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這個油費的部分其實我們目前正在這個持續地在提升因為其實裝了那個e-tag以後如果說辦那個自動扣腳"},{"start":2610.578,"end":2636.432,"text":"就是由那個銀行自動扣繳其實就不用催它那就是因為有人就是他e-tag裝可是他沒有辦自動扣繳所以我們現在正在持續的提升那個自動扣繳率那這樣子就不用去催所以油費就會降低那所以這個整個的一個執行的部分我想我們提書面報告沒問題那智慧停車現在有其實很多停車場就是你進去包括車牌的辨識然後停在哪個停車位就是說因為它"},{"start":2636.912,"end":2666.232,"text":"它那個地貼都可以去辨識還有影像辨識那我們現在大概全部的這一個服務區大概已經執行13處啦那大概還有6處確實還沒有執行到所以這個部分的話我想我們會把全面都做智慧型的停車那另外就是說再進去裡面的一個導引至少說哪裡有車位的話我想我們再加強是是是有有有因為裡面比較大所以目前就是逐步在建置"},{"start":2668.473,"end":2687.469,"text":"整個病案凍結是不是委員剛剛只有一個五百萬是不是就五百萬這樣好了我們病案處理我們凍結一千萬是那一個月內提書面報告後 省得凍結好 謝謝各位委員那我們處理十五到十六案我們病案處理各位委員有意見嗎好 請陳青龍委員"},{"start":2695.297,"end":2714.906,"text":"我在第16案應該第16案我們這個這個包括我們的提供的電腦軟體服務會這邊那這個向下我這邊有提出了一個3500萬的一個這個要求那這個部分當然我們"},{"start":2722.149,"end":2739.177,"text":"我們有跟我們做一個很詳細的說明那這個部分經過說明之後我是同意改書面報告但是我在這邊還有幾個案子包括抱歉我有點遲到所以我剛剛的第九案"},{"start":2740.157,"end":2766.552,"text":"第九案這邊也有一個凍結案這一個部分我們部長都在這裡我也要求當然有做了一個說明之後我還是要求我們部裡這邊要針對預算要好好的去執行好不好我在這邊也把我的第九案跟第十四案跟第十六案統一做一個說明好 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感謝我們現在處理十七到十八案我們合併處理各位委員有意見嗎請許志傑委員"},{"start":2935.56,"end":2955.587,"text":"我們國道7號預計115年6月開工 現在已經6月了那還沒動 那就是有一些地主的徵收問題還沒處理好那想知道現在進度如何 然後大概什麼時候可以開工"},{"start":2959.157,"end":2982.752,"text":"謝謝 我們請黃建豪 趙偉發言謝謝 趙偉 我提18案18案是一個台中市東風快的那個銜接問題就跟國道銜接的那個部分那之前有個會議記錄講說國道建設的部分當然是由交通部的國道基金來負擔那地面的所謂的徵收其他部分是由地方政府來處理可是在後續的會議記錄裡面後續的這個討論過程當中"},{"start":2985.816,"end":3002.222,"text":"又變成說哪些界面又在討論說哪些購物面哪些工程面要由地方政府來分擔所以我想說這份當然我們後面有要約台中市政府來協商可是我覺得這個在建設上面已經講好的會議就算講好這種工程面的硬體的建設是由"},{"start":3002.902,"end":3022.267,"text":"既然是有國道經濟來負擔的話那是不是這個會議結論就按照這個會議結論來走不要說中間又因為什麼砸到地方上地方來管理然後所以由地方來付費我覺得應該這樣管理有管理的問題但是建設面是歸建設面所以我覺得這部分先提凍結那大家來討論一下到底這個經費分擔怎麼運作以上 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請黃建豪召委其實我要回應說其實如果局長這樣講啊那其實OK啦就如果是"},{"start":3196.1,"end":3221.635,"text":"閘道部分 剛剛提到的閘道部分就是有國道基地來支出嘛那地方OK就反正因為會議版就這樣寫 只是後來有一個有一個公文的往返在提到說有一部分的閘道因為涉及到這個構面之後以後未來有地方這麼維護所以好像希望有地方這麼負擔那我希望說這件事情是即便是未來是由地方政府來維護但是在溝通過程裡面"},{"start":3222.615,"end":3248.133,"text":"建築本身在蓋的時候應該就是由國道基金來處理這樣子是我的立場 以上好 我們謝謝各位委員 那我們來處理了我們是70萬 我們就凍結3000萬那請交通部提出書面一個月內提出書面報告 使得凍值好 那我們就修正通告各位委員 現在主決議"},{"start":3250.754,"end":3269.78,"text":"19號 19到31號好 第19號國七 有 國七剛剛有跟對 就是分六標那現在已經有三標都在招標中了那只是說有兩標有就是說第五標 第六標有留標"},{"start":3270.96,"end":3292.418,"text":"所以這個流標的原因其實還有廠商的意見我們都有收集了在上網招標希望就是說在上網招標後能夠順利年底能夠來動工是是是是好謝謝徐師傑委員好各位我們看主決議第19案有意見嗎沒有意見的話那我們就召喚通過第20案"},{"start":3294.399,"end":3319.394,"text":"我們就照案通過第21案我們也遵照辦理我們也遵照辦理那我們照案通過23案23案就是這個陳慶龍委員剛剛有提到的那這個國事街這個豐潭的這個還有東豐塊的這個我們原則上因為行政院已經可行性研究已經核定了"},{"start":3320.154,"end":3339.743,"text":"目前已經在做協議所以也跟這個委員報告是不是後面的文字就是每三個月其實原則上應該不需要因為他的程序已經蠻清楚了所以我們是在三個月內就會把這個相關的計畫提出書面報告就是把每三個月改成於三個月內文字上做修正而已"},{"start":3341.704,"end":3359.297,"text":"提案委員同意最後一行每三個月改為三個月內就本項工程計畫提出書面報告修正通過各位委員第24項我們遵照辦理25項我們也遵照辦理26項遵照辦理"},{"start":3361.559,"end":3390.258,"text":"二十七案 遵照辦理 遵照案通過二十八案 遵照辦理 遵照案通過二十九案 遵照辦理 遵照案通過三十案 三十案就是這邊因為是寫專案報告啦是不是能夠改成書面報告我們來趕快提書面報告來好我們就改為書面報告各位委員如果有同意的話我們就修正通過三十一案 三十一案也是是不是專案報告可以改成書面報告我們修正通過好各位委員接下來"},{"start":3392.502,"end":3398.601,"text":"我們休息休息五分鐘我們來處理觀光基金"},{"start":3409.162,"end":3409.642,"text":"這個這邊做一下"},{"start":3424.108,"end":3424.768,"text":"好,好,好,OK"},{"start":3442.224,"end":3442.444,"text":"蜂蜜"},{"start":3459.497,"end":3487.5,"text":"呃..."},{"start":3493.425,"end":3504.629,"text":"剪輯 李宗盛"},{"start":3521.459,"end":3544.338,"text":"村莊他們的群體、案例都是很正常的他們的意見、資料沒有表明,應該看起來比較好看"},{"start":3560.356,"end":3562.218,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":3586.538,"end":3586.578,"text":"嗯嗯"},{"start":3599.103,"end":3616.977,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":3634.771,"end":3635.571,"text":"先到旁邊"},{"start":3657.264,"end":3657.765,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":3684.462,"end":3692.831,"text":"這件事"},{"start":3704.488,"end":3731.011,"text":"好各位委員那我們繼續處理交通部觀光發展基金一百一十五年度附屬單位的預算好我們現在開始請各位委員看第一頁業務收入各位委員有意見嗎好交通部請說明是觀光署這邊報告已經經過委員簽名同意免予增業改為主決議然後相關的文字資料我們可以再提供委員會參考"},{"start":3732.552,"end":3739.816,"text":"接下来我们看二次三案业务成本与费用好我们请徐副委员"},{"start":3753.623,"end":3779.586,"text":"謝謝主席我提出第二案是針對我們現在觀光署提出一個遊樂園的留宿的一個方案那希望當然是鼓勵我們的旅客能夠藉由平日的住宿然後離去在同一個觀光的遊樂園遊玩那目前看起來從113年的這個過人旅遊最喜歡的一個遊器的活動裡面我想這個遊樂園的活動是最低的一個比例"},{"start":3780.066,"end":3794.933,"text":"那從這個1.6%維持到目前為止好像也沒有進一步的成長所以我想未來怎麼樣爭奪這樣的效應應該提出一個評估檢討一個成效之後我想這部分我們再來做檢討一下"},{"start":3795.453,"end":3820.562,"text":"那第三案是針對觀光署促進國際自由行的旅客來台措施提出一個消費金五千塊的一個抽獎活動那根據我們的統計那在台停留三天兩夜以上到五天四夜的這個比例當然從一百一十二年到一百一十四年明顯的有增加那表示我想我們有一個激勵的一個作用"},{"start":3821.022,"end":3841.538,"text":"那這兩案經過溝通 我想我們提合併凍結兩千萬那請我們的觀光署針對這樣的一個效益能夠提出一個書面的一個報告 使得動之 謝謝好 我們請交通部說明這個針對辦理好 各位委員 那我們二次商案就凍結兩千萬提書面報告請一個月內提書面報告 使得動之"},{"start":3845.421,"end":3872.239,"text":"謝謝 各位我們看第四到十二案我們邊案處理勞務成本還有其他勞務成本請李坤哲委員第六案就是我們長久關心有關露營場的管理問題那我們這個觀光發展基金在115年度有補助地方政府辦理露營場輔導及違法稽查作業這個預算編列了五千萬"},{"start":3873.66,"end":3899.103,"text":"但是我們要考量目前違法露營地它的狀況改善其實是成效不佳而且涉及水保、農地、林地等諸多的法規牽涉單位也非常的多交通部觀光署應該要協助地方政府來加強各單位的聯繫而且要訂定輔導以及稽查的目標值"},{"start":3899.904,"end":3915.852,"text":"那凍結100萬那100萬一個月內提出書面報告那我在這邊也要提醒部長跟署長就是說目前整個極端氣候以及台灣在目前的這種地震頻繁"},{"start":3917.052,"end":3939.732,"text":"好雨或颱風不斷的清洗相關的露營場地的水土保持、安全是一個重要的議題這個應該都要加強具體的作為以上謝謝 請交通部說明謝謝工作委員的意見跟提醒這個部分我們會遵照辦理"},{"start":3940.893,"end":3957.921,"text":"各位委員 那我們勞務成本4到12萬 我們要凍結100萬請教安部一個月內提出書面報告 使得動之謝謝各位委員 我們現在請陳建東委員你好 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這個旅宿服務量能"},{"start":4512.243,"end":4530.836,"text":"事實上我們的旅宿問題在費用費用其實有很多都是服務能量的問題現在也有開放部分的外籍勞工可以到這邊來工作"},{"start":4533.447,"end":4551.643,"text":"那另外其實還有一些外籍學生你到那個所有的旅宿業區你可以經常看到外籍學生也在那邊做服務所以這個部分我認為我們應該多花一點力氣我看去年預算執行率不到50%"},{"start":4553.274,"end":4567.859,"text":"然後現在旅宿還是缺人力然後現在旅宿的服用還是太貴那這個部分是不是可以一併來做思考跟解決所以這個部分請交通部就這個部分做出說明請交通部說明"},{"start":4573.571,"end":4596.849,"text":"謝謝委員的提問第一個針對旅宿的那個針對調查研究的那個部分跟盧委員報告因為我們有三大產業旅宿旅行業還有公共遊樂業基本上是依照國發會就是我們要做產業人力質量的調查是每兩年做一次持續性的調查他基本上是要掌握特定產業人才去世"},{"start":4597.629,"end":4617.183,"text":"那您剛剛特別提到的那個調查研究項目的部分是不是有機會委給觀光研訓院當然可以這個一定是依照我們有公路項目我們可以直接他也是一樣來跟我們投標申請的所以這個部分是沒有問題那因為我們預算也還沒過所以我們也沒辦法直接正式做委託的這個項目"},{"start":4618.564,"end":4643.251,"text":"那第二是有關於像調查研究有沒有做出具體的在政策上面的參考是有的像我們在旅宿業在疫情期間確實在人力的短缺確實造成很大的流失我相信委員們都知道那我們在112年度的調查跟114年度的調查就已經減少比如說114年度的那個人力短缺就少了1100人"},{"start":4646.252,"end":4675.432,"text":"這個確實是在政策上的推動是有決策上面的參考那也因為勞動政策是在勞動部所以我們依照這些不同時期的需求我們會去跟勞動部做溝通那今天要推動就是中間技術人力中間技術人力要開放的時候我們比如說像旅宿他們當時申請有六九六百個職區的需求但是後面現在目前正在正在辦理申請中但是我們為什麼產業界明明缺口缺這麼大但是申請的速度不夠那麼快"},{"start":4675.952,"end":4700.425,"text":"是因為他當時有些基礎的需求前置的作業目前業者沒辦法馬上急需所以我們也一直在觀察這樣的項目那這個部分也持續用這個方式在跟勞動部溝通希望快速簡化讓產業可以去補儲這個人力上的問題這個就政策跟實際上的部分再跟大家做一下報告然後在有關於智慧觀光的這個部分就是智慧景區的部分"},{"start":4701.085,"end":4730.044,"text":"因為智慧景區是這樣因為呢智慧化它不是電的話只是買了系統而已關鍵是使用者跟我們前線可能安全管理上面使用要讓遊客的體驗增加需求的整理它是需要花時間所以如果以四年計畫前期的預算確實動作會比較慢一點那等到全部開始致用的時候預算它的執行率相對高但是對於預算執行率不夠高這個事情我們會再提書面報告跟委員來說明好不好"},{"start":4732.226,"end":4751.179,"text":"請入委員我也不想抬槓 只是跟你建議一下因為你們來的時候給我們書面說是因為移用到防疫其實不是就不是 我覺得很奇怪因為移用完 按照道理執行率也是執行掉那另外一個 剛剛你特別也說了嘛兩年做一次"},{"start":4752.2,"end":4770.854,"text":"對不對 112年做了 114年做了那接下來是116年嘛可是我們現在省的是115年所以到底在 因為這你說的我現在大家都聽到兩年做一次 112做了 114做了那116你出來的話我們就會同意嘛那結果我們現在115年到底發生什麼事"},{"start":4771.895,"end":4800.434,"text":"是 盧委員盧委員真的滿認真看的我們過去可能就四個計畫是持續性每兩年做一次今年這個項目也因為現在旅宿的人才缺這件事情確實是相對的嚴重所以也因為跨部會在溝通人才所以那個部分我們有有一個就是這個計畫最主要是要跟緊後面整個執行的過程遇到什麼困難所以那個計畫比較是以執行層面的追蹤管考為優先跟委員做一下說明 謝謝"},{"start":4803.258,"end":4809.59,"text":"好謝謝各位好請王江豪召委還有陳金農委員然後再有話委員"},{"start":4814.232,"end":4841.833,"text":"好谢谢赵伟我看的是这个3738案我是之前在观光署的本预算是有提到因为今天在讲积极嘛那其实同样的一件事情就是说你们整个推展费是42亿那在所谓的观光双人驱动发展的经费的计划里面大概总共是9亿7400多万好那里面又分为几个第一个是国际旅客重游加码是5亿8然后这个会展旅游加码是3000多万然后T-PASS的旅游方案是6000多万"},{"start":4842.313,"end":4847.78,"text":"然後最奇怪的我最無法理解的還是這個國際標竿性演唱會支持方案因為之前跟我們說明說這是給這些"},{"start":4850.669,"end":4878.599,"text":"外國的團體要來台灣演參演唱會的時候我們要投注海外資源去行銷這件事情那還是一樣理論啦這件事情我覺得很有趣是說這些國際知名樂團要台灣表演的時候他有自帶流量我們他們會來表演他們本來自帶流量他的粉絲他這些人他本來就會來台灣觀光所以這個三億到底有沒有花的必要性跟花在哪裡我覺得這還是要講清楚的部分因為其實講真的這個除了剛剛我提到的這個整個推展費"},{"start":4879.759,"end":4902.011,"text":"高達42億之外就是國際市場影客計畫裡面推了幾十幾億在這個事情上就是有很多方案就是這個42億裡面其實很多錢已經在花在我要吸引國際觀光客來了那為什麼我要花一個特別講一個大意出來的演唱會的宣傳就是這個宣傳費這些經紀公司這些團體他們理論上他們會幫自己宣傳他們要賣票嘛他們是商業演唱會嘛"},{"start":4902.791,"end":4930.987,"text":"不過這樣講啦,如果今天這個3億是說我政府砸3億邀請某個韓團或某個搖滾樂團來台灣表演我跟妳講,搞不好我都不會我們連廚藝都不會出,因為我支持你幫我找這麼強的樂團來,大家都支持嘛首先今天真的是你要花錢去幫他行銷這再怎麼講我都覺得這個邏輯很奇怪就是我台灣人要先付費給他然後我還要納稅錢再幫他宣傳,這不是很奇怪嗎所以我覺得這個東西還是按照我的意見我就還是先刪減,然後凍結讓你去說明以上,謝謝"},{"start":4933.553,"end":4953.856,"text":"好請陳建仁委員好謝謝主席那我這邊我就從後面講回來剛剛我們黃建豪委員有提到的這個他的這個38案嘛那我的部分是37案一樣就是這個"},{"start":4955.617,"end":4978.406,"text":"這個所謂觀光雙輪驅動方案國際標杆型的演唱會的一個支持方案那邊的3億到目前為止我們也了解3億都還沒有使用這3億都還沒用那整個國際的演唱團體我想他們都有專業的經紀公司來安排來售票"},{"start":4979.406,"end":5001.505,"text":"而且一估計來講演唱會經濟當然可以帶動我們周邊的觀光產業等等都跟著動起來但是最主要這個部分還是有專業的這樣的一個經濟公司跟專業的行銷公司在做所有的一個演唱會的一個推動的一個事項"},{"start":5002.446,"end":5029.357,"text":"那我們官方署在這邊預計要投資投入3億來帶動這樣的演唱會經濟那我在這邊我跟黃建豪委員一樣我們都是提出這樣的一個春儀啦那最主要我們不是說我們要帶動左邊宣傳給我們酒瓶演唱會經濟不管在高雄不管在台中不管在台北等等"},{"start":5030.277,"end":5053.888,"text":"我們有這個機會,台東也一樣,透過我們的家住的資源,讓這個延長化經濟更具規模、更有效益但是到目前為止都沒有任何的一個方案,就我了解所以我在這邊,我也是主張3億,我們要3.1億"},{"start":5059.63,"end":5077.995,"text":"這個一頁台是要讓我們合作工作因為3億真的全部給人家到目前為止我們的團體經濟公司都沒辦法確認的情況之下3億給我們觀光師我覺得你們頭也會很大第二個我還提出一個第23案"},{"start":5081.056,"end":5084.317,"text":"23號是台灣觀光邁進2030年的一個國際市場的影刻計畫國際市場影刻計畫裡面這邊包含了一筆預算是3400萬"},{"start":5095.621,"end":5114.379,"text":"是要有我們要推動由大陸大陸能夠來到台灣來旅遊的這樣的一個活動就是兩岸旅遊的一個部分那兩岸旅遊我們目前已經很明確的我們的政策"},{"start":5115.18,"end":5140.174,"text":"我們中央執政政府的政策根本就不鼓勵兩岸的旅遊也就是大陸居民是要來台旅遊是受到一些限制的當然他們有開通了我們的小三通就是可以到金門馬祖相關福建地區上海地區可以到金門馬祖來旅遊這個我們也非常歡迎"},{"start":5140.874,"end":5161.505,"text":"但是整個預算我們編列了3400萬來處理這樣的一個兩岸旅遊的一個推動我在這邊是以政策 中央政策就不支持了那我也知道我們觀光署很努力的還是繼續的希望能夠推動那所編列的3400萬"},{"start":5163.446,"end":5190.662,"text":"我主張就三減一成就是340萬這個是對一個我們兩岸旅遊政策的一個宣示今天如果我們的中央政策我們要擴大兩岸的一個旅遊市場讓大陸人民能夠來台灣來旅遊我們要增加我們的行銷費用宣傳費用我們都支持但是我們的政策現在是"},{"start":5192.083,"end":5215.681,"text":"原則上禁止的情況之下所以在這筆預算我主張刪除10%就是三千四百萬內地10%三百四十萬那另外我們剛剛我這邊還有一個第14案第14案剛剛我們魯明哲議員也有提了一樣的我們都在做這個委託調查研究"},{"start":5216.542,"end":5235.821,"text":"有這樣的一個項目那調查研究有它存在的必要也有它執行的必須性但是我們可以很明顯的它跟一百一十四年它所要調查的一個項目幾乎一模一樣就是說這個題目"},{"start":5237.623,"end":5253.593,"text":"都繼續去做,但是你增加了350萬的預算同樣的研究計畫,兩年一起也好,一年一起也好你持續是在做這樣的計畫,這樣的情況之下你在115年度的預算"},{"start":5258.476,"end":5285.271,"text":"你又增加了350萬我是覺得要尊潔這個開支這樣的一個研究計畫案我們剛剛也提了我們的演訓院我們已經今年要成立了那我們也可以來委託嘛何況這個委託又是我們旅行業者跟我們觀光署都有來投入來成立的剛剛署長有說明了嘛在地的人做在地的工作"},{"start":5287.573,"end":5296.736,"text":"這標準在這個預算裡面我們增加了350萬那我在這邊我主張我也不會將350萬給全部都給你抬掉啦我這邊是主張3除200萬"},{"start":5303.078,"end":5322.074,"text":"就是說你其中有一個結尾,或是結尾可能有變化可能要給一些預算,我沒意見那你增加350,我覺得不太合理所以在增加的這個部分,我著意3.2百萬那以上這幾個案子,再請主席做裁示,謝謝"},{"start":5323.655,"end":5350.425,"text":"好謝謝我們請姚浩委員然後請李坤哲委員那就是補充延續剛才林明哲委員所提到就是觀光旅遊業旅宿業的部分在日月潭的部分其實是特別嚴重那但是因為目前的預算的執行率14.8的部分以及包括現在來講三年內旅宿業短缺已經達到1萬以上那剛才所回到的部分有提說是勞動部的部分在負責嘛"},{"start":5351.826,"end":5375.763,"text":"老東部他不會特別針對旅遊旅宿或是觀光業他會去特別的去著重所以說我還是要拜託交通部跟觀光署這邊其實還是要主動的變成說要去要求或是督促老東部那邊還在人力缺口的部分我覺得這樣子包括其實兩年剛才都有提到說有這個分年的那個"},{"start":5376.563,"end":5392.631,"text":"執行的一個進度跟相關的報告那其實在組決議的部分其實我有提到其實分年度的一個效能的一個檢討報告其實還是要讓大家知道大家才知道檢討的方向大家才知道有沒有辦法去要求勞動部那另外就是說剛才在景區的部分"},{"start":5393.211,"end":5415.669,"text":"那觀光遊樂業有遊園車管理規範那目前的進度還是持續緩慢中所以說希望這個能夠加快因為在景區也好或是在國內的有遊戲的許多的一些景點那其實在遊園車的部分現在卡住了之後那其實也導致了國內許多的這些相關的業者他們其實在"},{"start":5416.229,"end":5432.67,"text":"觀光客在國內的旅遊上其實有遇到蠻大的瓶頸所以說遊園車的部分也希望我們在討論預算的同時在法規的部分能夠加快不要到年底的時候才整個修正完能夠加快啟程就加快啟程謝謝好 謝謝我們請李坤哲委員"},{"start":5433.952,"end":5451.554,"text":"好 謝謝有關演唱會的支持方案它不只是支持演唱會特定的項目而已而是作為一個為台灣觀光宣傳的一個重要的方案那其實在2019疫情開始之後"},{"start":5452.435,"end":5468.375,"text":"世界各國除了說對他們相關的觀光業支撐給予協助之外更是投注更多的經費在為疫情過渡之後整個觀光他們自己國家的一個"},{"start":5470.357,"end":5484.488,"text":"強力的一個規劃跟未來的發展投注了更多的資源那其實台灣的觀光局現在的觀光署其實在2019的時候當然政府"},{"start":5485.408,"end":5508.357,"text":"交通部也提出非常多的補助的方案協助我們觀光業度過疫情的寒冬但是在當時我們很可惜沒有投注更多的資源像日本、韓國等旅遊發展的國家他們不只讓旅遊度過寒冬更是投注更多的經費"},{"start":5509.517,"end":5535.087,"text":"在人產的培育在國際的宣傳在相關的未來的旅遊規劃投注更多的資源跟進化我們那個時候啊力道是不足的那現在這個演唱會支持方案啊不只是說宣傳國際的巨星或者是偶像團體到台灣來開辦演唱會它背後更重要的是藉由演唱會我們這樣的一個預算"},{"start":5538.089,"end":5552.527,"text":"來宣傳台灣的一個多樣性或是相關的海外的演唱會來到台灣來這樣的一個宣導的一個宣傳的力道更是透過這樣一個宣導的力道"},{"start":5553.268,"end":5568.88,"text":"推展我們相關的區域旅遊我們要建立台灣的旅遊品牌以及相關的我們這樣的一個旅遊的套裝路線不管是在北部不管是在南部或是中南部"},{"start":5569.48,"end":5592.47,"text":"以及北部中部這樣的一個透過演唱會的這樣的一個支持方案讓國際的旅客知道來台灣不只是演唱會而是就有來到台灣不管是兩天三天或是安排五天的行程都在台灣可以做一個更好的一個旅遊以及參與演唱會的這樣的一個盛會"},{"start":5594.69,"end":5615.898,"text":"這對我們的觀光發展是有很正面的幫助就以高雄演唱會來說高雄演唱會我們要賺的不是說賺場地的錢我們是透過演唱會讓大家高雄有辦演唱會讓不管是國內或是國外的旅客可以來到高雄來旅遊"},{"start":5617.158,"end":5639.705,"text":"增加我們的旅宿業增加我們的餐飲業增加我們城市各行各業的服務跟消費的這樣的一個能力這是最重要的目的演唱會支持方案就是秉持這樣一個精神我認為請大家要支持這對觀光宣傳來講它的本質就是觀光宣傳"},{"start":5640.925,"end":5666.438,"text":"觀光宣傳非常重要 觀光發展基金它本來的作用就是在於國際的觀光宣傳以及相關的國家風景區的整建修建以及各地方縣市政府景點的這種整修的經費都是靠國際觀光發展基金那國際發展"},{"start":5669.039,"end":5689.901,"text":"觀光基金在過去我們不管是藍綠執政的時代用在國際宣傳的經費都非常的高這是非常重要的尤其是我們現在也碰到疫情衝擊之後也碰到花蓮的地震碰到中東的戰爭"},{"start":5691.943,"end":5710.935,"text":"這對國內的觀光發展其實都有一個不利的環境不利的環境我們必須要用更多的資源跟經費來協助我們台灣的觀光發展這個三立一次要砍一億這個真的對台灣的國際宣傳是一個不好的一個發展的狀況請大家參佐"},{"start":5713.69,"end":5740.838,"text":"好 謝謝各位委員寶貴的意見那我本席也在這裡做補充說明我們第37、38案就國際標竿級演唱會的支持方案在我們支持審理署本部預算的時候本會就有做決議是保留送協商所以今天37、38案我們一樣保留送協商好 那其餘的部分其餘剛剛各位委員垂詢的部分那現在請交通部做說明"},{"start":5744.122,"end":5762.74,"text":"針對十四案,我們昨天口頭上有同意改為三千一百萬,昨天有,您現在提兩百萬?本來想兩百萬,現在說可以一百萬?現在我講一百萬,我是的,在你頭上,在你臉上我都看到了"},{"start":5766.463,"end":5772.692,"text":"我是一次把另外我們那個旅休業的那250萬我要刪的全部不刪了所以"},{"start":5776.345,"end":5799.222,"text":"這邊還是兩百 因為我有一個兩百五十萬我已經不刪了 昨天溝通過了 好不好好 那個就就第十四案 十四案 對喔 算一百 好啦 好啦 好啦好 看一百 好然後剛剛也有提到那個就是中國道路的那個部分喔"},{"start":5799.722,"end":5817.591,"text":"因為現在當然中國大陸我們是採取維溫計畫維溫計畫還是希望保持兩岸的友好的狀況所以基本上比較是一個基礎維運的概念所以是希望還是保留保留現在的這個維溫的狀況這個部分我們昨天已經有過程寫上過就是保留維溫所以3400萬才足以3400萬那如果"},{"start":5828.556,"end":5836.923,"text":"如果你中央的政策是要擴大我們兩岸的旅遊交流當然我們都會參加這個部分我不准解我就直接刪除340萬讓你們好工作好去推動這樣的維穩我們也希望透過小三通目前的金門馬祖的一個觀光旅遊逐步擴大能夠在我們中央的"},{"start":5855.719,"end":5866.766,"text":"這個政策的一個支持之下擴大我們大陸地區的人民到台灣來觀光旅遊我這邊記錄你昨天同意口頭山兩百萬耶忘掉了"},{"start":5872.361,"end":5882.209,"text":"第一次提案是三百四啦 昨天口袋都同意好 兩百 都我故意的記憶 都故意的記憶好 兩百然後再講到那個雙輪驅動國際的那一塊的部分除了標竿那個部分我就不在這邊謝謝剛剛那個昆澤委員幫我們做了一個說明其實過去在特別預算的時候我們有個金服器的那個計畫坦白講是獲得國際的好評"},{"start":5901.304,"end":5915.664,"text":"那那個反應真的也很好所以我們今年才會提出了所謂的就是老朋友帶新朋友來到台灣因為國際的旅客的推動跟在國旅是不太一樣的國外的部分呢三年到六個月"},{"start":5916.505,"end":5934.632,"text":"他是需要三個月至少三個月的溝通所以這件事情預算得趕快過我們才有我們現在預算沒過我們是尊重立法院預算沒過我們是不敢啟動任何的溝通的但是相關的準備工作是準備好只是我們沒有辦法去跟組團旅行社提供說我們現在確定的預算是多少"},{"start":5935.092,"end":5955.937,"text":"所以這個部分呢 除了那個標竿計畫之外其他部分也謝謝委員們支持那其他的部分 遊園車的那個部分啦遊園車的部分 那個 遊浩委員先走了就遊園車的部分已經在趕進度那當然是希望說那個是森林遊樂區叫什麼"},{"start":5959.389,"end":5972.919,"text":"那個已經逐案個別在透過不定期的檢查或定期的檢查另外是在年底前我們的對電動車還有那個郵輪車的指引會完成那這部分也持續陸續在進行"},{"start":5976.98,"end":6000.587,"text":"以上先就這樣說明 謝謝好 謝謝我們請洪門凱委員好 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我們爭取明年的可不可以你不能不讓別人學習耶說那這樣的如果說把它蓋牌這樣不行的你直接說今年是誰他的模式怎麼樣你請個國際基金我們縣市或者要去邀請還可以跟他講抱歉我們可以有多兩億補助我舞台什麼樣我都可以你要讓別人學習是要你要說清楚的原因那不然你這樣你不說清楚啊我覺得各縣市大家覺得一個問號我真的覺得不好"},{"start":6244.043,"end":6269.374,"text":"我們請交通部說明謝謝委員針對這題這麼關心其實我相信委員也都支持了那去年我們在提這個項目的時候呢坦白講心目中因為以國際像新加坡泰勒斯這個案子其實他們是用政府的力量大概花了兩三年的時間並不是半年或一年就可以處理的所以我們去年八月在提這個預算是有心目中有目標的"},{"start":6270.194,"end":6297.335,"text":"那當時因為確實藝人的檔期歌手的檔期還有場地所以去年能做這件事情大概就是高雄跟台北所以當時我們對場地可以的時間是多少當時是有做過一些調查的不過隨著我們預算還沒開始審查到現在為止我們能談判的條件就越來越少因為當我們去提出橄欖枝要跟別人談合作的時候我們說不出我們多少預算可以跟別人談"},{"start":6298.075,"end":6319.703,"text":"那本來這樣一個計畫呢是要用政府的力量向世界發聲等於是用政策支持跟引導呢去集結民間的創意可以去把我們台灣內做演唱會經濟這個事情讓世界知道嘛但是我也必須承認以到現在目前都六月下旬六月六月初很快到預算如果能過的時間都已經七月份"},{"start":6321.246,"end":6346.912,"text":"我們真沒有什麼談判條件三億大概不一定花得完因為呢就像委員提的都一樣就是現在有個他基本上的準備的差不多了我為什麼要給他這筆錢我們也給不出這筆錢我們也很珍惜政府的每筆經費我們也不太可能就為了執行率把錢就這樣出去也不會所以最後還是依照可以合作的項目"},{"start":6347.412,"end":6375.446,"text":"那但是是哪些人叫做是屬於有具備標竿型的部分呢相信你我心目中都有因為現在誰會出來在台北或高雄差不多已經知道了所以我必須也承認以我的角色現在通過預算我也覺得我們執行起來相對的也很困難好啦 如果這樣的話我們就依照之前的決議啦我們37 38案就保留送協商"},{"start":6376.286,"end":6376.447,"text":"各位我們就來處理"},{"start":6381.734,"end":6395.98,"text":"關於這個預算你還是要再多跟一些委員溝通說明我們13到38案各位委員我們除37、38案保留送協商我們第14案減列100萬第23案減列200萬那其餘我們就凍結10%一個月內提書面報告後10個凍值好謝謝各位委員"},{"start":6406.445,"end":6414.727,"text":"接下来请各位我们来处理39-49案的主决议好第39案"},{"start":6416.499,"end":6437.392,"text":"第39案已經辦會過魯明哲委員 建請專案報告改為書面報告我們改為書面報告第40案的部分我們就改為書面報告修正後通過40案40案的部分是建請倒數第二行的T2025修改為T2030已經新的年度計畫那專案報告改為書面報告各位委員第40案"},{"start":6443.456,"end":6468.838,"text":"倒數第二行T2025改為T2030然後專案改為書面報告好我們修正後通過第41案是見請專案報告改為書面報告好請路邊走的人在這裡建議一下因為這個案子其實是鼓勵你們要針對於國際自由行旅客跟團體旅客的一個獎勵金但這麼多的國際旅客來了之後我們在"},{"start":6469.418,"end":6483.73,"text":"在台灣有國家級的一個觀光景點其實日月潭我覺得是非常非常重要那日月潭那我在大概半年之前有去過了那我發現有一件事我不知道風景軍管理處有沒有人來"},{"start":6485.211,"end":6509.224,"text":"要特別注意第一個你們現在有大概五段主要的可以徒步跟自行車的一個區塊總共13.7公里我真的建議啦建議你們要想辦法在不影響生態的時候盡量盡量能夠持續串接那第二個是我在走路的過程中因為很多國外旅客很喜歡hiking他們走的"},{"start":6509.824,"end":6523.18,"text":"那有很多騎車的不太衝突但是有很多路段你們當時在設計的時候其實是很窄的是其實是很窄的所以那個步道變成很多自行車會認為說這是自行車專有步道"},{"start":6526.303,"end":6552.75,"text":"那我也碰過對於這個步行的人閃開什麼走開這個過程我希望你在標示的時候能夠更清楚一點它是一個共用的最後一個是我們自行車在發展的過程中從我們人力的自行車已經發展成電動自行車因為我沒有意見因為在整個外型上面跟它的寬窄度變形很少可以省力我覺得很多步行都這樣我一點意見沒有"},{"start":6554.21,"end":6578.264,"text":"可是要特別注意 現在已經有從摩托車端發展成摩托車的形狀然後裝兩隻腳我跟你講那是旗啊 你知道嗎就像魚的旗 它根本不能夠騎車我有照片 我看到這個量還不大你們要特別注意喔你們如果風景區檢查說能夠上這個步道已經這麼窄了"},{"start":6580.245,"end":6596.732,"text":"那個人跟自行車在爭道的過程中你把機車型的電動機車型裝兩個踏板類似小腳踏車的那個你也可以的話我跟你講以後全部變成這樣的一個那就機車就讓他上去就好了請你們注意這個問題謝謝"},{"start":6599.033,"end":6609.233,"text":"好 謝謝盧委員寶貴的意見那我們第41案就專案改為書面是不是這樣好那我們修正要通過第42案"},{"start":6612.278,"end":6632.863,"text":"四十二案的部分金委員同意修正提案第一行的觀光旅運服務便捷計畫修改為永續觀光景區品質安全提升計畫那相除了將地方政府之消費秩序維護同時積極督導各縣市政府建立跨局處常態性聯合稽查機制與不肖商家之懲戒規範文字"},{"start":6634.924,"end":6646.918,"text":"那你刪除嘛好我們第42案第一行第一行最後那個觀光旅運服務便捷計劃修改為永續觀光景區品質"},{"start":6650.061,"end":6667.718,"text":"安全提升提升安全提升計劃永續觀光景區品質安全提升計劃再來到倒數第1234第5行將地方政府的消費次序維護一直到"},{"start":6669.399,"end":6691.105,"text":"接下来连续的惩戒规范到惩戒规范这些文字全部删除各位如果没有意见的话那我们修正通过第四十八案四三案三道办理好召喚通过四十四案三道办理四十五案三道办理四十六案三道办理我们召喚通过四十"},{"start":6692.145,"end":6721.269,"text":"七案 遵照辦理 專案通過四十八案 建議刪除提出分年度的執行進度之效率效能檢討報告文字專案改為書面報告好 各位委員第四十八案我們修正倒數第二行提出分年度執行進度之效率能檢討報告這句話刪除專案改為書面報告沒有意見的話我們就修正通過四十九案 也是專案報告改為書面報告專案改為書面報告修正通過"},{"start":6723.446,"end":6723.655,"text":"谢谢"},{"start":6753.834,"end":6781.84,"text":"好 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