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大家好今天貴院委員司法法制委員會舉辦犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度的現況檢討與經濟專題報告本院奉邀前來列席報告申表榮幸請就被害人訴訟參與制度的運作現況及未來修法規劃方向進行報告"},{"start":1885.962,"end":1911.542,"text":"我國刑事訴訟的制度的建構向來以兼顧發現真實與憲法正當法律程序為核心並由法院檢察官及被告組成訴訟的三角關係而刑事審判程序審判的制度一方面必須維持公正公平跟正當的法律程序另一方面也要因此被犯罪被害人及其家屬在程序中被理解被看見並有適當的"},{"start":1916.006,"end":1929.679,"text":"訴訟資訊的獲知參與程序及表達意見的機會那就現行刑事訴訟法已經有設定被害人訴訟參與的專章對於侵害人身重大法律之犯罪被害人或一定範圍的親屬"},{"start":1931.801,"end":1960.421,"text":"得與檢察官起訴後到第二審言辭辯論終結前向法院申請參與訴訟經法院核准之後呢訴訟參與人得選任或由法院指定代理人並享有期日的通知、倒行陳述跟見證資訊的獲知並就準備程序相關事項調查證據科刑範圍表示意見的權利那法院實務上我們會在濟發第一次的通知的時候會有"},{"start":1961.562,"end":1986.25,"text":"附記了犯罪被害人訴訟參與權益告知書還有被害人及告訴人訴訟權益告知書提醒被害人可以行使上開的權益申請相關的保護措施那特定案件的被害人及其家屬就可以利用這個相關的資訊獲知平台查詢案件的進行跟強制處分以及裁判結果或者是主動受到告知"},{"start":1987.697,"end":2002.457,"text":"就統計來講我們目前大概被害人訴訟參與案件大概從109年到115年5月到目前大概648件那獲准率大概75%到85%就是一省跟二省的那國民法官"},{"start":2002.877,"end":2025.413,"text":"總共准許了140件目前這個制度已經正式在執行那對相關訴訟的程序進行中我們會給予適當的保障例如說出庭的程序的遮蔽或是用永續視訊的方式或者是用其他遮蔽或是戴面鏡的方式來做處理保護被害人或訴訟參與人一些相關的一些人身自由的安全那另外包括"},{"start":2026.073,"end":2035.146,"text":"我們比較精進的是現在正在修的刑事訴訟法的部分我們要強化被害人在量刑程序的一些主體地位我們朝領訴訟參與人及代理人在苛刑辯論之前可以提起被害人影響陳述那使法院"},{"start":2041.674,"end":2056.118,"text":"在可以聽取刑犯罪行為對被害人的相關的還有家屬的心理生理或是家庭產生任何讓行的一些影響這個部分這是主要的修法方向那至於其他的因為時間關係我就先報告到此 謝謝好 謝謝副秘書長那接下來我們有請訪問部的馮誠志馮長志來進行報告 謝謝"},{"start":2070.973,"end":2091,"text":"主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天奉邀就犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度的現況檢討與精進代表本部列席報告並被質詢刑訴法的制度的目的在於透過正當法律程序發現真實追訴犯罪同時保障被告防禦權及公平審判"},{"start":2092.11,"end":2113.547,"text":"犯罪發生後被害人的權利受害司法程序應與保護使其適時的掌握訴訟資訊了解後續偵查審判執行的進行並有表達意見及程序參與的機會目前我國新訴訟法已經建立了犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度針對故意過失犯罪致死或重傷強盜擄人勒贖"},{"start":2116.189,"end":2136.623,"text":"部分的妨害性自主、人口販運及兒少性剝削等重大的案件被害人得與檢察官提取公訴後到二審言辭辯論的終結前向法院申請參與本案訴訟經法院准許後訴訟參與人得選任代理人於審判中越卷"},{"start":2137.723,"end":2151.501,"text":"並得於準備程序審判日期日到場就調查證據科刑的範圍 陳述意見除了訴訟參與制度本部也與司法院共同建置了被害人的刑事訴訟資訊獲知平台"},{"start":2153.363,"end":2166.638,"text":"使被害人及其家屬能適時的掌握案件進度及其權益相關的重要資訊另依犯罪被害人權益保障法本部督導之犯罪被害人保護協會也持續的提供法律諮詢 帶善書狀"},{"start":2169.301,"end":2185.876,"text":"訴訟代理、陪同出庭以及心理諮商協助申請訴訟參與及假釋意見陳述等服務落實一路相伴的保護精神近期大院委員就犯罪被害人保護及訴訟參與制度提出了若干刑事訴訟法的修法建議"},{"start":2186.917,"end":2202.251,"text":"那反映了國會對於被害人安全保護、隱私維護、私訊獲知、法律協助、意見表達、良心參與等面向的一個高度關切本部對於強化犯罪被害人保護的方向予以重視而且同意"},{"start":2203.211,"end":2225.6,"text":"為涉及到刑事數碼修正及法院審判程序設計應通盤考量審慎的評估其必要性範圍跟配套本部將會在我們的全責範圍內就檢察官的實務犯罪被害人保護服務及執行面向提供意見來配合司法院審慎的研議未來本部也將持續的強化三個方向"},{"start":2226.44,"end":2244.054,"text":"第一,強化前端權益的告知及保護服務的轉介,使被害人及家屬能及早的知悉相關制度的資源。第二,持續優化被害人的刑事訴訟資訊獲知平台,提升案件資訊取得的便利性和即時性。"},{"start":2244.714,"end":2266.435,"text":"第三強化科刑緩刑條件及執行階段的被害人表達意見使被害人能就其權益密切相關的事項獲得適當表達意見的機會本部將持續在強化被害人實質保護及刑事訴訟程序正當程序之間尋求周妥橫評以上報告敬請主席及各位委員指教謝謝"},{"start":2268.723,"end":2274.238,"text":"好 謝謝次長的報告那接下來我們再請仿佛基金會的莊董事長來說明"},{"start":2284.557,"end":2312.154,"text":"主席 各位委員及在座的各位先進 大家好感謝今天有機會代表法輔來進行報告本會這幾年都是致力強化犯罪被害人的司法保護有配合《犯罪被害人權益保障法》《刑事訴訟法》《國民法官法》等法令的修正持續調整並優化法令輔助制度以及服務品質"},{"start":2313.575,"end":2339.324,"text":"立法院108年12月10日修正刑事訴訟法提升了犯罪被害人的保護增訂訴訟參與等條文本會也因此在109年的2月26日在董事會的決議修正本會法律輔助私刑範圍辦法的規定就新修正刑事訴訟法第455條之38第一項所定的犯罪的被害人"},{"start":2339.984,"end":2368.73,"text":"在他的案情及資歷均符合本會規定的情況下提供審判中告訴代理的輔助因此如果被害人他的案情及資歷符合本會規定我們會指派法輔的律師協助使被害人在刑事署審判中能夠依法表達自身的意見提升被害人在這類案件中的主體性以114年為例本會輔助的審判中告訴代理案件總共500件"},{"start":2369.87,"end":2394.133,"text":"若被害人表達欲向法院申請輸送參與法律輔助律師即會提供相關的協助我們本會與犯罪被害人保護協會也建立緊密合作的機制推動單一窗口及服務轉介機制也就是說如果資歷是高於本會規定的被害人我們會轉介到環保協會指派律師"},{"start":2395.594,"end":2414.811,"text":"發現被害人如果有經濟或心理支持的需求者也會轉介至環保協會尋求協助藉這個形成更完整的被害人支持網雙方轉介的過程中也會在被害人同意的前提下就相關的審查文件包括戶籍藤本所得材料"},{"start":2416.432,"end":2435.124,"text":"資料等都一併轉給受轉介的單位避免被害人一再重複到目前為止每年度都有穩定的轉介案指數在即時協助的層面我們有開設犯罪被害人法律諮詢專線由法律提供被害人即時的法律諮詢114年度諮詢專線的案件超過4100件"},{"start":2440.487,"end":2448.395,"text":"也因應MeToo運動與性別平權的需求我們另外設性別平權視訊諮詢專線保障諮詢者的隱私114年的服務達到125人次那麼律師的在職經銹方面我們這幾年為"},{"start":2458.064,"end":2483.463,"text":"推動重點的修復式司法以及重大刑事案件被害人輔助律師的課程與環保協會與律師公會來合作開課所以邀請了檢察官各方面都一起來參與所以在國民法官施行之後國民法官法的施行之後我們更在這方面配合開課來了解彼此的"},{"start":2484.716,"end":2503.121,"text":"運作包括我們幾次的全國法胡日都是以犯罪被害人的權益保障為主題經常辦理包括被害人的理解與支持的活動以及宣導譬如詐騙的這些情境提醒弱勢民眾避免被詐騙保障"},{"start":2505.722,"end":2532.497,"text":"被害人能夠避免被一些大騙集團所騙總結來說 我們這幾年持續跟各界協助那麼一起建立資源轉介的機制適時提供協助與律師的專業信念確保每一個被害人都能獲得及時 適切 而且有尊嚴的法律協助早日重建生活以上報告 敬請各位委員指教 謝謝好 謝謝莊董事長"},{"start":2535.031,"end":2539.714,"text":"那接下來我們請那個飯堡協會的執行長陳娟娟執行長來進行報告主席以及各位委員各位女士先生大家好那以下呢我就就本會有關於犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度的現況檢討以及精進二要報告如下詳細資訊呢請詳閱書面資料"},{"start":2561.227,"end":2588.57,"text":"一 保護服務成果 淡保法在修正施行後本會持續完善被害人訴訟權益的保障一百一四年共提供法律協助九千多件次服務五萬三千餘人次服務內容也涵蓋了法律諮詢 帶狀書狀以及律師的代理訴訟費用補助還有法律輔助轉介及訴訟資訊的協助以提供被害人完整且連續的法律服務"},{"start":2590.071,"end":2614.844,"text":"二 專業律師的代理本會結合全國435位合作律師主動告知被害人訴訟權益參與權以及訴訟資訊獲知權並依其意願協助提出申請對於故意犯罪致死及重大社會矚目案件更主動為請律師擔任代理人確保被害人在司法程序中獲得專業法律協助三 被害影響陳述"},{"start":2617.166,"end":2635.978,"text":"強化被害人被害影響及量刑意見的表達本會與檢察機關建立合作機制包含陪同被害人接受檢察官的訪談以及協助提供被害人影響陳述資訊並搭建檢察官與范寶律師的溝通平台共同延伸訴訟策略以及量刑意見"},{"start":2636.738,"end":2663.195,"text":"那案件上述二審後呢也會持續與檢查機關合作來延續保障被害人程序參與以及相關的權益四開庭程序支持本會建立庭前審理以及庭後的保護服務措施整合法律協助陪同出庭心理支持以及生活照護以提供完整的支持並建立陪同出庭制度推動專項的培訓以及認證"},{"start":2664.216,"end":2685.25,"text":"提升出庭照料的服務品質讓被害人能安心參與訴訟程序那本會也將持續秉持以被害人為中心的服務理念經濟訴訟參與制度深化與司法機關的合作以保障被害人的程序參與權以提供完整周詳的一個保護服務以上報告來敬請主席及各位委員指教 謝謝"},{"start":2690.302,"end":2712.862,"text":"好 那麼現在列席代表都已經報告完畢相關書面內容請各位參閱並列入公報記錄那我們現在就開始進行詢答那本會委員詢答時間為8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員詢答時間為5分鐘並不再延長那上午10點30分截止發言登記那接下來我們就先請登記第一位的陳昭芝委員發言"},{"start":2719.175,"end":2719.435,"text":"有四個單位 謝謝你們"},{"start":2742.947,"end":2758.171,"text":"好 各位早我想請教各位犯罪被害人權益保障法在2023年2月8號金總統公佈了然後2023年全文施行現在是三週年那我想請教各位我先請教馮次長您對於這條法案的實施您滿意嗎"},{"start":2764.734,"end":2786.5,"text":"我們本部會全力的保護我們的犯罪被害人的一個權益目前你滿意已經三週年了你們也慶祝過了我們非常的努力做跟委員報告我們不是慶祝我們是其實是把我們各項的一個成果就是做一個我們的一個審視那我們其實在我們的犯罪被害人保護之中我們推動的一路相伴這一部分其實我們發揮了很大的一個成效"},{"start":2787.32,"end":2812.163,"text":"市長謝謝您就是說您在做但是您大概沒辦法回答我您自己滿意嗎大概您心中大概自己會有一個答案啦我的答案我當然是滿意的那就是副秘書長李副秘書長請問同樣的問題您對這個施行滿意嗎這個我們司法院是完全配合相關犯保法的相關的施行來治癒那您自己覺得施行你參與的部分滿意嗎"},{"start":2813.732,"end":2815.235,"text":"請問法輔基金會莊董事長"},{"start":2824.083,"end":2843.901,"text":"您對於這部法案的這個施行三週年您滿意嗎?以法府的立場來講話的話我們是依法去執行嘛那如果說沒有一個制度呢能夠說叫做百分之百的完美了其實我們的國家已經在這一個方面被害人的保護方面"},{"start":2844.501,"end":2856.41,"text":"我們已經盡全力莊董事長你們在努力但是你也不敢說你有相當程度的滿意好那再來是飯堡協會陳執行長您對於這個法案的施行您滿意嗎"},{"start":2858.828,"end":2883.424,"text":"謝謝委員如果我們針對一個人悲憾的立場的話我們真的很感謝有這個機會來親自走進法庭來參與這個審理的過程那也可以讓他們為自己或者是為他失去家人來爭取一個公平正義的一個發展的結果因為剛剛您報告當然不只您大概報告對我來說是還蠻冷冰冰的文字跟數字但是等一下我會給一些活生生的例子所以您滿意嗎"},{"start":2886.166,"end":2894.64,"text":"因為有代表性我們努力中大家都努力中那謝謝那我就請這個司法院副秘書長跟法務部次長留步其他人先請回謝謝"},{"start":2897.247,"end":2918.313,"text":"那次長那個財政法院犯罪被害人保護協會在7月1號的時候跟台灣高等署 當然警察署共同舉辦了一個記者會這個名稱很長喔守護升級服務深化新犯保法實行三周年從制度建構邁向溫暖的一路相伴然後鄭部長在記者會上表示這段話是"},{"start":2918.993,"end":2945.174,"text":"看起來是非常的溫馨感人新犯保法實行三年不只是法條修正更是台灣司法保護裡面的重要轉變法律能夠建立制度劃出保護邊界但真正讓犯罪被害人感受到被接觸的是制度背後每一位陪伴者的同理跟關懷法務部三年來持續督導各機關落實新法規定精進犯罪被害者補償制度深化修復式的司法跟案件不漏接的機制並結合犯保協會及各會各界的"},{"start":2945.894,"end":2969.28,"text":"資源強化司法程序的陪伴生活的重建心理支持服務這段話老實說聽起來都是肺腑感人那我請問次長您真的認為部長所說的犯罪被害補償制度修復式司法案件不漏接等對犯罪被害人的包括他的保護還有訴訟上山的參與您覺得都做到了嗎"},{"start":2970.213,"end":2986.851,"text":"跟委員說其實我們有一個目標有一個願景就是剛剛部長提的就是我們希望達到的方向那在這件事情上我們的所有的犯罪被害保護的協會以及我們所有的這個相關從事的人員都盡了最大的力量在做這件事情"},{"start":2987.432,"end":3000.921,"text":"那委員也可能可以參考一下說我們在飯堡的一個相關的一個活動其實事實上真的幫助了非常多的犯罪被害人也對於我們國家的犯罪被害人的家屬謝謝次長回答等一下我用實例來跟您討論那我認為三周年開個記者會也不為過啦但是你們當然如果說不認為是慶祝那就紀念吧但是除了就是說手拿標語拍拍照這樣等等我覺得法務部更該做的是"},{"start":3014.031,"end":3032.244,"text":"反省跟檢討看看哪裡要做得更好執行的情況如何不是說時間到了那我們就來辦個紀念或是辦個所謂慶祝那我為什麼要說這麼嚴厲的話因為我是從一個傷心的案子一個破碎的家庭一對痛苦的父母身上"},{"start":3034.084,"end":3058.529,"text":"體會出這個制度跟法律其實是嚴重的不足副秘書長跟次長兩位震驚全台的新北國中國中生割喉案今年二月判決定宴乾哥乾妹兩位少年兄子分別被判了12年跟11年的徒刑當天這位被殺死的楊姓國中的父親我們都叫他楊爸爸因為你們規定他不准洩露被害人但後來他自己次長把他兒子名字講出來"},{"start":3059.269,"end":3065.421,"text":"他列了18項聲明啊媒體都有報導我先請教副秘書長跟次長你有看過嗎他的18項聲明你們讀了嗎"},{"start":3069.025,"end":3096.017,"text":"沒有嘛 沒有讀嘛這個副秘書長 這個次長你們都應該回去好好讀可以嗎看一下嘛這個這麼這個被害人驚天動地整個國家都在矚目的這個案子他講了18點因為裡面的每一項聲明都跟犯罪被害人你們剛剛一直在提到的強調保護還有被害人的這個家屬如果因為被害人已經過世的話那他的訴訟參與上的這個都是息息相關的"},{"start":3097.398,"end":3124.215,"text":"那時間有限我先把這個判決定義那天楊爸爸所發的聲明中的幾點比較重要的幾點拿出來就教兩位首先楊爸爸在第五點提到他在一審的時候向法官提問為什麼讓加害者的證人在走廊上看到秘密證人呢結果一審的流行法官跟楊爸爸說那是警察認定的秘密證人法律說他不在這個秘密證人的保護裡面後來啊更加讓這個加害者"},{"start":3125.876,"end":3151.363,"text":"他們當庭對質沒有任何保護請問副秘書長跟次長在證人保護法裡面第四條這個法條也蠻長的證人或與其有密切利害關係之人因為證人到場作證就算身體自由或財產有遭受危害之處而有受保護之必要者法院與審理中或檢察官與偵查中得依職權或依證人被害人或其代理人被告或其辯護人被移送人或選證"},{"start":3153.023,"end":3176.119,"text":"復師輔佐人司法警察官 案送一件機關自訴案件 自訴人士申請核發證人保護書 但時間急迫來不及發的 也得以先採取必要的保護措施條文都寫成這麼清楚的 為什麼會有出現法官說那個是警察說的這個秘密證人不是法律上所保護的秘密證人呢 請秘書長 副秘書長來回答"},{"start":3178.546,"end":3199.034,"text":"委員好 這個是令人傷心的案子的確我們法院在這個少年案件審理的時候讓被害人在以正的身份出庭的時候沒有做好相當隔離措施那一次沒有做好嘛 那我再問下一句我要跟委員報告的 事實上我們在在今年的2月2號我們曾經邵家庭有發一個函"},{"start":3200.675,"end":3214.071,"text":"各法院的少年法庭在審理相關的案件的時候我們會有發一些相關的權利通知書請他證人或是被害人他有這樣的需求我還有下一個問題就是說可以讓加害者在法庭上當庭對質嗎"},{"start":3217.635,"end":3242.355,"text":"這個對資的部分呢 那個就是訴訟審理的需要但是他剛剛有跟委員報告過可以透過單面鏡的方式或其他隔離所以我們也曾經有發個函請各法院在相關的證人在做楊爸爸怎麼說呢那個加害人少年就跟他說我出來後我會找你 我將來會找你報復所以楊爸爸已經心裡有數了他說等這個少年出來以後他大概認知自己大概就沒命了"},{"start":3244.344,"end":3266.766,"text":"所以剛剛有跟委員報告說這部分我們的確是要做一些相當的檢討跟改進然後我們有發函請各法院來做一些相關的一些保護措施次長為什麼檢察機關會這麼隨便認定一個人是不是秘密證人呢請次長回答這麼隨便認定嗎警察官然後他說不是嗎跟委員講我們不會隨便認定啊我們的認定的這個秘密證人都是"},{"start":3266.886,"end":3285.449,"text":"你要保護也要從寬嘛你要得到取得完整的資訊嘛跟委員保...警察說是 法官說不是跟委員說 其實在這件事情上剛剛我們已經提...我們的副秘長也提到了就是說這是一個...林大輝你提到這是一件令人遺憾的事情但是 針對這件事情檢察機關在犯罪被害保護"},{"start":3285.589,"end":3305.764,"text":"他那麼認真的 楊爸爸那麼提出的18點聲明你們都沒看我跟委員報告不是不看因為事實上來講我們的飯堡的協會的同仁全部都一路相伴從開記者會 從各項訴訟輔助全部都在旁邊陪伴事實上在家屬部分對我們檢方的這個犯罪被害保護也是都是給予肯定的你同意他們當面對質嗎跟誰對質"},{"start":3310.475,"end":3332.344,"text":"就是這個受保護的證人跟加害者我們沒有對詞這個制度啊其實我們的所有的犯罪被害保護的同仁都是及時而且時時刻刻的關懷沒有您所謂的那種說我們好像是說今天對他請你把楊爸爸的這個聲明痛心的聲明我們同仁都有看過委員我們都有針對我們的這個聲明之中"},{"start":3334.425,"end":3345.833,"text":"然後我們仔細的研究事實上來講就是說您提到的這個部分上我們不但做了法律的輔助我們還經濟上我們也都已經完成了那個我們113年的6月那你可以讓牙爸爸跟你見面嗎?你們好好討論最近司法院副秘書長我在請教他公佈的送人信任處理法條件裡面有一部分倒是回應了"},{"start":3355.699,"end":3368.684,"text":"養爸爸跟廣大社會的一個民眾的要求但很多細節我還是不滿意的不過那是另外一個法律要處理我們回到被害人保護這個議題請吳秘書長現行的少年事件處理法是否在被害人注重參與有嚴重的不足"},{"start":3369.808,"end":3390.817,"text":"這部分跟委員報告一下這有關於少年事件條約65條相關的條文修正我們已經提出去了讓少年在少年案件在少年刑事案件原先是不可以參與訴訟的那現在我們在開放了一些比較因故意所以才要檢討嘛對對對我們這部分的草案已經提出去了"},{"start":3392.238,"end":3406.325,"text":"對 這部分我們做事都不能回應現在法 我們去出院會現在在行政院會選之中我想應該很快就會送到大院來這邊做審議我必須說 楊爸爸他現在口罩拿掉了他的兒子名字直接講你們要找他也可以找因為本來是不能公告這個當事人"},{"start":3407.506,"end":3431.822,"text":"他多次對社會傳他在新北國中這個國中生割殼案當中對這兩位兇手的假釋量刑他都沒有機會都沒辦法重複陳述意見整個審判過程幾乎都聚焦在加害人的背景跟教化的可能對於家屬的傷痛法官在判決書中完全沒有看見沒有考量這個所謂修復式的司法的目的在這個這起少年殺人事件當中司法過程還未落實他告訴我們"},{"start":3432.862,"end":3441.016,"text":"這整個判決書當中全部幾乎都著眼於怎麼樣讓這個少年保護這個少年但是被害的部分幾乎沒有著墨那我想請問為什麼會出現這樣的狀況請這個副秘書長回答是"},{"start":3446.971,"end":3465.362,"text":"這個部分委員所提到的這個問題事實上我們也注意到了所以我們現在修法方向在怎樣保全少年健全自我成長的這個消失法的目的之下做一些跟被害人的相關權益的提升跟調整這部分我們已經注意到了你們已經改了但是就是很遺憾就是發生這麼重大的這個慘痛事件以後"},{"start":3468.464,"end":3488.079,"text":"所以說新的少事件有針對少年事件被害人進行補強那過去的重點全部在這個放在少年身上嘛所以很多被害人他只知道說自己家人失禍但就不知道案子怎麼進行或是說怎麼法案怎麼處理或是讓他們越濕越倦對事情完全不清楚他就會誤解嘛他就會做不好的想像嘛就請問傅米爽你同意我這段話嗎"},{"start":3493.283,"end":3504.754,"text":"事實上在邵氏法36條之一他已經有包括訴訟告知這部分已經有了那也許在相關的訴訟權利的支息這部分他的感覺是這樣就是說我剛剛講這句話你同意嗎因為如果你不讓他參與讓他去審閱卷那他會有不好的想像不對的聯想或誤會所以在訴訟程序一定要讓他透明讓他雙方"},{"start":3515.285,"end":3524.405,"text":"你同意我這段話嗎你同意我這段陳述嗎謝謝你同意我這是少年法官少年法庭法官蔡坤胡法官在面對媒體說的還不是我說的"},{"start":3526.656,"end":3550.111,"text":"就是副秘書長跟次長 質詢十一有限如果我只能用我對犯罪被害人保護的粗淺知識向你們請教因為你們才是專家法律必須活用 若是在每個人身上所以這個新版的犯罪被害人保障法滿三週年法務部該做的不是記者會就是說我們做三週年 而是說好好去檢討剛剛你們的數字等等 其實我們要看的是說"},{"start":3550.791,"end":3569.092,"text":"包括被害者家屬他們是不是覺得他們也有得到他們應有的保護或應有的訴訟參與這些過去不足的地方那司法院的部分應該要把沒有落實犯罪被害人及其家屬保障的審理程序的漏洞趕快補起來"},{"start":3570.653,"end":3594.894,"text":"趕快補起來你們回去再看一下楊爸爸的那些聲明你對少年的保障絕對不能是侵犯犯罪被害人的權利或是侵犯被害犯罪人的訴訟參與的理由他不是理由你不是為了保護這少年就會侵害這個被害被害人被害家屬這一次沒有被害人被害人過世只有被害人家屬你不能侵犯他們的這個他們訴訟參與還有他們的保護"},{"start":3598.767,"end":3618.519,"text":"也請兩位兩位首長是不是整個就這個部分就是再好好的回去做檢討跟反省兩個都沒有都不講話啦謝謝委員只講這部分我們正在進行中因為我們跟楊爸爸見面太多次了太多的訴求太多的事實上就是說針對給我一點時間因為針對這個新北的這一件案件裡面從一開端"},{"start":3623.171,"end":3644.87,"text":"我們想我們的犯罪被判保護人協會就已經協助去進行調查如果委員可以的話也可以問問楊爸爸其實我們的相關的同仁真的做了很大的一個努力然後相關的一個經濟上的法律上都有做協助那所以說委員我們今天的這個同仁我相信你們願意盡力 知道這樣的案子以後我們一定會盡全力但是他在判決定業那一天他寫了18項聲明"},{"start":3646.371,"end":3659.142,"text":"我還是希望兩位首長他裡面就是說有針對少年的部分剛剛我們那個副廳長都已經有提到了會針對訴訟上的制度再做一個調整那這個部分上我們會盡全力去做的 謝謝委員好 謝謝兩位首長 謝謝主席好 接下來我們請翁曉琳委員做詢答"},{"start":3677.742,"end":3686.735,"text":"好 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第二個問題當被害人講出這些話的時候法院到底有沒有需要把這些話當作考量的依據"},{"start":5076.5,"end":5088.352,"text":"有沒有必要這是不是法官的意義當然是應該的這是法官在量刑上應該慎做的事項當然我們還有第三個陳述問題等一下再談法官如果應該要考量的話是只要在判決書裡面"},{"start":5090.187,"end":5114.976,"text":"記錄下被害人曾經講什麼就可以還是必須說明我對被害人講過什麼的這個想法是什麼我想第三個問題你們有想過嗎事實上跟委員說明一下那有關於裁判書的法官說理義務這個部分我們現在也希望在法院再量刑的精緻化跟細緻化這個部分能做更進一步的所以他就變選擇嘛法官是可以選擇做或不做"},{"start":5115.836,"end":5139.331,"text":"他沒有做也不會成為判決違背法令的理由也沒辦法上訴三審啊對不對這個有可能會被最高法院要上訴審來做挑剔有關量刑的部分他的不夠精細這個就是我這次要跟你們提的一個其中的一個重點因為三審是法律審那如果他沒有加以審查的話又不屬於違背法令的判決被加署"},{"start":5139.977,"end":5155.408,"text":"被害者連救濟的機會都沒有這是我今天要跟你點的第一個重大的問題我要跟各位報告我們自己都有小孩你家裡面小孩之後跌倒受一個小傷我們都心痛的要命那今天這個媽媽啊這個馬來西亞這女大生的媽媽她講什麼"},{"start":5157.549,"end":5173.865,"text":"他說不只我女兒是受害者 我也是啦他說我唯一的女兒 完整的家都沒有每次來台灣都是心理的虐待女兒身上的傷是多心狠手辣的人才做得出來那請求台灣司法給我公正公道跟正義"},{"start":5175.026,"end":5198.419,"text":"你知道他講這些然後他也講了說如果他當下一下就斷氣死亡沒有受到很大的痛苦他媽媽還可以接受他已經卑微到這樣但是他今天看到的是這個死者他反抗還咬被告而且被暴力的打到死所以這個對一個父母來說是多麼傷痛的一件事但是我們的施法卻沒有讓人家感覺到一點點的溫暖這是讓家屬會有這種"},{"start":5201.821,"end":5212.76,"text":"會有這種感覺 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被害人因此所受的損害難以平復這部分他是他在量刑旅遊之類所以有的裁判說的確會記載進去我知道這是我跟廳長您報告更衣省也有啊馬大生案更衣省也有更二省不見了所以我們注意到這一塊我只希望把這個東西列入為制度而不是看法官的心情或法官的個性因為這對家屬不公平嘛我跟你講一個家人被殺死"},{"start":5328.121,"end":5348.082,"text":"毀掉的是整個家庭不是單一個人我辦過的案子一個獨子被打死他爸爸媽媽說他們的人生也沒了那一槍等於打死三個人這是事實大家會遇到所以我今天希望的一個部分就是說因為二審如果沒有處理好根本沒有辦法當作上訴三審的理由"},{"start":5348.763,"end":5368.419,"text":"三省是法律省所以這個部分我是希望把它列到制度裡面由法律來規範賦予法官的義務我沒有要求法官要全面接受被害人家屬的說法但是你不接受的理由要告訴大家我們只是要求這樣我沒有要去影響法官的判決但是法官你不採"},{"start":5369.6,"end":5383.923,"text":"被害者家屬的說法我都尊重但必須說明清楚好不好這庭長那麻煩你們考量跟委員說明一下我想在刑法57條跟量刑的相關的因審酌的事項包括被害人所受的損害"},{"start":5385.104,"end":5395.287,"text":"這些就是法院在量刑時因審酌的事項法官一定會有審酌只是他有沒有寫在裁判書上面而已應該是記載的問題我跟你講你這個無期條那個我們當然知道啦但是不管怎麼樣我們已經讓家屬有說話的機會了"},{"start":5406.73,"end":5429.208,"text":"但是我們賦予他說話的機會卻不要求法官對他說的話表示踩或不踩的意見那這樣就不對了嘛你等於開了一扇門但是後門又再把他關起來還是沒有意義啊委員講的我是認同的這個我們法官更進一步的在說我想這個部分我將來修正東西我還是把它補上啦我希望把它補上變成是一個制度我的修好方向不是要求"},{"start":5430.109,"end":5450.417,"text":"被害人有主張的這個機會而已我要求的是要讓遺主看得到這些家人看得到法官到底是怎麼想採或不採他的想法因為法官如果在判決書裡面連交代他怎麼看待被害人痛苦的勇氣都沒有那司法院喊的那個司法衛名就變成口號"},{"start":5451.477,"end":5462.709,"text":"所以這是我的一個想法再來我想跟你提到的一個點就是我們的量刑資訊系統的黑箱的問題"},{"start":5467.193,"end":5491.236,"text":"因為你們現在雖然有用一個那個量刑因子的那個系統對不對然後但是呢這會我當然想到一個資料庫的問題因為過往的資料過往的法官你並沒有賦予他一個要說明這個被害人家屬的他們的論述他們的聲明你並沒有賦予法官要採或不採的義務要說明在判決裡面嘛所以這個資料庫並沒有辦法完整的"},{"start":5492.837,"end":5508.264,"text":"實現這一塊也就是說過往的判決他不需要說明說被害者家屬有多痛苦但是我不予採納為量刑的理由過往的判決沒有這個義務所以這個資料庫裡面是沒有辦法呈現這個的啊資料庫裡面的所有量刑依止都是犯罪的客觀事實"},{"start":5509.304,"end":5527.322,"text":"對於被害人家屬多痛苦而放盡量刑因子的這個在資料庫是沒有的所以這會變成未來資料庫的一個大黑箱一個大的一個問題啦一個漏洞在那裡所以我是要麻煩你們就這一塊也要把它列入參考好不好"},{"start":5528.382,"end":5552.577,"text":"謝謝委員的指教這部分我們對事實性量刑秩序系統的精進我們現在一直是在做那也在做一些相關的改進包括我們在國法案件有用它的更細緻的量刑因子表這部分我們有在進一步的實施因為我看到那個高雄屍奪獎案啊新北戈口案其實法官在判決裡面都沒有去提到被害者家屬他們所以我們在新的修法那委員剛剛也提到過那45之48那還有一個就是"},{"start":5555.899,"end":5570.673,"text":"既然我們有讓這些被害人家屬在輸送餐飲上面有一個陪同權既然有這個陪同權那我也想要麻煩一個點就是說陪同的這個部分是不是可以在執法上面把它明文化讓家屬"},{"start":5571.354,"end":5587.639,"text":"或者是陪同者更有跡可循到法庭他能怎麼做或要服從什麼樣的規定我沒有要再母法但執法可不可以麻煩你們處理一下也許我們會再注意事項這個部分我們來做進一步來做處理謝謝委員的指教這個很重要還有就是說"},{"start":5589.62,"end":5607.458,"text":"還有一個就是他這些人那個家屬他來發言的時候他的資料等等的個人資料你們也要注意保密的部分這部分我們沒有問題我們對相關證人被害人還有包括代理人的相關的個資的部分我們都是非常的小心這部分我們會做進一步的再做處理"},{"start":5609.966,"end":5618.892,"text":"最後想提一個點我還是說那個教化可能性的問題因為教化可能性一直是大家很爭議的很有意見的東西"},{"start":5620.382,"end":5645.108,"text":"我跟你講我自己辦過的案子啊我在市民地檢署曾經處理過一個被告他來開庭文質彬彬講話非常客氣非常有道理我看到警察的筆錄一堆人把他說他這個人很可怕動不動打人動不動罵人結果呢我們開庭都覺得他很乖這根本就是一個模範的代表後來有一天我剛好帶朋友在市民夜市那邊看到他騎摩托車在裡面騷擾人大呼小叫"},{"start":5645.928,"end":5664.097,"text":"也就是說被告在開庭的時候是會表演的那你動不動用被告他在開庭的時候或者是他在教誨師面前他的情緒是善意的他有回憶以這個來當作有教化的標準我真的覺得不太能接受啦因為這樣子的話我說真的就大家講的嘛"},{"start":5665.953,"end":5683.499,"text":"中華民國表演能力最強的是誰 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那跟委員報告一下 委員把剛剛我們修立法這是我們司法院有關於被他影響陳述的部分的相關修法歷程包括我們的想法 那委員說明得非常的輕也謝謝委員的支持那現在案子已經在行政院這邊了什麼時候送的我們從去年8月15號就已經送過去 9月15號9月15號就送到行政院會嫌 那到目前為止好像"},{"start":6114.517,"end":6134.979,"text":"好,那我們請法務部好,請法務部市長你好我想請問一下,我們司法院去年九月就送到行政院會議,現在程序走到哪裡?目前還在審議中還在審議中,這個法案的部分"},{"start":6137.139,"end":6152.586,"text":"目前程序走到哪裡?講清楚目前還在會選中、審查中那其中是有什麼樣的問題?為什麼會這麼久?以你們的了解這個部分上可能是不是"},{"start":6155.823,"end":6169.813,"text":"跟委員報告,因為就是涉及的議題比較多,那可能我們要對,這是一整包啦,這個45條之48只是其中一條而已,我知道是一整包刑事訴訟法的修正那比較大的問題是卡在哪裡?為什麼會考那麼久?沒有沒有,不是你們也不了解"},{"start":6177.956,"end":6192.307,"text":"對就是有招會討論只是說他可能涉及的那個面向比較多方啦所以說還要再評估一下相關的所以以你們的了解現在還在評估中"},{"start":6193.715,"end":6221.023,"text":"就是還在討論還在討論研議中還在討論研議中好這個這個這個會後來來報告委員我們回去會再把這個就是審議的目前的狀況再跟委員做一個詳細的一個說明好再說明為什麼這個這樣子的討論這麼久了去年去年8月15到現在這個還沒有做好報告部我們請我再聊幾次部分那我們副秘書長委員好"},{"start":6223.052,"end":6223.072,"text":"好 這個 這個"},{"start":6226.311,"end":6252.927,"text":"我想有關於我們這個現在這個送的這個草案,現在雖然還卡在行政院的審議當中但是我們其實最主要的這個修法就是我們就苛刑範圍事項可以這個被害人,也就是訴訟參與人可以請求詢問被告這是最主要、最重要的修法,也是踏出了一大步對於被害人訴訟參與的地位,它踏出了一大步那這個部分"},{"start":6253.767,"end":6259.655,"text":"這個所謂的苛刑範圍事項他應該是在延遲辯論之後在苛刑辯論之前應該是在這個階段這個階段他可以救這個被告但是我想請問就是說"},{"start":6266.994,"end":6290.486,"text":"我看到我們修正草案的條文就是這樣得請求詢問被告但是究竟可以詢問被告哪一些事項是可以請求的哪一些事項可以詢問是限於犯後的態度、賠償、和解還是包括犯罪被害人造成的身心的影響還有犯罪結果、再犯風險這些都可以詢問嗎"},{"start":6294.993,"end":6315.994,"text":"這個部分有關於被害人可以詢問被告的事項不包括事實認定的部分犯罪事實認定的部分因為那個部分涉及到證據調查不是苛刑的證據所以他包括他對自己的情感或者是對被告犯罪後的態度等等這些都是他的詢問範圍這個"},{"start":6320.15,"end":6328.956,"text":"這個包括對我剛剛就講還有你講的這些善後的態度包括他的包括他未來的賠償或者甚至和解的情形這也都是可以詢問的範圍對不對那包括"},{"start":6331.178,"end":6357.367,"text":"對於被害人造成的身心的一些情感上的影響那對於這個甚至對於被害結果的認知對於這個再犯風險的訊問都可以但是我認為還是應該我們未來還是要明確的請求的方向你要做你要你要這個有一個明確的範圍跟方向你才能夠這個讓這個這個"},{"start":6360.407,"end":6380.345,"text":"避免說這個未來法院準薄的標準不一因為你做這個請求到法院各法院認定不一樣你這個事實的範圍跟法院準薄的標準都沒有一個明文的依據這個部分我們應該會再注意事項做進一步的指引讓法院在裁薄的時候有所准許這個"},{"start":6383.423,"end":6411.831,"text":"這個部分我希望說這個部分我們在未來修法的部分我們要做明確的這個定義那也很巧這個去年去年的十月也就在這裡那時候我們副名長那時候還是刑事廳廳長那時候也代表司法院就來我們就是討論犯罪被害人的對不對你記得嗎那時候我們那時候討論我那時候所質詢的重點在於說有關於被害人參與"},{"start":6414.913,"end":6437.766,"text":"這個訴訟參與他對判決的結果判決的影響他是不是有採是不是有採納這個被害人的意見陳述的相關的檢索機制我們做了一些討論上次在去年委員會有特別質詢我們有跟委員說明因為我們在裁判書的製作裁判書沒有把被害人影響這個部分"},{"start":6439.587,"end":6458.381,"text":"寫在裁判書裡面 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謝謝委員指教好 謝謝沈委員那接下來我們有請賴世寶委員發言"},{"start":6665.135,"end":6672.183,"text":"謝謝主席 有請司法院的李富密署長好 請李富密委員好 富密好我先請教 國外有陪審團"},{"start":6683.157,"end":6708.023,"text":"我們是用國民法官來取代2023年上路的到目前為止國民法官是可以參與審判嗎定罪嗎是國外陪審團不是喔陪審團國外陪審團就是假的或假的然後法官決定量刑那我們的國民法官是可以參與說要判幾年是這樣子嗎"},{"start":6709.043,"end":6734.018,"text":"跟委員報告一下我們的國民法官制度主要就是參酌日本的裁判員制度我們採取的是合審合判的制度是嗎 所以他就變法官了嘛對對對 他是國民法官所以有四位國民法官 三位職業法官一起參與六位國民法官跟三位職業法官合審合判包括四十二任律 法律 辦官 量刑這些都是合在一起的"},{"start":6734.378,"end":6752.453,"text":"那這問題是國民法官有這樣的法學素養嗎他會知道說該判幾年要四年比較好 三年比較好還是幾年比較好有這樣的一個程度嗎跟委員說明一下我們在裁判員制度 國民法官制度這部分"},{"start":6753.214,"end":6775.632,"text":"我們原先也擔心說國民法官他們也自己認為說我是不是對法律的素養不值我對事實的認定不夠事實上我們希望把多元的多元的事實認定感情帶到審判案件來所以對案件應該怎麼去判我們是會提供所謂的量刑行刑給他現在到現在為止國民法官參與判的案件有幾案"},{"start":6777.796,"end":6802.992,"text":"我記得是現在已經好像一百多件了一百多件 對你們從專業角度覺得怎麼樣我覺得目前來講在好嗎 你們覺得可以接受嗎我們覺得就我自己的感覺我覺得這個制度是可以繼續走下去的繼續走下去 不需要走向美國那裡就是說我們只是決定去那裡 我去那裡然後由法官來專業認定 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正面你自己講負面的就是第一個審查門檻過嚴格第二個律師酬勞偏低大概一個案子只有3萬左右第三個假法服這個情況你要怎麼回應怎麼避免假法服特別是我現在就因為我時間關係我就不問這些了我主要跟你講外界最有意見的是什麼"},{"start":6995.08,"end":7011.968,"text":"用政府的錢幫詐欺犯打官司這個是最有意見這裡面的詐欺犯佔了將近三成 26-28%這一部分你們怎麼對外界講就是現在來講的話 別人說對我來講 我開過公聽會"},{"start":7014.591,"end":7035.689,"text":"那個老是 退休的老是被騙了夫妻被騙了一兩千萬恨死這個詐欺犯了又拿不回來開共聽會其實屬於明白表示拿不回來結果這種情況之下你們還花錢 花政府的錢去幫他打官司外界很有意見啦你很有回憶這個詐欺犯的事情"},{"start":7038.091,"end":7048.419,"text":"對於詐欺犯我先講這一點對詐欺犯提供辯護其實我們的法湖律師也是很無奈不得已的他們也不是很愛去辯這方面的但是因為什麼"},{"start":7051.511,"end":7075.817,"text":"反而我們這些的被告,詐欺的被告,幾乎大部分還無資歷呢就是你抓到的,在我們國內抓到的大部分,廁所還有一些身心障礙的,或者是說他本身就是缺錢用的,都是被詐騙集團吸收的大部分年輕人或怎麼樣結果他們被抓到的時候,一連串的,大家都查都沒有資歷"},{"start":7077.097,"end":7084.14,"text":"好啦 我就提醒你注意這個事情啦避詐欺犯 辯護外界是很有意見的啦這個市長 我一個最後的問題市長 我跟市長講一下"},{"start":7089.632,"end":7095.718,"text":"現在講讀酒駕 讀駕都家中行車現在有一個東西一個題目跑出來藥駕藥駕 吃藥的藥這裡面藥呢其實幾乎上了一定年紀以上的人幾乎都會吃藥嘛第一期是什麼降血壓的藥"},{"start":7111.954,"end":7114.495,"text":"第二級抗憂鬱藥降血糖的藥 多數人在吃第三級是危險級的才是比較屬於安眠藥這方面的法務部有沒有初步的"},{"start":7128.343,"end":7145.249,"text":"一個看法因為最近酒駕毒駕大家都討論很多但是藥駕開始討論出來的法務部的立場是什麼對藥駕跟委員報告我們的那個法條規定是說行為人士用毒品麻醉藥品或其他相類之物那就是藥駕"},{"start":7147.029,"end":7169.96,"text":"對 然後就是說如果說他的尿液跟血液檢驗達到我們行政院公告的濃度以上就會可能會構成185條之三第一項第三款的一個規定那如果說就算沒有達到公告那也要看那個個案中是不是已經造成了有具體上不能安全駕駛因為我們那個條文是重點是在不能安全駕駛我們會做實務上的一個做一個判斷"},{"start":7171.281,"end":7176.889,"text":"可是當事人可能不了解啊我感冒吃個感冒藥它裡面有含這個成分就吐洪洪塞一下就出問題就變成這樣啊我們那個就是說其他香類植物還要到那個就是血液檢驗的那個濃度的話"},{"start":7186.704,"end":7201.714,"text":"大概不會是感冒藥就達得到啦所以目前法務部還沒有準備要提案修法對於藥價把它加進來沒有目前那個其他相類之物已經可以包括在這裡所以其他的已經包括藥我覺得那一部分可以把它特別標啦比如說我們對於藥第三級的危險級"},{"start":7208.198,"end":7209.559,"text":"接下來我們有請陳冠廷委員發言"},{"start":7238.257,"end":7245.852,"text":"你好,我們請司法院跟法務部好,有請李富密還有文次長我也好"},{"start":7249.722,"end":7273.059,"text":"還有司法院法務部跟等一下再請被害人保護協會好了那我們先請教司法院跟法務部的兩位上次我質詢的時候我們有談到農貿公開制度那相關的部分除此之外我們還有書面質詢就是針對重大影響到不管是國民的安全"},{"start":7273.88,"end":7287.487,"text":"甚至是這個包含你說毒品重大暴力犯罪甚至殺人罪那還有性侵等等有沒有辦法在符合最大公義的這個狀況之下公開起容貌"},{"start":7288.496,"end":7309.516,"text":"那當然在性侵的部分它是有特別的規定但除了這個之外持有毒品或者是販賣毒品重大暴力事件殺人等等的案件在這個證據相對非常的嚴密嚴整的得到之後是否有辦法在偵查期間在符合公義的這個狀況之下"},{"start":7311.258,"end":7320.408,"text":"能夠公開這個部分還是想請教這個司法院跟法務部那你們立場跟你們覺得未來可以去修正的方向是怎麼樣"},{"start":7321.82,"end":7344.566,"text":"基本上跟委員報告 就是委員關心我們的重大犯罪的一個預防還有社會的一個這個安全防護機制那這個部分上我們都很尊重那對於特定的一個犯罪者的資訊揭露在不違背偵查不公開的一個情況之下我們會妥適的思考因為他的這個面向上 如同上次我們也跟委員這邊做報告了"},{"start":7345.066,"end":7367.776,"text":"就是說有牽涉到兼顧公共安全、偵查需求、個人隱私、名譽權還有個資保護等等的一個面向但我們會整個評估啦因為事實上在偵查不公開的一個部分之中它也不是完全一定的都完全不公開它還是在特定的情況下如果對社會的一個公共的利益或者有緊急情況之下它還是可以做適度的公開這個部分我們會跟我們的甲官說"},{"start":7368.456,"end":7370.678,"text":"市法院的看法?"},{"start":7399.137,"end":7427.195,"text":"高度嫌疑人加害人他的這個相關的資訊公開那我為什麼要強調這一點的話因為他不是只是單純的就一種案件那是跟國家的公共利益有關國民的利益有關的那包含這個暴力犯還有這個殺人還有重大的毒品犯罪者我們認為是有幫助的但是針對性侵的部分因為有被害人的這個要保護被害人的狀況之下"},{"start":7428.476,"end":7447.368,"text":"但是也要保護潛在的被害人那我們為什麼這麼講呢因為過去在之前的這個台北市的幼兒園的事件我們可以知道說他不斷的在犯案所以說在犯案當中儘管有行政上面的疑慮但是沒有人敢把他的個資來去公開甚至沒有人"},{"start":7447.928,"end":7467.109,"text":"願意把這個幼稚園當然因為要保護其他的這個小朋友來去公開導致不斷的這個家長繼續送過去那就是不斷的累犯直到直報不復活那正式的這個爆炸之後那大家才看到才開始有報導那如果我們在那之前能夠有一些相關的"},{"start":7468.447,"end":7494.082,"text":"做法處置方式的話就可以避免這樣的犯罪那幾種方式因為要顧及被害人的他的隱私這是非常重要的因為不可以讓被害人惡致傷害有沒有可能有查詢的機制守門人查詢的制度也就是說在特定的教育產業裡面我們能夠來去做查詢這一個院校裡面有沒有類似這樣子的過去有類似這樣子的"},{"start":7495.043,"end":7512.337,"text":"被投訴也好行政上面等等上面我們能夠做的這個系統也就是說他不是主動揭示而是被動揭示有查詢制度讓這個家長們可以放心這是第一點那第二個這個查詢制度也可以讓這些敏感的部門比方說跟"},{"start":7514.093,"end":7537.851,"text":"國小 國中 高中教育相關的那不管是他在直接聘僱或者是約聘僱不管是直接公務體系或者是約聘僱都有一個系統能夠讓學校第一時間就來去查詢他不是要定驗我必須要強調因為整個定驗的過程很長久他必須是有在分級的狀況下一定時期內他有得到這樣子包含級數都算"},{"start":7538.311,"end":7549.364,"text":"甚至我們可以在他在嫌疑人的分數有重大嫌疑的狀況之下都可以放出這樣子相關的制度可被查詢這個部分可不可以請司法院跟法務部來簡單來提供一下你們的意見是"},{"start":7550.559,"end":7574.147,"text":"跟委員報告一下目前有一個所謂的狼獅平台的部分叫做各教育場域不適任人員通報及查詢系統這是根據教師法跟教育人員任用條例還有所訂定出來的相關的辦法所製作的這個是提供相關的查詢那剛剛委員特別想請教提供相關查詢是提供我們叫輸入名字嗎"},{"start":7575.328,"end":7590.637,"text":"這部分的資料借鑒是由法務部跟警政署來做一些資料的借鑒由教育部來跟法務部這邊來做聯繫的我要講這件事情是因為包含這一些曾經犯過案的這些人他們如果他們意圖再犯通常還會再改名"},{"start":7591.457,"end":7614.027,"text":"所以學校它能夠因為學校它第一個是要僱用方它能夠來輸入它的 包含它的身份證這不會改變就能夠把它有這種相關的疑慮能夠把它叫出來在第一線就可以防止這樣的做法這個問題在於說它變成是說就我所知通常都是要定驗之後才有辦法納入這樣子的系統"},{"start":7615.239,"end":7636.305,"text":"可是這樣的話在漫長的審理過程當中我們擔心是有它的疑慮在所以我們需要的這個應該是說它的法定期間就是說在我們也不可以說就是把它證成為永久性的甚至它可能最後無罪定業那我們必須要把它解除這樣子的狀況所以它必須要有法定期間"},{"start":7637.745,"end":7661.415,"text":"那它有範圍 適用範圍它適用範圍裡面我們要很細部的去調整我的意思是說我們不是要無限上剛剛到用最最最民粹的方式但還是要有制度在不然我們就會有這個空窗期這個空窗期就會有很多的受害者我們現在是包含從中重大的暴力事件到我們因為我們現在主要能夠公佈的狀況之下我看還是交通處理條例的第35條規定是獨駕跟這個酒駕者"},{"start":7666.657,"end":7687.251,"text":"主要能夠公佈相關的資訊大概只有這樣但是他可能不是在毒價中他是持有大量的毒品他可能是有一些其他的這些案件我們都沒有辦法從中去得知所以這裡面的平衡為什麼我們特別有書面上面來去質詢的原因就是說我們希望有一些動能去做因為其他國家包含韓國"},{"start":7688.892,"end":7710.722,"text":"日本 美國他都是在考量這個平衡如何是在這個保護被害者跟在確保加害者得到相關的犯罪的遏止的能量這個是一個很重要的平衡點但我們如果不動的話就是維持原狀維持原狀就像我們上次看到的已經接近現行犯的在台南的那一個惡狼"},{"start":7711.522,"end":7732.5,"text":"他最後他是完全馬賽克結果旁邊的刑警看起來好像是被不認為嫌犯這個是不行的所以這些東西的平衡點我很希望說司法院跟法務部好不好拜託大家好好的來想一下怎麼個設計法要往前走一步要往前走一步如果你們擔心有什麼相關的"},{"start":7733.806,"end":7754.174,"text":"能權上面的議題那也有潛力啊它有法律的適用的時間範圍啊對不對所以這個拜託大家想一想來參考一下韓國的狀況那不然我看這個案件是很多的那家長都蒙在鼓裡那這樣是不好的特別是這個教育體系如果有這些藏污納垢的話"},{"start":7755.535,"end":7764.667,"text":"那對整個國家來講是這黑數是很多很大的那既然有黑數我們就必須要來去做防止跟遏止好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝陳委員那接下來我們有請林倩琦委員發言"},{"start":7782.079,"end":7794.952,"text":"好 謝謝我們主席翁釗緯我這邊請我們司法院今天是副秘書長 李副秘書長跟我們法務部次長馮次長委員好請兩位"},{"start":7799.677,"end":7825.916,"text":"兩位早安秘書長還有次長最近因為犯罪被害人權益保障法修正施行也三年本席想要在這邊請教有關刑事案件被害人參與不足的問題這個法很重要的核心精神是讓犯罪被害人不再只是刑事程序當中的一個旁觀者而是要能夠被看見被告知還有被支持也有一定範圍的一個參與的程序"},{"start":7828.098,"end":7849.314,"text":"那麼現行在27條雖然有明定被害人跟其家屬得救受刑人假釋審查陳述意見但是在第三項卻排除了少年刑事案件的適用那也就是說只要加害人是未成年人那麼被害人及其家屬在後續的假釋過程當中就可能完全沒有陳述意見的機會"},{"start":7850.635,"end":7868.129,"text":"所以也就沒有辦法來掌握假釋的一些重要資訊所以在新北戈井案的這個例子當中呢那被害人的家屬沉痛的表示因為家害人沒有成年那未來假釋的過程當中他們會被完全排除在外所以沒有辦法"},{"start":7868.949,"end":7893.655,"text":"得知加害人何時可能出獄更難以提前做出安全跟心理上的準備本席認為這個部分很重要的所以請教兩位那麼司法院我們就先就司法院的這個部分在第十屆第五會期的本委第十四次的會議當中那我們刑事廳廳長曾經表示過為了避免據司法標籤"},{"start":7895.575,"end":7908.59,"text":"效應資訊之介入以免導致少年來承受不當的壓力因此目前少年刑事案件的相關資訊也包括少年受刑人提報的假釋審查"},{"start":7910.712,"end":7926.664,"text":"以與一般刑事案件等同處理那麼本席當然理解啦對於少年保護還有避免標籤化協助少年來回歸社會是這個法跟制度很重要的一個價值但是是不是可以做一些調和的折衷"},{"start":7927.324,"end":7946.982,"text":"尤其是在重大的這個暴力犯罪那致死或重傷的案件當中被害人的這個家屬要求的只是在加害人可能假釋或出監之前能夠有最低限度的知情陳述跟一些安全的準備的機會喔那本席這邊來請教司法院那麼避免少年標籤化"},{"start":7948.703,"end":7971.174,"text":"是否必然等同完全排除被害人參與假釋的這個程序還是司法院可以思考一下來重新做一個思考那透過去識別化或分級的通知重大案件例外那麼保密的義務跟有限的書面陳述等方式在少年保護跟被害人權益當中可以更細緻的做一個平衡"},{"start":7972.074,"end":7993.622,"text":"秘書長這邊是不是可以說明一下司法院現在仍然認為少年刑事案件當中假釋資訊不宜提供被害人任何參與或知情的機制還是說司法院也可以跟法務部一同來研議在不造成少年會被標籤化效應的前提下來讓重大刑事案件"},{"start":7997.623,"end":8021.191,"text":"重大少年刑事案件被害人家屬享有有限度的知情陳述與安全保護的這個機制那司法院的看法那跟委員說明一下有關於犯罪被害人權依保障法二七條的修正這個部分那還有包括他實行性的修正那我們跟法務部這邊在七月九號預計在下這禮拜四會進行一個"},{"start":8024.552,"end":8051.948,"text":"協商會議 研修會議那我會把委員的意見帶進來那這部分我們是蠻認同委員剛剛的一些說明是不是要做適度的調整那次長剛好是個主持人要不要表示一下意見是 接下來我們也會跟次長做一個就教啦這樣謝謝那個我們司法院願意把本席剛才所陳述的這個部分也做一個考量然後至少在會議裡面可以做一個討論那麼法務部這邊本席要請教的是那假設的審查跟"},{"start":8053.069,"end":8065.707,"text":"矯正的執行是你們的全責那次長在這邊法務部是不是認為你們對於現行27條第三項一概排除少年刑事案件是否還合理那還是你們可以啟動這個檢討來針對重大的"},{"start":8068.311,"end":8093.125,"text":"至少重大的少年刑事案件然後建立被害人或家屬有限度的參與這個假釋審查的這個機制或者是可以用什麼樣子的方式讓至少被害的相關人可以對於本身自身的安全可以有一些預知或不要在這種恐懼當中無知的恐懼當中不知道訊息的一個恐懼當中"},{"start":8093.925,"end":8115.499,"text":"是 剛剛委員報告就是主要因為當時在那個刪除犯罪被害保護人權益保障法第27條第三項這個部分是因為我們有少年事件的一個保護的一個原則剛剛委員有提到那在這一個部分上我們是不是說針對重大的少年刑事案件然後訂定強化被害人及家屬的假釋的參與這些相關規定"},{"start":8117.14,"end":8141.749,"text":"我們在已經邀請了司法院在7月9號我們就會去做一個討論那這個部分上委員的意見我們也會把它列入其中那跟委員報告就是說現行啊現行的做法上如果在不違反這個現行的少年事件處理法的規定的前提之下被害人的家屬他們對於少年的受刑人的假釋如果有陳述意見的一個需求事實上就是說"},{"start":8142.549,"end":8170.621,"text":"雖然他們不能知道執行的進度但他也可以隨時或者是透過我們飯堡協會的協助以書面跟陳情的方式向繳證署或繳證機關來表達相關的意見我們也會納入做參考就是說雖然法條上現在的狀況上是沒有辦法做一個這樣的一個表示意見但實務上我們的做法上我們都還是比較有一點就是說他們如果向我們繳證機關表示我們也會納入我們的一個審桌"},{"start":8171.562,"end":8190.739,"text":"謝謝我們知道在食物跟制度方面當然會有一些在這個區間裡面沒有辦法處理的但是我想如果能夠把它制度化然後法制化然後讓被害人及其家屬在一個安心的狀態下我想這也是至少保持大家的一個平衡"},{"start":8191.42,"end":8214.199,"text":"那希望你們在7月9號可以就兩方面你們兩個部會的這個直思然後做實務上然後跟制度面上的一個討論那希望能夠更積極的來處理這個被害人與被害人的這個家屬這種恐懼的這個問題那還有相關的這個結果是不是在可以的情況下再讓本席的研究室做一個參考"},{"start":8215.64,"end":8235.766,"text":"好 那接下來我們也是還是兩個我們就接下來是法務部是不是我們司法院可以先回座那這個部分本席要針對這個犯罪被害補償金請求的實教跟障礙問題來就教那也就是說目前在法務部預告的犯罪被害人權益保障法"},{"start":8236.326,"end":8256.817,"text":"修正草案的63條這個部分本席原則上支持因為內容上也針對許多被害人特別是性侵、家暴還有賬戶關係還有監護的關係或權力不對等的一個關係當中會因為恐懼、創傷、羞愧自責被控制或者是被威脅長期沒有辦法來揭露犯罪事實"},{"start":8257.677,"end":8282.849,"text":"那麼難以在原本時效內來提出犯罪被害補償金的申請我想這也是你們這次要增訂障礙事由最主要的一個原因你們這個障礙事由讓這些被害人能夠在首次向檢警陳述犯罪的被害事實當中還有一年可以提出申請那方向上當然也是與時俱進但是本席認為"},{"start":8283.909,"end":8307.563,"text":"現在草案的63條的第三項是不是還有點不足啦也就是說草案寫的是請求全人在前二項時效期間完成前一年內有障礙事由之一以至於未能提出申請者才適用延長規定那麼為什麼要限縮在時效完成前的一年內呢"},{"start":8308.604,"end":8329.683,"text":"那這個真正的判斷是不是應該是不是障礙事由是不是在時效完成前一年而是這個障礙事由有沒有實際造成被害人沒有辦法提出申請我們舉例啦就是說有些被害人長期受到加害人的控制或者因為性侵的這個創傷恐懼報復多年沒有辦法揭露"},{"start":8330.143,"end":8353.22,"text":"那這整個問題的核心是在這個障礙是不是導致他沒有辦法申請但是你們在法條內如果又增加一個時效完成前的一年這樣一個限制是不是會讓原本想要保護的延遲接入被害人又被這樣一個技術性排除所以本席認為說條文本身已經寫了至未能提出申請"},{"start":8353.96,"end":8369.824,"text":"那就已經有因果關係可以判斷請求權也需要來解釋障礙的適由所以重點是不是可以放在障礙適由的存在是不是因此而無法造成申請而不是用形式上的時間點來限制"},{"start":8372.185,"end":8389.589,"text":"所以有沒有機會重新檢討這個63條的第三項於前二項實效時間內完成前的一年內那這個文字是不是這樣一個限制似乎跟原先的核心的問題產生了一些技術性的限制呢"},{"start":8390.049,"end":8407.973,"text":"跟委員報告 委員剛剛講的一個部分 其實也是我們這一次7月9號跨部會研商的會議中的一個點那這個部分上我們會託為研議以後 也一樣會在同一個狀況之中跟委員做報告就是說我們會跟這個四百元各部會去做協商以後再做報告"},{"start":8408.612,"end":8425.737,"text":"好的 謝謝所以重點就是說我們不要在這個時間形式上給予變成多了一個限制結果反倒是稀釋掉我們原先對於這個障礙本身的核心問題結果沒有辦法處理所以最主要就是這樣我們會注意這個部分他再做一個充分的討論"},{"start":8426.397,"end":8444.605,"text":"好我們最主要就是讓整個被害的補償制度能夠回到申請重檢然後審議重訴然後核發從優的一個精神好不好好謝謝那最後我這邊要請教一下謝謝那個次長您請回那個法輔基金會"},{"start":8446.185,"end":8467.357,"text":"我們是董事長嗎莊董事長好 謝謝本期這邊要請教跟原住民律師這個培真有關的這個問題那基本上刑事訴訟法來保障具原住民身份的被告或犯罪嫌疑人在偵查當中呢如果沒有選任辯護人的時候檢察官司法警察或者是"},{"start":8468.557,"end":8484.37,"text":"司法警察應該要通知法服來派律師到場那就是避免原住民族人在語言文化跟法律知識還有偵查陳訊當中的這個不熟悉而處在不利的這個地位來落實原住民族的"},{"start":8485.611,"end":8509.267,"text":"訴訟權益的這個保障但是本席這邊注意到原住民律師陪針的這個專案已經推動很多年但是呢當事人表示不需要陪同的比例還是非常的高所以112年跟111到112年原住民的律師陪針的專案當中那當事人表示不需要律師陪同的比例都超過九成這個數字是不是應該我們要警惕一下"},{"start":8509.867,"end":8529.324,"text":"也就是說當事人當然可以自由來決定是不是有律師來陪偵但問題這個放棄到底是不是充分知情後的一個自願放棄那麼如果族人只是因為不知道是不是律師是免費的或者是不理解陪偵的這個功能如果案情簡單 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還在請教次長"},{"start":9218.638,"end":9231.167,"text":"市長接下來要請教您有關這個毒價的案子那因為現在的這個毒價當然這個很猖狂嘛所以說我們也擺一坨米紙這個已經也經過讀審會的審查已經列為一級毒品但現在有一個狀況就是根據刑事局114年11月到115年3月的這個毒價統計檢查出"},{"start":9243.049,"end":9258.187,"text":"安非他命占70.06%K他命高达21.88%那都超过依托米指的16.73%但请问一下现在的这个K他命的在这个毒品危害防治条例的分级下是属于第几级"},{"start":9261.249,"end":9273.292,"text":"是第三級那其實它的嚴重性比依托彌哲還高目前獨家的比例那它才只是第三級的這種行政罰就是罰還跟獎席這會不會讓這個我們真正在緝毒的第一線的這些員警在執行上"},{"start":9279.194,"end":9299.433,"text":"陷入很巨大的這個無力感跟這個嚇阻的一個困境那尤其是我們在這個全國在全力防治這個獨駕的時候啊施行率第二高的K他命在法律上還只是行政法那這是不是也在現行的獨駕的制度當中最致命的一個法律漏洞呢"},{"start":9303.015,"end":9319.344,"text":"毒品危害防治條例的第三條第三條還有這個規定上他毒品的分級的品項是由毒品審議委員會依照他的成癮性濫用性跟對社會的一個危害性所以他不單單是說看那個比例因為他的那個要看造勢"},{"start":9320.064,"end":9336.652,"text":"的一個真正的一個狀況那我們那個伊托米子在那個嚴重的情況上獨省會這邊已經把它調到第一級那至於說安非他命的部分目前還是在第二級然後那個就是這個凱拉命是第三級那這個部分上這個是不是說"},{"start":9338.233,"end":9351.364,"text":"適用第三級跟第四級的這個再犯是否要入罪的這個部分我們會審慎評估整個刑事政策跟司法醫療的一個配置那請問法務部是不是有曾經正式提請獨審會來檢討Catamin分級或再犯的處遇"},{"start":9354.676,"end":9371.913,"text":"其實那個每次在開會的時候都會整體性的一個討論說有沒有要調整啦那每三個月會調整那所以最近的一次的獨審會有針對K他名的分級或在犯的處遇有進行這個檢討嗎最近的部分是應該我的理解因為我沒有在開會的那個會議之中"},{"start":9374.615,"end":9391.206,"text":"我的理解是沒有特別去針對安非他命跟K他命的部分來去做級別上因為現在看起來安非他命跟K他命尤其是K他命因為他只有行政罰而已所以說可能如果是因為獨駕事件而造成的這個人民的損害的話他卻只需要罰還跟講習這樣子的一個狀況"},{"start":9394.919,"end":9422.655,"text":"對 那個 跟委員報告就是先講那個那個Catamin的 先講Amphetamine的部分Amphetamine它類似像是興奮劑啦然後這個伊托米茲它是屬於大型動物的一個麻醉劑所以它兩個產生的一個效果造勢的一個狀況它對社會的一個危害它有點不太一樣Amphetamine主要它是吸的是用來提神之用的那當然這個部分上 委員提到的第三級Catamin這是不是要再調整那這個部分上我們也會把委員的意見"},{"start":9423.195,"end":9431.284,"text":"再帶回我們獨省會這邊請委員們再來評估一下是不是應該這樣子部分也要予以提高那這部分我們會再請我們的這個參與那個會議的同仁再跟委員們提出討論我想這個部分可能要請法務部來好好的這個"},{"start":9439.293,"end":9457.228,"text":"提交給這個獨審會來去審查因為既然它是屬於目前的話是屬於第二就是它的這個獨家的統計高達百分之二十一點八八表示它也有相當的一個危害性那當然我們也希望當然我們現在就是也有聽到的就是說法務部一直"},{"start":9457.748,"end":9479.779,"text":"不敢這個把K他命升級為第二級的毒品的話因為其實很多基層跟這個社會各界希望這麼做那法務部一直遲遲不肯升級就是唯一的顧慮就是怕這個監獄人滿為犯啦人滿為患啦所以在法務部的這個考量之下是不是真的有這樣子的一個狀況然後不用考量用戶人的安全嗎"},{"start":9480.85,"end":9503.687,"text":"當然我們一定是會考慮用路人的安全因為事實上那兩個是不同層次的問題第一犯罪該依法執行就該執行至於說我們怎麼樣去幫助我們的矯正署把人員或者是資源的部分再來爭取的話那是另外一個層次的問題那這個部分到時候也會如果真的有這樣的需要我想委員們也都會支持所以這東西倒不是我們考量的主因"},{"start":9504.127,"end":9532.818,"text":"好 那現在在短期內不曉得到底會不會升級啦所以說我們這邊也接到一些這個第一線員警的澄清喔他們強烈的建議要修正毒品危害防治條例增訂三級毒品使用者在一定的時間內再犯可以行責並引進觀察勒解那法務部的看法呢我們這個部分會配合整體的行政的政策司法醫療配置的部分去做通盤的一個考量啦"},{"start":9533.444,"end":9554.946,"text":"那您現在請教一下次長針對這個部分您覺得是不是除了當然就是說除了通盤的考量以這樣看起來的話是安非他命的狀況也法律上的那個就是修正他有他的一個嚴謹性跟全面性我不敢說在這邊直接說可以或不可以但是這樣的一個思考的部分是我們會帶回去做一個研究的"},{"start":9555.492,"end":9566.164,"text":"好 那請次長要把這個部分要好好的研究清楚那另外 部長請回另外再請教一下我們的這個法福基金會的董事長"},{"start":9573.003,"end":9590.249,"text":"董事長這個媒體有披露新北市的清水派出所的所長劉中興遭獨駕惡性衝撞殉職一審判處死刑結果案件上訴二審法服就派了高達三名的律師組成了豪華的律師團為被告辯護"},{"start":9592.25,"end":9614.842,"text":"那法服在這種大手筆的支援惡性殺人被告時有沒有依據法服的第17條落實審查其資歷及非險無理由我想當然都這種強制辯護案子而且是國民法官案件"},{"start":9615.475,"end":9629.703,"text":"原本就是法湖一個很重大的案件派出的律師也一定要是非常優秀尤其是國民法官的案子在一省的國民法官案件它本來就是我們"},{"start":9630.723,"end":9657.172,"text":"高規格去重視的可是你現在幫忙辯護的是這個獨駕撞死我們的這個劉中興所長的這樣子的一個案件那這樣會不會就是法服感覺上就是盲目的就是利用國家的資源不計代價的然後去為這個被害人沒有 應該是為加害人來辯護呢事實上是這樣所以我覺得這個部分一定要好好的來檢討我知道"},{"start":9658.392,"end":9676.816,"text":"觀感看大家會覺得說為什麼到了二審因為你在一審的時候國民法官案子他本來就是需要我們法湖出律師那到了二審為什麼真正會跑出三名的律師原因是因為這個獨家判處在判處死刑的死刑案件了"},{"start":9677.724,"end":9703.498,"text":"對這些我們有幾位話 董事長其實我想現在大家關心的是就是說法服每年拿司法院15億的預算結果呢針對這種殘忍殺警的獨家的兇手為了規避死刑你們要派出三名的律師去幫他辯護然後去讓被害者家屬被害者家屬要自己請律師而且還要遭受到這樣痛苦的一個打擊喔那所以以這樣子的"},{"start":9704.218,"end":9720.834,"text":"我知道剛剛董事長講的就是依法行事嘛但是事實上這樣子的一個這個案件是不是一定要這樣的方式來處理呢那如果在這樣子的一個狀況之下這比納稅人的血汗錢用在這個地方事實上我想大家都沒有辦法接受"},{"start":9723.027,"end":9745.059,"text":"請董事長回答因為尤其是這個華湖律師裡面我知道好像就是所謂豪華團應該是說這裡面有幾位知名的律師那他們是就是因為這樣才讓大家覺得真的不可思議啊就是我們被這個因為英勇殉職的這個所長因為被獨駕的這個"},{"start":9747.564,"end":9773.172,"text":"這個案件則殉職結果我們卻派出了三名非常就剛剛講有高知名度的優秀的律師為他辯護那這樣說實在被害人的家屬被害人他們的權益何在所以針對這個部分我想時間的關係我覺得要好好的來去檢討就是國家的資源是不是失衡未來針對這樣的案件我們應該是要怎麼樣來去處理"},{"start":9774.372,"end":9789.648,"text":"不能只因為當然就是因為強制辯護的關係所以就用這樣子的方式我想這不是民眾能夠接受的我也說一下知名的律師也不是我們正在找的時候他就自己跳出來了他覺得這件事他一定要為這一件案子他必須要來"},{"start":9790.427,"end":9809.562,"text":"在法庭上表達這個辯護的意見應該是這樣的董事長您覺得一般的人能夠接受我們將心比心如果發生在自己身上的話你有辦法接受嗎我想時間的關係所以在這邊我請董事長要好好的來去檢驗一下就國家的資源是不是失衡謝謝"},{"start":9812.076,"end":9825.446,"text":"好 謝謝徐委員我們先做會議程序的宣告那麼這剛剛已經和那個林培祥委員有溝通過了我們現在先休息五分鐘因為這個11點多然後讓大家可以先去上個洗手間然後待會再繼續進行我們的會議"},{"start":9872.014,"end":9872.034,"text":"醬汁"},{"start":9915.998,"end":9919.582,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":9947.412,"end":9974.808,"text":"起来起来起来"},{"start":9983.019,"end":9983.039,"text":"醬汁"},{"start":10021.972,"end":10032.196,"text":"謝謝大家謝謝大家"},{"start":10054.94,"end":10082.534,"text":"謝謝觀賞"},{"start":10096.374,"end":10096.955,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":10136.278,"end":10148.502,"text":"我們現在繼續開會秘書長 次長 董事長 執行長都到了我們接下來有請林沛翔委員發言"},{"start":10162.506,"end":10169.804,"text":"好 謝謝主席主席 各位列席官員跟在場的委員 大家好"},{"start":10171.345,"end":10198.917,"text":"根據統計我國每年有數十萬件的刑事案件發生但是真正能獲得完整法律服法律協助的犯罪被害人比例卻遠低於想像以近年重大刑案為例不少被害人家屬是在案件發生之後第一時間面對的不是制度的支持而是資訊不足程序陌生跟經濟壓力的三重打擊"},{"start":10200.097,"end":10223.587,"text":"有些家屬必須要變賣家產發起募款才能聘請律師參與訴訟同一時間加害人卻已經在制度保障之下迅速獲得辯護資源這樣的落差不只是制度問題更是對公平正義的最直接衝擊今天我們談的是犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度"},{"start":10225.632,"end":10253.282,"text":"老實說每次談到這個題目本席的心情都相當沉重因為司法存在的目的是為了要維護公平正義但是很多犯罪被害人真實感受到的是案子一發生家壞人很快就有律師有制度有程序保障被害人跟家屬卻往往缺乏及時而且完整的支持這難道不是一件最諷刺的事情嗎"},{"start":10254.554,"end":10280.399,"text":"在這邊先說本席不是反對保障被告人的人權程序正義本來就是民主法治國家的核心價值但是當資源跟制度長期傾斜的時候正義就會失去平衡所以第一我要請教司法院跟法輔基金會好有請副秘書長還有法輔董事長"},{"start":10282.922,"end":10306.514,"text":"法福基金會一年拿政府將近15億的預算都是人民的納稅錢其中真正有用在犯罪被害人及家屬身上的法律輔助到底有多少又有多少是用在刑事被告加害人的辯護身上請回答法福基金會在保障被害人方面"},{"start":10308.14,"end":10325.864,"text":"我們看起來好像跟被告的比例差很多 那主要是因為我們想知道到底金額 兩邊的金額跟比例是多少金額 就是糊住在被害人上面的金額沒有所謂金額 是比例案件數而已 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只是15就規定到多數訴訟參與人得由其中選定一人或數人代表全體或一部訴訟參與人參與訴訟這個是觀測到訴訟程序的進行跟簡化如果有100個訴訟參與人每個人都進到法庭來那個訴訟程序會非常的冗長"},{"start":11128.05,"end":11155.455,"text":"所以希望能夠透過所謂的選定或是選任代表人進到訴訟進到法庭來代表訴訟參與人來做一些必要的陳述跟意見的表達是用這樣的方式來解決我了解在455條這45雖然有剛剛您說的那個制度可是因為被這個目前的代表人制度是否足以應付這個複雜的大量的被害案件呢因為大家可能期待的其實是不太一樣訴求也不太一樣"},{"start":11156.195,"end":11177.553,"text":"那這個部分有嚴重分歧的時候法院跟代理律師之間又要如何處理呢就目前為止目前還沒有發生這種大量參與人要參與訴訟的情形也許在未來的實務上發展或遇到的時候我們再做進一步來做處理但是我們會在業務廳這邊我們會做一些預判跟一些指引的聯繫"},{"start":11178.479,"end":11200.036,"text":"好了那這邊我想要就是說因為其實希望就是說我們的司法院是不是可以來去了解一下其他國家如何去做這樣子的一個平衡因為其實也有人在喊說一定要開放參與全部都要通通參與可是食物上面剛剛也說得非常清楚會造成一些問題"},{"start":11201.537,"end":11217.743,"text":"那好像據說日本也有讓大家可以開放訴訟參與的這個制度是不是可以來簡單回應一下這個制度如果實行在台灣可能會遇到什麼樣子的問題在訴訟參與的部分我們現在是有框定一定的罪名才可以參與事實上德國也是類似的立法例"},{"start":11218.863,"end":11236.261,"text":"全面性的開放 可能到人訴訟法院的訴訟程序的研製研討這部分 恐怕我們還是從小規模的特定的案件 這侵害法律比較特別嚴重的這部分 包括人身自由 生命 身體這部分的案件 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這個議題事實上在社會的變遷對少年的保護是不是要做政策上的一些調整的確是值得討論的因為少年犯罪目前來講可能有二字化或特別的情形那是不是有大部分的人有認為說是對少年的保護是保護過度那是不是要做政策性的調整的確我們需要做進一步的研析跟探討"},{"start":11385.389,"end":11407.25,"text":"我們在少年事件處理法 少年事件案件的部分的參與 訴訟參與的部分在舊的法條原則上 現行法原則上是排除的那也為了呼應外界對這邊所謂的少年刑事案件 也就是相關重大案件被害人的需求跟他們希望的意見表達 在訴訟上被看價 被理解"},{"start":11407.87,"end":11435.431,"text":"所以我們責定了 這個是政策上的責定也許我們可以在不妨礙少年的最佳利益跟教育目的之下我們開放是故意犯罪是有死亡或者是重傷是結果的案件讓他進來讓他被害人有參與訴訟的機會我想這個可能還是要具體考量到因為這個判斷標準其實是非常重要的所以是不是可以具體的考量少年的年齡這個部分我們在修法之後我們會做一些相關的指引"},{"start":11435.771,"end":11453.659,"text":"好 這個要非常的明確那再來就是說草案的第65條之二呢獲准參與程序的被害人呢不得進行交付結問我認為這裡必須要說清楚啦這不是削弱被害人的權益啦 對不對這個是要說清楚的啦"},{"start":11454.219,"end":11483.022,"text":"相反的就是說被害人應該要被聽見被支持而不是我自己會認為就是說因為每個被害人的樣態狀態也非常的不一所以是不是真的一定要站上第一線我認為這邊可能還要審慎的考量因為有些時候他可能這個巨大的傷痛他可能希望是由交給其他人來代理來處理所以直接和照年進行一個這樣子的結問這可能是程序上的一個另外的傷害這個有可能"},{"start":11483.962,"end":11499.055,"text":"所以這段時間社會對於少年事件被害人的痛苦跟權益都有相當強烈的主張那也才是促成我們這次修法的一個機緣那我想這樣子的聲音我們必須要審慎"},{"start":11500.996,"end":11515.582,"text":"嚴肅的來面對被害人的表意權程序的參與權被告知權被陪判與支持的權利我們都要在制度上面真正的去落實那但是呢我還是要提醒就是說少年的司法改革呢其實是要同時回應"},{"start":11516.782,"end":11536.599,"text":"這個被害人權益公共安全 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市長你們都是這位剛才訂的人你們這個案子如果到你們手上的話以我這個"},{"start":12014.306,"end":12032.293,"text":"三十年律師經驗的人來看我就知道不尋常第一個這三家根本就不是被害者這三家跟中聯一樣都是加害者他們理論上任何一家工廠知道第一件事情"},{"start":12033.632,"end":12037.053,"text":"一定是停止製造 要求嚴重喔 為什麼超過四倍你要停止製造嘛 那第二個你就趕快去收回嘛那再來馬上 其實第一件事要做的 趕快通報 這是他的義務啊這是我們食品 我們食安法裡面規定得非常清楚的啊 那趕快去回收啊"},{"start":12054.72,"end":12082.819,"text":"四月份蘭橋有一場超標試備到6月30號你們不覺得很奇怪嗎我為什麼說光台中地檢署不夠因為這些東西涉及到各個倉庫裡面各個分廠裡面他要去大型倉儲要去配送你再把它查下去的話我今天早上一直在想這個問題所以奇怪哪有可能將近三個月的時間你們這些董事會的人全部都不知道"},{"start":12084.199,"end":12091.601,"text":"後來讓我想通了 我覺得很奇怪為什麼呢 因為他在6月24號改選董監事如果6月24號改選董監事的話我當然這個訊息會不會影響到董監的改選我先給你看看好不好我不相信這件事情 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市長我覺得我在這個地方這個質詢很合理啦民眾有這個來講的話標準有資的權利嘛這三個月到底在幹什麼這三個月為什麼會把這個訊息把它掩蓋起來"},{"start":12489.659,"end":12513.958,"text":"到底發生了什麼事讓台灣2300萬的人陷入這樣嚴重的一個食安致癌的一個危機不尋常啦整個契約變更去改變美國豆改成巴西豆這你的自由你可以講出很多的一個理由但是這三大股東他不是路人甲他們也不是受害者"},{"start":12514.929,"end":12540.788,"text":"董事長就是三大股東之一董建市大家都有派駐這樣的一個重大的變更他們不可能不知情然後你中聯知道以後知道藍橋跟你市井以後代表三大股東全部都知道那全部都知道為什麼四月知道到六月底的時候才要來通報按照食安法的規定你本來知道以後就要停止生產跟回收他都沒有"},{"start":12542.329,"end":12568.628,"text":"繼續做 繼續賣 可惡的地方在這裡啊所以我要求法務部 你就必須要給消費者的後盾儘速 我不要給你定期 儘速給消費者 給全國人民一個交代好不好合理嘛 阿米教育林個案啦嘛 總是事實要去做一個這個涉及到民眾健康權益的問題嘛好不好 這一題 給大家看一看好不好 謝謝好 謝謝莊召偉"},{"start":12572.858,"end":12596.071,"text":"好 那麼接下來有請范雲委員謝謝莊委有請司法院的代表跟法務部的次長有請李富密還有馮次長好 范雲委員好"},{"start":12597.977,"end":12622.418,"text":"兩位好 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我們的犯罪被害保護的協會裡面在針對這一個部分有事而哨的部分我們會有專人去跟他說明我們的手冊這也要去接觸犯罪被害人犯保協會的相關當事人嘛對不對對當然就是說如果我們知道的這樣的一個情況的話我們會去做一個專門專我們的專人的說明那如果說是個案上的這一個部分上的話我們盡量寫的就是讓比較能夠"},{"start":12895.556,"end":12908.911,"text":"但是目前找到的文字資料其實還並沒有辦法讓兒少了解那兩位知不知道聯合國有相關的就是給兒少的被害人的準則兩位有看過嗎"},{"start":12910.393,"end":12920.783,"text":"我先請問那個司法院的副秘書長您有沒有看過因為我很抱歉原先我不是少家庭的這部分大概我比較沒有涉獵我必須承認這部分比較沒有涉獵那那個法務部次長馮次長有看過嗎"},{"start":12925.587,"end":12940.658,"text":"沒有看過所以讓兩位看一下聯合國其實有針對兒童被害人和證人刑事司法準則有寫這幾個東西第一個每個兒童都應該被當成是有個人需求意願跟感受的獨立個體對待"},{"start":12942.219,"end":12970.199,"text":"第二个儿童被害人和证人他们的家长或监护人及法律代理人从首次接触司法程序起在整个过程中都应当被及时而充分的告知相关资讯第三个专业人员应尽一切努力促使儿童被害人和证人能够就其参与司法程序表达意见与关切我们今天是不是都在讲参与司法程序的权益"},{"start":12971.239,"end":12995.296,"text":"所以這三者其實以我們現在所做到的連被害人的權益都還沒辦法完整的保障更遑論其中的兒少被害人所以我今天想要給你們看的是你可以看到聯合國右邊的是兒童被害人和證人刑事司法準則的一讀版"},{"start":12996.297,"end":13010.695,"text":"這裡面還有就是圖畫然後寫的這個英文的白話文對了解英文母語的人其實就相當的比較容易了因為我們今天如果完全委託他的代理人或者是家長"},{"start":13011.596,"end":13037.061,"text":"家長未必會告知他權益啊你在右邊講You have the right to be 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因為我們覺得說這個確實如果讓兒童有資的權利被尊重這也是一個我們應該去做的事情就以我剛剛所給你看到的衛福部的統計就是2021年到2025年就超過上萬個未成年他是受害人"},{"start":13058.438,"end":13083.288,"text":"所以數字並不是很少最近有一個很好的例子剛剛講到那個邵家家事事件法已經開始逐步實踐了因為兒少當事人的知情及參與是被保障的我覺得有一個正面的例子高雄邵家院判決一對夫妻離婚法官就特別寫信向孩子說明判決的結果"},{"start":13084.428,"end":13085.369,"text":"那這是一個很好的例子"},{"start":13101.408,"end":13120.376,"text":"那這部分所以司法院這邊是不是可以以這樣的例子我想不是每個法院法官都會做這樣的事情但是已經有法官能夠細緻這樣處理了是不是能夠把這樣的例子好好的推廣呢這個司法院代表可以回應一下嗎"},{"start":13120.996,"end":13139.174,"text":"是有關於易讀版的一些權利告知的通知書這部分這部分我們回去找業務廳來做研議把這相關的讓小朋友看得懂的文字包括注音符號把它上上去讓他了解他的權利在哪裡怎麼去行使他的權利"},{"start":13139.915,"end":13163.183,"text":"事實上在兒少法的36條之一已經有把相關的權利告知書送資訊獲知的相關權利都已經講得很清楚我們在開庭也都有一些相關的權利告知書的送達但是易讀版的部分的確是我們應該在做精進的像這個法官這麼努力的人比例有多少不知道那個副秘書長知道嗎"},{"start":13164.921,"end":13190.1,"text":"我真的不知道但是我覺得我非常佩服這位法官的用心這的確是我們應該要努力的方向因為所有的判決尤其這個孩子也是相關當事人有關於他的就是跟爸爸會面交往的時間比例各方面我想這也是他的基本權益那我希望就是希望能夠每個法官都能夠做到這樣不過這個需要制度的鼓勵"},{"start":13192.622,"end":13211.52,"text":"最後看起來兩位都認同兒少被害人更需要代理人協助現行的法規講到法服是法務部管對不對法服是司法院司法院有沒有特別保障未成年被害人禁用法服資源呢"},{"start":13213.49,"end":13237.24,"text":"我們是不是請法輔董事長有來請法輔董事長好未成年的被害人今天大家都聚焦被害人那我特別要提出未成年被害人我非常認同這個換委員剛才提到的未成年的被害人在這個法律輔助這方面也是我們的目標"},{"start":13238.14,"end":13266.467,"text":"我們的對象那要怎麼樣能夠真正的了解孩子然後知道他的需求你剛剛提到的在20年前20 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