨重建編略預算我也不反對並不一定要去跟隔壁周邊的住戶你要一起一起做這個要怎麼樣做我尊重相關單位的評估但是你已經40多年而且明顯在地方上有公安問題然後遭到民眾抗議的這樣的一個宿舍你只用你只用"},{"start":9160.348,"end":9187.475,"text":"修整的方式那其实你会花费每年非常多的金额但是你最后你还是要再去把它做改建跟重建的所以在这个部分我希望能够好好的去评估所以我对于冻结10%那我自己在这里这边是有坚持的那我希望在这个部分那冻结10%然后你们做了更进一步的研究之后那得到同意之后呢识得动之谢谢"},{"start":9188.732,"end":9211.697,"text":"好 謝謝牛委員謝主席 這一樣是建設相關的除了進度的管控之外 這個很多建設跟區域立委的選區的實際生態是有關係的那顯然這邊可能有都更的需求等等有沒有更有智慧的做法可以一勞永逸 這我想是節省工廠最有效的方式因此基本上我們當然非常尊重而且支持徐曉清委員的這樣一個說法"},{"start":9212.997,"end":9228.77,"text":"這個既然有選區相關當然區域立委的意見懂本來就是要非常非常重視所以請退輔會這個加強溝通嘛提出務實可行的方案這樣才是正辦所以本席也支持區小新委員凍結10%的這個提案 以上好 謝謝那退輔會有沒有最後要"},{"start":9230.551,"end":9257.67,"text":"努力跟委員這邊報告就是說就我們這個整個興建工程除了剛剛他未來的用途以外那事實上我們這個大樓我們那個松柏新村去年也做了那個耐震詳評那在我們這一次的工程預算裡面一個工程項目裡面就有一個那個耐震的一個補強那還有一個是耐久性修復的一個防水工程那還有外牆的這個部分"},{"start":9258.154,"end":9281.479,"text":"可能就委員剛剛所提出來的一些疑慮可以做一些說明那因為我們現在已經完成了一個工程的一個招標就是設計規劃因為預算還沒有完成三讀我們暫時保留決標等預算過後我們就會做細部的詳細的一個設計技術建造這一部分的一個那個"},{"start":9282.699,"end":9305.073,"text":"實作那因為這個工程是會牽涉影響到可能未來台北榮總信義院區的一個整個修建的一個進度因為原來的騎乘台北榮總是預計在116年的4月份5月份來動工那現在因為預算審查的關係現在是在已經到了5月我們也不希望說能夠有那個拖延"},{"start":9305.993,"end":9320.964,"text":"如果說凍結過多的話可能會影響到第一個因為這個預算是去年五六月來編列那我查過整個工程的一個物價指數在去年的四月到今年的四月已經漲了5.1%左右這個可能後續都會影響到那個廠商進廠"},{"start":9327.449,"end":9346.454,"text":"招標投標的一個意願所以說金額過高的話勢必會影響但是委員這邊要對那個住戶的一些交代事實上輔導會也主委也非常資準還參加過那個類似相關的一些公聽會跟說明也希望能夠取得住戶的一個一個一個認同"},{"start":9348.354,"end":9370.52,"text":"那這邊只是說做一個說明就是說希望凍結的金額是不是委員這邊能夠來支持是不是做著以再調降避免影響到後續工程標的一個開標影響到整個一個那個施工的一個進程以上報告委員我是北榮陳維明"},{"start":9372.151,"end":9391.162,"text":"非常謝謝退國會對台北榮總的協助現在我們對台北榮總心醫院區積極在籌辦之中企劃書也積極在撰寫希望能幫助我們南區東區的病人也分散台北北投的交通的用塞"},{"start":9392.503,"end":9403.616,"text":"那會不會幫助我們解決這個宿舍問題讓我們可以及時動工如果這個就延宕的話可能會再拖很久所以懇請委員的幫忙萬分感謝"},{"start":9407.203,"end":9431.229,"text":"我講一下我們當然是支持北榮心醫院區那我剛剛一開始就講了嘛可是問題是說你們從原本的這個北榮心醫院區然後你搬到這個宿舍裡面的人你就跟醫護人員就沒有關係嘛所以我覺得你們每一次都把這個松柏新村裡面的這些工作人員然後這些宿舍的人員然後牽扯到說所以我這樣子會影響到北榮你其實是陷人家於不義耶"},{"start":9431.989,"end":9459.835,"text":"就今天如果你告訴我說住在裡面是符合宿舍管理手冊裡面的軍人護理師跟警消人員這些要輪班的我完全同意啊可是他們就不是啊他們就是一般的工作人員他們是不符合身份的呀所以我的意思就是說你們不應該因為松柏新村裡面的這樣的一個這個整修而影響到我們在北榮信義院區的整體的新建進度這是你們的事情就是說你們你們本身就不應該因為你們自己在"},{"start":9462.195,"end":9465.619,"text":"新義苑區裡的人他們的宿舍問題然後影響到北榮他們的新義苑區的興建這是你們自己要解決的問題而不是說因為這樣我們在松柏新村裡面你們要整修我都同意費用我也可以支持但問題是周邊的民眾對於"},{"start":9480.733,"end":9504.014,"text":"40多年的這個老建築它造成的各種的危害以及它周邊他們現在要做都更你跟他們沒有辦法跟上這件事情就是有很大的意見你們去街訪上面走訪看看你就知道不是因為我是這個地區的選區議員那我必須要幫這些當地的居民去發聲那你們如果能夠去跟人家做一個就是說好"},{"start":9504.855,"end":9532.144,"text":"比如你們今天你們未來的長期規劃是你們這一棟你們自己要重建我也同意啊但你們今天如果就只是不斷的整修整修一次整修兩次整修三次他就會是不斷花錢不斷花錢不斷花錢但是呢你沒有辦法你是治標不治本我對於這個事情的反對意見在這裡那我當然我今天也可以凍結的更少讓你們說好像你的工程能夠通過但是"},{"start":9532.944,"end":9547.936,"text":"不好意思這個事情這個案子我們已經討論了長達將近一年之久那從一開始討論的時候你們態度是積極的我同意但討論了第二個月第三個月之後態度變得非常的消極到現在已經幾乎是沒有進度可言了"},{"start":9548.516,"end":9575.41,"text":"那如果是这个样子的话我当然就只能说针对冻结金额我要拉高啊因为否则的话我没有办法让你们再积极的跟大家跟这些周边的民众进行一个共同的讨论啊那我们也不希望就是说退府会你们的宿舍员工住在那个地方他跟北荣没有关系哦这是其他的员工哦我要再强调然后结果伤害到这个周边居民跟我们政府单位的情感嘛我也不希望发生这样子的事情啊所以说"},{"start":9576.05,"end":9600.281,"text":"在這個預算的部分那當然好如果你希望能夠調降的話那我這邊可以調成凍結五百萬元凍結五百萬元但是你們後續的一些討論然後還有跟民眾住戶的這些溝通那我就要有進一步更積極性的處理因為這個是非常嚴重問題它已經造成了我們周邊民眾的公安問題"},{"start":9601.481,"end":9607.603,"text":"這是公安問題而且你們這樣子修你覺得你就是說好你花個幾千萬你就修好了嗎不是的耶你這是針對外面然後說房政看起來是OK可是40年了那他50年的時候60年的時候呢你變成你這幾年你所花費的每年上千萬的預算你這樣編下去之後你最後你還是要整個把它重建的而且我要再強調一次這裡面的這些同仁們"},{"start":9629.189,"end":9655.828,"text":"他不是北榮未來的軍人護理師或是警消輪班的人員這是你們自己退輔會的工作人員所以不要陷人家於不義我們今天是希望一方面北榮信義院區這裡面的工作人員可以趕快移出來讓他們趕快蓋一方面松柏新村的事情他必須要得到解決這兩不相悖所以我可以同意把凍結的金額降到五百萬元但我不跟其他人併案 謝謝"},{"start":9657.233,"end":9672.173,"text":"好謝謝委員那68到72案就以徐曉新委員為主題案那就是凍結500萬經書面報告同意後使得凍資是謝謝委員謝謝教委那第73案請說明"},{"start":9677.014,"end":9701.979,"text":"各位委員大家好我是福壯處處長羅恩揚第73案系第8目一般建築及設備第二節交通及運輸設備動搖服務機構車輛的汰購提案委員為黃人委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意凍結100萬提書面報告經同意後 使得動之委員同意嗎好"},{"start":9707.864,"end":9733.14,"text":"我還是說明一下本案的提案的時候以為是21米的社區服務組長是延來的一個職務做調查但經過退補會的一個說明新增了21米的人員所以新採購的21輛機車不過考慮到這個容負處公務機車還是可以交付共用所以先凍結部分的預算"},{"start":9737.708,"end":9745.783,"text":"第七十三案 凍結一百萬金書面報告同意後實行動之第七十四案 請說明"},{"start":9747.97,"end":9770.78,"text":"召委各位委員好 我是救援處處長陳香寶第七十四案 系第八目 一般建築及設備第二節 交通及運輸設備 棟樑安養機構車輛太購提案委員為王定宇委員 以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料配合委員提案 凍結一百萬元 提書面報告後 使得凍置"},{"start":9771.428,"end":9775.536,"text":"好 我們請王委員好 同意凍結100萬好 其中同意凍結100萬第75案 請說明"},{"start":9781.597,"end":9800.917,"text":"召委 各位委員 大家好 我是退出給付處處長羅馬可第75案 系第10目 退除一官兵 退休給付提案委員為林楚英委員 以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員不檢列預算 同意凍結500萬元 提書面報告後 使得凍資"},{"start":9804.62,"end":9830.403,"text":"補充宣告第七十四案提出說明報告後 使得動之那第七十五案請 林委員好 七十五案是林屬英委員的這個提案他有請我代為這個說明那林委員這個提案呢他本來是要減列五百萬那是因為近年呢屢屢有退役軍官赴中國參加活動或受中國媒體的邀請發表"},{"start":9831.784,"end":9843.073,"text":"附和中國立場的這個言論嚴重損害國家尊嚴跟國軍的這個形象那退府會呢作為退除一官兵的主管機關應該要加強國安意識宣導防範這個退役軍人呢遭到統戰的這個利用那對於退役軍人的損害國家尊嚴的不當言行呢應該要積極調查處理來維護國家安全跟軍人的這個榮耀"},{"start":9856.503,"end":9875.963,"text":"那當然這個退府會呢有到辦公室跟林委員這個說明那林委員現在是同意改為凍結五百萬元提書面報告之後呢使能動之 以上謝謝謝謝 第七十五案改成這個凍結五百萬元提書面報告後使得動之第七十六案請說明"},{"start":9876.823,"end":9900.447,"text":"第76案 系第10幕退除役官兵退休己負動邀官兵一次退除役提案委員為王定宇委員以致委員辦公室說明並提供資料懇請委員同意凍結100萬元提書面報告後 使得動之好 請王委員好 同意好 同意那第76案凍結100萬那經書面報告後就可以動之第77案"},{"start":9905.908,"end":9921.766,"text":"第七十七案系第十一幕退出於官兵退休業務動搖退出業務費向下業務費提案委員為黃人委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料以獲委員同意改組結亦辦理"},{"start":9928.035,"end":9945.35,"text":"好 請委員同意 王委員同意好 第七個期案你們的決議是什麼 你們的說明是什麼 凍結是不是改組決議辦理改組決議辦理 第七個期案改組決議辦理"},{"start":9949.352,"end":9963.384,"text":"接下來處理第78案主決議如果機關針對該項主決議沒有意見就直接回覆遵照辦理即可若有修正的意見請具體說明修正文字公委員討論現在處理第78案第79案第80案"},{"start":9978.581,"end":10001.574,"text":"第八十一案 八十一案遵事辦理第八十二案 八十二案主決議提案委員為王逸川委員將遵照委員意見並協請衛福部共同研議後辦理需不需要修改文字沒有修改 不用 那就照案通過那第八十三案"},{"start":10003.942,"end":10020.013,"text":"第83案 遵事辦理第84案 遵事辦理那照案通過第85案第85案 遵事辦理那照案通過第86案第86案 遵事辦理那照案通過第87案那照案通過第88案"},{"start":10026.482,"end":10054.052,"text":"第88案遵事辦理那召喚通過第89案第89案遵事辦理好召喚通過那第90案我講一下我是希望針對涉犯共諜的國安法反送中法會重大危害國家情勢的民定停止或剝奪權益的要件程序期間並提出行政的執行配套這個是我非常重視的那第90案的部分請表達你們的看法遵事辦理好謝謝"},{"start":10056.983,"end":10057.926,"text":"那就照案通過"},{"start":10061.109,"end":10087.882,"text":"那第九十一案我也簡單說明也是我提出來的因為一百一十四年到一月三十一已經有十九人被判因返回退休縫那經費已經超過七千六百萬元但是實際追回的只有兩千五百萬元還有五千萬元沒有收回所以我要強調這不是懲罰所有的退役軍人這是要確保被判國家安全不可以一邊危害國家一邊繼續讓國庫承擔損失這個部分我非常重視第九十一案請說明"},{"start":10088.963,"end":10112.774,"text":"呃第九十一案提案委員為陳冠廷召委肯請召委同意著修文字將專案報告修正為書面報告將專案同意辦理是遵事辦理修正通過第九十二案第九十二案遵事辦理召案通過第九十三案第九十三案遵事辦理召案通過"},{"start":10115.069,"end":10122.073,"text":"接下來還有新增的組決議共識案請議事人員宣讀新增組決議第94案"},{"start":10124.215,"end":10144.818,"text":"退府會115年度編列醫學臨床教學研究各榮院及其分院臨床教學與研究獎補助費11億380萬8千元經查退府會各榮民總醫院及其分院間研究成果教學量量及經費執行成效尚存有區域差異"},{"start":10145.679,"end":10163.398,"text":"支援配置與效益評估機制仍有精進之空間應橫著各院區實際需求與發展條件建立各級榮業研究成效量化指標及經費投入效益分析制度請退府會於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告"},{"start":10164.119,"end":10181.318,"text":"提案人為馬文君等人第九十五萬一百十五年度退府會於第一幕醫學臨床教學研究向下各榮總結齊分院臨床教學與研究中獎補助費之對特種基金之補助預算編列十一億三百八十萬八千元"},{"start":10181.898,"end":10203.11,"text":"鉴于AI科技运用对未来医疗事业发展影响甚至针对AI智慧大数据医疗与再生医疗等前瞻研究因检视其与基层容颜医疗体系之连接性避免研究资源过度集中请退谱会议一个月内向立法院外交及国防委员会提出书面报告提案人委员黄仁等人"},{"start":10204.793,"end":10224.667,"text":"第九十六案,請國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會,針對自公服務照顧榮民作業,於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告,並於後續年度預算編列時,依實際服務需求及執行情形編列相關經費,以落實榮民服務照顧之效能。提案人委員陳永康等人。"},{"start":10225.347,"end":10250.929,"text":"第九十七案一百一十五年度退出以官兵服務救助與照顧向下海內外退伍軍人聯繫作業中業務費國外旅費編列四百七十四萬三千元援請國軍退出以官兵輔導委員會於兩個月內就一百一十五年度國外旅費之規劃依據成本變動因應措施及預期執行成效向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人"},{"start":10252.523,"end":10265.09,"text":"第九十八案 針對一百一十五年度退府會與第四幕退除役官兵服務救助與照顧向下國軍單身退員宿舍服務管理之業務費體中通訊費由一百一十四年度支六千元"},{"start":10266.263,"end":10286.97,"text":"作爭至一萬八千元群輔導會於兩個月內就該預算之調整理由與具體用途提交書面報告提案人員黃仁等人第九十九案一百一十五年度退輔會預算案於第五目一般行政項下幹部在職及依然替代役訓練中業務費編列四百六十七萬八千元"},{"start":10287.49,"end":10293.193,"text":"其中主要辦理替代役教育訓練相關項目為根據內政部議政司原額規劃115年度分配制退府會資替代役難數預估縮減20%在原額縮減的情況下仍編列相同資預算數額顯不合理原請退府會與兩個院內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人為黃仁等人"},{"start":10312.25,"end":10333.202,"text":"第115年度退府會預算案與第6目榮民醫療照護向下長期照顧與身心障礙醫療復健服務總獎補助費預算編列1億701萬2千元運營通販檢討需求之評估經費編列及資源配置之妥協性以確保相關照護資源符合榮民實際需求及提升服務效益"},{"start":10333.602,"end":10343.316,"text":"提案人 婦人 黃人等人第101案115年度退府會第11目退出與官兵退休業務向下退出業務作業中業務費預算編列580萬9千元其中一般事務費"},{"start":10347.345,"end":10368.253,"text":"國內旅費皆低於一百一十四年度預算編列數為一百一十五年度通訊費及物品費卻與一百一十四年度相同預算編列是否確實依實際業務需求核實檢討予以通販檢視各項經費編列基準提案人委員黃仁等人第102案一百一十五年度退幅會第一幕"},{"start":10369.066,"end":10390.454,"text":"醫學臨床教學研究向下各榮總及其分院臨床教學與研究補助四所榮總及其分院從事重大醫學臨床教學研究計畫預算編列十億三百八十萬八千元經查各級榮院教學研究與臨床訓練資源分配榮有差異與研議跨院區研究協作及臨床教學資源整合策略"},{"start":10390.97,"end":10419.896,"text":"以提升整體研究與教學品質請退輔會與三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員盧美寧等人第103案115年度退除役官兵輔導委員會第4幕退除役官兵輔助助與照顧預算編列6億4159萬1千元其中榮民及榮眷生活輔導宣慰及座談計劃中多次針對新住民之適應輔導講座及差旅費用卻完全忽視了"},{"start":10420.616,"end":10440.464,"text":"在國軍中服役比例極高且同樣具有獨特文化背景與生活適應需求之原住民原住民榮民原請照顧榮民政策更應周全讓不同族群之榮民榮眷都能感受到國家一視同仁之關懷與尊重提案人委員盧敏寧等人宣讀完畢好"},{"start":10443.925,"end":10462.321,"text":"那我們出第94案退補會有沒有?第94案 專事辦理招案通過 第95案第95案 專事辦理那我們招案通過 第96案第96案 專事辦理招案通過 第97案第97案 專事辦理招案通過 第98案第98案 專事辦理招案通過 第99案專事辦理招案通過 第100案第100案 專事辦理招案通過 第101案"},{"start":10472.542,"end":10474.483,"text":"繼續處理國軍退役官兵安置基金第一案有關服務收入部分請輔導會說明"},{"start":10494.878,"end":10513.08,"text":"各位委員好,我是事業管理處處長董兆明第一案,系安置基金業務收入向下,勞務收入提案委員為黃人委員,以示委員辦公室說明及提供資料肯定委員同意,陣列收入50萬好,黃人委員是不是要說明"},{"start":10516.212,"end":10540.152,"text":"那個針對這個安置基金和第二岸都是在講高山農的一個收入本席一起說明國內旅遊的第一名不過退補會的一個山高山農這個農場很了不起獲得國人的一個青睞那也希望收入可以提高一點另外關於這個銷貨收入本席知道"},{"start":10540.712,"end":10556.548,"text":"困境是大家想買的但農場靠田吃飯東西不夠賣那這個部分是不是農場也能和周邊的農戶合作增加農貨品好 給他一上好謝謝黃農委員那"},{"start":10561.638,"end":10583.895,"text":"那第一案甄列是第一案甄列五十萬那第一案就甄列五十萬是可以嗎好那第一案就甄列五十萬接續處理第二案有關製成品銷售收入部分請部長回答第二案系安置基金業務收入向下超貨收入提案委員為還人委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料肯定委員同意甄列收入五十萬"},{"start":10586.618,"end":10592.047,"text":"同意那第二案就增列50萬那接續處理第三案有關權利金收入部分請輔導會說明"},{"start":10593.223,"end":10616.845,"text":"第三案是安置基金業務收入向下租金及權利金收入提案委員為陳俊宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料肯定委員同意免以陣列那陳俊宇委員有無意見我帶陳俊宇委員說明陳俊宇委員這邊有同意就是預算招列好那就同意預算招列那接下來處理第四案"},{"start":10618.297,"end":10645.971,"text":"召委各位委員好我是就學就業處處長池玉蘭第四案系安置基金管理會其他業務費用向下退出於官兵就學進修補助計畫提案委員為羅美玲委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意凍結十萬元提書面報告後時的動之若委員是否同意好那就同意凍結十萬元提書面報告後時的動之那第五至第六案請說明"},{"start":10646.587,"end":10665.778,"text":"第五至第六案并案系安置基金管理会其他业务费用向下退出于官兵职业训练计划提案委员为王逸川委员及罗美玲委员均引至委员办公室说明及提供资料恳请委员同意预算不减列合并冻结一百万提书面报告后使得动之"},{"start":10666.818,"end":10690.867,"text":"好那委員請說明本席同意好那就同意謝謝委員同意那第五案到六案由第五案不檢列那第六案是動一百萬元提出書面包號使得動之那接下來處理第七跟第八案請說明"},{"start":10691.874,"end":10710.644,"text":"第七至第八案并案系安置基金管理会其他业务费用向下退出于官兵就业辅导计划提案委员为王定宇委员及黄仁伟委员均已致委员办公室说明及提供资料恳请委员同意合并冻结一百万元提书面报告后使得动之"},{"start":10712.222,"end":10732.6,"text":"請問我原來提案是凍結兩百萬因為這個議題我大概追了我看已經歷經三任還是四任的退伏會主委了因為這是持續我們退伏會該做的本務你要併案凍一百萬我沒有意見我還是要提出我們現在我們的退除役官兵就業的輔導計畫在安置基金裡面是最重要的業務"},{"start":10733.661,"end":10752.861,"text":"我一直強調兩個事情第一個我們安置就業不是只有高階將領需要高階將領有管理殘材必要的我們對於中低階的官士兵我們也應該協助那協助在哪裡呢我們各地的廠商你們都有去訪商然後創造就業機會搭配我們的政策工具比方一個月"},{"start":10753.502,"end":10770.518,"text":"六千塊錢一萬塊錢的就業的這個補助然後呢希望一年用滿之後可以穩定這個就業狀況這叫政策工具那實質的量化來看我們看了最近的數據就是去年的數據你台南的廠商拜訪最少其實台南是製造業大勢"},{"start":10772.099,"end":10795.937,"text":"你看我們台南你們訪問的廠商是132家高雄262新北252台中204台北172台南的訪問家數這麼少全國前1000大繳稅的製造業台南有100幾家這怎麼他比例最少呢我們副主委以前是我們八軍團的老大那個地方業者其實很多然後第二個"},{"start":10797.133,"end":10804.339,"text":"你們的就業的機會提供的職缺我也覺得很納悶台北市訪問172家可是創造1890個就業機會台南就647啊"},{"start":10810.757,"end":10829.794,"text":"三分之一 三分之一而已那高雄一千四百多桃園一千兩百多台中七百二十一怎麼台南跟台中比例這麼低台中其實像精密機械 無人機 航太台中也是重症所以我是希望精進就是說是不是訪問的加速"},{"start":10831.576,"end":10850.856,"text":"不夠多或者訪問的對象不對所以創造的就業機會就偏低我們希望很多退除役的官士兵能夠回鄉就業跟家人住在一起那我們在台南部分這個偏低我希望我們救福署這邊精進一下啦好不好那凍結一百萬本省好 謝謝黃委員"},{"start":10853.398,"end":10875.364,"text":"我同意可以併入王定義委員的一個案子的處理因為本席關心津貼的效益津退補會的一個說明效益不錯那臨滿12個月津貼後留任職場3個月以上的也有將近94%所以本席這個部分沒有問題好那就以王定義委主題案凍結"},{"start":10877.365,"end":10904.682,"text":"一百萬元金書面報告後時的總值那第九案請說明稍微各位委員好我是世界管理處處長董少明第九案系安置基金管理會其他業務費用向下租金及利息提案委員為王定義委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料肯定委員同意預算照列王委員同意照列同意照列第十字第十三案請說明"},{"start":10906.84,"end":10925.849,"text":"第十至十三案並案 暨安置基金向下管理及總務費用提案委員為林楚英委員及陳俊宇委員均以至委員辦公室說明及提供資料 懇請委員同意合併凍結一百萬提書面報告後 使得凍資好 那有沒有委員要說 請"},{"start":10928.71,"end":10950.626,"text":"呃第十到十三案呃林儲殷委員跟陳俊宇委員同意啊就是說併案處理然後動情一百萬金書面呃報告之後呢呃處理OK好好好那就是有誰做主席林儲殷委員林儲殷委員做第十二案嗎為好"},{"start":10959.385,"end":10967.432,"text":"第十四案是按自己印象下研究發展及訓練費用提案委員為陳俊宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料肯俊宇委員同意凍結十萬元提書面報告後,使得動之"},{"start":10987.615,"end":11001.301,"text":"陳委員 羅委員來好 陳俊宇委員同意 凍結10萬好 那就第14案凍結10萬元金書面號使者通過而使得凍資第15到16案請說明"},{"start":11004.864,"end":11026.52,"text":"第15至16案病案 系清淨農場一般建築及設備計畫及安置基金一般建築及設備計畫向下房屋及建設提案委員為馬文君召委及還人委員均與自委員辦公室說明及提供資料15至16案或委員同意改為主決議好那可以嗎"},{"start":11028.362,"end":11054.205,"text":"同意本案主要是要提醒一個工程的進度不過本席也要理解也能理解這個高山農場工程本身有先天條件的一個困難所以改成一個主決議好 謝謝黃委員改成主決議那第17案是主決議遵事辦理遵那就狀案通過第18案也是主決議"},{"start":11055.103,"end":11063.291,"text":"第十八案遵事辦理照案通過接下來還有新增的組決議兩案請議事人員宣讀"},{"start":11066.107,"end":11089.648,"text":"第18至1案介於清淨農場青青草原綿羊秀辦理迄今已逾30年現行表演場地長期缺乏完善之戶外遮陽設施高山地區日照強烈紫外線偏高遊客多需自行撐傘遮蔽致遮擋視線形成觀賞的視角顯示觀光服務品質尚有精進之空間清淨農場與已舊綿羊秀場地整體"},{"start":11092.878,"end":11107.729,"text":"觀賞環境進行檢討評估偵測戶外遮陽設施或規劃綠營空間等改善措施提案人為馬文君等人第十八之二案退府會國軍退出役官兵安置基金一百一十五年度"},{"start":11108.61,"end":11111.431,"text":"固定資產編列5897萬2000元,為查113年度固定資產計劃執行率僅為75.71%。114年截至6月執行率僅為43.58%,既此為提升農場建設執行效率,並利提供國人更優質且安全的旅遊環境。"},{"start":11130.18,"end":11141.671,"text":"退府衛已就農場重點工程定期督導即時給予協助及指導以確保各項建設如期如此完成與提升預算執行率提案人委員黃仁等人宣讀完畢"},{"start":11142.588,"end":11166.622,"text":"第十八支一案遵事辦理 早安通過第十八支二案遵事辦理 早安通過第十九案請說明早委各位委員好我是就醫保健處處長劉俊正第十九案是榮民醫療作業基金業務收入提案委員為王定宇委員以這委員辦公室說明及提供資料同意增列一千萬元好 王委員"},{"start":11169.212,"end":11192.9,"text":"好 政令一千萬元同意好 謝謝王委員 政令一千萬元那第二十到二十二案請說明第二十至二十二病案西榮民醫療作業基金業務成本與費用提案委員分別為黃仁委員 林楚英委員均以這委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併凍結五百萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資"},{"start":11194.093,"end":11210.05,"text":"好那黃委員同意對本席第二十二十二案兩案的依附成本有關這是一起說明尤其門診醫療成本居高不下那這個也顯示台灣血汗依附的問題真的非常的嚴重"},{"start":11210.65,"end":11235.605,"text":"那希望智慧醫療輔助真的能幫助醫護解決問題本席另外提出一個想法既然榮總門診人數龐大在這個AI輔助門診中同時也是一個優勢希望榮總妥善運用這樣的一個龐大的一個數據開發出一個先進的一個智慧醫療的一個系統以上謝謝那由22案當主案凍結500萬病經書面報告後時的動之"},{"start":11240.287,"end":11262.471,"text":"那第23案請說明第23案吸榮民醫療作業基金其他業務外費用提案委員為陳俊宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意凍結100萬元提書面報告後使得動之呃 羅委員好 陳俊宇委員同意好 那就陳委員凍結100萬經書面報告後使得動之第24案"},{"start":11270.12,"end":11294.049,"text":"召委各位委員好我是台中榮總院長傅英慶第24案是台中榮民總院專案計劃向下支持治療中心新辦計劃提案委員為黃仁委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料以獲委員同意該組決議辦理好第24案黃委員同意同意該組決議辦理第25到32案請說明"},{"start":11300.091,"end":11323.447,"text":"第二十五至三十二病案系台中人民總醫院專案計劃醫護宿舍大樓興辦計劃向下房屋及建築提案委員分別為王逸川委員徐巧欣委員黃仁委員陳俊宇委員馬文君召委沈伯陽委員某美玲委員"},{"start":11324.267,"end":11347.28,"text":"及陳冠廷召委均已至委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意合併減列9000萬元好那我是希望說退伍會在目前的預算下能夠自行到達本年的進度然後盡快完成相關的宿舍大樓照顧我們任農民醫護人員那我們請黃仁委員"},{"start":11349.001,"end":11370.709,"text":"總案目前是統包的工程已發包今年應該用不到工程的一個主體的一個經費所以委員對於工程最在意的就是如期如止期望本新建計劃都能夠達標以上的建議好 謝謝 那請沈委員"},{"start":11372.321,"end":11397.513,"text":"那因為之前是在這一個質詢的時候就有提到中榮的這一個預算的這個執行率那這一次是因為有一些他還沒有這個取得建造的狀況上半年度比較沒有動工所以呢簡單來講其實只是要配合這樣的一個工程所做的一個刪減所以就是併案然後這個我沒有意見金額沒有意見好那就併案那是9千萬"},{"start":11403.265,"end":11405.887,"text":"第三三案新榮民醫療作業基金一般建築及設備計畫一次性項目向下砸向設備"},{"start":11428.885,"end":11450.719,"text":"提案委員為黃人委員 以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料 懇請委員同意簡列五十萬元同意好 同意簡列五十萬元那接下來第三十四案為主決議遵事辦理好 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遭案通過"},{"start":11539.942,"end":11552.379,"text":"15年度中央政府總預算有關於國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部份及附屬單位預算關於國軍退役官兵安置基金及農民醫療作業基金兩項作業基金案已處理完畢送請財政委員會會長後提報"},{"start":11555.342,"end":11561.184,"text":"願會審議時推敗一位委員做補充說明請推敗本次預算審議如有預算科目或經案物質授權議事人員調整18、20及21日為三天一次會現在休息"},{"start":11581.442,"end":11581.462,"text":"謝謝啦,謝謝謝謝,謝謝"},{"start":11599.859,"end":11600.62,"text":"對,難得無處,難得無處,對沒錯"},{"start":11616.468,"end":11620.891,"text":"我那天跟辦公室說,起床了,怎麼可能起床了"},{"start":11646.689,"end":11647.21,"text":"谢谢啊"}],"speakers":[{"total_seconds":58.44,"embed_id":"SPEAKER_01","speaker":"SPEAKER_00","embedding":"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"},{"total_seconds":730.4,"embed_id":"SPEAKER_02","speaker":"SPEAKER_24","embedding":"JdtivokYAD6UnWo+dQpBvmOJxrxrVRI+5dYKPuBYGL4TnYq+l0TSPV0OtL5nfQA+iW0mPUvmy7siVtq9CY9HPnQcIT2XIo69kKVePlEMmT3b2p2+WeQCvg8WST4ACVU+V+IQPn7O/j37KFi8q6bxvYW4KL6e6x4+s1tKPkpN5jxu9jy+xGsovmcGpDyK6SO9k7lUvBf2t70lLDM97F86vnbmYD5oMjY+LnGSvR7T4r3Rphw+N+75PY90T75u6AY+UHIevmx+RT0HpOa9pt/NPb5PMD7WJ2g9nEHgvaYuhL1FHPM8X31IvuV/J75Cu5K9jJPZPRS0nj178Sq9fwc1PhJRxz2hAiA+N4VCvsBwLT3ACHI+gi8FPlRb5r3tDuo9UxNoPszKQ75ckr695+j3PbO15j2MQ129nWoRPZM2zL4zB5q9wOyQPWMAbz22iCK9L3mBvmrOhb6fmu276uu+vYte4D1mMiu+vjGevRt7H75VOk29jywUPq7UDz4wyIi+iFxzvp04Cr574WE+vxJjvYdkIT5O5Ti+1YI2PjTcVz5ZfqC9gG5GvmFwHL70eos+LR2tPWXPJjxyELE9E8tjPgGY1j09ZBG8mwB+PO/McT77e1w+Psm4PV4ZZL1ovzQ+ptdkPedrbL1KeQy+0gTwPT7Slj71thW+gFeLPSkyIT6TgJK9ceNKPmpgLj56kVC+QNstvdoMQL7rTQ299w4AvvRBDj1DPEM9iDMjvuS5yz1C+II9J+0ZPd7/4Tvo4RM+L0ZmPVigDr5/vKc9jfcuvn1JbD6txBm+iUdkvJixT73xiZm9jMRKPuXydj5lcJC8LKpivax+RrtKhPO9/n4YPck0AL4txPI9PzwQPg7+5rzzDp2+slrQvfGN/j1n5aY9PerIPg/nA76wOEQ+sJGRPanaBD5iJw++1EfFvnuUuzuPNH89rOVNPmMUUj0PmJK9khqAvkSTszxqRMa9QXGJu2uPez7awUi+kwliPObNmjz7O5g9C7XJPfe6JT3JTvC9McqWvbYIr72pid48bRehPcVFVD6qHwg+wus9PhYoT77MEAw+0qDhPKKV9D0pjUw+KifxPRobhT77LBG+UVYXvjD0Pz72VZg+cf9rvWepuT3Kvaa8fjBFvrQaGz6fBi06P2BtvufEVz3Fxy87PUubvX8UkL6sJKE99wYYPvbkKrzWTSI+QoQ+vu3CRDxTe8M80xJIvdmywL1epjU+9whOvuo9u7tRKhg+Rtw4Pr2ejj3YvJQ90Nb1vWAqE776tvm9EtYjvpIOPb5uhJU9KbsrPmfRp75VTUy+LG7cPGkncT5eeoS+9KYkPUtyXD1JSoC+c/wsvck2H770hps9OEnDvA=="},{"total_seconds":1905.24,"embed_id":"SPEAKER_03","speaker":"SPEAKER_22","embedding":"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"},{"total_seconds":127.59,"embed_id":"SPEAKER_04","speaker":"SPEAKER_03","embedding":"U+BcvTyQKj6KN5Y+y2vruYZBFTzs9kQ+3h5OPfB8jb2gXr6+a4TuPQXRVb1wlE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