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謝謝主席"},{"start":2575.691,"end":2591.044,"text":"蕭若我們請翁曉琳委員來做詢答"},{"start":2600.846,"end":2624.768,"text":"歐委員好是 民宿長早安我想剛剛 其實我今天準備的質詢議題跟昭治委員是相同的英雄所見略同我們其實都想要問的就是有關於國會簽建進度的問題那麼事實上就是從游錫堃院長然後到最近韓國瑜院長也有提說我們的立法院希望未來能夠有一個更好的處所"},{"start":2627.39,"end":2640.381,"text":"這個計畫目前本屆大概有提出兩個方案一個就是圓山方案一個就是空總方案其實我先講結論不管是哪個方案我都支持因為本席這個這些這兩年來有時候也參有到國外的國會去參訪那麼確實這個作為一個中央級的國會我們的這個整個建築物整個的聽設應該要有一個樣子但是"},{"start":2652.19,"end":2668.757,"text":"坦白说我们现在立法院的这样的一个建筑物除了说它是个古迹之外其他跟别的机关的听测根本不能够相比甚至比很多的地方政府的什么县议会等等的"},{"start":2669.917,"end":2697.766,"text":"這規模都還要來的小然後呢整個辦公空間非常的局促所以如果說能夠在這一屆對於立法院的簽件有一個定案的話我想這個是一個好事應該全民也都會支持那麼事實上就是因為本席在這裡針對這個簽件案主要是想從幾個角度來請教秘書長就是我們知道"},{"start":2698.746,"end":2726.241,"text":"如果說我們今天的決定是在圓山飯店的話因為這個是會涉及到文資法就是文化資產保存法那麼如果說以現在的改進的技術是否可行還有就是如果說我們有這個確定想要去圓山飯店那裡的話那麼有沒有跟文化部以及台北市政府來進行相關的法規釐清的問題"},{"start":2729.244,"end":2756.216,"text":"跟我們報告 因為原來在第十屆的時候游泳院長所提的六個地點目前是還在的六個地點我想我們就不談了我現在跟報告一樣 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後來慢慢我來的時候已經改成大概七月中旬就結束"},{"start":3422.951,"end":3439.637,"text":"後來在民國82年等於是84年改成會計今天以後啊大概就比較少大概都用透過臨時會的方式所以以8800億來講那想請教一下就是說秘書長為什麼會後來用改制用這樣子的方式來處理呢"},{"start":3440.757,"end":3466.03,"text":"那這我沒辦法了解是嗎因為我想說因為民主國字典所以想請教一下啦對啦好那我想因為其實在很多國家我們的議會其實沒有他們的議會沒有開到這麼長為什麼因為其實還是要考量到大家要有充分的時間來去研讀法案嘛還要做一些相關的座談會收集意見等等的所以當這樣子研會延到這麼長的時候其實是對於我們的法案品質都要有都可能會產生疑慮啦所以"},{"start":3469.534,"end":3496.329,"text":"我想這個對於立法院的財政負擔也是相對大的啦因為延會到這麼長那大家其實都不能夠有也不能夠有好好的時間去休息或是去調整一些設備的時間啦那我今天想要最主要是想要請教一下就是說因為今天大家其實都問了這個問題到底什麼時候我們要搬錢或者是我們要擴建因為實務上我想秘書一定非常清楚嘛我們的停車位不夠我們會議空間不夠大家現在有很多現代化的需求都無法滿足"},{"start":3497.55,"end":3512.351,"text":"因為過去呢其實很多國家都有臨時因為成立了所以需要一個空間但是大家都會在擴建或是搬遷但是我們這件事情已經討論了非常非常久了歷代我想這個Misra一定非常清楚歷代的這個立法院長其實都有提出這樣子的事情"},{"start":3513.802,"end":3533.473,"text":"那我想問一下我們現在的進度呢我們到底什麼時候要搬去不管是園山大飯店也好或者是說中正紀念堂也好那現在的進度到底是什麼因為我們都有簽報大概一般我這樣跟張委員這樣報告大概因為原來由院長的時候有留下六個地點"},{"start":3534.494,"end":3554.761,"text":"那現在大概韓院長來 他對於這一個沒關係 因為我時間有限啦 是不是直接又針對這一題來告訴我們說我們現在的因為一定要經過黨團協商來同意大概那個定點 或是要再成立一個監督委員會沒關係 我指的是說時程 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請秘書長說明光是研會所造成加班費這些費用我就問你加班費就好所有這些議事人員跟著我們一起加班而且本來表定是到5月31號我很好奇從6月1號到8月31號這兩個月你怎麼算給他們錢他不在本來的法定編制裡頭喔"},{"start":5695.794,"end":5703.357,"text":"我要這樣說這個職員工裡面的加班會他是每一個月份都會報加班會的很好嘛有報嘛那為什麼不能提供給我們我就問為什麼不能提供不敢提供為什麼不敢提供2024年我們2月1號上任到現在已經連續兩年加班費資料都是研會對嗎秘書長你還記得嗎一年365天然後韓國瑜院長還在新春團拜的時候假惺惺抓好人說"},{"start":5724.884,"end":5738.492,"text":"感謝所有議事人員因爲365天都沒有休假是誰造成的?是你們蔡議員造成的不是嗎?結果我就問嘛我先不管這些國民黨的委員為什麼要提出這個司法保護傘的研會方案我就問為什麼交通費的資料到現在不敢給我們為什麼不敢?是不敢還是不能?因為它這邊裡面的經費的精靈啦因為你也當過經費機構委員會啦所以他們大概會把這個提報到經費機構委員會去處理啦"},{"start":5752.458,"end":5780.544,"text":"昨天已經第3年了 第5個會議了 秘書長你要跟我說什麼啦你要說什麼 我就讓你2024、2025的加班費資料到現在我們經費集合委員沒有通過嗎秘書長 你在講什麼我現在只要你2024跟2025因為研會所造成的加班費資料為什麼不能提供 你到現在還是不敢回答你們有沒有要救一下秘書長你們那加班費是誰 我就問加班費這麼簡單 你都不敢回答"},{"start":5782.304,"end":5808.075,"text":"你看 沒有人敢贏 沒有人敢合運我就問為什麼愛南提供嘛這些都是你們的權益耶 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請秘書長"},{"start":6094.904,"end":6117.457,"text":"我要聲援一下陳培宇委員昨天我跟張宏祿委員跟德國的國會議員交流他是台德友好的國會團跨黨派的他們最後邀請我們在休會的時候去訪問德國的國會而且他告訴我們說務必要在德國國會開會期間因為休會的時候德國國會議員會回到選區然後特別告訴我們德國的國會"},{"start":6122.782,"end":6124.01,"text":"一年开会21周"},{"start":6126.171,"end":6154.522,"text":"那我們聽了只能告訴他們說因為我們從上一屆開始我們沒有休會期間因為我們是全年52週都在開會他們沒有辦法理解為什麼我們的國會是這樣子那我想這件事情真的非常的嚴重國會已經成為多數黨反對黨的司法保護傘連續兩年那今天陳培委員關心的是到底耗費多少就是我們國家的經費"},{"start":6155.722,"end":6174.433,"text":"這種不合理的繼續研會當然他也很關心我們公務員其實應該要有一個正常的休會期間不管是重整人事做訓練或者是說有沒有因為這樣必須要增加加班費的支出也請秘書長能夠給陳培委員如果連我們自己的經費資訊都要不到"},{"start":6179.756,"end":6200.383,"text":"平常大家在跟行政部門要什麼資訊 對不對我想立法院的資訊應該要公開透明啦好 那我今天想問秘書長的是跟我們國會的民主有關喔不知道秘書長小不曉得這是哪裡的國會這個照片有沒有看過 不曉得您有沒有去過這裡這樣 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但是你本末倒置"},{"start":7158.308,"end":7165.514,"text":"就說我需求你沒做出來你自己要做這個我不認為你這不應該做我也認為該做但問題是基本的需求你沒有去解決啦所以我是期待說必須要你這個好好地處理問題很小但是真的該做另外第二個就是說你日本人現在有做一個就是說強化車道的方法我們一百三十年一百四十年這些我都問過的問題就是說"},{"start":7186.907,"end":7187.893,"text":"車落後不要下山"},{"start":7189.295,"end":7201.861,"text":"但成效看起來就是從助理那邊聽起來幾個辦公室在問起來 沒看到效果啦你一百十五年 就今年的預算書裡面你就沒看到相關預算的編列啦你可能想說 預算可能不太大啦所以你就不去做啦但是呢 就是說 你要怎麼去做一個改善應該是總務處處長我建議"},{"start":7221.155,"end":7227.304,"text":"我建議說明的說明比較看不到成效你能騎摩托車嗎?你騎兩台就知道了你就知道要怎麼處理了我都問助理說這要怎麼改變"},{"start":7236.087,"end":7240.09,"text":"秘書是要給他倒卡酒 總務處要給他倒卡酒你說叫總務處處長把他站在桌上 站在桌上他就知道要怎麼做了是不是這樣說 來 處長來回答秘書長 這個大總管不要你來 你來你等一下說 比較大聲 等一下再說話 還要你去消明就不是這個意思 來"},{"start":7252.32,"end":7275.182,"text":"謝謝委員 為全體的夥伴來關心這個安全問題這個安全問題這兩年陸續一直有人提案所以本來我們前年去年都在估它都是要重鋪車道第一個經費高 第二個要全部封閉那可行性比較低後來我們前一陣子也找到一種新的工法可能比較便宜的方式可以做我們已經廠商做了 我們最近就會把它鋪設"},{"start":7276.343,"end":7294.335,"text":"那這個車道在前 這兩年我們都有做那種奈米塗層也確實有防滑效果那這次我們會用另外一種工程去加強希望能把它改善 以上報告你就是不幫自己做自己的事情真的 我不給你變 沒有改善啦"},{"start":7295.339,"end":7315.113,"text":"真的要去改善,你只要捨一天你就知道,你都不知道要叫什麼,你都不知道,沒辦法,就在日本做人的助理,現在現狀就是這樣而已,自己花錢就好但是我要講的是說,立法院的助理,他可能,各研究室的助理,他的心態這樣算不錯嗎?"},{"start":7317.031,"end":7337.365,"text":"不是要自己去抗議 說這李伯寧秘書主席在做什麼李伯寧在抗議行政委員都很厲害 對不對 大家都很厲害我們李伯寧在要求別人 感到別人也很厲害立法院的秘書處 我說實在話全中華民國最不受到監督的一個地方就在立法院秘書處這大總管你要很清楚"},{"start":7340.777,"end":7349.064,"text":"大家動作自己人 大家事情都做對你們都手下留情不然你們這裡的公務機關 公務人員 你們這裡如果動作一般行政部門我們這裡要把你們洗乾淨 我不跟你騙所以大家是認為 啊就秘書處嘛我們自己都立法委員 也是立法院的成員之一嘛對你們特別客氣嘛 但是你們這種行政效率喔"},{"start":7364.318,"end":7373.262,"text":"要說就說不完,我不會騙你你只要整個縮小,改建對某些採購有的沒的,電腿有的沒的當然有的是必須你那時候還沒來的但是看到這樣的一個效率,該我問題太多,不好啦這個真的我看機車這一題,眼睛看得見的總務處處長,有辦法嗎?"},{"start":7388.052,"end":7392.513,"text":"昨天已經跟助理說明 怎麼做 做到什麼程度我們都有說明不是只有說明 要有效果出來這不是只有我辦公室的人在騎機車而已這是每年下一個委員 辦公室下一個助理所以說立法院的組成裡面雖然是立委 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預算書及所有提案均已宣讀完畢我們進行討論之前就先說明預算案的處理方式那我們依照委員會處理預算提案的慣例稅入部分就依來源別以上為單位稅出部分就依機關別以目為單位分別依序進行審查各單位預算中"},{"start":8189.366,"end":8210.038,"text":"于处理委员所提的增删提案之后,其余未涉及的预算部分就均与照列,有关正式别、税出预算随同机关别审查结果调整。预算提案经由整理除了将所有委员提案装订成提案本,并且在编列序号后制作成会诊表方便委员审查时参考。"},{"start":8212.421,"end":8240.854,"text":"那麼另外也請機關注意我們稍後經討論了決議修正的預算提案那麼請機關將修正內容經提案委員簽名同意之後呢就送交主席台並均列入公報記錄那審查預算過程當中列行目聊與首次答覆委員問題發言時就請先介紹職稱姓名以立公報人員記錄好那麼我們就現在開始進行預算案的審查我們先處理稅入部分"},{"start":8242.802,"end":8246.868,"text":"那稅務部分因為沒有委員提案所以我們稅務部分就照列"},{"start":8249.738,"end":8276.659,"text":"那稅務處理完畢我們就繼續處理最初的提案先做說明處理的時候也是依照慣例先以目為單位然後逐目進行處理原則上是按照會診表所排列的提案順序先由提案委員先就該目中的提案內容進行說明提案委員於該目如果有兩個以上提案時則請一併說明再由機關代表予以答覆那之後我們就針對整目一起處理做成決議"},{"start":8277.6,"end":8306.697,"text":"那委員如果有跨個目的提案則先行處理處理之後呢我們再依個目的順序來進行處理好那我們現在就來先行處理稅出部分先請參閱提案本集彙整表先處理跨個目的提案由於第一案為第三款第一項立法院跨個目的提案所以就先進行討論好我們就先由提案委員就提案內容來進行說明再由機關代表來予以答覆"},{"start":8310.834,"end":8321.738,"text":"那麼首先第一案是本席的提案那麼本席這次是針對立法院的業務費安日案件計資酬金編列預算2584萬3000元那麼這筆錢主要是用來支付公聽會研討會專家學者出席費用不過因為這筆錢基本上並不是立法委員們可以基於就是法案"},{"start":8337.424,"end":8350.811,"text":"審查或者說有必要要辦公廳會的時候也可以去使用的經費所以本席在這個以往我有提出就是是不是應該要請立法院就這個部分來檢討有關於"},{"start":8354.253,"end":8370.649,"text":"按日案件計資籌金應該也要可以就是編列或是分配部分的金額可以讓各委員辦公室來統籌運用因為畢竟在法案諮詢的時候呢各委員辦公室其實也常常會邀請專家學者來進行討論所以就想"},{"start":8376.454,"end":8398.471,"text":"就希望立法院這邊可以提出辦理專家學者諮商的可行方案因此提出凍結該項預算1%然後請立法院可以向私委會提出書面報告後 使得動之所以這是本席所提出的提案看看祕書長這邊有沒有需要做回覆的"},{"start":8400.591,"end":8424.456,"text":"謝謝翁委員所提的這個案件的計畫酬金因為這個案裡面是有涉及到立法院組織法第32條的規定那我也請郭局長作為做一個研究當然我是希望說這個也可以讓他們去提報告去來看那目前這些2584萬所編的是沒有立法諮詢的這個"},{"start":8428.377,"end":8455.643,"text":"的費用那因為翁委是提可行方案嘛那我想後來是跟法治局局長說你們去從這個法裡面三十二條裡面所規定的是不是有能不能做突破啊去思考那所以這一案是不是凍結的預算裡面這個地方是不是請翁委能不能改成書面報告這樣的一個情形謝謝"},{"start":8457.503,"end":8479.949,"text":"好那本期當然是希望就是說法制局或是立法院這邊秘書處可以提出一個可行性的方案因為這個事情其實也這個一年多然後之前我就曾經有提出過那麼但是就是說好看起來後來也沒有進展我們是想說是至少就是我們雖然113個委員那麼但是也許會辦理類似這種"},{"start":8484.286,"end":8503.235,"text":"專家的公聽會的次數不是很多所以如果說在立法院的案件祭酬資源的部分還有餘處的話希望也能夠協助立法委員但是剛剛因為秘書長有說希望能夠改成書面報告就不凍結了是嗎"},{"start":8506.063,"end":8514.392,"text":"那這件事情就改成主決議我也同意改成主決議要改主決議這部分請你們文字調整之後再送給本席簽名確認我們第一案就"},{"start":8527.691,"end":8542.626,"text":"改成主決議 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這個秘書處才可以加強去做會對啦 好不好這很小事啊 好不好"},{"start":9001.175,"end":9021.721,"text":"那請秘書長說明我來說明一下大概 中央委員會長謝謝大概也非常關心員工跟助理的整個運動裡面的處理有關於第四案 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說實在的啦這個不然你們真的要去加強啦這做不好都有原因的 你知道嗎這好意把你們點出問題 人家那個整個研究室裡面去幫你們找出這些問題你們反而都要去加強 這個沒有抗拒的問題啦你知道這只要 只要把你們動一動 整個預算是有夠久的啦這個做出一點成績啦 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16因為剛剛已經都說過了對剛剛已經請那個張雅玲委員已經談過了然後就是現在這個下一幕對這一幕只有到第15幕對"},{"start":10875.716,"end":10895.453,"text":"到第15案從第二案到第15案那麼我們現在是不是我們來就是一起討論一個合併凍結的數字就是當然就是有一些因為現在已經也差不多就還剩下五六個月的時間那麼考慮到就是立法院實際上經費運作的狀況"},{"start":10898.883,"end":10926.179,"text":"能夠有些部分是可以提書面報告的話是不是用書面報告就可以了那當然今天也有些委員有提案是說是要經專案報告同意之後使用或者是說要書面報告經同意然後才能動之我的建議是說是不是我們就考慮到行政效率的問題就直接改成書面報告經書面報告即可看看"},{"start":10927.259,"end":10940.618,"text":"我同意啦我希望各機關都一樣啦因為理由都一樣嘛剩下半年的時間我們專案報告還要再同意完了這半年就過了委員們沒有堅持的話那我們就基本上就是都改成書面報告然後就"},{"start":10942.961,"end":10945.723,"text":"我這時候之所以要堅持專案報告是因為我們我們排專案報告秘書長就不來我們以前排專案報告秘書長都不來"},{"start":10964.041,"end":10984.238,"text":"這排四次他都不來所以我們就想說他預算的專案報告總該來吧要不然其實我們都其他單位我們都是同意說實在已經剩半年了不過也是既然主席這樣講我就同意主席就是出面報告了好 那麼因為我們這整幕的合併凍結數是9018萬當然最大宗的就是審發會委員的這個6400萬"},{"start":10990.302,"end":11008.093,"text":"還有張雅琳委員提的兩個案子是各一千萬那麼所以就這個部分來說的話是不是可以就大家就少凍結一些如果合併凍結五百萬而立法院有沒有什麼建議就是希望不會影響到你們的運作就是合併凍結數"},{"start":11019.048,"end":11045.764,"text":"因為其實委員們所提的這些意見也都蠻重要的也希望說你們能夠提順便報告嘛因為我想委員對我們很寬容啦沒關係就到趙主席所提的五百萬那我們是不是就可以合併凍結五百萬沒有沒有我才凍你三十趴而已你看其他行政單位凍八十趴九十趴的我才凍你三十趴"},{"start":11046.644,"end":11052.704,"text":"要不然我可以給主席面子,本來30%算起來是6408萬那我們就把零頭拿掉就動6000萬了"},{"start":11054.807,"end":11076.762,"text":"只有凍結六千萬剛剛主席是建議五百萬其實我們在審其他部會的案子我講其實我們也都希望說只剩半年的時間那不要去影響他們的運作各部會其實都是剩半年嘛對不對對 所以說我們其他的在審其他各部會你可以看到沒有凍結這麼多的一個數字審發會委員已經有沒有沒有 這個是陳小姐"},{"start":11079.404,"end":11103.949,"text":"六千萬很小巧,真的,真的,是真的是不是請省委員這邊張雅玲委員她這個一千萬,她說她這邊就兩千萬了所以她支持省發會委員這個部分,是不是,省委員,那如果不可以請省委員,因為這一頁都是涉及到資訊安全的部分我不為難大家啦,那就保留啦沒有,那就保留,保留政黨協商保留政黨協商的時候,韓國瑜院早就幫你主持公道了那就保留,好那就全部都保留囉"},{"start":11109.997,"end":11116.474,"text":"就是除了第六案還有第幾案第六案是主決議"},{"start":11120.951,"end":11143.089,"text":"其他的設備張雅玲委員的兩條各一千萬跟我的那個案子我們三個案子保留那我第十案的部分我就改組決議就好了其實就是提書面報告"},{"start":11145.848,"end":11162.078,"text":"我這樣可以不可以提一個想法前面這邊大概租賃管理這一個業務裡面這34次保留那其他那邊大概就整個合起來就200萬或300萬或剛才你所說的500萬是不是可以他們給我是寫200萬"},{"start":11168.982,"end":11178.096,"text":"就其他的這個地方 是 如果是這樣的話是不是審法會委員的案子我們就保留送協商那其他的案子我們就合併凍結一個數字"},{"start":11181.295,"end":11206.63,"text":"張雅琳委員這兩個案子可不可以一起合併資訊管理業務的部分保留啦整個資訊管理業務的好要不然就12 13 14這三個案子因為都是跟資訊管理業務有關我們就保留那其餘的案子的話我們就合併凍結一個數字那這樣的話因為其實的案子是合併是比較少的那我們就合併凍結200萬呢"},{"start":11208.432,"end":11218.512,"text":"動五百萬吧因為前面很多一百萬一百萬五十萬兩百萬加起來的數字遠超過沒有我們其他的數字扣掉那三個是多少錢其他就一起動五百萬吧"},{"start":11222.016,"end":11226.4,"text":"總共加起來也沒有那麼多你們這個書面報告書面報告又不用經過我們同意你們現在只要交個書面報告就可以解凍了這個我們已經是18億的經費18億的經費"},{"start":11238.769,"end":11244.051,"text":"他們交個書面報告也不用經過我們的同意他們書面報告交出來就可以解凍了為了刪二十萬到刪三十八萬那位委員那個才幾十萬他刪了二十萬你這十八億我們都五百萬我已經改成主決議了"},{"start":11256.829,"end":11272.097,"text":"然後吳宗憲委員也改組決議了嘛現在扣掉改組決議的以及那個審判會委員張雅玲委員的案子那其實總共凍結是560萬啦那我的建議是說不然就改成整數500萬啦動個200萬啦對因為這是跟其他委員有關的好不好我們就動個200萬那因為重要的我們堅持動400萬不然我們一起保留"},{"start":11284.502,"end":11307.628,"text":"共400萬我已經降下來 我們一起保留好了整個一般行政一起保留好了 既然沒有辦法達成共識 我們整個第一幕一起保留這個都很客氣了啦我們之前也都是這樣子 就是大家沒有辦法達成共識就保留就是說我們就是中間數300萬好不好我們就是 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那至於就是那就是接題書面報告就不要經同意使得動之了當然要同意 不同意等於沒有任何的意義啊書面報告經同意後動之如果說你經同意的話那就是我們這邊還要排委員會議來因為我們這次立法委員會這次的這個立法院的這會議基本上大部分都是書面報告然後就可以動之因為如果說經同意的話那就變成說是"},{"start":12311.456,"end":12334.784,"text":"還要延長那我們是不是就是請發言委員這邊可以就是不要同意 那我跟你說齁就是不要再協商了不然我們就保留30萬經書面報告後同意動之好不好如果您不同意的話我們就保留這樣沒有還是就是就希望是不是能夠不要再經過同意就是直接經我堅持啊因為如果沒有經同意的話那其實我們就不確定它是不是能夠改善嘛那如果這樣的話我們就這個案子送保留好了好不好保留齁 OK"},{"start":12349.574,"end":12363.17,"text":"第六部公報業務提案案號第十八案那麼我們就保留送協商第十八案那麼接著處理第八幕的一般建築及設備提案案號是第十九案到第二十七案"},{"start":12365.745,"end":12390.934,"text":"第十九案到二十七案這裡有張雅琳委員的提案先從張雅琳委員十九跟二十案因為張委員基本上也不在我們是不是就不處理那個張雅琳委員她請我一起幫忙講那她可以跟大家這個第八幕一起並動不過她還是蠻堅持就是說營建工程的落後還有保留數偏高的部分應該要改善"},{"start":12391.334,"end":12401.523,"text":"所以他的第19案跟第20案都是跟這個空間有關規劃有關好那第21案是陳昭之委員跟劉淑檳委員的案子"},{"start":12402.739,"end":12414.267,"text":"好 謝謝主席 這個案子是關於營建工程的部分那總務處長有來做溝通 知道這個是一個延續性的 從110年到115年那知道它有一些歷史的一個過程 包括前面是一種初期的規劃建制然後設計 之後才變成到"},{"start":12426.936,"end":12438.752,"text":"現在比較會積極在進進可是也發現到說大安會館已經整建好了可是另外一部分的當初的一個要求是說比較一個低的部分可是這個低的部分並想想看我們的"},{"start":12441.533,"end":12444.578,"text":"立法委員的一個設備其實並沒有真的能夠反映到說相對於在行政部門的話可能是政府首長的這樣的一個設備的狀況所以呢也可以理解說他們會有一些追加預算的一個需求"},{"start":12457.677,"end":12474.507,"text":"不過我想說也是希望說市長他們總務處都有非常在做努力那因為其他的部分的地方涉及到好幾個案子我們的一個態度上面是說只要給書面報告就好那這個凍結的數目是我們事實上是可以再降低的這樣子"},{"start":12478.329,"end":12498.335,"text":"那這個案子因為已經討論過了所以我們就凍結10%然後改書面報告那接下來第二十二案當然講一下可以再降低凍結的數目要不然就等到待會我們一整幕的時候我們可以再討論那第二十二案是莊瑞雄委員的案子那他現在不在"},{"start":12499.471,"end":12516.615,"text":"那麼我們這個第22案還有23案都是關於那個機車的空間規劃跟建築的部分那鍾瑞雄委員現在回來了他可以一起講那這個部分因為剛剛質詢的時候也有提到鍾委員的案子22 23跟26案這個都是督促而已啦這個就應該祕書處這邊有特別的意見嗎"},{"start":12528.1,"end":12555.842,"text":"好 那麼秘書說這邊23這個都有夠久的啊對 因為23案有個專案報告是不是可以請專委委員我們就不要專案報告就是跟其他案子一樣我們就是提書面報告就使得動之23啊23是我列的是專案嗎對 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立法院應該要清楚的說明避免後續又再追加又再展演那其實就是浪費公帑所以我是提案凍結一千萬 謝謝這部分的話可能請秘書長這裡做說明好嗎"},{"start":12720.627,"end":12736.561,"text":"那一個大概 因為張委員希望有一個 其實這一個當然他就六年的預算啦那現在那一個還要在經費機構委員有提出來那一代會員委員有提出來另外的一個要求那在七月 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書面報告改成書面報告嗎對就改成書面報告我本來就24號我本來就是書面報告啊因為你本來是有經同意啦那我們現在這一次的案子幾乎都是書面報告我本來都是書面報告啊你有寫說是經過同意以後實施的動作我們其他的委員會都是要經同意啊對不對我們昨天也才剛審完都是要經同意沒有我們覺得這沒有不合理啦這次的話大部分都是書面報告是不是有這個可能性就是可以那現在不然保留好了啦好不好"},{"start":12894.298,"end":12907.225,"text":"好所以24案24案也是保留之嗎好24案保留還有25案的話我們就一起處理那麼審判會委員的案子"},{"start":12908.542,"end":12936.5,"text":"省發會委員案子我有連鎖這個部分也是數位化程度太低的問題因為南韓的國會都已經有智慧議政然後公開透明數位治理跟監督都比較好我們的國會真的很落後像我們常常現場在表決現場的委員那麼多紙都不知道是哪一張然後監督的人連記者在上面完全都不知道我們是不是可以跟南韓學習一下"},{"start":12937.04,"end":12947.389,"text":"所以這個部分這個案子是要專案報告並經同意後使得動之那這案我想就直接保留好了因為我想大家應該不會有共識這樣"},{"start":12950.888,"end":12954.872,"text":"是 好 來請 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