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成員獎學基金及留足稱先生警察子女獎學基金請參閱報告"},{"start":1745.096,"end":1767.202,"text":"財團法人包括台灣省義勇人員安全記住基金會、警察學術研究基金會、義勇消防人員安全記住基金會也請參閱報告的資料結語本次審議機關執掌全國警政、警察教育、災害防救及入出國移民等業務關係社會治安、人民生命財產安全、國境安全及人權保障"},{"start":1768.704,"end":1791.212,"text":"內政部及所屬全體同仁將持續秉持主動積極態度陸力推展各項措施內政部也主管115年度預算案配合行政院預定之預算籌編原則而且落實臨機預算除了以專節支出以外新增計畫部分業經嚴謹妥善規劃敬請各位委員先進不吝於指教跟支持感謝"},{"start":1798.53,"end":1801.026,"text":"我們接下來請交通部陳彥博政務次長報告"},{"start":1817.982,"end":1846.185,"text":"首先就這個我國測速照相設備設置標準執行成效及調整不合理執法點位的進行作為來做專案的報告那交通部就這個報告做以下三點的一個說明第一個有關測速照相設備的定位為速度管理的一個工具旨在促進用路人的遵循的速限以維護人體交通的秩序和行車的安全"},{"start":1846.926,"end":1873.657,"text":"然後測速執法設備的一個設置的地點的一個評估維護的管理及執法的作業程序呢是屬於警政機關的一個權責那試射各道路的集合的特性車流的狀況及造勢的情形及設置的地點跟密度呢是由現在是由各縣市警察機關市各地的交通狀況跟特性和事故防治的需求審慎評估並依需求辦理相關的採購"},{"start":1875.037,"end":1901.078,"text":"設置及稽查取締那本部尊重各縣市政府或警察機關的一個專業的權責來設置相關的一個測數的一個設備第二個要說明的是現行各項的測數照相的一個設備是屬於法定的度量衡的一個速度計的一個規範那我們的了解經濟部標準檢驗局就都定有相關的標準而且辦理必要的一個檢定那第三個對於"},{"start":1902.999,"end":1929.251,"text":"速限的一個管理本部公路總局在112年完成了探討國內外道路速限訂定的原則的一個研究案然後據以歸納我國道路速限訂定的一個原則速限調整的要考量的因素跟調整的機制的一個流程那基於地方制的概念所以我們將這些所提到的研究的成果"},{"start":1930.692,"end":1950.524,"text":"本部的這個公路局已於114年5月16號將前開的研究的成果還送各縣市政府參考那在這期間呢也會同各地方政府就相關的一個地點做必要的一個會刊那做相關的一個配合跟檢討那最後結論就是面對各界對測速設備"},{"start":1952.265,"end":1973.024,"text":"密集度及合理性的一個關切本部將在尊重警政機關的專業執法的一個前提下必要時會請公務局配合辦理相關實地的勘查與調整以維護道路交通安全的秩序並增進道路交通安全這是第一份報告"},{"start":1973.744,"end":1995.698,"text":"第二份報告是就因應新興毒品氾濫導致毒駕案件飆升如何強化執法量能及防制的策略做以下的一個報告在這個報告分成兩大部分第一部分是就現行吸毒的駕車的相關法令因為我們鑑於吸毒的"},{"start":1996.959,"end":2010.196,"text":"駕車是嚴重的危害道路交通安全所以呢從108年以來在我們的道路交通管理處罰條例就有做相關的一個修正那我簡要的說明如下在108年的7月1號我們就加上獨駕的罰環罰環的"},{"start":2014.021,"end":2039.798,"text":"累犯的罰環是無上限並當場都一致保管車輛那吊扣他的駕照等等的那致人重傷或死亡的話就是終身不得考照那累犯致人重傷或死亡並得沒入他的車輛那第二步是在114年的3月31號我們再加重罰則獨駕出犯照是致人重傷或死亡及沒入他的一個車輛"},{"start":2040.859,"end":2057.573,"text":"那在112年的6月30號又增訂汽機車因獨駕受吊扣牌照的處分呢一致保管他車輛而且要繳消其牌照那114年呢配合警政署呢我們在這個違反道路交通管理事件統一裁法及處理細則第19條之4推動的這個唾液毒品快篩試劑成為第一線執法人員的一個檢測的一個工具"},{"start":2067.381,"end":2080.409,"text":"第二部分我要來做說明的就是我們防治獨駕的一個作為隨著剛才我特別提到的114年我們訂定的細則有關脫衣快篩可以成為第一線執法的"},{"start":2082.651,"end":2091.7,"text":"檢測工具依據警政署相關的資料我們可以發現114年11月到今年的4月為止汽汽車的獨駕取締件數達到8355件那較前一年度也就是113年11月到114月"},{"start":2105.714,"end":2117.871,"text":"474件大概成長了4.6倍那顯示獨駕這個問題是非常的嚴重需要予以有效的一個嚇阻所以基於這樣的一個考慮而且我們也現行來講處罰條例裡頭對於獨駕是跟"},{"start":2122.996,"end":2141.13,"text":"35條9價是一併罰而且罰則是相同的我們認為這其中應該要予以區別而且獨價跟罪加一等所以有鑑於此本部在今年的5月11號跟5月27號邀請了司法院法務部衛生福利部內政部警政署等相關單位來討論處罰條例應該如何修正所以這裡頭我們包括對獨價者的吊銷駕照提高罰環"},{"start":2147.934,"end":2167.262,"text":"額度而且同車的乘客也要連坐處罰以及吸毒者需完成毒品戒飲治療及毒品危害防治講習後才能報考或換花駕照等以便來嚇止這個獨駕的一個情形那另外在修正處罰條例之前我們也會配合檢討道路交通安全規則將這完成毒飲"},{"start":2170.183,"end":2188.364,"text":"介治或講習列為吸毒者必要遲到的條件來做必做一個源頭的管制那最後的結語中上的說明為了防止駕駛人吸毒案件的行為影響用路人的安全跟生命的一個產產本部將禁訴將道路交通管理處罰條例"},{"start":2190.708,"end":2212.756,"text":"呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃"},{"start":2219.773,"end":2221.807,"text":"我們下一位請法務部馮誠常務次長報告"},{"start":2236.843,"end":2250.426,"text":"主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天奉邀就因應新興毒品氾濫導致毒價案件飆升如何強化執法的量能跟防制策略提出報告請代表法務部說明如下"},{"start":2254.42,"end":2275.978,"text":"近年依托彌子等新興毒品滲入電子菸試用的情形快速的擴散試用後衍生毒價及重大的交通事故等事件已經對於公共安全及用路人的生命安全造成了重大的威脅面對新興毒品跟毒價的問題法務部高度重視已經從法治、查緝"},{"start":2277.119,"end":2305.778,"text":"以及宣導面向來全面的因應在法制面的部分刑法第185條之三已於112年的12月8日增訂了獨駕抽象危險犯的規定只要試用毒品後駕駛且尿液或代謝物達到公告的濃度值就構成刑責目前已經公告了45種常見及新興毒品另外本部目前已經啟動修法將全面的提高獨駕的刑責"},{"start":2307.519,"end":2333.161,"text":"並且提高假釋的門檻及擴大沒收犯罪車輛以達到阻嚇的效果第二部分在新興毒品的防治本部已經在113年11月27日將依托米子類的毒品由第三級提升為第二級毒品加重了製造販賣運輸使用及持有的刑事責任以強化防治力道"},{"start":2334.002,"end":2347.257,"text":"令因應新興毒品的快速變異本部持續的透過毒品審議委員會滾動的檢討列管截至115年的5月我國列管毒品已經達到了731項"},{"start":2349.139,"end":2372.953,"text":"這是國際間列管最多國家之一此外也建立了毒品先驅原料的一個預警平台強化跨機關的情資交換及原料的流向監控以提升整體的防治效能另外在查緝部門查緝的面向本部已經責成了抬高檢統核檢查警察"},{"start":2373.914,"end":2392.552,"text":"調查、海巡、憲兵及官務等六大企圖系統加強的溯源斷根及打擊毒品的供應鏈並將新興毒品及電子菸結合毒品列為專案查緝的重點在115年的1月到3月間查獲的毒品高達2149.8公斤較去年同期增加了475公斤"},{"start":2398.277,"end":2414.735,"text":"一百一十五年的一月至四月,增辦製造運輸販賣毒品的新收人數達五五八零人較去年同期也增加了八百八十五人顯示我們持續的強化,查緝的量能已經有所成效"},{"start":2415.456,"end":2438.254,"text":"另外對於毒價的案件檢查機關亦從重來追訴並且依法生壓及監督妥適的量刑在宣導面的部分本部也會持續的透過網路、社群媒體、校園活動來加強反毒及反毒價的宣導提升社會大眾及青少年對新興毒品危害的認識"},{"start":2439.659,"end":2460.249,"text":"最後法務部對於毒品跟毒價都是零容忍的一個態度會持續的透過強化修法科技的緝毒溯源段跟跨部會的合作預防宣導全力的壓制新興毒品跟毒價犯罪維護國人的健康及交通安全以上報告 敬請各位委員指教 謝謝我們下一位請教育部劉國偉政務次長報告"},{"start":2482.947,"end":2506.478,"text":"報告主席 各位委員 協議女士 大家早今天列席委員會教育部就有關因應新興毒品氾濫導致毒價飆升在校園內的房子做檢驗的口頭報告我們書面報告已經也呈給我們所有的委員首先電子菸仍是新興毒品的主要載體"},{"start":2507.879,"end":2529.093,"text":"尤其是一坨米子的流動性高網路上也可以容易拿到對年輕人尤其是對我們的青少年的新生生性發展有嚴重的影響進而延伸所謂賭架及公安的一些危險教育部配合新世代反毒策略行動綱領第三期我們是以"},{"start":2531.473,"end":2551.677,"text":"變風險找發現主來源重輔導為原則為主軸配合所有整合跨部會的資源強化第一線的辨識跟因應能力就目前做法而言跟各位委員報告我們強調是我們要全面的入班宣導就114年來我們已經達到5700多班的入班宣導率是百分之百"},{"start":2558.698,"end":2575.199,"text":"另外我們也配合所謂的民間的團體各式各樣宣讀反讀的一些活動那目前也都有兩三萬人的學生的成員那我們試讀率也都是高達九成左右那對立特定的人選我們依據各級學校"},{"start":2575.86,"end":2597.569,"text":"特定人員尿液篩檢以及輔導如果會在開學以及廉價後實施尿液篩檢日後我們會導入所謂的唾液快篩那我們也配合法務部法醫所以及調查局協助新型毒品的檢驗"},{"start":2598.869,"end":2625.651,"text":"第二我們也會配合與警政單位合作組員來源目前國內3627所大學學校已經建立9192個學士熱點那定期與警政署情資勾結如果我們發現任何的情資我們就依據教育單位協助檢警緝毒溯源通報原則通報"},{"start":2627.132,"end":2640.682,"text":"進行及早的阻絕另外如果我們發現有可能的學生我們就立即成立所謂的村徽專案村徽小組實施三個月的輔導那給予這些個案多元的輔導"},{"start":2642.563,"end":2664.505,"text":"宣導心理諮商甚至做簡做轉介這個詳細數字我會都有在我們的書面資料裡面我們的目的就是還是希望提供多元的適性的活動減少學生涉毒的影響就未來而言就未來而言我們也會與時近近分級的去開發各式各樣的"},{"start":2665.546,"end":2689.767,"text":"的媒體素養或者是教材入班宣導將那個我們今年的反讀的江蕙甲新興新興毒品一樣依托彌子列為我們滾動式宣導的重點第二個教育部也會依托依據依托彌子尿塞集資金很難拿到我們也教育部已經研擬將脫衣快篩機制納入我們的輔導機制作為早期"},{"start":2692.876,"end":2711.096,"text":"辨識的工具但是我們的流程要兼顧要兼顧學生的權益飲食以及家長知情之同意的狀況之下那在菅義偶尿液的確定我們在銜接我們現有的除非輔導以及及醫療的轉介"},{"start":2713.358,"end":2733.693,"text":"結論就是教育部能持續就新世代反獨策略行動綱領第三期的教育下橫向深化各部會之間的合作我們還是以宣導、巡查、快篩、檢測與輔導建立一個無獨的校園以上報告請各位委員及主席指教支持謝謝"},{"start":2740.186,"end":2765.638,"text":"其他單位的報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行詢答委員諮詢前原例做幾點宣告本會委員諮詢時間6分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員諮詢時間5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記那臨時提案的部分截止提出時間為11點與本會委員詢答完畢後處理請問各位委員有沒有意見"},{"start":2767.554,"end":2788.682,"text":"好 那現在進行詢答 請登記第一位許中信委員質詢主席 各位同仁 我們有請內政部這個部長 還有警政署張署長部長好"},{"start":2797.453,"end":2813.738,"text":"部長還有警政署的張署長我今天要來跟各位質詢一個主題是永康測數王選舉去幫忙永康測數王選舉去幫忙那這個是一個問號我要來請教"},{"start":2824.346,"end":2834.948,"text":"我們部長,2025年全國的違規交通違規罰款總額,達到多少錢?罰款總額我預估這個金額不會低,總額達到多少?包委員是測數的嗎?"},{"start":2853.25,"end":2877.066,"text":"測速跟那個爽紅燈委員這個我們是不是之後那個資料再來做提供因為首都沒有整體這樣的一個連您主管的部會也不知道因為有一些是地方的表示金額非常高是金額很高嘛永康今年的測速網那個地點"},{"start":2880.748,"end":2909.688,"text":"在於土薯窟到甲來土薯窟到甲內以及高速一階的二段交叉口的地方那個地方設固定的測速照相機表示我們政府相當了解當地的歷史我們在當地甲內有政經二王廟"},{"start":2911.102,"end":2937.303,"text":"鄭京是鄭成功的兒子嘛鄭京在附近騎馬太快摔馬去世所以在當地設固定的測試照相其實是符合鄭京給我們的告悔騎馬不能夠太快開車當然不能太快所以我們設置這個固定測試照相"},{"start":2938.288,"end":2963.555,"text":"科技執法這個都是利益良善但是我們必須要善用我們永康第二個科技執法也是測速網在於中正北路跟永安路的交叉口那麼這兩個測速網各位可以看到我的手頭上畫了兩個山峰"},{"start":2969.09,"end":2996.63,"text":"花個兩個山峰這兩個山峰是根據你們提供給我的金額只要有地方選舉罰款下降沒有選舉年罰款達到高峰到了2024年總統大選罰款又下降到7796所以2022總額補助給台南市政府的總額"},{"start":3000.376,"end":3009.561,"text":"6978那麼2023年補助給台南市分配給台南市政府9109萬那麼2024降下來分配給台南市政府7796到2025又飆升到8308分配給台南市政府"},{"start":3021.384,"end":3026.027,"text":"請問這兩個測數網是不是台南市政府所設置?是的,其實包委員,這些的測數跟這些的點位跟選舉沒有關係啦現在就是說"},{"start":3038.076,"end":3065.515,"text":"跟選舉有關 跟委員報告跟委員報告 這個有關的法案75%是分配給地方的 沒錯75% 不管是指甲市或 或者是台灣省的 這個給 給地方這個是地方設置 地方裁法 75%分給地方政府那麼地方政府12%用來改善交通設施 80% 88%可以用來做其他的財政的支給"},{"start":3066.616,"end":3072.983,"text":"所以這個會不會造成地方政府用罰款來抑制他的財政收入啊這個趨勢很顯然很顯然勇康測數王在選舉年表示他跑去幫忙選舉喔他沒有在測數喔"},{"start":3091.447,"end":3102.599,"text":"那麼沒有選舉的時候他又動起來又得到高峰所以兩個高峰都是在非選舉年如何解釋委員這個次數感是固定的跟選舉沒有關係"},{"start":3105.508,"end":3125.993,"text":"這個跟選舉沒有關係這個就是跟違規者的這個狀況的起伏我們也沒辦法去預控這個用路人的這個違規的狀態完全跟選舉沒關係表示沒有選舉年開車比較快喔那個固定桿是固定的 不會一來一去啊那表示沒有選舉年我們開車比較快沒有選舉年我們開車比較慢喔"},{"start":3130.492,"end":3158.365,"text":"委員這個完全跟選舉沒關 這個好像是這個趨勢幫我解釋一下 我要您幫我解釋委員這個是每個用路人他的用路的這個手法的習慣這個是當違規因為你們地方設置者75%分配給地方然後12%改善設施88%可以做財政的其他使用沒有限制會過成一個地方政府一個誘因嘛"},{"start":3159.431,"end":3171.764,"text":"我當沒有選舉的時候我多裁罰我的財政多收入你用人民的罰款來做財政收入這違反租稅法定主義這違反租稅法定主義所以"},{"start":3176.934,"end":3193.624,"text":"署長能不能幫我解釋這個圖為什麼這麼巧合這是你們提供給我的資料沒有 這個圖是用路人他的手法的習慣這個固定崗不是人偽的不是我們警察人偽它是用路人違規狀 經過車速感的狀況跟我們的主動的去做規劃是不是完全沒關係"},{"start":3201.654,"end":3230.772,"text":"完全沒有跟人委的沒關雙峰就是相關所以表示網會我們政經二王廟設在那裡叫我們開車不要超速因為他就是騎馬太快在那邊摔死設置在那邊很好但是當你把這個設置的原有的善良利益加以濫用來補助地方財政的收入"},{"start":3231.837,"end":3255.449,"text":"我個人認為不可認為不可絕對不可以有這種考量表示你們在對超速網要不要划你們有判斷有人為的因素在裡面而不是完全看測速結果所以你們才會在非選舉年划得比較多選舉年"},{"start":3258.41,"end":3275.826,"text":"怕失選票所以划得比較少這樣不妥吧我的看法跟委員的看法完全不同這個是固定感固定感不是人為的可以把它畫出來解釋這個圖為什麼會這麼巧合"},{"start":3281.533,"end":3289.279,"text":"所以我們不要枉費政經惡亡在那邊利妙給我們的啟示謝謝署長 謝謝部長我們下一位請張志倫委員發言質詢"},{"start":3312.519,"end":3328.396,"text":"好 謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請內政部劉世芳部長 海委會張忠榮副主委法務部馮長賜以及財政部關務署的彭處長"},{"start":3340.95,"end":3356.319,"text":"好 部長好今天是有針對這個獨駕的專案報告那本席要非常的遺憾大家可以看到最近這個獨駕橫行那從內政部的專案報告可以看到從110年獨駕刑法"},{"start":3359.361,"end":3375.912,"text":"移送數110年是43件到115年的1到4月尤其在114年的年底的查貨數高達8659件所以現在大家都在說這毒價是越抓越多毒價的數字從110年到114年上升了將近200倍"},{"start":3381.235,"end":3406.673,"text":"那我們也看到在我的選區中和在發生的這個獨駕撞死一死一傷造成社會嘩然所以本席非常的傷心也非常的憤怒所以我在11月115年的5月26號我召開了四場的會議不管是跨部會的討論或是拜訪我們的警政署張署長甚至請海巡署"},{"start":3408.993,"end":3431.073,"text":"來討論在今年1月破獲的嘉義的在製造用我們的依托米子的原料叫依托米子酸在製造我們的新興毒品以及今天在6月2號我開了第四場有關於毒審會他們的如何審查毒品的相關問題所以今天我要就教三個部分第一個"},{"start":3431.934,"end":3449.455,"text":"打擊毒品的源頭第二個擴大茶器的量能第三個修法加重刑責第一個我發現我們現在政府針對毒品的源頭完全是沒有掌握今年1月份在嘉義破獲了一個"},{"start":3450.396,"end":3467.396,"text":"加一個30歲的年輕人在一個製毒工廠在製造毒品他當時海巡署配合我們的警察去到現場發現了依托米子酸的原料叫做依托米子酸"},{"start":3469.151,"end":3498.226,"text":"結果在開上協調會的時候居然發現現在依托米子酸並非台灣所控管的管制毒品所以今天大家可以看到在我們的海巡署的第一頁的報告裡面居然寫說希望法務部可以把依托米子酸就是製造我們上司冤誕的原料來列入我們的第四類管制毒品我想要請教部長你知道這件事情嗎"},{"start":3502.934,"end":3529.586,"text":"台灣居然可以在台灣製造毒品毒品的原料伊托米子酸不是管制類毒品部長你知道這件事情嗎我知道這個部分但是主政機關由法務部來跟各位確認那行政院長他在邀請各部會這個有關於毒價零容忍的部分也提到這件事情部長你知道發生什麼事情了嗎可能要列入列管部長我要跟你報告海巡署的報告裡面寫伊托米子酸"},{"start":3530.626,"end":3553.69,"text":"因為現在非台灣的管制類毒品涉及於毒品所以現在我們的警視海巡署正在偵辦當中從今年一月到今年現在六月才說六月中要來讀審會來看報告這個五個月的空窗期販毒集團還在進口伊多米子酸我們上次煙彈的原料到底發生什麼事情"},{"start":3556.719,"end":3582.6,"text":"這邊跟委員報告 委員可能在數據上面那其實為什麼毒價的案件 毒品案件會這麼變多 依託面子變多是因為114年的11月開始檢測署才開始使用唾液的快篩那113年的 副署長 副署長 不好意思喔其實我有開過寫條會 原因就是海巡署檢測我們毒品原料的量能不足"},{"start":3583.741,"end":3606.42,"text":"所以他也沒有跟我們的警政署相關來配合所以才拖到現在相關五個月以後了我們現在的這個依托米子酸依托米子的原料還沒有辦法送到獨省會來去做檢驗所以部長你是不是可以未來應該要召開跨部會跨局處大家的協調依托米子酸這種才在台灣現在販毒提供還可以再進口"},{"start":3607.501,"end":3622.34,"text":"藏在我們台灣某一個角落這樣子的問題是非常相當嚴重的這邊我可不可以跟委員說明是因為我們當初查到說這不明物質我們並不曉得是什麼那我們檢測沒錯啊 就是你不知道是什麼嘛跟委員報告"},{"start":3623.041,"end":3642.609,"text":"你的查緝的量能你檢驗的量能也不夠嗎跟委員報告我們的所有的毒品資料庫的圖譜裡面沒有這樣東西那我請問這是不是上次煙彈的原料之一而且是重要原料因為這個原料是沒有列管的請問副署長這是不是重要原料是沒有列管的那是不是上次煙彈的原料"},{"start":3643.469,"end":3665.295,"text":"對 是他原料沒有錯 但是他沒有列管所以我們這個時候花一段時間去然後因為要把他列到毒防會來毒品審議委員會裡面要有一個程序就是你要把他的所有的檢驗品的這個相關的這些化學結構分析結果來來來 謝謝部長 請部長回來已經過了五個月 到今天本席在這邊質詢 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那當然四萬五千劑我們現在是目前的這個我現在會說一萬兩千就抓到了八千那四萬五夠不夠這個各縣市警察局大概就是會來做控管這個可以臨時來做證購的"},{"start":4376.519,"end":4400.104,"text":"所以他的這個縣市分配下去的比例數是如何?那各縣市的他們的預算會去做這樣的一個採購,不會說不夠。不會不夠,那每個縣市的比例呢?按照人口數嗎?對,因為他的這個各縣市的這個潮的這個特性跟量都不太相同,包括持家市各縣市的狀況不同。"},{"start":4401.544,"end":4420.064,"text":"所以警政署會督導他看他夠不夠嗎我們警政署會做督導會統一來做了解現存的多少所以手上已經有資料了嗎有資料有資料那第一我麻煩我們辦公室想要一份這樣的資料各縣市的狀況我們最想了解的是現在採購四萬五我們同意"},{"start":4421.545,"end":4445.726,"text":"但是四萬五夠還是不夠因為很多人會說一萬二就抓到八千那四萬五夠不夠但其實我有另外一個思考方向給署長這邊啦因為我認為是這樣根據我們現在其實我們在五月十三號今年的五月十三號還修正了一個取締儀式施用毒品後駕車作業程序嘛對不對其實你們是有明訂"},{"start":4446.747,"end":4466.725,"text":"明定喔遠景發現駕駛有不能安全駕駛情況經唾液篩檢陽性或據測居得因現行犯逮捕對不對所以一方面是給遠景這樣的權利只要看到他有不安全駕駛的狀況我就可以攔阻然後我可以要求要拖一塊篩測試"},{"start":4468.166,"end":4486.661,"text":"陽性 拒策我可以直接現行犯嘛一方面是給員警權利但是反過來他也是限制了員警在什麼樣的狀況下才可以來做這樣的測試就是要有不安全駕駛這是對人民我們我們台灣民主自由社會人權的保障沒有錯嘛對不對這是一個雙方平衡的狀況署長同意這個狀況嘛對不對同意 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這個是輔助型的因為有一些這個交通的狀況是這個社會的現狀不同嘛結果這個路亂是臨時一個禮拜出了兩次三次的這個車禍可是我非常肯定署長您這樣的一個見解但是"},{"start":6276.048,"end":6301.458,"text":"實際上常常基層是低線遠景有時候啦我不知道有沒有績效的考量還等等的常常都是在容易超速的點去做測速而不是在危險的路段去做測試我想這兩個差別你應該聽得出來那你說說未來我們也可能要要求地方的警局他們要自己要去檢視一下他們自己同仁去做臨檢的這個移動式的這個測速照相的時候有沒有符合我們的這個設置的要點"},{"start":6306.12,"end":6323.973,"text":"這個後續也可能要把馬上做一件事這部分我們會來做督考督考是不是依照這個因為這個要去測數就只要為了安全我們不是為了要開單啦我們是要為了民眾的安全不要發生交通事故這個是最大的原則那我來再麻煩署長 謝謝您請完美會委員"},{"start":6348.735,"end":6357.643,"text":"主席,我們鄉鎮署署長跟我們郭鎮署署長請教育保護員"},{"start":6372.326,"end":6382.249,"text":"老大 市長 在這裡我想跟我們高友博談一談 剛才有報告說你們在學校的選導是百分之百"},{"start":6391.509,"end":6399.992,"text":"齁 你是不是有說這樣 尤其你這點說得最清楚嘛齁在這個過程當中 我怎麼會叫國教署開國教署非常認真要不然你們知道現在電子煙對孩子也好 大人也好這個火災很大電子煙裡面放什麼 沒有人知道"},{"start":6419.435,"end":6438.166,"text":"再來老師也不知道電子煙的形態是什麼所以在國教署裡面他用這個電子煙的形態讓學生去說如果孩子有帶這個東西來又有可能是電子煙啊但是你知不知道"},{"start":6446.55,"end":6461.315,"text":"學校老師不知道,結果接到國教署所傳的印尼經學校的學生孩子,還有七個孩子,被電子驗入學校啦!這樣,我們的受理百分之百會選到,這樣會好過"},{"start":6469.938,"end":6477.244,"text":"但是是不是要再加強一個我們會我們會再持續因為我覺得在這裡探討是我們運盲學校很多人有毒的立場之後跟我們國家還會參與來請回在這裡面我要跟郭教授來探討一個問題來"},{"start":6498.953,"end":6499.794,"text":"市長來,在這個規定,我們的電子營到買車的時候,就是到我們地方的衛生局嘛在這個規定當中,我們市長有犯人無刑事責任嘛"},{"start":6519.747,"end":6525.13,"text":"是不是這樣?你不可以丟頭,你又說什麼?今天是要探討因為現在的電子煙,煙水量太嚴重了"},{"start":6535.878,"end":6536.138,"text":"國教署"},{"start":6565.418,"end":6565.573,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":6566.46,"end":6595.14,"text":"電子煙現在主管機關是衛福部管制藥品裡面的東西是不是什麼東西你要檢驗才會知道裡面有可能是毒品啊有可能是其他的那個可能是要增加氣味的原料裡面也放很多但是現在電子煙譬如講這個新出名的依託米子就是靠電子煙依託米子就是靠電子煙才有辦法吸食"},{"start":6595.8,"end":6612.787,"text":"這就是重點 重點 就是電子煙還沒炒的時候 到底什麼東西沒有人知道啦電子煙現在不能管制 這是管制的東西 就是製造化化運動都不可以管制 現在我就是說 你這樣一罐一罐一罐炒的時候 到現在"},{"start":6617.924,"end":6627.811,"text":"市長你既然又開了電子煙現在在碗頭是都有在炒碗頭都有在炒碗頭有在炒這要檢查啦來 市長在這個過程當中你已經跟我說了裡面如果有放毒的就是消費消失我們的台獨因為這衣托米子就只要靠電子煙"},{"start":6648.564,"end":6659.748,"text":"跟社會說我們電子銀行的心、管理的心會氾濫,有嚴重嗎?沒有嚴重嗎?我現在是要說這樣啦沒有啦,現在那個外部都有在管理啦"},{"start":6662.035,"end":6669.139,"text":"這樣 署長 你站好 你講清楚 啊 我就不可以 我有在開會啊好 來 有在開會 來署長 在這裡面 說實在 我們警察會查這個"},{"start":6679.656,"end":6683.959,"text":"大家非常辛苦,在辛苦的當中,我認為不是生意而已生意在那邊變來變去,也不是,我們是因為要讓這個獨家集團"},{"start":6696.309,"end":6697.489,"text":"當然喔 警察在外面在做執行勤務"},{"start":6715.54,"end":6725.324,"text":"來 市長 我現在要來請教這個 你的手裡裡面 有很多像說 基隆 台北 台中 基隆 它還有很多顧問但是說實在 市長 我今天怎麼會跟你說這些呢因為再來 就是自己的事"},{"start":6743.766,"end":6751.231,"text":"跟嘉義市的市長 我覺得我們的檢察很認真跟嚴格認真當中 我們這個手裡沒有代表所有放開出來這裡的人 檢察不要這樣你知不知道我們嘉義市的檢察局發佈一個什麼 你知不知道你的相片嗎 細胞來"},{"start":6772.349,"end":6776.111,"text":"你看一下,他說雖然這個修例對我們來說,他覺得不太鬆懈啦但是他這張的來比喻"},{"start":6784.983,"end":6795.51,"text":"這就是有警察去報案 把這個案子出來這是我們認真去抓這個案子 要不然我們如果不要抓在辦公室的時候 我們就沒有這個案子了我們就不會看在這裡 我們就被抓了"},{"start":6808.692,"end":6815.78,"text":"市長我不是看數字,因為這個突變獨特是流動性的流動性的市長,大家來,不要緊張我是要跟你說,我們的肥皂這樣,是否有適合"},{"start":6828.354,"end":6838.779,"text":"一個執政單位 要領導的人 他們說我如果不領在裡面 我的處理就可以變領這是非常沒擔當的人你看他喔 他說他如果消費不要去領這個處理就不會了 就漂漂亮亮領啦"},{"start":6856.892,"end":6859.78,"text":"所以他還說因為塞谷過來的大片 市長"},{"start":6863.471,"end":6877.616,"text":"我們抓毒品 抓壞人 還有分外的事你就是在那裡抓到 說不對 你就吃毒了是不是這樣 因為最近是怎樣 大家對毒本來大家就很邪惡啦 因為現在吃毒的人越來越多吃毒他要再開車 出來去弄死人"},{"start":6891.215,"end":6899.861,"text":"所以這張是所有的背景和你我都一樣都沒有臨時的行為啦所以署長 我覺得我們的執政單位說這些事實不適當你去了解看看 看他的心態是怎樣還是說 他又不愛啦"},{"start":6914.991,"end":6931.707,"text":"台灣的治安做好,跟所有18個營養,跟淡來賓就好了這是多少人辛苦拚了生命,還可以去查這個數據出來他為了他這樣,這樣感覺,署長委員這些方言不當啊,我們會來處理啦"},{"start":6939.926,"end":6956.333,"text":"因為我覺得實際上在這 我覺得不應該去發現這個比三歲小孩還要不如大家看得懂 去還要死 沒還要死他們的單位在裡面就好了他們這是什麼主席再問一件好事在這我來請教我們交通部的"},{"start":6969.989,"end":6970.77,"text":"市長請坐在這裡今天大家都說得對"},{"start":6985.914,"end":6992.056,"text":"這個測試違規的問題我認為違規本來就是要法這樣交通才會好安全使命才會保準的但是在這個過程當中有你們的世界或是對方的世界有時候要去變化那個車速的時候譬如說它有"},{"start":7013.302,"end":7013.763,"text":"60 到40 到80 到40 到40 到40 到40 到40 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我們先請劉部長"},{"start":7241.4,"end":7243.404,"text":"那個消防署的消署長是不是也在這邊好 謝謝"},{"start":7247.659,"end":7268.832,"text":"委員長好部長好署長好因為剛剛其實前面有委員有提到我想要藉這個時間先問一下這個消防隊不能開冷氣的問題我不知道署長部長最近有沒有看到網路上很多人在討論當然一開始是先高雄有一個消防分隊的看起來是替代役啦他在網路上說他們被限制開冷氣結果他一講之後"},{"start":7272.094,"end":7295.825,"text":"各縣市的消防隊員也紛紛上來說他們也是有同樣的情況那我看了其實覺得非常於心不忍因為我會覺得說我們消防署底下所有各縣市的消防局到消防分隊為了要省這個幾度電結果讓他們沒有辦法安心的出勤沒有辦法安心的備勤真的需要這樣子對他們嗎"},{"start":7297.886,"end":7316.171,"text":"報告委員 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這個源頭一定是才要管理所以這個是在衛福部那對於他的腺區炎辣不管是一通明 子酸 或者什麼二流的這些那在6月17號在讀審會全部會把它列管全源頭列管好 第一個源頭要列管第二個是 我認為邊境還是最重要 邊境管理"},{"start":7493.007,"end":7509.535,"text":"那我希望說海關目前使用的這個包括這個拉曼光譜儀等等的檢測的效能都可以再提升因為邊境管理如果能夠管理好進來的就少我相信這個是署長也很清楚沒有錯邊境管理也是一個源頭管理"},{"start":7511.016,"end":7517.378,"text":"其實我們警察單位也有拉這個拉慢的關補儀我知道 可是現在的波長是只有這個多少785吧對 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累犯這邊有累犯的數字刑度只有4.6個月只增加一個月他不斷獨駕再次被抓就是再多關4個月這樣子而已"},{"start":7684.984,"end":7704.604,"text":"這個要拜託 我認為這個加重刑責還是有其必要的雖然大家都說要有更有效的工具我覺得全面防堵啦源頭這邊管控非常必要那中間戒除毒癮的部分衛福部也都在進行了那最重要的這個給基層警力加強查緝的工具最後"},{"start":7705.445,"end":7725.184,"text":"這個加重刑責也是有其必要那我知道說我們近期已經把這個喪屍煙彈就是依托彌製本來是就是現在已經變是二級了那現在也有在研議要讓它變成一級獨特我們未來有可能就是要把它提升為一級是的好那我覺得這方面的研議都是有必要的在這邊真的拜託好謝謝署長謝謝委員"},{"start":7734.738,"end":7738.402,"text":"好 現在休息十分鐘休息"},{"start":8385.27,"end":8388.412,"text":"好 我們繼續開會 我們接下來請李柏毅、張偉偉發言質詢好 謝謝有請內政部劉部長、警政署張署長海委會副主委張偉豪謝部長"},{"start":8416.53,"end":8437.3,"text":"我想今天最重要就是針對這種新興的毒品這種伊托米子過去吸毒好像要很多工具啦然後現在因為有這個加熱菸的關係那加熱菸內容物其實就是現在我們全其實也不只台灣啦,全世界如臨大敵"},{"start":8438.41,"end":8463.369,"text":"那怎麼樣,包含剛剛很多委員講的,要怎麼樣從源頭來處理源頭處理就跟海巡跟海委會有關嘛台灣有沒有辦法產出這個東西?可以台灣有原料嗎?沒有原料,原料大概都是從國外進來的好,那國外進來它會空運還是海運?"},{"start":8464.465,"end":8473.752,"text":"都有可能現在就這樣子跟委員報告一下如果空運的話航警這邊有沒有相關的教育訓練"},{"start":8474.574,"end":8498.03,"text":"有,現在就這樣子,因為它的原料就是一多米子酸還有一些二硫酸,這一些有一些是目前沒有列管那我們在6月17號,那個法務部的讀審會會把列為管制藥品,那就可以做查禁大家都很擔心啦,那個海委會"},{"start":8502.495,"end":8517.561,"text":"海巡人員很辛苦但是到目前為止沒有查緝過相關的這些源頭對不對跟委員報告因為我們查的現在都是內陸內陸部那因為一頭米子酸以前是內陸部我意思是說暗巡有沒有"},{"start":8518.061,"end":8533.46,"text":"我們113人到現在已經查了56案 依托彌子的案子264公斤的依托彌子依托彌子 所以就是走由漁船進來嗎不是 陸路 都是陸地的都是陸路我們現在還沒有發現從漁船走是進來"},{"start":8534.341,"end":8552.39,"text":"因為原來的依托米子酸是沒有劣管的它是可以合法進來的依托米子酸原料它是液體還是粉末它是一個化學的粉末好那我們現在的海巡人員有辦法辨識這個化學粉末嗎"},{"start":8554.188,"end":8567.594,"text":"因為6月17號才要開胃把它列為四級毒品所以我們只要查到的話我們就我們有我們自己有實驗室可以去我們現在可以先把它在6月17以前可以如果看到這個東西的話可以先扣留嗎"},{"start":8568.581,"end":8591.986,"text":"我們會用指導的技巧先把它扣留所以今天開始就要我們本來就是這樣做現在就有扣留嗎它只要是跟我們查獲的案件有相關的這些證物包括化學品我們都會把它扣留現在就有扣留嗎已經有扣留 本來就扣留現在上一次1月份查到的我們扣留230幾公斤的化學原料"},{"start":8592.546,"end":8617.129,"text":"好,我們要從源頭啦,今天我們排的這個專案報告包含毒價但是我認為毒價跟酒價其實是一樣可惡但是最重要的是毒品一定要在社會上消失啊那這也是為什麼法務部為什麼矯正署現在在收容的這些裡面最多的樣態是什麼,是毒品"},{"start":8617.89,"end":8646.733,"text":"那我們也希望毒品可以消失那怎麼樣消失就是要靠我們執法單位包含把源頭斷掉包含警政署要把這些相關的可能這些可能涉及的這些吸毒的人口把它斷掉現在太可怕過去你吸毒你知道這是毒品過去這些可能煙毒犯他知道是毒品現在正在台灣發生現在正在我們的很多"},{"start":8648.444,"end":8652.737,"text":"有人錄影錄下來的這些吸毒的樣態其實他可能不知道那是毒品欸署長"},{"start":8655.12,"end":8683.195,"text":"署長他可能不知道那是毒品那宣導的部分其實在去年度其實警政署的預算宣導的預算也有被刪除我們等一下今天雖然沒有審議預算但是今天是預算報告那我們希望內政部包含警政署把這一件工作當成最重要最重要的工作是的我先表達我會支持這個媒體宣傳的費用的預算署長我們還可以做什麼"},{"start":8685.252,"end":8707.549,"text":"我覺得就是說這個要讓民眾知道說尤其就是現在相顯的衣托米紙他最主要是應用那個電子煙的這個工具來做吸食所以要讓民眾知道如果路上比如說我們的員警看到人家使用電子煙的話你會採取什麼方式要查看"},{"start":8709.011,"end":8729.701,"text":"所以電子煙全部查購嗎?路上喔?對獨駕是不是?沒有他使用電子煙的話電子煙現在是管制的這個東西那現在目前持有的部分是還沒有處罰的規定那會不會已經要把他納入做處罰的規定因為那防治法要做處罰"},{"start":8731.309,"end":8745.103,"text":"那在製造販賣或者是吸食有沒有可能電子菸的部分跟這個我們的拖曳快篩的部分就可以結合那相關的比例警政署要怎麼樣調整"},{"start":8746.451,"end":8767.149,"text":"那電子煉的部分是在衛福部那地方在做管制那我們查的這個獨家的部分有一些他電子煉是沒有放在車那吸完之後才來開車所以兩個部分都要去做執行因為電子煉是加那個伊托米子"},{"start":8768.37,"end":8792.924,"text":"也不是點很多大概一兩滴而已那簡單來講這個伊通米子它叫做喪屍煙彈它很快就是會喪屍這個精神的情形大概十分鐘以內而且它很快就會退了大概是在75分鐘左右就會退了對所以75分鐘以後可能就驗不到了有可能有可能所以有時候就是說很明顯可以看得到如果說"},{"start":8794.005,"end":8822.402,"text":"他這個喪屍的這些的這個狀態很容易可以辨別很容易可以辨別他是不是有沒有吸食這個乙酮米質可是還是很難防範啦我希望檢測署還是要有一套方法我們有這一個就是一個SOP的流程不管是在檢測觀察都有這個SOP的流程來做這樣的一個瞭解他是不是有沒有吸食毒米"},{"start":8822.79,"end":8838.169,"text":"好 請交通部 請交通部時間稍微暫停一下 謝謝好 謝謝你知不支持獨駕馬上扣車"},{"start":8840.067,"end":8857.382,"text":"支持好那我們就朝這個方向來做獨駕有獨駕的這個行為或者是預防性的扣車跟酒駕一樣我們全力支持好不好是我們支持我們會朝這個方向來做修那我們現在要修什麼如果要以道交條例35條的話獨駕如果署長那個先請張署長"},{"start":8864.622,"end":8889.702,"text":"如果現在6月17號我們現在要討論嘛對不對那是對原料的部分好6月17以後現在開始啦不要說6月17現在開始如果有吸毒被抓到的能不能馬上扣他的駕照扣駕照現在就是人啦人的部分逮捕羈押"},{"start":8891.403,"end":8895.211,"text":"車扣 扣駕照那未來如果說你依據什麼依據什麼扣駕照"},{"start":8898.692,"end":8921.578,"text":"這個是獨駕就扣駕照啊就是沒有駕沒有駕我現在講的是吸毒喔那未來如果沒有開車抓到吸抓到這個吸毒的部分費分類一級毒品二級毒品跟三級毒品四級毒品分級來做對於駕照的吊扣的註銷吊扣或註銷的這個相關規定交通部有在做這樣的一個處理好謝謝最後請劉部長"},{"start":8925.939,"end":8950.893,"text":"我們是不是可以朝這個方向如果有抓到吸食毒品的現在開始我們先取消他的駕照讓他不能上路對非常謝謝委員其實在兩個禮拜前我也是按照這樣的方向我希望因為吸食毒品的當下他其實已經喪失自己的心神再讓他駕車的話反而更危險所以不管是車或者是駕照我覺得都要施行這個扣或者是那個留的這個動作"},{"start":8951.974,"end":8964.953,"text":"那有一部分呢是我們的警察警政同仁在第一線就可以處理那另外一部分的話呢我們還是要依賴這個道路交通處罰條例要修法那如果修法過的話我想我們警政同仁會馬上全面實行好謝謝劉部長來最後請交通部次長"},{"start":8967.714,"end":8990.22,"text":"我跟委員報告一下剛才劉部長講的在修法的那個方向是我們未來一定會做的然後在修法之前剛才有一直特別提到如果只單純的吸毒沒有架的話那這一部分我們會修改我們的道路交通安全規則然後我們會在接獲這個吸食或試用毒品的這種通知了以後"},{"start":8990.76,"end":9007.092,"text":"我們就會通知該汽車駕駛人來做換照然後會加註附條件駕照的一個附條件那他如果沒有然後來換照如果他沒有來換照或做相關的獨引戒指以後我們是不發給他駕照的那這樣他就沒辦法繼續開車那他如果開車當然就有處罰條例21條的規定會予以處罰還有末路車輛是是是好 謝謝 謝謝"},{"start":9022.537,"end":9024.517,"text":"我們下一位請王紅威委員發言質詢好 謝謝主席我請我們劉世芳劉部長以及我們警政署張署長好 部長署長好來 我們先來看一段影片"},{"start":9059.773,"end":9067.296,"text":"等一下時間暫停一下你們還沒放影片就浪費我好多時間啊"},{"start":9083.127,"end":9092.211,"text":"銀色車輛左右搖擺跨越雙黃線行跡太詭異了被員警攔下來但駕駛驗身換三不下車就是不下車這時駕駛好因為時間關係啊這個駕駛拿什麼拿的是槍把槍掏出來因為齁"},{"start":9109.389,"end":9133.375,"text":"取締毒價跟取締酒價有一些不同除了取締的方式不一樣我們常常講黑、金、槍、毒常常擁有毒吸毒也常常它的就是擁槍的比例也比較高可以看到它在後面沒有就是其實我們的警察沒有用槍後來強制把它壓制警察自始至終沒有把槍掏出來我們來看下一個"},{"start":9138.976,"end":9164.342,"text":"署長最近接受媒體的採訪署長採取非常強硬的態度署長力挺獨將要判死那顯然現在我們行政院所提出來的到這個刑度還沒有到死刑但是我們現在立法院有些委員提出了連續要把死刑納入另外喊話遠景就是該用槍就用槍"},{"start":9167.322,"end":9190.682,"text":"講起來 老說高層講起來是一張嘴 基層跑斷腿在去年台北市 曾經發生 大家應該記憶猶新從地下街的捷運站 一路到整個商圈 後來跑到頂樓很多民眾看到那個影片 但最後嫌犯是罪有身亡"},{"start":9191.443,"end":9195.484,"text":"那警察追到頂樓的時候警察自始至終沒有把槍掏出來是拿著這個警棍還有這個手電筒當時就有人很多質疑說這個嫌犯已經又丟煙霧彈已經又直接的砍人了可是為什麼警察都不敢用槍"},{"start":9215.209,"end":9239.18,"text":"所以當署長說該用槍就用槍的時候為什麼我們的警察這麼怕用槍我剛才顯示那個影片是最近就是在取締獨駕的時候這個獨駕者就掏出他的這個手槍改造的手槍所以我要講我們第一線基層員警執勤是非常非常非常危險的"},{"start":9240.2,"end":9257.16,"text":"但是過去的案例,我們的很多員警,當他用槍之後,然後就是面對跑不完的法院,寫不完的報告,而且直接纏受好多年,這一段時間他的考級全部不能夠打考級。"},{"start":9260.544,"end":9278.543,"text":"所以我要講的就是說我們今天對於像獨駕的部分我們剛剛討論很多委員關心整個的獨一就是你的那個唾液的快篩還有就是相關的修法的問題我很關心的就是我們基層遠景的安全問題"},{"start":9279.804,"end":9287.707,"text":"因為獨駕者其實他用槍的比例真的就是比較高這一點我必須要提醒署長署長講一句話說該用槍就用槍可是為什麼我們的員警不敢用槍好來下一張"},{"start":9295.049,"end":9305.962,"text":"而且我們也是這麼辛苦的這麼辛苦的把獨駕抓到了可是我們最近看到很多到了法院通過吳保請回啊吳保請回的比例非常非常高搞到基層的員警還有檢察官都很無力啊無奈啊"},{"start":9314.332,"end":9338.795,"text":"所以好不容易抓到 取締了最後都無保請回 他抓等於白抓所以我們覺得整個的政府不是單純的是我們第一線員警的工作而是整體我們其他的配套的措施還有包含我們法院如果我們一次又一次看到都是無保請回請問一下我們為什麼要讓我們的精神員警"},{"start":9340.609,"end":9362.211,"text":"冒這麼大的風險然後他取締了之後我剛剛看到那個案例啊直接把槍掏出來欸員警不敢掏槍欸所以我在這邊也希望說我們整個的政府體系你要抓毒價取締毒價就應該整體的動起來而不是大家花了這麼大的力氣結果根本沒有辦法好"},{"start":9364.632,"end":9375.417,"text":"時間暫停一下我再請我們因為今天我們有好幾個部會來我們的交通部次長有來交通部以及速發部我想要看"},{"start":9383.42,"end":9394.236,"text":"今天正好你們幾個部會都有來有一件事情我覺得一定要請我們各部會做協調它不是只有一個內政部或警政署的事"},{"start":9395.666,"end":9418.925,"text":"我剛才提到去年1219在台北市發生了在北捷車站還有台鐵車站地下街丟煙霧彈然後又跑到捷運站隨機砍人然後多人遭到攻擊造成非常非常大的這是一個撼動全社會的一個治安事件那在"},{"start":9420.342,"end":9442.558,"text":"前天我們內政委員會到我們的台北市消防局我們原來是考察它的無人機救災那其中台北市消防局提出了一個問題我覺得非常的重要就是在這個案例裡面因為它橫跨包含台鐵車站"},{"start":9444.119,"end":9469.41,"text":"捷運車站高鐵車站地方政府後來警政署也有介入嘛但是出現了一個問題因為各單位的通訊的系統其實是不一致的各單位的通訊系統有一些是用類比有一些用數位有些局部類比局部數位沒有整合也就是中央地方"},{"start":9474.054,"end":9488.862,"text":"郭鐵台鐵跟地方的警政署消防署他的通訊設備是沒有整合的好那那個案件我們可以視之為所謂的治安事件但是未來也有可能出現像救災"},{"start":9490.183,"end":9503.274,"text":"不管是重大治安或者是說這是恐攻或者未來有這個重大的災害的時候各單位的通訊系統必須要有一個整合機制所以我們在"},{"start":9507.037,"end":9514.623,"text":"那天我們在考察的時候台北市消防局特別提到這個問題那我也感謝內政部的次長吳次長他當天在現場他也說願意帶回來跟我們交通部還有跟我們速發部一起來研擬這個問題那今天正好交通部次長在這邊那我不曉得你們是不是也注意到這個問題"},{"start":9530.134,"end":9541.241,"text":"未來職權的問題通訊整合的問題那碰到重大災害重大的資安事件是不是應該就是盡快的來做這個整合的機制"},{"start":9543.266,"end":9566.031,"text":"做個說明 委員剛才舉例台北火車站的事件也讓我們看得到說整體的有關這個場戰的不管是治安或是災防的一個重要而且整合的重要性所以這部分我們已經責請我們本部的鐵道局就這樣的一個case來做相關的一個檢討然後來確立後的這個指揮體系等等的救援的體系"},{"start":9570.572,"end":9586.181,"text":"那另外剛才委員特別提到說有關這個在災防搶救的時候相關通訊如何能夠互相應該是相容然後能夠互相能夠communicate這部分原則上我的了解整個行政院有一個災防體系會在這樣的一個災防體系"},{"start":9589.063,"end":9603.799,"text":"因為這點很重要台北市消防局他提出來他們在1219確實碰到這個問題通訊無法整合所以當然外界會認為說為什麼讓他這個人跑來跑去跑來跑去因為他到不同的地段的時候他的通訊系統是不一樣的"},{"start":9605.28,"end":9616.125,"text":"另外我們請一下內政部 劉部長因為這裡面也涉及到消防跟警政署因為它來自於中央地方以及高鐵跟台鐵這些警政系統它們之間的整合我感謝吳次長說他有很具體的一個回應"},{"start":9629.031,"end":9642.062,"text":"那我們未來是放在災防系統的通訊的整合嗎其實我不管啦 就說你是災防也好或重大治安 只要通訊能夠整合它未來 因為你也不排除會發生恐攻事件啊 也有可能啊那當然 1219這個是一個孤狼事件 一個人在犯案如果是出現大規模的恐攻 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需要時來一口所以才會放在車子上很容易去被就是說他來使用 一停下車就吸一口所以這個對於這個這件事情 不曉得這個次長您的對電 包括物化器的管制納入這個毒品 你有一些想法嗎 時間有限就是說您有一些想法嗎 有考慮要做檢討嗎"},{"start":10244.565,"end":10265.639,"text":"跟委員報告就是說這個部分衛福部已經在著手就是對於煙害防治環境的地方就是家園管理的意思啦對 他們有去針對這個地方去做處理那毒品危害防治條例的部分委員剛剛有提到在讀審會的部分我們會針對依托米子跟依托米子酸這個部分把它那個類型就是說考慮就是再提升一級主席謝謝我針對一張投影片請兩位次長看一下右邊這個圖"},{"start":10268.081,"end":10282.656,"text":"像不像手搖店的菜單啊因為現在有的叫奶茶煙在校園流行啊它的外型就像這個手搖杯其實是大眾所熟悉的電子煙啦那孩子覺得是玩具就買來吸啊但是內容成物不明我們覺得很可能變成新興毒品的一個溫床那左邊這個是美國的肯辛頓大道也被稱為是殭屍大道"},{"start":10289.423,"end":10305.629,"text":"因為街上都是他們的毒品現在的問題是芬太尼那我們是依託彌子所以川普甚至說芬太尼是大規模的毀滅性的武器我是希望部會們各部會要明白新興毒品它的重點就是推陳出新所以你要超前部署"},{"start":10306.409,"end":10321.824,"text":"如果你沒有超越不足的話,等到殭屍大盜出現在台灣我們不希望,我們已經是詐欺亡國了,現在不希望將來這個毒品這樣的污名在我們這個台灣出現,好嗎請兩位部長,兩位次長,多多注意,謝謝謝謝主席我們下一位請楊瓊英委員發言質詢"},{"start":10339.848,"end":10356.347,"text":"養成發言謝謝主席邀請內政部衛福部法務部三位餵好"},{"start":10360.362,"end":10385.207,"text":"三位首長好我們針對今天的議題也就是獨駕這個議題我們來做討論所謂的喪屍煙彈伊托米子它已經快速的在擴散而且是成為新興毒品治理當中重大的一個缺口我們用數字來說話我們看到今年四月份以來四個月就有4725件"},{"start":10388.479,"end":10405.587,"text":"那麼我們看到去年同期的等於是增加了2.7倍那我們又看到2024年一整年它光光四個月就已經超過113年的一整年"},{"start":10406.894,"end":10433.988,"text":"所以在這樣情況之下警政署長在5月29號他接受訪問的時候他說毒架就像一顆不定特定的炸彈在路上行駛不是傷就是亡那我們又看到毒品的流通檢驗的認定毒架查緝到刑事的一個處罰到目前為止是分散在各地"},{"start":10435.031,"end":10448.676,"text":"各個單位是如此形成了各管各管一段沒有人去做整個統合而且我們看到現在伊多米子長期它偽裝成電子菸的一個菸油在這樣的情況之下我們看到快速的擴散在校園在這個社區裡頭"},{"start":10459.98,"end":10482.605,"text":"那年輕人似乎成為新興毒品的主要的一個滲透對象所以因此我們在新型的毒價檢驗標準累犯的管理以及刑責規範好像沒有辦法去抑止這樣子的一個高危險以及高再犯率"},{"start":10484.133,"end":10497.362,"text":"所以本席認為獨駕它不是只有一個單純的交通違規事件它是橫跨了獨品防治公共安全以及國家治理的一個高度系統的一個風險"},{"start":10499.363,"end":10527.7,"text":"在這樣情況之下如果再不整治可能會讓道路形成獨駕橫行的公共安全的一個破口所以我首先要請教內政部長警局署長公開的表示獨駕是不確定的故意殺人甚至他表態支持獨駕致死最高刑 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您剛才也特別說了"},{"start":10616.618,"end":10625.586,"text":"它現在已經是檢驗量的暴增而且是數百倍的在增在這樣情況之下獨駕檢驗的濃度的一個門檻檢驗的方法我們是不是"},{"start":10632.745,"end":10658.919,"text":"要做全面性的一個檢討這個部分是我們食藥署會針對這個檢驗的方式這個跟實驗室這邊來互相來做一個檢討啦那有關是不是要下降這個就是預值的部分我們目前也在檢討中有去詢問大概各個實驗室的狀況那這個部分我們會依照這個如果有需要的話我們就會調降還是"},{"start":10661.638,"end":10675.106,"text":"朝調降的方式標準去討論是不是因為我們深怕願得到獨但是辦不了案所以那你這個時間大概會多久時間呢"},{"start":10676.861,"end":10684.987,"text":"這個部分我們還要再召開專家會議大概多久時間會告訴給社會大眾是不是要降低這個標準這個月以內我們來一個月內是是是一個月這個一個月內好 法務部董事長是本席提出刑法第185條之三也就是針對獨駕致死行為提高法定的"},{"start":10704.577,"end":10729.914,"text":"刑度處死刑或無期徒刑來回應現行的獨駕犯罪嚇阻不足的問題你同意這個方向嗎就是委員報告獨駕的加重這個部分我們已經有在研議了而且我們會針對酒駕跟獨駕這個部分去做脫鉤請回答本席的提問你同意本席的185條之3的一個提案嗎"},{"start":10732.376,"end":10759.337,"text":"跟委員報告 刑度的部分我們會做最後的研議但是跟委員講的是說其實在個別的獨駕致死的時候它有些狀況它是也會有剛剛如同那個警政署長講的那個叫不確定殺人故意的話它會構成殺人罪那個時候它就有可以構成殺人罪的死刑無期徒刑所以單純的這個獨駕致死這個部分刑度上我們會從重來處理因為它的樣態很多嘛所以我們一個原則"},{"start":10760.768,"end":10784.128,"text":"也就是要怎麼樣嚇阻能夠保障這個是非常重要所以你剛剛所說的也就是同意這樣的一個方向我們會從重來處理只是說死刑無期徒刑這個部分如果剛剛是到不確定殺人故意的這個狀況的話殺人罪這個部分我們檢察官目前也有用這樣的方式來去做羈押然後也有用這種方式來起訴法院目前也有在支持"},{"start":10784.528,"end":10800.943,"text":"所以在單純上如果是獨駕致死這個部分上的刑度到底要多重的部分我們是不是給我們一個在法律的一個橫平性這邊去做但我們會針對這個部分上去加重來去處理好 趕快據言您要怎麼樣請支持本席的提案最後我拋出一個議題請內政部長"},{"start":10802.825,"end":10821.17,"text":"你們有提出了在116年部長116年到117年你們要導入詐騙的這個系統的部分呢包括了165專案受理等那涉詐的經驗預警跟網路詐騙的這些偵測功能是在116年到117年嗎"},{"start":10823.711,"end":10832.591,"text":"請教AI的導入其實我們已經開始進行了只是因為預算太少所以我們現在進行的速度沒有像委員要求那麼快"},{"start":10834.042,"end":10855.048,"text":"所以你對外宣佈的是116跟117你要把專案提出來因為現在詐騙的都已經在收割AI的成果那我們最後還跟著後面跑會喚不及其疑所以你們應該去整體的一個去討論因為目前的一個量碳非常重要希望委員支持116年的預算AI的部分"},{"start":10864.693,"end":10889.206,"text":"好 謝謝楊瓊英委員 接下來請王逸川委員好 謝謝主席 我們請交通部跟警政署署長 謝謝好 請交通部陳次長 還有警政署張署長委員好好 這個先請教交通部"},{"start":10890.27,"end":10912.934,"text":"我們在做道路設計的時候先進行公路幾何設計嘛是然後上面都有設計速率那就會定一個速限速限那接下來透過交通工程標誌標線號誌提醒用路人使用這個道路應該用什麼速度來行駛然後哪裡是危險的路段我這樣講沒有錯吧沒有錯我剛剛講到這裡都還沒有講到測速照相"},{"start":10916.195,"end":10943.175,"text":"沒有 測速照相是最後一關了 是就公路子的設計 收下去了 不知道該怎麼辦交通工程想辦法 讓大家能夠在那個危險的地點或者是路段 進行減速更沒辦法 測速照相才要出手嘛沒錯吧 是阿為什麼現在測速照相都警察在負責啊因為它是一個 現在來講它算是一個執法的設備啦好 來 警政署"},{"start":10945.33,"end":10970.74,"text":"蘇長你們現在各縣市警察局在裝測速照相我剛剛講的那一些是你們考量的重點嗎剛才那個測速射速這些交通部的前者但是我們考的重點就是這些的路段路口是不是會發生這些交通事故的好那你們就是看依照是地點嘛看A1事故嘛然後分析A1或A2或A3啦跟這個速度有沒有關係嘛"},{"start":10973.749,"end":10989.978,"text":"對不對跟速度也有關係如果跟速度沒關幹嘛測速照相那是要跟速度有關的嘛是好那跟速度有關這件事你們警政署各縣市警察局交通隊交通大隊有辦法去處理跟公路局的設計交通工程喔"},{"start":10990.638,"end":11008.55,"text":"這沒辦法嘛,你們一定要問交通部門嘛,所以這條我一件一樣的,包括交通部跟警政署啊我看你們兩個人的報告啊,地方大家也搞不清楚,奇怪,那廁所上升的,都說警察上升的警察上升的,上升的,中央上升的,警政署上升的"},{"start":11009.67,"end":11014.396,"text":"現在都不是這樣,交通部門叫警政部門為了交通安全你們要合作這個機制出來因為我看交通部的報告裡面說,這都是警政署的權責啊您前面那一段,公路集合設計的改善、交通工程標誌標証、號誌改善,這個都沒辦法啊"},{"start":11031.187,"end":11037.831,"text":"副市長你也做工廠做新的嘛 董事長也做工廠做新的嘛這裡是我們做工廠的人 要先做好 還真的沒辦法跟車警察去設一個測速照相 我這樣說對不對沒有錯 你這個機制 再想辦法改變一下好不好是 我要告訴廣播 再密切去做這個合作"},{"start":11052.481,"end":11059.303,"text":"接下來兩位繼續留著接下來我們來講這個獨駕的事件我知道行政院已經請各部會針對這個電子煙 持有 使用 駕車 獨駕這些東西通通在做討論對不對 剛剛也提到說可能敗時可能明天就有相關的討論好 我先問一下這個交通部"},{"start":11079.977,"end":11094.442,"text":"我們很多手段都說 要調扣駕照 要調銷駕照請問調扣駕照 調銷駕照以後 他會不會再上路他還是會上路好 那他會上路 接下來呢 你還抓到了他今天去購車 去給你扣了 去給你調銷 明天再繼續開車 還給你抓到了怎麼辦"},{"start":11102.918,"end":11121.278,"text":"所以駕駛的部分會滴滴地換,這沒問題車的部分會把它吊扣,會把它修起來,保管它但是我們會朝向,而後可能要把它沒入對啦,就是這句話啦,我告訴你,很多人會被打架啦被打架你知道嗎,他就現在酒駕"},{"start":11123.305,"end":11129.229,"text":"獨駕 現在去給警察撞到了嘛 因為可能自己去弄電話條或者是肇事嘛車就去弄烤起來嘛 你們警察就把他烤起來對不對 烤起來 大家也去給咖啡廚烤起來烤起來 幾天幾十次 我老媽等我這個人 我說你不是去弄烤起來嗎她說我媽用抓到就好了 我問你現在開什麼車 我說我媽媽的車"},{"start":11149.207,"end":11172.952,"text":"結果如果去用抓到,他媽媽的車可能要用靠兩年兩年後這台車又崩盤了,對不對?所以,我是建議這樣,我這台老天爺,我已經開始聯署了我是建議這樣啦,你記得啦,獨駕九駕去用吊銷、吊扣駕照的期間你繼續獨駕九駕,不管有沒有造勢繼續獨駕九駕,不管有沒有造勢這台車,這台車不用再靠白了啦,一台這台車就給它沒收了啦"},{"start":11180.051,"end":11199.219,"text":"有的被拖到第二天之後又開,又開跑車一路人在撞他們老婆給他開,他們爸爸給他開,他們老公阿嬤給他開啊我們現在說車主不一定知道,你管理車主知道嗎?要生小孩生成這樣,他已經獨家酒家給他搞起來了你大人又給他炒,繼續開,開去還弄到人,這樣可不通?這條我建議你們一定要去研議"},{"start":11206.243,"end":11212.207,"text":"別說要靠兩年 兩年以後也一樣啊這中央又獨家就有家 這也要拿去搬啊這肆無忌憚欸你告訴市長說 給我發錢發錢 他就不怕你發錢啊 你才給我發幾萬你來一台跑車三百萬五百萬 整台給我廢掉"},{"start":11227.759,"end":11243.542,"text":"把這個末梳毀掉就會痛啦所以這一條我是建議啊要這一個進行相關的討論看想辦法把這些規定給修掉市長你有贊成嗎有贊成我們會朝這個方向來做修法的動作好"},{"start":11244.144,"end":11249.488,"text":"那最後啊,我這一個因為內政部的部長也提了我不知道這個案子主政的這個單位是什麼當然行政院來召集啦那我提了很多條的修法,我把這個放到最後一張最後一張就是我所有的修法都在裡頭啦那你記得明天才要討論,跟車僚部長一堆把他帶回去"},{"start":11269.583,"end":11296.532,"text":"把病案去討論一下啦有人問這可不是院辦 我說這不是院辦啦我們討論出來的結果啦 大家可以看得出來持有電子煙叫毒品 使用電子煙販賣運輸毒價 毒價造成死亡的交通事故 改罰金 吊扣 吊銷 車子沒入各式各樣的規定這硬式的都是我政府要這樣做的 你們給我討論一下"},{"start":11299.173,"end":11314.276,"text":"我們早上回去,林衛說的毒品、煙害、交通、刑法分散在法務部、衛福部跟交通部,他們也都是全部的主政單位對,所以這給你們建議,因為有時候是這樣,就是彼此法律之間這種的,我們現在為了獨家給他拉很遠,結果有一種比獨家還要靠後的,比他多"},{"start":11326.019,"end":11340.606,"text":"所以這個對照表出來之後,我們才可以回去討論希望明年在行政院討論,可以有一個具體的成果讓國人覺得,我們的政府真的有關心這件事以上,好,謝謝好,謝謝王逸川委員,接下來請李崑城委員"},{"start":11358.697,"end":11376.471,"text":"好 謝謝主席那我們請這個警政署的張署長然後還有這個法務部的馮次長那今天司法院有代表來嗎沒有好 沒關係那我們先請那個張署長還有這個馮次長"},{"start":11381.423,"end":11405.918,"text":"請教署長跟次長這個今年四月立法院三讀通過刑事訴訟法然後把這個不能安全駕駛罪含酒駕還有毒駕全面納入預防性的羈押的條款然後五月正式上路然後高檢署也下令積極要申請這個預防性的羈押嚇阻毒販然後我們的警察也全面推動了這個唾液的快篩"},{"start":11408.599,"end":11430.508,"text":"實施呢 誰到誰開 移送 羈押但是呢 要成功羈押呢 法院還有三個要件第一個 犯罪嫌疑重大第二個 有反覆實行同一犯罪之餘第三 有羈押的必要我現在就講一個個案 彰化瓦斯車獨駕那件事情我先問 這個檢察官提抗告了沒有"},{"start":11433.451,"end":11446.481,"text":"提了這件事情引起大家的憤怒的原因在於說警察很認真在抓警察官很認真在起訴到了法院那邊呢法官怎麼講他說第一個"},{"start":11447.967,"end":11466.469,"text":"你們認為啦 簡簡單單認為說 他有吸毒啊 而且有這個前科啊 對不對而且呢 他職業具有高度的風險 因為他是在運送這個瓦斯桶啊所以呢 他有這個高度的再犯的風險但是呢 法官他說 以前有前科 不保證說未來一定會再做同樣的事情啊"},{"start":11467.49,"end":11480.959,"text":"那所以呢他認為沒有反覆實施之餘啦第二個呢這個檢方主張呢他是自撞車禍而且呢現場已經有驗出了這個快篩的這個唾液是陽性的"},{"start":11482.26,"end":11502.548,"text":"這屬於證明說這個是開車的時候受到毒品的影響那法官怎麼講法官說沒有啊這只能證明說體內有代謝物在最終的尿液精密定檢報告出爐之前沒有辦法憑快篩就直接推論駕駛已達不能安全駕駛的犯罪狀態他已經智壯了還"},{"start":11504.748,"end":11523.618,"text":"法官還認為說他已經沒有說他不能安全駕駛那我就請問一下檢警努力抓哇 我們這個口號也很喊得也很大聲隨到隨開 移送羈押到法院那邊就把你吳寶請回啦那現在遇到這種事情怎麼辦"},{"start":11526.355,"end":11551.089,"text":"跟委員報告 事實上來講我們監警的努力我們還是持續在會做那對於說法院如果認為說是無保請回的部分我們認為如果生壓羈押的話我們就會提抗告我知道了 我是說那中間的落差你們現在羈押率是七成嘛 對不對跟委員報告 如果是致死的部分我們目前十一件裡面生壓的是十件 準壓是九件那那個準壓的率是九十趴"},{"start":11551.849,"end":11580.026,"text":"準壓90%對 最致死的部分然後如果是預防性羈押的部分生壓30件 準壓21件這個核准率是七成對啊 我剛才就講就是說你預防性羈押是七成嘛那三成就是我剛才講的啊這個部分我們會努力不是啊 不是你們努力 你們很努力的所以我剛才在問說有沒有司法院的代表嘛那現在就是說檢警在辦這個獨駕我們口號也喊得很大啊但是到法官那邊他就跟你講說沒有啊 還沒有反復實施之餘啊"},{"start":11582.367,"end":11599.087,"text":"你驗出是唾液是快篩是陽性但是有可能是沉流物啊他還要等這個最終的尿液的報告出來啊那中間的落差怎麼辦這才是人民在關心的啊是委員我們也會監警的能力就是把證據的部分還有這個要件的部分弄得更"},{"start":11599.908,"end":11625.459,"text":"所以你們當初送出去的證據還不夠嗎 還不夠充足嗎其實我們在預防性羈押這件事情上因為跟委員報告 唾液現在並沒有辦法說來作為一個那個判斷嘛那是未來將來我們的考量的部分但目前以預防性羈押的部分上的話這一塊上有一些法官他的判斷部分還沒有達到一致性那目前七成我們繼續努力嘛我們希望是說能夠那怎麼樣去達到這一致性呢 有的"},{"start":11627.62,"end":11652.275,"text":"預防性羈押成功有的就無保請回那中間的落差到底在哪裡這個彰化這個獨駕瓦斯車這件事情這個大概已經很大討論了它是獨駕自撞欸它還不是說零檢欸那結果法官還認為說沒有達到不能安全開車這就是你們當初證據是怎麼送的讓法官認為說它還可以安全的開車它是自撞欸"},{"start":11653.532,"end":11675.265,"text":"委員我們這部分我們有充分的敘述理由去抗告啦我們相信說我們會努力做這個事情那中間的落差怎麼辦我認真說中間的落差是人民在質疑目前大家對於直駕獨駕這件事情警政署警察在抓很努力然後呢這個檢察官很努力那結果到法院那邊"},{"start":11677.328,"end":11701.19,"text":"這個是不是可能再去跟司法院這邊看怎麼樣的一個就是說把這個我們彼此之間的意見能做一個共識那我再問啦就是說現在我們對於這個新興毒品這個訂出這個濃度的標準現在的情況是怎麼樣因為現在只要是說你有達到這個標準就是當作這個抽象危險犯了對不對"},{"start":11702.526,"end":11727.474,"text":"來做處理嘛那對於這一個新興毒品目前的這個公告的標準我們有與時俱進在做處理嗎這署長要回答還是次長要回答那這個新興毒品如果是一通米子的話它的益值目前是50有一定的標準有要再做調整嗎應該會做調整因為它的衰退期很快所以它的益值應該會往下調"},{"start":11731.456,"end":11745.746,"text":"因為他11多米大概在70分鐘之後就驗不出來了嘛所以他的抑止現在如果在50的話應該太高這個抑止部分我們可能就要建立那個獨屬會這個部分會把這個抑止做調降這個是內政部在處理還是衛福部在處理衛福部啊來衛福部那個莊市長"},{"start":11756.055,"end":11784.141,"text":"那馮市長先請回好了這個要去跟司法院再溝通一下啦有關這個實驗室的這個預值的調降這是由我們食藥署這邊跟實驗室這邊我們一起來找專家來討論那來研判說我們目前的各實驗室的機器是不是有辦法再調降啦那目前大概大致上就是說如果要達到這個部分大概只有一家實驗室必須要再投資設備這樣子"},{"start":11785.641,"end":11808.615,"text":"所以會往調降這個方向做處理?是,是,是,在一個月之內我們會往這個沿逸一個月之內主席,我再問最後一個問題,這個市長在這邊就是說現在我們對於這個依托米子的這個前驅原料的管制處理方式怎麼樣?因為至少我知道就有兩種嘛一種是依托米子酸,一種是二氫基依托米子"},{"start":11810.161,"end":11827.035,"text":"現在對於這個先驅原料我們的處理包委員我們是管藥的部分這個屬於毒品的部分可能是經濟部的這個部分來管那是誰在管經濟部經濟部在管這個嗎經濟部今天有代表來嗎"},{"start":11832.145,"end":11853.381,"text":"我記得說這個先驅原料沒有在管理嗎?委員我報告一下先驅原料現在目前是一個伊托米子酸跟肝胺酸乙酯那這些先驅原料現在是可以進口進來但是這個先驅原料我們在6月17號讀審會就會把它列管了列管就是這個不能進口進來"},{"start":11855.322,"end":11876.876,"text":"那他查得到嗎?我的意思是說不能進口但是查得到嗎?那源頭會查得到啊,不管是在邊境或者是這些工廠我們都可以查得到啊都查得到?如果說要從這個國外運進來也查得到?會查得到,列管之後不能進口就會查得到啊在關口海關那邊會查得到目前的一切查得出來嗎?查得出來,會查得到那個彭署長有在這裡嗎?"},{"start":11881.521,"end":11907.089,"text":"來來來,不好意思,我簡單請署長回答一下,海關這邊,這查得出來嗎?它這個先驅原料查得出來嗎?呃,那海關第一線查到也是要送那個法務部的化驗室去化驗才知道對,那如果說查得出來這個是屬於先驅原料嗎?查得出來嗎?列管之後就查得出來列管之後查得出來,所以你們六月十七號之後會列管,它的先驅原料就對了?是是好,OK好,謝謝,謝謝主席"},{"start":11914.569,"end":11922.856,"text":"好,各位委員會報告,我們現在先處理臨時提案,今天有委員徐欣穎等提出臨時提案一案,請宣讀"},{"start":11924.598,"end":11950.238,"text":"臨時提案一委員徐欣盈等提案案有有鑒於新竹縣多條公路客運路線由易潔科技整合股份有限公司接手營運後長期發生托班減班停駛及駕駛人力不足等情勢嚴重影響學生就學勞工通勤長者就醫及偏鄉居民基本交通權益相關問題自接手初期及陸續浮現主管機關亦早已掌握駕駛不足班次異常及營運風險等訊息卻長期以協調開會及"},{"start":11954.441,"end":11968.509,"text":"低度裁罰取代積極監理與有效處置致使問題反覆發生民怨累積依公路法第四七條規定主管機關除得限期改善外尚得採取"},{"start":11969.619,"end":11992.208,"text":"停止部分營業停止全部營業及廢止執照等措施並明定應採取適當措施維持營運運輸不中斷維交通部及所屬公路主管機關長期已駕駛不足業者難尋及接手困難等理由作為主要說明卻未能建立有效之預警機制預警監測備援皆時退場接管及高風險業者"},{"start":11994.07,"end":12007.244,"text":"監理制度形成業者反覆違規政府反覆開罰人民反覆受害之惡性循環今日問題已非單純業者經營不善而是交通部公路局及監理機關監理失能風險管理失靈及公用運輸治理失敗之重大行政缺失當主管機關早已掌握風險"},{"start":12015.533,"end":12034.044,"text":"問題卻持續惡化已非個案意外而是系統性失職為保障人民交通權益重建公共運輸信任及追究相關行政責任原提出本案其應辦內容如下請公路局查明及督導並將執行成果提出書面報告其應辦內容共計七項請參閱書面資料宣讀完畢"},{"start":12043.626,"end":12065.143,"text":"好,那徐月文有要補充說明嗎?沒有那交通部?沒有意見啊,好是照修正通過還是你直接改的?照修正通過好,那就照修正內容通過,請問有無異議?沒有好,通過那我們接下來繼續尋答,我們接下來請洪孟凱委員發言質詢"},{"start":12078.117,"end":12094.05,"text":"好主席謝謝麻煩請我們警政署署長法務部代表以及交通部代表法務部是馮次長那交通部是陳彥博陳次長好來好謝謝"},{"start":12097.975,"end":12119.057,"text":"署長次長我想今天我們討論這個獨駕的案件國人大家一起共同的拒絕獨駕打擊獨駕獨駕零容忍這是本期看中民意的一個要求我想這也是大家的共識好但幾個部分我覺得我們還是要釐清才能夠對症下藥我覺得這也請警政署這邊能夠讓國人更明白了解"},{"start":12119.837,"end":12139.117,"text":"過去我們會討論酒價相對比較多毒價比較少但為什麼近幾年來毒價反而變多很大一個原因其實是什麼是它的吸食方式以及吸食狀況改變它現在變成是用電子菸的載具我們看到相關媒體報導電子菸載具它就可能可以吸食也因此"},{"start":12139.617,"end":12164.543,"text":"是不是在食物上的狀況很常譬如說抓到獨家的時候可能這一個駕駛者他不是剛吸食完才來開車而是有可能是邊開車邊吸食是不是有這樣的狀況署長應該都有可能有一些就是吸食完來開有一些可能就是他也邊開所以是不是在這個車輛上面對 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用了最大力量但是持續的惡化然後民眾痛苦"},{"start":13450.518,"end":13477.43,"text":"其實跟委員報告其實以前我們也負責做當檢察官的時候我也負責毒品查緝嘛事實在毒品查緝這個東西其實像現在有些它的量子多可能它是因為我們警政署跟各單位裡面積極在查緝裡面它浮現出來的所以我們也相信經過在我們努力的積極查緝之下法令的配合之下我也相信說將來那個地方會被我們壓制住的這個部分是我相信將來要多久已經這麼多年這麼多年只有惡化"},{"start":13478.21,"end":13496.217,"text":"層出不窮 還有越來越慘我們真的希望您說的 我們盡快壓制住對 其實高鐵人署在茶季毒品這一塊上它的那個成效是蠻好的要這邊再詳細的數據我們再跟委員這邊做報告好 那個劉部長 我們就半年你剛剛說半年 我們就半年"},{"start":13497.397,"end":13521.248,"text":"報告委員您剛所提的部分是統計數據上面怎麼做分析報告而不是現在行政院所強調的獨駕零容忍現在每個部會真的都非常認真但是未來的修法還是需要立法院的委員們幫忙當然當然這些歸這些但是本席想知道的那我們就請這個內政部半年後六個月後提出來好謝謝"},{"start":13528.541,"end":13530.222,"text":"好 謝謝主席我請內政部的部長 還有請政署的張署長 法務部的馮次長好 謝謝"},{"start":13561.428,"end":13586.323,"text":"好 那我想最近發生這麼多獨駕的一個悲劇我想我們所有台灣的所有人民都很心痛那事實上這並不是第一次討論獨駕要不要提高刑度"},{"start":13587.759,"end":13602.172,"text":"我們在2024年的時候,我們新北市主城分局清水派出所我們的所長,劉所長,就遭到獨駕來撞死"},{"start":13607.113,"end":13617.522,"text":"那在那個時間點新北市三個月內就有兩名的員警命上獨駕那在這個過程當中我們那時候就有討論"},{"start":13626.36,"end":13647.359,"text":"我們要不要來提升獨駕的這個行動但是當時法務部是反對的我們法務部處長在這裡我想到了今天2026我想請教法務部"},{"start":13648.601,"end":13655.885,"text":"你們還會表達反對的意見嗎加重獨駕刑罰的部分我們本部也啟動了相關的法制的一個檢討修正針對獨駕的犯行我們會全面的提高刑事責任關於刑度這個部分我們可以廣納各界的意見所以在這裡已經確定了"},{"start":13674.036,"end":13681.479,"text":"我們的法務部啊不會再表達反對的意見嘛對不對好那我們有瞭解齁在當初這樣的一個案件發生的時候齁我們啊這個黃國昌啊那時候還是我們台灣民眾黨的一個立委他也執行了我們的司法院嘛他那時候啊認為啊"},{"start":13704.85,"end":13718.519,"text":"讀品的方式根本沒有效果才會造成我們的一個人情的一個性質所以來質問我們司法院來認為我們獨家這個制止的刑期有多少"},{"start":13728.798,"end":13742.296,"text":"那時候我們,包括到現在,我們獨駕的罪行,致死的一個罪行就是三年以上,十年以下"},{"start":13744.618,"end":13748.6,"text":"甚至跟當時的黃國昌委員打訊打呼是說會對法官進行交易讓判刑符合社會的期待那我下一頁"},{"start":13761.946,"end":13776.032,"text":"那我們需要符合社會的期待那我們去調查了我們地方警察署執行獨駕案件有罪您的這樣的一個統計我們從2024年2025年到2026年到現在的4月我們一般的獨駕我們抓到才240億人"},{"start":13791.659,"end":13812.696,"text":"平均的行度3.4個月到2025年當然我們拖一塊塞整個黑數的一個呈現整個人數提升到4385人然後平均的行度還是3.4個月"},{"start":13813.877,"end":13818.779,"text":"那到今年2026年到1到4月目前我們一般獨駕的一個人數已經達到2484人平均的行度也在3.5個月那獨駕重傷"},{"start":13838.547,"end":13848.131,"text":"2024年兩個人也才判三年一個月平均的2025年三個人判了兩年六個月2022年在附近有一位判了六年八個月算是最重的致死最多在2024年也判了五年"},{"start":13862.88,"end":13879.026,"text":"9個月2.25年甚至判了平均6年而已我想這樣的一個獨家的刑度有符合我們社會的期待嗎我想請問我們的法務我們的內政部長"},{"start":13880.006,"end":13892.319,"text":"警政署長你們身為啊這個司法的第一線你們對這樣的一個判決結果包括法務部包括警政署長包括認證部長你們滿意嗎"},{"start":13894.889,"end":13898.011,"text":"法官有交易了嗎?那如果刑度加重了,透過我們這一次修法,刑度加重了,法官還是沒有?"},{"start":13917,"end":13934.341,"text":"受到教育還是重新判刑覺得這樣對主教的惡質有效嗎如果對於說像法院他如果判處的部分我們檢察官如果覺得這是不恰當的刑度的話我們也會提出我在這邊喔我目前取得到的資料"},{"start":13935.262,"end":13950.328,"text":"我們法務部要對我們獨家來單獨的一個修法的行者我們一般獨家你家採取是五年以下的徒刑那我這邊我一直認為"},{"start":13953.891,"end":13980.98,"text":"你在這樣的一個版本裡面為提高最低的法定的一個最低的法定刑就是你採取五年以下徒刑如果法官也沒有受教育還是一樣判平均的三點四個月這樣的一個刑法的一個修法你認為有效嗎"},{"start":13982.298,"end":14005.124,"text":"跟委員報告 司法院的部分我們會持續的跟司法院進行溝通那另外一個部分就是說我們的一些防止這樣的情況的話我們會針對我們的這個執掌的部分針對假設是判一顆罰金的這個部分我們會這個部分我們會要求說我們這個部分這邊我了解我們希望正式的修法能夠真正的遏止獨家那在這裡"},{"start":14007.546,"end":14023.227,"text":"市長,我請我們內政部長跟警政署長,你們對目前所掌握的這樣的修法版本,部長你滿意嗎?你覺得現在的修法版本可以再加嚴教重嗎?"},{"start":14024.388,"end":14035.714,"text":"報告委員修法不會只有這個刑期上面的提升啦齁那包括我們剛剛提到包括盜交的部分或是其他的相關的部分我們全部都會支持打擊源頭的這個來源的部分我們全力支持好"},{"start":14044.878,"end":14072.458,"text":"那檢政署長 你的所長啊犧牲了生命啊 2.24我們的活佈啊 所不修法你認為這樣的版本夠嗎 夠人嗎我們對於這個獨家 希望這是採重刑還是一樣 採重刑嘛謝謝村長 謝謝我也期待喔 透過我們這次的修法採重刑 以遏止我們的獨家 謝謝"},{"start":14083.186,"end":14099.894,"text":"我們下一位請張雅玲委員發言質詢謝謝主席我們有請教育法務部次長、教育部次長跟內政部部長還有警政署署長謝謝"},{"start":14108.332,"end":14121.924,"text":"好 沒關係 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那希望還是希望可以盡快啦因為這真的是影響到整個公共安全的問題不然走在路上作為一個家長我都非常的不安心 好不好好 謝謝那接下來請內政部還有警政署謝謝 謝謝部長就是說我看到警政署近期已經有修正就是取締疑似施用毒品後的駕車作業程序明定如果駕駛經唾液快篩呈陽性反應或拒絕受測而且明顯有不能安全駕駛情形警方就"},{"start":14279.295,"end":14294.453,"text":"可以依法代補移送並且配合刑事訴訟法的修正獨駕也已經納入了預防性羈押的要件那這一點呢我非常肯定內政部跟警政署非常明快的一個回應但是呢現在還有一個比較大的問題就是說"},{"start":14296.615,"end":14324.429,"text":"我們現在看起來是要用唾液快篩嘛對不對作為一個最重要的取締重要工具那我看到警政署今年是4.5萬餘劑的唾液毒品快篩試鏡但我有一個很大的質疑這個量夠嗎為什麼會這樣子問在2024年警政署的報告就已經指出了我們大概有3萬8千人嫌疑犯嘛對不對3萬8千的嫌疑犯那如果說我們從今年齁最新我們在"},{"start":14325.87,"end":14345.744,"text":"法務部調查局查獲的毒品案例就已經成長一倍了然後你們這個汽機車獨駕取締的事件也跟去年同期也是成長4.6倍那這樣子來說不管怎麼樣我的試劑都應該要超過四萬五千啊怎麼算都應該要超過四萬五千可是你們現在只有四萬五千這樣子夠嗎"},{"start":14347.225,"end":14361.916,"text":"包委員那個四萬五千是目前的這個狀況那各縣市的狀況不同會做滾動式的檢討不是只有四萬五千它現在的這個量能多少如果不足就會提早再做採購我認為這個是不是在之後的預估上面這個是在預估會做滾動式的檢討"},{"start":14364.278,"end":14370.001,"text":"我知道是預估啦 但是我一點不太知道這個預估值怎麼去計算出來只有4萬 因為怎麼算我剛剛有講的嘛那應該就是各縣市警察局的他的這個對地區的這個特性的這種估出來的這個量啦那我們"},{"start":14379.667,"end":14380.728,"text":"我們會這個基礎上會再做滾動式的檢討不會說這個四萬五千劑就固定四萬五千劑"},{"start":14410.068,"end":14421.304,"text":"不會固定就是在這樣一部組就馬上就做採購因為我不太確定購買的數量是不是馬上就可以購買的到因為刑事局有在做採購全國的計量的這個狀況"},{"start":14425.971,"end":14440.957,"text":"希望就是說 之後如果有預算 因為這個可能會跟預算也有關係嘛那就是希望說 到時候我們還是 因為這個是全國矚目的一個狀態啦所以到時候希望在這個預算上面是能夠來支持啦報告委員 這個會債機是各縣市政府要採購的各縣市是不是 所以你們這樣子做一個統整的對 我們做統整 各縣市政府的預算去做採購"},{"start":14449.52,"end":14461.364,"text":"好 所以那這部分的話就希望你們來明確的要去監督各縣市因為以桃園來說我們現在是一個重災區然後 桃園像今年就大概就有五千計好 沒關係那我們事後再來跟您約時間討論好不好看如何去分配"},{"start":14466.285,"end":14470.886,"text":"接下來請教育部次長最後一個問題其實我之前也講了很多次就是說我們現在在反讀宣傳每一年上下學期開學的時候其實都有反讀的宣導其他部長可以請回了謝謝但是我們現在反讀宣導一直在告訴他兩個重要的概念一個就是毒品辨識另外一個就是叫他拒絕但是我覺得請現場所有人想一想"},{"start":14493.03,"end":14510.064,"text":"今天面對一個大家他們散播這個同儕的透過同儕的壓力散播這個補品的試用的時候呢不是只有一對一耶他是一對一群人你知道嗎所以你要叫他拒絕我就問大家你們遇到流氓的時候敢拒絕嗎"},{"start":14511.823,"end":14526.501,"text":"你單身一個人的時候你敢拒絕嗎這是不可能做到的所以我認為這件事情就是我們的教材上面可能要跟法務部一起來努力如何讓這個教材是更貼近孩子面對到的情境告訴他們如何求助"},{"start":14527.242,"end":14546.016,"text":"我覺得這件事情是非常重要但是在我們現在的這個教案裡面完全沒有看到如何來求助然後還有如何保護自己讓我們的學校可以更早的及時介入我覺得這兩個部分其實我已經講了很多次了那我還是要再強調一次我希望我們在"},{"start":14547.217,"end":14559.802,"text":"發展這些教案的時候都要找兒童代表一起來討論因為他們才是現場知道怎麼去因為小朋友其實都知道誰在做這件事情這件事情就是要回到小朋友讓他們收集他們的聲音 好嗎好的 我們會與此進進謝謝"},{"start":14583.525,"end":14584.065,"text":"好 我們休息五分鐘"},{"start":14604.242,"end":14614.854,"text":"我覺得你丟上去吃更大口味更大醬汁更大口味然後你吃鹹的那一種因為他們還有處理完整的食品那現在就吃掉了"},{"start":14936.786,"end":14948.273,"text":"好 我們繼續詢問下一位請林倩琦委員發言質詢林倩琦 林倩琦 林倩琦不在下一位鄭振前委員發言質詢鄭振前 鄭振前 鄭振前不在下一位我們請謝榮介委員發言質詢"},{"start":14975,"end":15003.28,"text":"主席 我要請法務部跟高層部阿娜阿娜"},{"start":15005.751,"end":15010.874,"text":"你好我請教"},{"start":15034.298,"end":15045.746,"text":"九年多,我們全國所有交通危機的罰款總收入多少?差不多兩百六十五億九年咧?零五年咧?對不對?對,對,對這樣跟二十年差不多而已啊?沒成長?我們的收入是這樣,是骨折不是出來啊?"},{"start":15060.261,"end":15071.85,"text":"我們再確認一下,因為同仁剛才說給我的數字差不多是這個數字好來,沒關係,265個,你如果想要什麼?各位鄉親啦,你這裏補中,你不是Covid-19收購如果補中,如果補中,要Covid-19收購啦你這個就好,你如果想說一年啦"},{"start":15087.981,"end":15093.023,"text":"只要紅燈對人民的落地 抽兩百六十五億出來是很離譜的啊那警察去罵呢你開紅燈 你錢收一大堆全國的警察在那裡 被封住 大家都敢罵你開要死 開要死 開開的還不想撈主席才會 才會警察替人去罵"},{"start":15116.94,"end":15118.101,"text":"我現在要請教你,在這個高速公路有很多人來頂尖,你看,包括所有既定車公圍就對了,真沒怎麼,上禮拜就在拍攝這裡,還被騙了一堆"},{"start":15137.674,"end":15146.059,"text":"啊你給他檢舉,我怎麼去檢舉啦,我省人啦,我委屈我接受嘛,我就去攬嘛,但是假定什麼書記說的也有理啊,那不是很明顯的,看我的車子,包括你現在所有的檢舉,我請教你,"},{"start":15157.82,"end":15164.403,"text":"為什麼你們的統一經濟單位可以接受這個檢舉?這個檢舉人的臉書記錄到他的行車記錄起來,有經過標準教的檢驗嗎?我請教你一個問題,你們所有的測試的協商器材要開端要經過標準教的檢驗嗎?要嗎?"},{"start":15181.941,"end":15195.83,"text":"說到警察的一定有啦一定有嘛來如果這樣民眾的不經過標準教的檢驗他就被我吸起來截圖我居民把你檢舉今天檢舉你 明天檢舉他雖然現在沒有檢舉獎金啦但是這種的撩民喔是有夠煩人啦你有什麼對手嗎"},{"start":15210.393,"end":15221.368,"text":"這個檢舉的資料送給警政單位警察還是要依違規的事實來看沒有啦 但是他的取證這個照相器材並沒有經過認證啊"},{"start":15222.95,"end":15238.438,"text":"那要看他是在做什麼矩陣之用他不會把那個拿來當速度的測速的矩陣譬如說那個有違規沒違規照相的這部份我講的那樣大概也可以做為違規的事實要對人民在法律上的開發我們真的要嚴肅議對"},{"start":15244.821,"end":15247.044,"text":"如果你想要做一個快樂的檢舉達人,請你把這個機器,把你的機器拿去標準局特別認證認證之後,這個機器拆出來來送給警方,警方才可以認證,這樣可以嗎?"},{"start":15260.76,"end":15273.128,"text":"這部分我們要跟競爭術討論 因為這種器材取證的東西 全國十幾萬的競爭者的用路人這是對你高層部一個冷靜的定情啦 冷靜的定情 再來你所有的鑑理單位喔 出租賃的租賃公司 租賃給廖先生 廖先生敲鎖"},{"start":15293.615,"end":15310.225,"text":"這個時候 這台車 要吊牌他本身要去用 最可疑的 要吊牌租賃公司 給你聽清楚 你現在同意租賃公司 提出不用吊牌 是不是這樣以法定來說 可以不用吊牌啊 沒錯 是現在把這台車借給廖先生"},{"start":15322.093,"end":15337.179,"text":"廖先生又再撤縮40公里你們還要跟我吊牌我照他的啊好你們有一個辦法說什麼只要我去陳述啦我申訴的時候"},{"start":15338.891,"end":15357.5,"text":"我事先有告知廖先祥,你不可以違規,不可以超市40公里而且我還有LINE的截圖,我還有他的切結書當我去申訴的時候,現在給我認證在這裡是怎樣?一百個,九十九點九點,整個一百個都撲回"},{"start":15364.338,"end":15374.263,"text":"你敢說可以申訴喔你明定可以申訴喔只要我有事先告知這個借車的人"},{"start":15375.566,"end":15389.993,"text":"我可以申訴我所以不必雕刻 雕刻牌照我請問你 我跟你說因為你們裡面的董事都不敢給我回答啊這很多關懈人啊你知不知道現在台灣給你監理層給你招牌的多少你知不知道 來來給我一個掃描招牌的多少"},{"start":15396.758,"end":15406.574,"text":"我們現在可能要查一下要歸了問題 你給我一個說 給大家說一下你們才知道多恐怖要查一下啦 也是要查一下那剛剛委員說的那個"},{"start":15410.255,"end":15425.653,"text":"可以 我們有想說你只要擅進告知的義務以後免罰這件事我們應該是公路局到今天為止啦齁所有的監理單位接受這個申訴通通駁回通通駁回"},{"start":15428.543,"end":15447.275,"text":"這五月份有開過火啦至於說剛才委員特別提到個案如果可以提供給我們沒有個案啦我們來辦什麼處理啦就是說你已經法定規定他當事人我車子借給第三者我可以申訴結果到今天沒有一件申訴通過"},{"start":15449.708,"end":15468.213,"text":"那你是不是要這樣 一個月來請你用正式的公文分析各地分析 新秀林要備有賴的截圖時間 地點 就是在他借車以前他就已經告知 已經善盡告知的責任"},{"start":15469.873,"end":15474.459,"text":"或是你必須我車子要借給他我都要讓他寫一張切結書那萬一他抄書的時候這個就不能夠對我刻以罰則"},{"start":15482.841,"end":15511.947,"text":"他有善盡告知的責任現在每個人都有善盡告知對 那至於說善盡告知的責任 啊分數全部都駁回嘛到今天你為止 用什麼方式來呈現這部分他有開過會 我們就將開會的資料送給委員一國回來 請你用正式的公文打給本省跟我說 你請要接人的人必須具備哪些條件那這樣 行為人 你就罰行為人"},{"start":15513.413,"end":15524.422,"text":"初屆的車輛所有人他就可以完成申訴這樣可以嗎我們把相關的資料送給委員是請各位是好謝謝謝謝謝謝委員好我們下一位請郭育晴委員發言質詢"},{"start":15544.801,"end":15546.209,"text":"謝謝主席 有請部長內政部部長"},{"start":15555.454,"end":15579.53,"text":"部長午安我想大家都在討論這個不管是獨家或者是毒品的一些問題但是今天因為時間有限我先提到就現在的販毒集團其實已經不再指派所謂的人員去實體去接觸那尤其是接觸學生這件事情這個也的確是我們最大的一個隱憂跟身為家長的一個擔心那我想抓不到網絡科技的一個斷點"},{"start":15580.37,"end":15597.724,"text":"那的確也是我們可能在這個部分要來好好的看想方設法因為現在他們其實都是透過所謂的其他的一些社群的一些平台那可能就是跟學生告訴他們說這個毒品會放在哪裡然後依照照片他們移採所謂的這種"},{"start":15600.886,"end":15619.669,"text":"應該算是dead job這樣子的一個交易所以其實這也讓我們非常非常的憂心那我想如何啟動這個跨部會的一個鍛煉的一個專案我們去抓到所謂的這個通訊軟體的一個斷點那麼其實是我們應該可以可行的一些方向那目前有沒有這樣子的一個想法跟這樣的一個觀點"},{"start":15620.109,"end":15640.764,"text":"在我們刑事局如果在網路犯罪尤其是社交平台上面我們大概會結合相關的部會包括我們的速發部一起來做這方面的防治的部分但是現在的成效還沒有完全顯現出來因為畢竟真的是不容易可以找到原來的源頭社群平台上面如果能夠及早下架的話我們會及早來下架"},{"start":15642.005,"end":15661.585,"text":"因為通常這樣子的一個狀況我們可能抓到學生但是我們抓不到後面幕後的這些人這個也是我們的痛點那我想說這個部分我們大家一起來克服一起來解決我想這個是攸關台灣整個所有的跟國安也有相關好 那今天我要問的兩位可以請回那今天想請問部長沒有 部長留步"},{"start":15662.966,"end":15689.035,"text":"對 那我想請教部長的就是說這個都市更新的計畫的本質其實本來是要提升這個居住的一個品質那保障這個居民住的一個安全但是現在其實我們接收到不少的民眾來跟我們陳情一個比較荒謬的一個現象就是住戶呢 他參與了都更當然他改善了他居住的一個環境他有了一個新的殼但問題是 部長您知道現在目前台灣養寵物的家庭有多少嗎"},{"start":15690.649,"end":15707.185,"text":"超過兩百萬養寵物的家庭我不知道但是寵物的數量確實是超過兩百萬全台灣超過三百四十萬隻的寵物然後超過兩百萬個的家庭是有寵物的那我想內政部雖然我們多次去表示說這個規範的這個規約的範本"},{"start":15710.328,"end":15728.062,"text":"並沒有明載說是可以所謂的禁養但是我們的公寓大廈管理條例當中的這個現行的一個條文卻給了社區管委會一個所謂的法律的盾牌讓他們可以用多數決的方式變相的去驅逐原住戶他們的一個寵物的家人"},{"start":15728.542,"end":15757.051,"text":"我想這個部分是我們接收接收到很多的這個陳情人他們一直不斷的來跟我們求救到底我們要怎麼樣來因應那我想呢依據這個公寓大廈管理條例的第16條第4項我們給了所謂的這個社區絕對禁令的一個空白授權那前半段的這個文章的確它有明確的規範住戶說在飼養寵物的飼養動物的部分他一定要遵守所謂的安全安寧"},{"start":15757.971,"end":15783.409,"text":"衛生安全安寧這樣子的一個行為的一個管理這個部分當然大家都肯定但是他的後半句卻寫說但法令或規約令有禁止飼養之規定時從其規定部長我想請教這個從其規定其實等於直接架空了前半段的管理精神等於是賦予所謂的這個規約他可以不用問理由"},{"start":15784.029,"end":15798.079,"text":"全面的禁止別人養寵物的絕對權利那這是法律給予社區的過度授權而營造成現在有很多的家庭有毛小孩他們也擔心在都更之後"},{"start":15799.16,"end":15822.538,"text":"會面臨我有新的家但我的毛小孩被迫要搬離這個新的家這樣子的一個窘境喔我想用多數的這個權力的擴張跟膨脹用先來後到這樣子的一個思緒第23條其實我們賦予這個區權會用多數決來規定說規約的一個權利但是在都更的案件當中原住戶應該是先到者"},{"start":15823.058,"end":15848.453,"text":"但是這些先到者本來應該要受到法律上保護他住宅的一個權利那但是現在這些住戶呢卻透過所謂的區分所有權人的一個會議強制被剝奪了他們原住民本來原來的住民原來的住戶他本來的一個生活權利也就是說他的毛小孩我們大家規定這個社區不能養他就得要"},{"start":15848.933,"end":15851.554,"text":"第一 是不是可以來修正公寓大廈管理條例刪除第16條第4項後半段得由歸約制"},{"start":15870,"end":15896.896,"text":"禁止這樣子的一個惡靈條款我們讓法律回歸到行為的管理那不要溯及既往就是說這個法律上會修正之前行政機關是不是應該也要發布函式那我們針對就是原來的這個住戶他們在都更之前已經飼養的寵物已經變成是家人的毛小孩也應該要受到保護的範圍不應該因為都更居住進來新的住戶他們多數人來決定我的"},{"start":15898.757,"end":15913.232,"text":"家人應該何去何從這個部分我們怎麼解謝謝委員的指教委員對於這個部分的了解非常的深入那委員所提案的這個部分我們會來研議但是跟委員報告一下16條跟23條裡面如果"},{"start":15916.255,"end":15942.125,"text":"有未來有新的規約的話當然是比舊的規約還比較強的這個法令的這個性質那還有一個就是剛剛所說的新的規約裡面如果可以明定什麼叫做妨礙公共衛生什麼叫公共安寧公共安全把它明定條例清楚而不是只是一個表意說不得或者是不可以那這樣的話比較會符合我們在公益大廈的這個管理的規約或者是這相關的這個規範裡面講的比較清楚"},{"start":15945.046,"end":15952.352,"text":"那這個部分就是表示說不管未來的公益大廈的區權會也好或是他們的這個規約裡面在推動的過程當中你不可以抄議我們這個公益大廈管理條例裡面的這些條文那有沒有機會我們在這個都更之前"},{"start":15962.1,"end":15985.365,"text":"就是在審議當中的這樣子的一個部分我們就有一些行政可以介入的一個空間是這樣子跟委員報告我們這次在處理有關都更或是危老條例的時候也是為了要推動這個跟相關的居住正義相關那都更條例如果你要放進去的話我是建議還是要以這個公寓大廈管理條例為主因為都更條例只適合都更"},{"start":15986.334,"end":16002.529,"text":"或者是說我們在規約的草約當中就是我們在規範的這個部分我們是不是也應該應該要給予就是原來的住戶他們有所謂的這個救濟的手段規約的部分比較沒有罰則它等於是說大家共同遵守的一個規則"},{"start":16003.39,"end":16018.885,"text":"那共同遵守的規則就會像委員所說的大多數的人是不是二分之一三分之二這個部分也就是說它只是一個程序上面可以大家有共識希望不要有產生任何的罰則那如果委員對所以委員我剛剛有提到說你有提案這個16條第4項23條第2項第3款的部分"},{"start":16025.492,"end":16026.373,"text":"應該還是要尊重他原住民"},{"start":16042.612,"end":16044.413,"text":"什麼時候可以有比較具體的一個方向"},{"start":16063.749,"end":16075.517,"text":"我想現在已經有不少的民眾有這樣子的一個需求我們我們來研議齁盡量在下個月的時候呢給委員提供一下我們的見解好啊好謝謝好謝謝部長謝謝主席我們下一位請林竹英委員發言質詢謝謝主席主席有請劉部長"},{"start":16100.745,"end":16103.186,"text":"其實因為我看了一下各部會的報告所以後來我決定還是由您來回答我的質詢因為我剛剛特別看了比如說像海巡署他有特別提到說為了阻斷源頭那麼會防止國際的這個什麼斷走私鏈然後會架構一個海空一體的偵查網那麼"},{"start":16127.078,"end":16152.896,"text":"關務署也說呢就是會透過這個所謂的跨部會機關來溯源追查拒絕供應鏈那麼數位部呢也針對就是說現在越來越多日新月異的這樣的一個所謂毒品的源頭的進入台灣他們也會透過所謂跨部會平台運作運用AI工具但是其實本校 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不管什麼體系啦 你就給我這個資料就好了啦你都給我這個資料就好了 不管什麼體系你就給這個資料不要在這邊隨便講啦交通部給大家長期感覺就是一部四部關起嘛什麼不是推給內政部就是推給地方政府明明就是身為交通主管機關 最高主管機關什麼事情都是四部關起所以民眾還有民怨嘛請問一下 民眾如果對速率有意見對區間車路有意見 難道不是跟交通部澄清嗎"},{"start":17257.611,"end":17282.191,"text":"那我之前也看到民眾在網路上面啊公共平台連署啊最後回的也是交通部啊但交通部每一次回答都是那政部的事那地方政府的事那交通部到底幹什麼啊沒關係你提供資料我再來看好不好我本來一開始都想好好講但是你的態度都讓我沒有辦法好好講那我請署長一下好不好署長剛剛那個問題你回答一下就是說現在大家都很有民怨啊明明就是"},{"start":17283.206,"end":17305.315,"text":"譬如說可以很快的排除交通狀況但是非要叫人家停在那邊然後要開個單然後寧可在那邊阻礙一下交通然後也不讓人家走這個是有因為我剛剛看說好像我們設立交通規則的目的是要排除交通的狀況不是以處罰為目的那為什麼類似我剛剛講的狀況就好像跟這個目的不符"},{"start":17306.455,"end":17328.539,"text":"我們一定要去解決交通的這個狀況不是要為了要處不是為了要法而法啦所以我們是未來像這個東西就是會計除外這個交通一定要先做排除啦對 可是實際上就沒有啊實際上現在就是現在感覺大家都覺得好像警察都是以這個開罰單為目的啊不會不會不會是不是有業績壓力啊沒有業績壓力 這個為了是交通安全絕對不是為了業績確定喔 可是你講的喔我講的不是為了業績也不是為了"},{"start":17333,"end":17341.184,"text":"不是為了業績不然你可以問一下那個召委你們地方是以開單為目的還是以這個排除事故為目的那個委員我沒有這樣的政策也沒有這樣的跟我同仁講完全沒有你可以看所有的公開的這個資料我們是為了交通安全不是為了開單而開單也不是為了業績絕對沒有絕對沒有 絕對沒有為了業績"},{"start":17354.171,"end":17370.918,"text":"絕對沒有好 謝謝署長這個宣示好 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