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那麼今天我們本案的主條就已經處理完畢"},{"start":13307.74,"end":13309.74,"text":"那本席做以下的宣告"},{"start":13309.74,"end":13311.74,"text":"第一就是本案審查玩具"},{"start":13311.74,"end":13314.74,"text":"擬具審查報告提請院會公決"},{"start":13314.74,"end":13318.74,"text":"第二就是本案是否需要交付黨團協商"},{"start":13321.27,"end":13322.27,"text":"是需要嗎"},{"start":13322.27,"end":13323.27,"text":"需要"},{"start":13323.27,"end":13325.27,"text":"對 那本案就交付黨團協商"},{"start":13325.27,"end":13329.27,"text":"那院會討論的時候就由本席來出席說明"},{"start":13329.27,"end":13333.27,"text":"那麼條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語"},{"start":13333.27,"end":13337.27,"text":"我們就授權主席以及議事人員來整理"},{"start":13337.27,"end":13339.27,"text":"不知道大家對這部分有沒有意見"},{"start":13339.27,"end":13340.27,"text":"沒有"},{"start":13340.27,"end":13341.27,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":13342.28,"end":13345.28,"text":"好的 那麼今天非常謝謝各位委員的這個協助"},{"start":13345.28,"end":13347.28,"text":"那本日的議程討論事項都已經處理完畢"},{"start":13347.28,"end":13348.28,"text":"就進行到此"},{"start":13348.28,"end":13350.28,"text":"那明天上午9點鐘我們就繼續開會"},{"start":13350.28,"end":13352.28,"text":"好 所以現在休息 謝謝大家"},{"start":13353.99,"end":13355.99,"text":"市長 聽長"},{"start":13355.99,"end":13357.99,"text":"還有謝謝各位委員的幫忙"},{"start":13358.64,"end":13359.64,"text":"謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}