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謝謝主席我一定要對這個本項的提案做一個說明因為這個提案也是造成今年的總預算案整個延後到"},{"start":2543.027,"end":2556.521,"text":"現在才處理得非常重要的一個原因因為立法院在去年三讀通過了公務人員退休之前的撫恤法相關修正案那我們希望都能夠降低這個通膨對退休公教人員的生計衝擊但是這個考試院作為考全人士主管機關卻沒有"},{"start":2562.466,"end":2569.351,"text":"這個依法行政反而就是跟著行政院在就是在今年一月向憲法法庭申請釋憲及暫時處分就是未能執行這已經三讀通過的這個法律案那我們認為考卷為獨立行使職權它是個獨立機關"},{"start":2580.297,"end":2581.878,"text":"應該他的立場卻在此時跟行政高度重疊所以我們認為這個喪失了這個機關的專業主體性所以我們就不得不提出也必須要提出這項提案"},{"start":2595.146,"end":2612.28,"text":"那雖然經過溝通我們有做了一個那個等一下再做說明就是願意答應同意併入第二第七案因為是相同的這個議案合併刪減的一些結果我們做了調整但是我還是請考試院能夠做一個說明謝謝好那請機關來做回覆"},{"start":2619.207,"end":2637.276,"text":"謝謝陳委員的關心跟委員報告這個法中去年12月三讀通過之後我們依照生效的法律都有在進行執行雖然有釋憲的部分但是其實在釋憲有任何結果之前我們相關該做的都有在做首先就是"},{"start":2637.856,"end":2660.717,"text":"在從一到六月這個時間就是全序部在重新核算每個退休公務員在依照這個法可以做怎麼樣的退休金的調整那經過這個核算之後我想就由未來因為涉及各機關的發放作業那再經過會計程序沒有其他的新的變化的話那這個部分應該都會依照法律來執行所以這個部分我們有跟委員這邊在做一個說明那這個"},{"start":2662.839,"end":2688.636,"text":"提出事件的部分主要是考慮到我們還是作為我們主管機關考慮到基金的永續性那跟行政院之間這邊因為我們是公務人員的法治的主管機關他們是教育人員法治主管機關是因為這樣子所以兩邊的這個部分是各自在進行這個部分跟委員做一個說明那也感謝委員這邊然後同意說把這個刪減數調到三百萬並且跟二到七案跟第九案來合併不疊加以上謝謝"},{"start":2689.926,"end":2694.829,"text":"好 謝謝秘書長的回覆這樣提案委員 陳委員現在就加算溝通料的併入第二到第七案及第九案合併三減業務費三八萬客戶務務執行調整嗎對要再檢查一次嗎 要再答覆嗎"},{"start":2709.817,"end":2728.07,"text":"現在相關的案子我請好 我想說一開始說完之後你會再檢查一下來 我們就第一案就併入第二到第七案及第九案合併三減業務費三百萬科目自行調整第二案就是第五款第一項考生業務費我們請翁曉琳委員來做說明"},{"start":2732.657,"end":2755.581,"text":"好 謝謝昭偉在座的委員們還有這個考試院的長官們大家好那麼這一次本席所提出來的在這一個幕裡面總共有是從第二案到第七案一併說明對 我就一併說明那麼第二案的部分主要是涉及到就是考試院的業務費的地方那麼雖然說考試院的業務費其實嚴格來說它的執行率還蠻高的然後成長的幅度也不是很大"},{"start":2760.542,"end":2763.525,"text":"不過呢我們也曉得就是說是現在政府的財政支出大幅的增加那各個機關都應該要節約這個經費的使用那麼同時呢就是本市也認為說考試院其實在過去的這段時間裡面我已經觀察兩年其實在很多業務執行上面非常的消極那麼該提的法案也沒有提譬如說有提失地法"},{"start":2784.782,"end":2786.783,"text":"院這邊委員們所提出來的相關法案那考試院幾乎也都沒有提出對案那麼作為整個的公務人員的相關的權益保護的主管機關"},{"start":2800.968,"end":2826.987,"text":"那麼還有就是也涉及到政務人員法的這個機關這個主管機關那麼事實上應該要更積極的提出相關的法案那麼所以呢本席認為說其實考試院在整個的這個業務上面其實執行成果沒有預期的有效率而且更勇於任事那麼同時呢本席也認為說這個在我們去年通過了公職人員的"},{"start":2828.969,"end":2844.561,"text":"通過公務員員的退伏條例裡面當時有要求要積極的重新審定退休金審定函但是到現在為止其實還沒有正式的公布"},{"start":2846.127,"end":2864.414,"text":"公務人員的退休金審定函那麼同時在113年跟114年的退休金差額要退還的部分那考試院也沒有積極督導全區部去做在法規解釋部分完全跟我們立法的這個原意是相違背的所以呢本期在這裡就提出檢列200萬並且凍結兩層而且不得留用不過因為我們也有跟秘書長這邊有討論啦那麼所以呢我後來有提出一個建議就是說我"},{"start":2876.338,"end":2901.437,"text":"就是我提出一個我可以提出一個修正的修正費用的這個方案就是業務費扣除水電費之後的這個凍結版業務費扣除水電費之後就凍結10%而且不得流用雲芝所以這個是在第二案的部分"},{"start":2903.676,"end":2907.08,"text":"我在講一遍就是我再提出來的新的修正方案是"},{"start":2909.878,"end":2933.389,"text":"就是不減列了但是呢就是業務費就扣除水電費後動機百分之十不得留用雲芝而且要等這個考試院督促詮釋部正式公告補發一一三年一四年兩年度退休金差額的相關作業其成於完成發文後"},{"start":2933.969,"end":2939.87,"text":"鄉立法院司法法治委員會提交書面報告經同意後使的動之所以這是第二案那麼至於第三案34567這幾案就分別涉及到水電費通訊費還有按日按件祭資籌金以及物品費等等這些項目那麼我之前所提出來的簡列的金額那之後"},{"start":2959.915,"end":2986.608,"text":"經過跟考試院的這邊討論那麼我們也達成了一定的共識所以我們這裡都已經談妥了所以第三案就改檢列10萬那第四案改檢列60萬第五案改檢列30萬第六案就改檢列60萬然後可不可以進行調整但是應該也都還是要做書面報告然後使得動之那至於第七案的部分"},{"start":2989.921,"end":3007.561,"text":"第七案的部分的話這是跟考試院115年度一般事務費有關那麼同樣的我也認為說應該要遵守財政紀律然後這個節省經費的支出要遵截經費的使用所以呢我就提案"},{"start":3008.888,"end":3030.115,"text":"這個檢列兩百萬並且凍結兩層而且不得留用雲芝等考試院督導全序部完成承諾新審定的退出金審定函發放作業於完成後要下令法院司法法治委員會提交書面報告經同意後使的凍支那麼經過和考試院秘書長這邊討論了之後呢我已經同意就是可以改改"},{"start":3031.936,"end":3042.72,"text":"改为冻结10%但是仍然是必须要提书面报告经同意后始的冻之同时也必须要完成我在提案里面所附的条件以上报告"},{"start":3043.749,"end":3057.685,"text":"好 謝謝 我是這麼建議第一個 翁園那個部分 檢列了就沒有報告了啦檢列就已經被你檢列了應該就沒有報告的問題那你第二 你那個第二項那個部分因為你有凍結 你還那個"},{"start":3060.788,"end":3085.919,"text":"你又減掉水電費,這個機關你也自己試算一下看可不可以那我是這樣建議啦,跟陳昭之委員,你那個補分啦我們合併來處理啦,就是說你那裡就已經減了三百萬啦你第二案到第七案什麼的,就按照第一案我明天安委員,你會看我們嗎?然後再給你算命啦,反正就三百萬啦你考試這個就沒肉,你就給他支持一下算給你同學園的"},{"start":3088.905,"end":3111.52,"text":"沒有 這個是三百萬是對 當時是講的是因為這是陳昭志委員這邊提的是最低的嘛那因為我第二案這邊其實我有提到就是說要凍結百分之十凍結百分之十那凍結百分之十大概就是五百五十四萬而且必須要這個等到條件成就之後然後送交書面報告經過統一候選的凍之這是我比較堅持的地方"},{"start":3112.02,"end":3126.113,"text":"然後那至於就說三四五六七案因為已經都也談過了啦好那我是認為說其實考試院這個部分基本上還可以再多多多多簡列一些對因為我們其實之前已經給他們很多的寬裕了那麼事實上就是現在整個政府總經費必須要遵截使用的地方我希望我認為說應該要再多刪減一些就是"},{"start":3138.984,"end":3164.837,"text":"現在加起來應該是大概五百多萬那陳昭志委員這邊是說減三百萬你看那個 劉秘書長你再簡略多一點他的名字我看他怎麼會在那裡撩下去你知道嗎來 機關說明我先講簡略的部分就是說陳昭志委員這個提案有同意他的三百萬可以併我們第二到七案跟第九案來合併"},{"start":3166.721,"end":3192.47,"text":"那委員這邊也感謝我們在第三案到第七案這邊的這個檢列數都有協助我們再往下降所以這個刪除數是不是跟第一案可以來合併計算審發會委員來我想意思大概就是這樣子就是把它現在第三案到第七案已經同意檢列的部分相加"},{"start":3193.581,"end":3215.575,"text":"那以總數300萬扣除不足300萬的部分就用第二案下去檢列大概就是總數等於是用第一案的300萬總數為這一幕的總數那我們看第三案到第七案的目前已經檢列的部分這樣子加起來的數字是還不到300萬所以就是"},{"start":3220.323,"end":3243.501,"text":"第二案的檢列的部分,就看看離三百萬還有多少的部分,就在第二案這邊來檢列那這樣總數整個就是三百萬現在是三到六案第二案並沒有檢列,我是用凍結的方式現在翁委員這邊有提案檢列的,應該現在確定是三到六案那這四個案子的檢列數是160案,是比三百萬低那但是,委員"},{"start":3244.321,"end":3267.817,"text":"本來應該是說要300加160的這樣啦 那個翁委員 遵照你的意思啊就是說你那個第二案 第二跟第七是用凍結的嘛那你那個23456就那個簡略的部分就包含在第一項裡面啊 就第一案裡面啊"},{"start":3269.976,"end":3276.303,"text":"可以包含在地上,我只是認為說是要再多減一些啦,減到350萬不要啦,後來阿伯還很多人要亂弄阿伯,沒辦法我抬高一點因為那個重結的量也很大,第二岸的那個很可憐,劉建新很可憐,你不要這樣抬高,他就要哭出來"},{"start":3288.447,"end":3310.935,"text":"到第九案,第九案還有特別費,那個還沒討論一樣的啦,沒關係第一項不一樣,因為我第九案我沒有同意說要併到那個三百萬第一案請考試院算一下第二案,第二案,凍結數那個,你們算一下好不好"},{"start":3312.952,"end":3318.782,"text":"跟大會報告這個第二案我們有算過因為第二案的扣掉水電費凍結10%大概是550多萬"},{"start":3322.622,"end":3343.07,"text":"那這個能不能解凍我們其實沒有把握啦那但是這個部分如果加上整個的三減數的話其實因為今年已經過了半年了就是我們已經發生了半年的乙負數跟陰負數所以這已經把我們的業務費吃掉了大概一半左右那剩下的部分呢如果"},{"start":3344.875,"end":3364.401,"text":"把這些都算進去的話,我們下半年運作其實非常吃緊昨天已經盤過了,即便委員願意降到凍結10%我們大概有很多業務要做相對的調整跟犧牲這樣啦,翁委員,你那個金同意給他拿掉就沒這個問題了他的那個水電費,我們就要經過我們給他同意,我們就不會空掉為了他們凍結他們那個水電費,我們幫他們開位,很高興"},{"start":3367.362,"end":3395.092,"text":"那個委員是把水電費扣掉我是扣掉水電費我完全沒有要去凍結或是去刪減考試院的水電費我也曉得現在天氣很熱啦所以我們政府能源政策是錯誤的但是我還是體諒我們考試院的這個同仁們的這個權益啊 辛勞所以呢我沒有要去刪減水電費我先是說業務費裡面扣除水電部分的部分才要凍結10%所以就差不多是凍結500多萬嘛是"},{"start":3397.193,"end":3417.528,"text":"五百多萬 對所以如果這個後面的三點數跟第一案都沒有合併的話我們的運作上面就等於是這個額度都會一直加上去那因為今年已經只剩下半年可以做調整所以這個應付起來是非常吃力那我們昨天整個算大概就是就很緊繃了啦所以如果委員"},{"start":3418.711,"end":3433.139,"text":"因為凍結是你們只要條件成就立刻就可以解凍了所以這不會有任何問題但我相信考試院應該也可以做到而且你們要督導學術部去做到嘛對不對這個部分的話我想這個我們當時已經都講了就說是你凍結10%對然後本來我還有簡列200萬"},{"start":3437.862,"end":3460.36,"text":"然後凍結百分之二十那麼我覺得這個部分應該是合理的那現在就是說是在第一案裡面因為它二到七案以及第九案因為第九案我們還沒有討論是特別費那麼如果說是合併解列業務費三百萬的話那這部分的話涵蓋如果說還有涵蓋到特別費的話那我就認為應該要再提高三減額就應該要提高三減額對因為第一案的精神是就是說至少是要三減三百萬"},{"start":3470.998,"end":3474.999,"text":"第七案現在溝通量是173萬4千第二案我們這邊試算出來是554萬4千你加起來就727萬"},{"start":3496.067,"end":3510.6,"text":"這樣看起來不會有700多萬啦那因為他們這個554萬他們要解凍就可以用了那你現在主要是三減數嘛三減數的話現在二到七案的部分那麼原則上是說本來是不是要併到陳昭芝委員的這個案子300萬問題是講說"},{"start":3515.984,"end":3544.605,"text":"如果是有第九案的話 因為我還有個特別費那我就覺得說 如果是含特別費一起簡列只有三百萬的話 我覺得也不合理要不然我特別費我要分開來看陳昭智文沒有沒有沒有 那是分開的喔分開的喔所謂第九案是分開的 第九案是分開的喔分開的喔那如果是這樣的話 我就同意啊那二到七案那就合併改版那就是二到七案"},{"start":3545.985,"end":3561.342,"text":"那個經同意的部分就可以了啦 好不好不行啦 第二案不行啦 第二案跟第七案都要經書面書面啦 書面報告要經同意啊書面報告經同意啦是啦 那天我們都已經講了 他們沒有問題真的嗎這個"},{"start":3566.57,"end":3592.853,"text":"跟委員說明就是也讓其他委員了解就是翁委員第二案的案由那雖然是凍結案那因為翁委員是希望就是說我們對於去年修過的退伏法的法令解釋上面對於說113年跟114年這兩年是不是應該要補足他跟112年的所得替代率的差額這個事情我們有不一樣的法律的見解那這個部分"},{"start":3594.485,"end":3619.727,"text":"我誠實說這一案子我沒有把握可以解凍所以這五百五十四萬多的凍結的效果也可能就是跟刪減是沒有差別如果我們沒有辦法達到公委員的期望的解凍條件的話那這個是因為現在是法律生效日期的跟這個認定的問題所以這個跟政策調整不太一樣那委員其他像第七案那個部分我們這個"},{"start":3621.909,"end":3643.489,"text":"提供書面報告並且完成這個委員的期待因為這本來就是我們目前正在做的作業就是這個重新核算核發的這個作業我們會完成而且就在這個月所以這個部分就比較沒有問題但是第二案對我們來說比較困難的部分在於說我們也不太並不是一個只要去做一個行政作業上面的加速就可以解決的事情"},{"start":3644.762,"end":3665.089,"text":"就是你那個解凍條件有沒有辦法成就的問題啦所以這個動機就等同啦對考試院來講很有可能就是其實就是一個簡略啦這樣幅度就是很高啦所以我不敢跟他說你那個是不是說經同意的部分可以拿掉看你溝通了怎麼樣 王委員我們前面不要先卡在這裡啦"},{"start":3666.345,"end":3683.192,"text":"不知道妳今天整得這麼漂亮謝謝張偉總是給我很多的鼓勵但是我想就是說今天我其實已經提了蠻多考試院跟詮釋部的案子那之前也都經過了溝通那考試院秘書長也跟我這裡也都來說過了所以他應該也曉得我的堅持點在哪邊"},{"start":3687.174,"end":3704.611,"text":"那麼我今天要講的就是這不是我翁委員個人的這個意見而是說我代表是全體公教人員的意見那麼以及就是說我們在當時在修法的時候也諮詢了我們立法院法治局還有很多的專家學者大家都認為說我們的法律的見解理解是沒有錯的但現在問題出在考試院跟權序部你們自己呢單方面的去"},{"start":3712.218,"end":3737.663,"text":"曲解了整個法律的解釋那我有講啊如果說你們認為說我們當時的修法不符合原意的話那你們要提修法建議啊怎麼樣才叫做符合你們的意見那總之啦就是這個部分的話我想就是這個條件我還是要維持經同意厚實的動之然後第二案跟第七案都是一樣的那其他的我就尊重主持的才是就是如果說要整個業務簡列並在第一案然後三百萬"},{"start":3738.483,"end":3742.369,"text":"那這個部分我是同意那待會第9案還會另外再討論第2案就保留嘛"},{"start":3757.545,"end":3776.395,"text":"如果第一案的三百萬可以併三到六的三減數以及第九案的三減數的話那我們第二案是可以接受翁委員講就是業務費扣除稅務費我們現在是三到六現在就沒有第九案了"},{"start":3778.527,"end":3787.344,"text":"就是如果可以併第九案的話沒有 我們現在一到七這個地方是跨目一併處理啦你到這裡就分開了那如果"},{"start":3802.904,"end":3829.018,"text":"有沒有併第九案對我們的差別就是有一百多萬那因為再加上第二案的凍結數對我們來說其實已經我們已經快要擠不出來了歐委員第九案哪會放第一案的三百億的意見如果這樣的話我建議就是那檢列數要再提高檢列數要再提高因為我當時其實我這邊自己檢列下來還有連同這個特別費的部分"},{"start":3829.835,"end":3856.632,"text":"是已經都超過了三百了三百多了 對所以基本上就是第九案我覺得我們可以再討論是啦 因為第八齁 第八 第九一到十 都都是業務費啦然後我們剛跨幕的部分就沒有跟沒有跟那個第一項的其他的業務 一般行政的業務費放在一起啦所以這個我看是按照翁委員剛那個"},{"start":3859.707,"end":3863.329,"text":"那個說明啦,好不好,就是一樣第一案,第三案到第六案,合併檢列一到第一案,第三案然後到第六案,就是合併檢列三百萬然後三百萬元,然後呢這個動結數還沒有一到三到六"},{"start":3890.185,"end":3913.918,"text":"合併檢列三百來 機關請再說明一下你看好不好 他們這裡也要有同意不然我就要保留了這個 主席喔因為原本我看這個第一案第一案大家達成的協議其實是有包括特別費的"},{"start":3916.496,"end":3924.114,"text":"所以我們說地高案意義比較沒那麼大啦你坐特別費到現在還沒流那我的意思是說你現在"},{"start":3925.72,"end":3949.408,"text":"現在我們是不是這樣子啦我們就第三案到第六案的這個這個達成已經達成共識的這個部分的檢列數我們就把它確定那第一案因為他本來是很單純但是因為現在第二案也沒有他本來他是從二到七案都包含在內再包括第九案所以如果第二案保留的話我想第一案也就保留了那我們後面還有這個針對針對這個因為這樣就叫審判會員的意思這樣好不好"},{"start":3954.629,"end":3983.525,"text":"OK 這樣好了 這樣就第一跟第二委員如果可以併到第九案的話我們第二案就可以定下來啦這樣的話其實一跟二就可以定下來但是因為委員現在如果堅持不併第九案因為我們昨天真的整個盤過了因為這個是不同的幕啦就是說在第九案的時候我可以再討論我要不要就是三減一九七對 但是因為今天這是不同的幕"},{"start":3984.758,"end":4012.803,"text":"那些保留對你們也不好保留對你們才好你們就整個那三百萬的那些因為這樣的話就是說我們要再抓出一百多萬來因為已經有那個五百五十萬要不然就是這樣含第九案就三百六十萬好不好 就是說等於說我們把那個合併刪減數就提高一些就含第九案特別費的部分就是三百六十萬只是說因為不同的目我們可以這樣講嗎"},{"start":4014.888,"end":4018.092,"text":"倒是也可以啦,但對他們來講,你看他們的大家臉都滴汗你有沒有看到,跟他們來講他們經費確實也是很,很拮据"},{"start":4030.224,"end":4050.919,"text":"我們在第九案的時候,我們就把第九案合併到第一案去所以它是因為第一案它並沒有募,它是就整項跨募的一個預算不然我們等到第九案,順便把它併到第一案可以嘛那剛剛講的360萬,看考試院可不可以證明360萬可以可以的話,我們就這樣整個都訂下來"},{"start":4055.72,"end":4055.74,"text":"合併刪減數360萬"},{"start":4074.726,"end":4078.067,"text":"所以接下來的問題是第二案嗎 凍結的部分第二案的話因為我們又簡列了只是存凍結凍結數的話是扣掉業務費之後扣掉水電費之後的業務費凍結10%所以就是凍結554萬"},{"start":4103.272,"end":4122.284,"text":"我剛才跟你說過他那個凍結解凍的條件那就不一定可以成就都達到實質等於是在減劣啦我們這邊可不可以凍五百萬因為就稍微少凍一點因為你那個現在的凍結是五百五十五萬嘛因為剛剛刪減數拉高沒有問題但是我的條件還是壓在那邊這樣好了凍結五百萬五百萬就不用經同意啦沒有我還是要同意啊那你同意條件都沒有辦法成就啊他的定義等於是減劣啊他就反落是這樣"},{"start":4134.52,"end":4145.266,"text":"妳真的同意?對,我們已經有講廣播了妳是外小母,妳真的同意?是啊,我們之前他們來我們辦公室我們就是討論的情況就是這樣啊真的要請同意?"},{"start":4146.769,"end":4169.737,"text":"我今天就是從554萬凍結然後凍結500萬然後條件成就之後經書面同意就凍結啊這樣好啦第二跟第七提出書面報告經同意好不好那這樣的話第二案的話我就同意就凍結500萬就清楚一些就不要凍結10%"},{"start":4171.88,"end":4194.609,"text":"是嗎 可是還是要扣除水電費喔要扣除水電費 扣除水電費凍結是啦 你要一個總數就多少就五百萬 五百萬本來凍結百分之四十五百五十四那稅出就是第五款 烤線主管第一項烤線業務費提案第一案到第七案那本木就合併減列三百六十萬"},{"start":4199.102,"end":4216.627,"text":"並針對各檢列提案的要求 以審查會決議來做處理那凍結數是500萬對啊 不是捏500萬是第二案啦喔 這樣就沒了 這樣你還要加啊然後第七案的話是173萬啦這案說好了 等一下再加一次 好"},{"start":4223.49,"end":4224.03,"text":"這不一樣的"},{"start":4235.285,"end":4259.276,"text":"我們現在不是小學生數學沒有要求那麼正確重新再宣告一次那我們凍結數就673萬4千元第二並針對各解凍提案之要求各凍結的提案之要求以審查會決議第二案第七案提出書面報告"},{"start":4260.977,"end":4269.304,"text":"經同意厚實的動之那我們接著來處理第一幕一般行政提案第八提案案號第八案到第十二案那邊是吳宗憲委員不過來我們就沒處理啦 那是凍結案而已 他也很久了然後第九案來請翁曉琳委員"},{"start":4287.015,"end":4315.311,"text":"第九案已經出現了我還稍微講一下因為這個案子是涉及到特別費的部分本來我也認為說其實特別費的部分叫尊潔使用所以就是提出三姊九成一百九十七萬而且不得留用雲芝現在就變成說是把第九案又併到第一案所以就代表說特別費是那我還是不可以留用雲芝喔"},{"start":4322.418,"end":4344.496,"text":"360萬因為我特別費是3減197萬的然後不得流雲芝這樣加一加有沒有超過你加一下看得到剛才宣告的第一案是有科目自行調整"},{"start":4348.157,"end":4366.13,"text":"那個跟委員說明,這個不會有流氓雲汁的問題,特別都有它特定的花費的目的跟來源沒關係,你們也算一下,我們也算一下"},{"start":4502.617,"end":4520.852,"text":"我們現在在給你算你的機關自行調整雲汁的部分,對的價格297,那它只剩下360減掉197是科目自行調整,它裡面有117萬...360減197,科目自行調整,這樣怎麼存多少而已呢?360減197,存100...165,這樣你夠嗎?"},{"start":4531.573,"end":4556.628,"text":"你都沒有說完剛剛那個數字我們是應該可以可以喔可以我們就沒意見了他如果可以我們就不用提他算了這樣他如果你說可以我們就不要管他了喔第九案第九案就處理囉"},{"start":4559.195,"end":4572.689,"text":"那現在第十案就是經過通以後就取消檢列凍結10%21萬9千元改書面報告第十一案也是徐毅臻委員的就是取消檢列改凍結100萬改書面報告"},{"start":4583.149,"end":4587.874,"text":"這樣對了第12案吳宗憲委員我們就沒處理了第11案翁曉琳委員改組決議書面報告第14案改組決議書面報告第15案"},{"start":4606.243,"end":4632.112,"text":"喔 這跳得太快了 來來來 我們只到十二我們只到十二喔第十二案已經 第十二案就處理了第十二案 第十二案就不處理啦我先做 先做決議一人一人處理所那個繼續"},{"start":4645.738,"end":4664.402,"text":"十一案喔十一案是有改組決議嗎沒有喔十一案是取消檢列改凍結一百萬喔順便報告這有或這有溝通過十一喔這樣我念不中去 更正更正更正"},{"start":4666.019,"end":4690.345,"text":"11案就重新再宣告一次11案是取消檢列改凍結100萬書面報告這些徐議貞委員的提案那我們第一幕一般行政的提案案號第8案到第12案第8案跟12案我們就不予處理那第9案並第1案合併來做處理那凍結呢"},{"start":4692.935,"end":4720.273,"text":"除了以上個案以外本目合併凍結一百二十一萬九千元並針對各凍結的提案的要求以審查會決議提出書面報告後使得凍資那我們接下來處理第三目施政業務及督導提案案號第十三案到第十六案十三案經溝通以後這是翁曉琳委員改組決議書面報告"},{"start":4723.355,"end":4734.864,"text":"第十四案 張雅玲委員的改組決議書面報告第十五案 徐以貞委員的改動結施政業務及督導10%就是69萬5千 改書面報告第十六案 張雅玲委員的改組決議書面報告"},{"start":4748.476,"end":4762.15,"text":"好 第三幕 施政業務及督導提案案號第十三案到第十六案改為主決議是十三案 十四案 十六案那除以上個案以外 本幕合併凍結69萬5千元"},{"start":4765.333,"end":4783.081,"text":"那並針對凍結提案的要求依審查會決議提出書面報告後使得動之那我們接下來處理第五款第一項考試研資組決議提案案號第十七案到第二十三案十七案 有沒有意見"},{"start":4784.905,"end":4798.411,"text":"機關沒有意見18案沒有意見19案沒有意見20案沒有意見21案沒有意見22案沒有意見23案經溝通後文字修正改書面報告"},{"start":4804.98,"end":4823.157,"text":"那主決議提案案號17案到第23案就照案通過第17到第22案那修正通過是第23案第5款第一項考試院處理完畢那我們繼續來處理第二項考選部第一幕一般行政提案案號第24案第25案"},{"start":4827.964,"end":4835.13,"text":"二十四案到就雖然吳宗憲沒來但是有溝通過那二十四案就凍結五趴就九十四萬兩千元改書面報告那二十五案來請翁小玲委員來做說明我想就是特別費的部分我一併就是秉持的"},{"start":4852.844,"end":4868.175,"text":"這個原則就是認為特別費他非必要支出所以應該要尊潔使用而且我這次對於所有幾乎所有的機關的特別首長特別費都是同樣的做法都是簡列九成所以在這邊的話我也提出針對考選部的部長的這個"},{"start":4873.399,"end":4881.489,"text":"特別費的三減就是三減九成八十五萬元這個特別費你不用太心這個通案都保留了來"},{"start":4888.58,"end":4913.028,"text":"第二項考選部第一幕一般行政提案案號第24案第25案保留送協商制第25案除以上個案以外本幕合併凍結94萬2000元並針對各凍結的提案的要求以審查會來決議接著我們來處理第二幕考試業務提案案號第26案第27案"},{"start":4916.869,"end":4934.351,"text":"那二十六案呢 審判委員這個已經有溝通過了改組決議書面報告那二十七案呢 是徐以貞委員改凍結五趴一百四十一萬一千元改書面報告"},{"start":4937.711,"end":4961.368,"text":"那第二幕考試業務提案案號第26案第27案第26案改為主決議那凍結141萬1000元並針對凍結提案的要求依審查會的決議提出書面報告使得動之我們接著處理第三幕考試業務研究改進提案案號第28案到32案"},{"start":4963.939,"end":4991.936,"text":"二十八案徐益臻委員改組決議書面報告二十九案陳昭志委員改組決議改書面報告三十案陳昭志委員改組決議改書面報告三十一案張雅琳跟吳立懷委員的就是改組決議書面報告三十二案林倩琪委員來請說明"},{"start":4993.885,"end":5020.604,"text":"好 主席 副會同仁大家好那麼這一案最主要是本席長期關心有關於原住民相關的這個考試包括特考 高普考那麼本席在總實行也有提出這個相關的議題那麼我們也很感謝這個考試院這邊啦劉部長這邊也提出一些方案那麼然後在這個過程當中當然我們考委相關的這個考委也就原民特考等等"},{"start":5021.484,"end":5035.112,"text":"跟高普考的內容有做一些溝通所以這本席是長期關心當然上次我覺得部長這邊提出來的幾個方案就公務人員考試原住民比較缺的這幾個區塊像土木 農機 地震 財稅"},{"start":5039.054,"end":5046.398,"text":"我想目前有一些措施也有一些平台在做處理本席在這邊提出一個也是跟你們討論整理出來的一個想法還有未竟之事本席在這邊也是要求希望能夠藉這個機會"},{"start":5058.384,"end":5080.178,"text":"讓它更完備在整個預算在推動的時候能夠更有效度也就是我們目前面臨的困境短時間要處理的話我們是不是應該朝足而入曲來做一個這樣子考試的一個導向因為本來基本面就已經很辛苦了可能連考試的缺額都非常的多"},{"start":5080.698,"end":5098.971,"text":"那如果在這個過程當中我們在錄取的比例上還不高的話那其實是對整個這個考試的用意就沒有辦法這個舉財所以本行這邊就要求是不是在這個相關的考試以現階段我們這麼缺財的情況下這四項基本上尤其像土木"},{"start":5099.591,"end":5116.569,"text":"它原住民面臨的更為是辛苦所以是不是我們先朝足而入取的一個方向在近期的這個考試裡面那另外呢我們在溝通的過程當中我們有談到那我們要跟各校來做一個整備跟溝通的這個平台"},{"start":5117.029,"end":5141.089,"text":"那因為目前本席這邊也還沒有看到啟動利益良好但是本席比較關心的是那後續整個的執行的這個部分所以是不是容許這個部分做個保留那我們所談的那一些內容在我知道有在進行那是不是到我們先解決目前的這個問題是不是足而入曲然後先趕快把這個人才補足"},{"start":5144.071,"end":5172.939,"text":"那另外就是那麼劉部長提的很好的建議那我們是不是可以在執行的層面跟各校來這個宣導跟舉採這個部分是有想要做但還沒有做那是不是容許我等到這個部分我們已經有一個啟動那我們這整個考試的這個區塊可能會在效度上會做得比較務實部長你們的看法如何這樣啦 那個林委員"},{"start":5173.519,"end":5182.466,"text":"我提議跟你說啊你這個齁 你要凍結20萬啦你凍結20萬後 你要叫我給你轉白專報告你也沒時間來啦你 你看你的書面咧 書面咧好啦 沒有啦 書面啦書面報告就好啦 就這裡你再溝通一下那個林委員講的其實也有道理啦 他也有關心嘛他要給你凍結20萬而已嘛 你就一個書面報告給他他關心要給他答覆一下 這樣好不好"},{"start":5204.94,"end":5208.923,"text":"可以啦 照著你這樣就好你現在說你的就好你現在說你的 現在三十多人就我才同意就好了書面報告就好了 二十萬不用再同意了"},{"start":5221.354,"end":5242.185,"text":"有的東西也是有一點點難度耶書面報告給我動議後再做啦我知道應該是很有聲譽啦這次提出來的方式也是我覺得是可以試做看看這邊就是提出這個除了錄取的這個區塊然後跟學校這個平台是不是能夠執行執行的時候我會比較心安這樣子"},{"start":5245.746,"end":5273.772,"text":"謝謝委員 如委員所說也謝謝委員對原民考試相關的工作人員考試的關心目前我們是跟學校是有請學校代表來開過兩次會另外我們有一個次長級的平臺其中一個議題就是委員關心的議題那是不是可以就如主席所說的我們書面報告但是我會親自在書面報告提出的時候我親自再跟委員來做一個說明"},{"start":5275.621,"end":5279.605,"text":"這個部分是不是可以就是經過我這邊同意以後再做一個處理呢"},{"start":5281.229,"end":5307.207,"text":"就是你提書面嘛那我知道你原先的這個規劃跟設計我覺得也有一個共同的方向那最重要在執行的層面很多時候我們在執行的層面可能如果說有一些誤差或者是我們是不是可以提早先做一些了解跟溝通那我剛才提的這個足耳錄取的可能性然後還有學校平台的實際執行那我比較樂見這個未來有機會真的是依照這樣一個方向來執行"},{"start":5308.388,"end":5326.092,"text":"那是不是也可以在我同意之後再動之好啦 那些官員到時候都白討論事項啦我是跟你們說的就是不用大家在那你給他寫這個我本來是要跟你做決議的你跟他做決議以後 人家跟他去溝通卡的不及你20萬 我不跟你騙了來 這樣我們就來 剩下 這人等一下 我這人先處理好"},{"start":5334.117,"end":5348.415,"text":"第三幕考試業務研究改進的提案案號第28案到第32案改為主決議是28、29、30、31案除以上個案以外本幕合併凍結20萬"},{"start":5353.014,"end":5374.645,"text":"第三 並針對各凍結提案之要求 依審查會決議第三十二案提出書面報告 經同意後 使得凍之這樣可以了喔來 接著處理第四目 一般建築及設備提案案號第三十三案 第三十四案主席 我剛剛想要發言 我沒有要翻案剛剛"},{"start":5377.336,"end":5404.17,"text":"來 陳大志委員好 不好意思 謝謝主席請主席不要擔心我沒有要翻但是我希望有機會對我提出來的第228跟29做一個簡單的說明對不起 第29跟30那29是因為那個前台東市交通局處長他性騷霸凌等等已經被這個考機就考機免職的方式他又回考考又要回到任工職而且能夠銜接領這個退休金等等那我是希望考試院能夠有機會做個榜樣啦"},{"start":5405.991,"end":5420.743,"text":"因為我老實說衛福部狼醫都可以隨時回去當婦產科醫師這件事我很不滿意那我希望考試院這邊可以做個榜樣就對於某一些這個狀況看你們我是還是允許用主角的方式處理但是書面報告我希望你們能夠"},{"start":5422.144,"end":5436.773,"text":"審慎考慮做個那個典範讓其他部門也能夠跟進就是二十九案我的重點在這裡那三十案其實我是替這個書記官覺得他們這個工作辛苦但是又大失血包括新北他們可能"},{"start":5437.693,"end":5441.856,"text":"缺額可能好幾十個我現在沒辦法記數字可能70個但報告人數只有兩個那我們還提出了解決的方法的建議因為這個數據化考試很多人來考可是他把它當練筆場那為什麼呢因為同一天跟這個其他科目考試而且科目考試高度重疊啦跟法官、檢察官、律師考試等等"},{"start":5456.764,"end":5482.685,"text":"所以他就練筆嘛就是我考了這樣我不來啊那這樣書記官大學很多法官很辛苦啊他要一邊審案還要一邊監作書記官啊那所以是不是是說我們才會建議說日期可以同天舉行那考試科目要明顯的這個區隔啦我是為了解決書記官缺乏的這個這件事情才會提出這個建議案那我們也同意做為主決議也是因為說這個東西不是一日可以解決所以希望說我有機會表達這樣的意思請在書面的報告能夠做"},{"start":5486.648,"end":5489.071,"text":"比較直接的回應 具體的回應 好 謝謝好 謝謝陳昭之委員那接下來我們來處理第三十三案跟三十四案那三十三案及徐以貞委員請說明"},{"start":5508.031,"end":5521.477,"text":"謝謝主席喔 針對第三三案主要是考選部 他有一個國家的考試圍場跟數位多功能考場的這個大樓的興建工程喔 那因為原編列預算是10億8427萬然後經過這個兩度修正之後 目前的總經費"},{"start":5528.02,"end":5555.617,"text":"這個調整到19億5264萬雖然就是這幾年因為營建成本受到新冠疫情跟缺工缺料跟物價波動的一個影響確實可能會需要一些調整的壓力但考選部這個案子已經調整的大概增加大概八成左右就幅度相當的驚人所以考選部的普通資料也顯示公共工程委員會的這個這個鋼筋混泥土在"},{"start":5556.898,"end":5571.706,"text":"是這個辦公大樓的編列基準叫114年114年已經增加87.38%但是呢就是政府一再的告訴人家消費者物價指數每年的成長不到2%通貨人需溫和"},{"start":5573.607,"end":5597.225,"text":"可是公共工程的造價卻在幾年內暴增八成所以針對這個部分本席是認為公共工程當然國家的考試會場是非常重要的但是納稅人的水和錢也是非常的重要所以公共工程不能因為一句疫情缺工跟物價上漲就讓十億多變成十九億多"},{"start":5597.725,"end":5616.577,"text":"所以本席這個提案凍結相關預算20%請考選部提出專案報告說明這個增加的這個暴漲的項目還有工程控管的情形以及後續是不是還會繼續追加也向全國人民做一個清楚的交代 謝謝來 請機關說明"},{"start":5620.146,"end":5638.797,"text":"謝謝委員的關心的確如委員所說最主要從110到114就是因為有新冠疫情同時又經過比較營建方面的成本真的是漲很多委員又掌握這個資料,一行政院公共工程"},{"start":5639.597,"end":5659.392,"text":"委員會的標準的鋼筋混凝土構造辦公大樓編列基準110年到114年就是漲了87.38%大概就是跟我們的預算調整的幅度差不多另外我們也有提供一個資料也請大會參考"},{"start":5660.673,"end":5686.899,"text":"我們目前的單位造價是25.3萬元每坪那同113年開工的台北市動物資家暨動保署辦公廳設興建工程是28.3萬那大概跟113年的國立清華大學台北政經學院興建工程是24萬每坪也就是說其實大概就在這個區間另外捷運南環段它的是在113它的那個是110年1月"},{"start":5689.375,"end":5713.85,"text":"開始首次辦理招標是158.22億元那113年12月的時候是變成320.42億元它也是大概在這個期間增幅是103%所以就是說我們在這個真的是有點無奈就是說外面的這樣漲所以因為要完成這個工程所以我們必須要去追上外面這個才能順利招標"},{"start":5715.091,"end":5726.438,"text":"但是是不是可以容我們就以書面報告,更完整的跟委員說明那對這個目前的進度跟後續的,也讓我們用書面報告來跟委員做一個說明以上"},{"start":5737.37,"end":5748.036,"text":"所以凍結20%是可以接受的嗎如果可以的話因為現在其實到解凍的時候也已經很接近年底了不然呢不然就是大概在5到10%左右這樣子主席"},{"start":5752.879,"end":5776.556,"text":"因為我考量的這個關心的一樣是關心這個國家考試為產跟數位多功能考場大樓那部分因為我剛剛其實聽了這個說明我機關的說明我覺得是蠻合理的因為CPI比較講的是名稱消費品跟工程物價指數是有點不太一樣的所以是沒有辦法類比的所以我講這樣講得蠻清楚所以我這部分我就沒有堅持那我也可以一併處理這樣子"},{"start":5778.717,"end":5806.707,"text":"好,這樣三十四年,你現在要移民,那你三十三家機關這裡啊,這看可不可以說更加凍結的部分,因為你現在執行幾%啊?是今年五月開始凍工啊,但是因為後面的工程款就要開始,要撥進去了。那徐委員是做好溝通的,因為你這個凍結,他們現在也有什麼要做啊?不然幾%你們可以啦,幾%?十%?十%好不好?五十十%可以嘛,是。"},{"start":5808.588,"end":5825.82,"text":"現在當然就是後續啊會不會再繼續追加因為現在已經從10億變成19億了後續還會再繼續追加他因為已經招標 跟委員報告因為已經招標出去動工 正式動工了所以就是確定這個工程的經費下去蓋了這樣就10%了好 第等一下不用啦因為33案是專案 所以要問"},{"start":5837.042,"end":5850.985,"text":"那就是10%改書面報告書面啦 專案你沒贏啦 我替你講 你有贏 那專案我是有贏啦 但是今天早上沒贏啦到時間我們兩個來 其他沒人要來 又不成會 大家是在OK 好我都體諒各位委員啦那書面報告經同意後時的動之 好嗎謝謝"},{"start":5877.97,"end":5891.181,"text":"沒插到啦,也是在討論事項而已沒有啊,這剛才是真的,不要了嗎?"},{"start":5895.831,"end":5907.777,"text":"4109萬5千元,但是34案動50萬,所以加起來4159萬5千元OK,好,那我們第4案是一併處理的嗎?一併處理喔,一併處理,那個第34案是一併處理剛剛張雅玲委員她要求一併處理"},{"start":5918.322,"end":5925.066,"text":"好 第四幕一般建築及設備提案案號第33案 第34案本幕就合併那凍結凍結是4109萬5千元並針對各凍結的提案之要求依審查會決議提出書面報告後 使得凍值經同意後 使得凍值"},{"start":5951.343,"end":5957.068,"text":"那第33案提出書面報告 經同意 使得動之後續我們來處理第五款第二項考選部的主決議提案案號第35案到38案"},{"start":5977.89,"end":5993.773,"text":"三十四案定義也是要書面啦 要書面好 那我們現在開始繼續來處理第三十五案到第三十八案的主決議啦 三十五案有意見嗎沒有意見 三十六案"},{"start":5994.278,"end":6012.89,"text":"沒有意見37案沒有意見38案沒有意見好 這樣就現在我們回頭再來確認一下考試院家注意一下考試院家所以說裡面第9案的翁委員剛剛那個特別費的一個提案因為是病第一"},{"start":6013.65,"end":6032.66,"text":"三四五六合併減列三百六十萬你合併減列三百六十萬你第九案是特別會減列一百九十七萬那你科目是不留用喔科目不留用那請問翁委員是這個意思嗎沒有錯喔機關再確認你們有沒有問題沒有問題好 沒有問題 那就好那算我給薄"},{"start":6040.663,"end":6056.932,"text":"但是我可不可以跟主席確認一下我們第二案的凍結五百萬跟第七案的那個你那個凍結一定加起來的啊它是疊加的當然嘛所以我不知道跟你問"},{"start":6065.555,"end":6086.905,"text":"因為第七案的凍結其實很快他就可以解凍了因為他們說已經承諾說六月底之前就會發出審定函了對所以我想這個完全不會有問題啦所以就算是疊加但事實上他們很快就沒關係啦這條不要廢啦這條我的聲音已經宣告了啦我是跟你們確認而已好謝謝委員謝謝主席"},{"start":6091.087,"end":6105.411,"text":"主決議提案案號第35案到第38案就照案通過那第五款第二項考選部處理完畢我們繼續來處理第三項全序部業務費提案案號第39案到第43案39案到39案翁小林委員的40案是改檢列30萬41案"},{"start":6120.319,"end":6126.471,"text":"我們是39到43嘛 那請翁小玲為愚賓說明"},{"start":6128.151,"end":6155.814,"text":"好 那麼其實39案到43案的部分對不起 我看一下對 39到43案對 39案到43案的部分其實我這次刪減的這個項目的內容以及精神基本上都和刪減考試院的部分是大同小異那第一個原則就是經費要尊嚴使用所以如果說有這個"},{"start":6157.435,"end":6183.846,"text":"编列就超出的话我就予以删除那么第二个部分就是对于就是考全序部那么在维护公教人员权益的部分还有就法律的解释的部分事实上就是违背我们立法院当时通过的决议的精神那么同时也要求就是全序部应该要尽速的发给退休金审定函重新发给新的退休金审定函所以我们基本上在这几个案子里面"},{"start":6184.466,"end":6188.548,"text":"剛剛又和循序部這邊已經也達成了共識所以39案原來我這裡是提案就是業務費是凍結20%那現在的話可以改成凍結10%但是也是業務費要扣除水電費部分凍結10%然後等到循序部正式公告補發113年 114年兩年度退休金差額的相關作業期程"},{"start":6212.86,"end":6223.693,"text":"並且在完成發文後向司委會提交書面報告經同意後使得凍值所以條件是跟考試院是一樣的那他們剛剛也已經跟我這裡溝通過了就是原則上就是我也不簡列100了但是就是凍結扣除業務費扣除水電費凍結10%"},{"start":6233.004,"end":6252.6,"text":"然後再加上我這裡附的這個條件經同意後使得動之那麼通訊費的部分也已經之前就已經改簽過了就原則上是就改刪30萬元不得留用雲芝那第41案的部分就是"},{"start":6255.661,"end":6258.404,"text":"機關同意就是照案通過檢列30萬那第42案剛剛也已經改簽了就是改檢列從50萬改檢列為20萬並且不得留用雲芝那麼第43案"},{"start":6276.792,"end":6285.596,"text":"事實上也是剛剛與這個機關這裡有談了就是同意就是改凍結10%那我也不簡列150萬了就改凍結10%然後"},{"start":6294.861,"end":6311.188,"text":"那條件就是等全區部完成所承諾重新審定的這個退休金審定還發放作業於完成後再向私委會提交書面報告,經同意後,使得動之所以這以上是我的提案部分好,謝謝翁小玲委員那個機關喔,你們這樣不行你們這樣,你們說完,你們的手機要送送給我們因為我們在這裡還用計算機在給你們送"},{"start":6324.91,"end":6328.654,"text":"你們只說好就不尊聰 說好你們要一個授意的文因為剛剛有兩個案子 還是三個案子是臨時我知道 臨時你們說好的事 但是也要一個具體的意願我們也要跟你確認 你們那個減了幾%到底是多少錢有時候你們兩個講好的是不對的搞不好你們那個數字加加減減是不對的"},{"start":6353.437,"end":6374.725,"text":"來 39案 你們機關要回 要答覆嗎好 謝謝 謝謝主席喔 這個我想 翁委員的一個提案呢 謝謝有關檢列的部分都有的是就免於檢列 有的是減少 那我們都同意喔那屬於我們的43案其實就跟考試院的剛剛那個 應該第7案是一樣 那這部分"},{"start":6375.526,"end":6389.946,"text":"委員也知道我們應該這個月我這個人說照一定會做到事實上我們這個應該是這個月就已經是會給機關下達到機關去他送出給所有同仁那他們機關需要作業時間大概這個月他們都一定會完成送到那個"},{"start":6391.109,"end":6406.224,"text":"每個同仁的那個審定第七案我想委員知道我可以做得到我一定是這樣走啦那謝委員這個第二案我們的四案十九案其實就跟我們預算案講的法律間諜有不一樣"},{"start":6407.745,"end":6431.79,"text":"委員的法律見解不過我們過去行政的作業的法律見解是這樣那委員這個大家意見都互相了解當然委員謝謝委員先改為凍結10%不過10%對我們來講就大概相當於1000萬左右啦因為這個每一個母數不一樣啦所以是不是委員可以考慮一下如果凍結數可以少一點其他我們都同意"},{"start":6437.572,"end":6457.645,"text":"我們剛剛39案已經都簽好了我想就原則上就依照我們所談的這個部分到時候我們書面報告的時候還請委員多多考慮啦這個是真的一千萬對我們來講因為這個我們負責很多資訊各自還有結束貢獻各自要再跟委員報告"},{"start":6459.634,"end":6478.342,"text":"這個部分的議題我想我之後還是會再召集會議然後邀請秘書長跟全市部長我們大家一起來談好不好再找幾位法律專家我們大家一起來談這三十九嘛對這三十九來我先確認數字啦齁你三十九案齁三十九案是九百九十九萬六千對吧六千元對對對對齁"},{"start":6485.765,"end":6509.928,"text":"阿里四十三案是兩百一十五萬九千對對齁對沒錯這樣加起來一千兩百十五萬五千你看你又講不對了你沒有要求不是那個是不是應該沒有疊加這個應該是包含在裡面吧因為那個是一個一個是跨的一個是"},{"start":6514.639,"end":6537.556,"text":"全畜牧家喔三十九你是九百九十九萬六千欸對阿又加兩百一十五萬九千欸不是嗎因為我們都是業務費啦業務費裡面一般事務費因為後面那一個是一般事務費"},{"start":6540.626,"end":6564.819,"text":"跟考試院的做法是一樣的啦因為你們這個很快這個43案很快就可以解凍啦所以不會影響到你們的業務因為你們說6月底就可以做到了6月底做到馬上送就是你相關的報告過來我們立刻開會就可以解凍你們第43案因為這個情況其實跟考試院是一樣的"},{"start":6566.345,"end":6589.775,"text":"我聽到啦,你就認為他們現在可以變,你現在意思是說分開啊我懂你的意思啊那歐委員可不可以不要就是說要同意後始動之啊,就交報告就好了這是剛剛之前上一輪就已經討論過了,就大家的做法、共識都一樣,都確定了是這樣嗎?"},{"start":6593.652,"end":6611.045,"text":"因為之前我們好幾個我們這邊針對立法院那個都是本來是經同意後使的動之那後來就交書面報告就好了因為你剛說書面報告之後很快嘛因為現在到六月底還要再開會然後這個其實現在已經六月初了"},{"start":6611.305,"end":6625.38,"text":"我們今年的會議一直開到八月底所以我認為沒有問題八月底那他們就是擔心到八月底他這個業務費就要用了他們什麼時候做完就可以立刻提案了那就書面報告後就好了就不要再同意後辭的動之"},{"start":6627.618,"end":6635.244,"text":"沒關係啦,這是如果說經投意其實也是在討論事項嘛,上來其實也還好啦,但是問題就是,我們立法院確實在處理,因為處理立法院大家就輕輕的就放下了啦,你們就算是高人員了啦"},{"start":6662.651,"end":6683.715,"text":"第三項全序部業務費提案案號39案到第43案本目合併簡列八十萬並針對各簡列提案的要求依審查會決議來處理凍結就一千兩百一四五萬五千元並針對各凍結提案之要求依審查會決議第39案43案"},{"start":6686.536,"end":6705.508,"text":"提出書面報告經同意時的動之接著來處理第一幕一般行政提案案號第44案到49案44到49就是業務費不分一般行政那44案跟45案吳宗憲委員沒來了這案就沒處理46案徐毅臻委員的改組決議書面報告"},{"start":6711.252,"end":6713.753,"text":"47案徐宇貞委員改組決議書面報告48案請翁委員來做48案就保留了49案徐宇貞委員改凍結100萬書面報告50案翁小玲委員改組決議"},{"start":6738.619,"end":6740.382,"text":"那五十案等下再處理我們就到49就是改動節100萬書面報告"},{"start":6760.132,"end":6766.456,"text":"這速度也沒那麼快,我們盡量一般行政提案案號44案到49案44案跟45案我們就不以處理改為主決議是46案47案48案保留送協商除以上個案以外本目合併凍結100萬這49案並針對"},{"start":6786.428,"end":6795.996,"text":"動輒提案之要求依審查會決議提出書面報告或使得動之我們接著來處理第二幕人事法制及權序提案案號是50到52案50翁曉琳委員改組決議"},{"start":6805.423,"end":6824.711,"text":"51 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