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那真的我想靜耀基金會後續應該要再協助運動員跟選手這一塊應該要再更加積極一點"},{"start":8282.63,"end":8285.63,"text":"那並非所有出了事都是選手"},{"start":8285.63,"end":8287.63,"text":"所以呢你下次繼續去開了會"},{"start":8287.63,"end":8291.63,"text":"他們的報告當中請你把會議的報告也看一下"},{"start":8291.63,"end":8293.63,"text":"如果差別不大"},{"start":8293.63,"end":8295.63,"text":"那說實在你都已經親自開會"},{"start":8295.63,"end":8298.63,"text":"差別不大那這個是市部長於到哪裡去"},{"start":8298.63,"end":8300.63,"text":"我覺得這個才是很重要的"},{"start":8300.63,"end":8302.63,"text":"事後的追蹤比什麼都還要重要"},{"start":8302.63,"end":8304.63,"text":"好謝謝委員"},{"start":8307.94,"end":8308.94,"text":"謝謝委員的巡達"},{"start":8308.94,"end":8310.94,"text":"下一位陳培育委員"},{"start":8316.61,"end":8317.61,"text":"謝謝主席"},{"start":8317.61,"end":8318.61,"text":"不知道要不要先喝一口水"},{"start":8325.74,"end":8326.74,"text":"好部長有請謝謝"},{"start":8328.88,"end":8329.88,"text":"有請部長"},{"start":8333.01,"end":8334.01,"text":"委員早安"},{"start":8334.01,"end":8335.01,"text":"好部長早安"},{"start":8335.01,"end":8338.01,"text":"我們快速看一下女足公會這兩天發了一個聲明"},{"start":8338.01,"end":8339.01,"text":"談到連對翼都沒有了"},{"start":8339.01,"end":8341.01,"text":"之前有全職管理的問題"},{"start":8341.01,"end":8342.01,"text":"有專職翻譯的問題"},{"start":8342.01,"end":8344.01,"text":"我不確定部長有沒有掌握到這個狀況"},{"start":8344.01,"end":8346.01,"text":"那他們聲明裡面寫得很清楚"},{"start":8346.01,"end":8347.01,"text":"對翼這件事情"},{"start":8347.01,"end":8351.01,"text":"如果他們以2019年的男足世界盃來說呢"},{"start":8351.01,"end":8353.01,"text":"當時在科威特骨折的陳奕偉"},{"start":8353.01,"end":8357.01,"text":"還有2022年在日本東亞盃賽場上骨折的藍玉潔"},{"start":8357.01,"end":8361.01,"text":"還有這一次在亞洲盃賽前受傷的蔡明蓉選手"},{"start":8361.01,"end":8364.01,"text":"那當然我知道當時主席的說法呢"},{"start":8364.01,"end":8366.01,"text":"是說他們有派專職的翻譯啊等等"},{"start":8366.01,"end":8369.01,"text":"而且有跟當地的醫生建立連結"},{"start":8369.01,"end":8371.01,"text":"但是我想部長你這個選手"},{"start":8371.01,"end":8375.01,"text":"其實如果有一個熟悉的對翼可以跟著出賽"},{"start":8375.01,"end":8377.01,"text":"不論在當場"},{"start":8377.01,"end":8378.01,"text":"我們當然希望不要發生狀況"},{"start":8378.01,"end":8380.01,"text":"可是如果當場發生了什麼狀況"},{"start":8380.01,"end":8384.01,"text":"對於選手來說熟悉的對翼絕對是最重要"},{"start":8384.01,"end":8385.01,"text":"這是第一個問題"},{"start":8385.01,"end":8386.01,"text":"好再來除了對翼之外"},{"start":8386.01,"end":8388.01,"text":"我要跟部長講另外一個女足的事情"},{"start":8388.01,"end":8389.01,"text":"等一下再按"},{"start":8389.01,"end":8392.01,"text":"我想問你以前在國訓中心擔任選手"},{"start":8392.01,"end":8395.01,"text":"然後被國家培植的重要選手的時候"},{"start":8395.01,"end":8399.01,"text":"如果您受傷了沒有辦法完成賽事或者是相關的訓練"},{"start":8399.01,"end":8404.01,"text":"那第一時間國訓中心或者是雨鞋會把你踢出名單嗎"},{"start":8405.49,"end":8407.49,"text":"跟委員您報告"},{"start":8407.49,"end":8413.49,"text":"我們羽球的話應該是一年一次的這個一整年度的培訓"},{"start":8413.49,"end":8415.49,"text":"應該沒有所謂的這個"},{"start":8415.49,"end":8416.49,"text":"踢出名單的問題"},{"start":8416.49,"end":8418.49,"text":"好那現在下一個問題來了"},{"start":8418.49,"end":8420.49,"text":"現在呢我們看見喔"},{"start":8420.49,"end":8422.49,"text":"受傷期退訓"},{"start":8422.49,"end":8424.49,"text":"球員擔心會不會是遇到秋後算帳"},{"start":8424.49,"end":8425.49,"text":"怎麼說呢"},{"start":8425.49,"end":8429.49,"text":"國訓長期集訓的名單裡面會給球員津貼"},{"start":8429.49,"end":8430.49,"text":"也會給傷後照顧"},{"start":8430.49,"end":8432.49,"text":"那球員傷之後呢"},{"start":8432.49,"end":8434.49,"text":"國訓中心會發文詢問協會"},{"start":8434.49,"end":8438.49,"text":"是不需要把球員移出長期集訓名單"},{"start":8438.49,"end":8440.49,"text":"可是國訓中心非常友善"},{"start":8440.49,"end":8444.49,"text":"友善的提醒足協要給緩衝期"},{"start":8444.49,"end":8446.49,"text":"但當然是尊重協會"},{"start":8446.49,"end":8451.49,"text":"那結果呢5月11號國訓中心發文給足協之後"},{"start":8451.49,"end":8455.49,"text":"史無前例的看到足協高效率"},{"start":8455.49,"end":8457.49,"text":"5月20就無預警"},{"start":8457.49,"end":8460.49,"text":"而且沒有說明把球員移出名單"},{"start":8460.49,"end":8462.49,"text":"我要說當緩衝期消失"},{"start":8462.49,"end":8464.49,"text":"選手除了生氣斷吹之外"},{"start":8464.49,"end":8466.49,"text":"他連去做復健啊"},{"start":8466.49,"end":8470.49,"text":"就醫的所有資源瞬間就沒有了"},{"start":8470.49,"end":8472.49,"text":"部長你怎麼看這件事情"},{"start":8473.87,"end":8475.87,"text":"我想是不是請"},{"start":8475.87,"end":8476.87,"text":"好來請"},{"start":8476.87,"end":8477.87,"text":"好"},{"start":8477.87,"end":8479.87,"text":"報告委員我想這一個部分"},{"start":8479.87,"end":8482.87,"text":"是每一個球員到國訓中心之後"},{"start":8482.87,"end":8484.87,"text":"我想他們的這個培訓也好"},{"start":8484.87,"end":8487.87,"text":"或者進退場是有這個"},{"start":8487.87,"end":8492.87,"text":"這個訓服委員很嚴密的一些配套"},{"start":8492.87,"end":8495.87,"text":"並不是像這邊馬上退出"},{"start":8495.87,"end":8499.87,"text":"也許在實力上有一些這個安排"},{"start":8499.87,"end":8503.87,"text":"所以變成有這種推訓的一個情況"},{"start":8503.87,"end":8506.87,"text":"所以對於我剛講的他們瞬間沒有了資源"},{"start":8506.87,"end":8509.87,"text":"然後同時連續做復健啊"},{"start":8509.87,"end":8511.87,"text":"就醫也都沒有相關的協助"},{"start":8511.87,"end":8512.87,"text":"國訓中心你們怎麼看"},{"start":8512.87,"end":8514.87,"text":"或者是你們後續還可以跟協會如何保持溝通"},{"start":8514.87,"end":8517.87,"text":"我想中心這一部分應該不會那麼冷血"},{"start":8517.87,"end":8518.87,"text":"我相信不是你們"},{"start":8518.87,"end":8519.87,"text":"所以我剛說是足協"},{"start":8519.87,"end":8520.87,"text":"我說是足協"},{"start":8520.87,"end":8524.87,"text":"而且我說你們還有友善的提醒足協"},{"start":8524.87,"end":8525.87,"text":"可是足協做出這個裁處"},{"start":8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