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是以民眾黨邱慧洳委員所提\n供的，是不是可以看螢幕上面？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:42.381902+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:44.070552+08:00","text":"我們是建議做這樣的修正，我稍微唸一下：「第七十二條醫療\n機構及其人員不得有下列行為：一、無故洩漏因業務而知悉或持有病人病情或健康資訊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:44.070552+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:45.759202+08:00","text":"二、\n違反中央主管機關所定醫療機構內醫療隱私維護準則。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:45.759202+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:47.447853+08:00","text":"」我們用「準則」，因為希望提升到法\n律位階；「三、無故利用工具或設備窺視、竊聽病人非公開之醫療與疾病資料或身體隱私部位\n。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:47.447853+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:49.136503+08:00","text":"四、無故以錄音、照相、錄影或電磁紀錄竊錄病人非公開之醫療與疾病資料或身體隱私部位\n。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:49.136503+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:50.825153+08:00","text":"五、意圖營利供給場所、工具或設備，便利他人為前二款之行為。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:50.825153+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:52.513804+08:00","text":"六、意圖散布、播送、販\n賣而有第四款之行為。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:52.513804+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:54.202454+08:00","text":"」在這個地方把民眾黨原本提案內容做了更具體的微調。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:54.202454+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:55.891104+08:00","text":"第七款是我們\n新增的，因為如果有製造、散播、播送或販賣前三款竊錄之內容的話，我們也覺得是醫療機構\n及其人員不得有的行為。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:55.891104+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:57.579755+08:00","text":"也因為這樣，在前一次委員會的討論，希望把我們原本行政命令、行政指導的部分提高到法\n律的位階。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:57.579755+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:33:59.268405+08:00","text":"所以我們在這一條第二項的部分有了，就是「前項第二款準則之內容，應包括下列","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:33:59.268405+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:00.957055+08:00","text":"一、醫療機構隱私維護應具備之環境及軟、硬體設施、設備。","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:00.957055+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:02.645706+08:00","text":"二、人員執行隱私維護應\n注意事項及教育訓練。","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:02.645706+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:04.334356+08:00","text":"三、公共空間監視錄影之規範。","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:04.334356+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:06.023006+08:00","text":"四、診療過程錄音、錄影之規範。","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:06.023006+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:07.711656+08:00","text":"五、\n前二款錄音、錄影資料之管理規範。","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:07.711656+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:09.400307+08:00","text":"六、其他有關醫療隱私維護之應遵循事項。","quality":0},{"speaker":"事項","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:09.400307+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:11.088957+08:00","text":"」而第三項為\n「前項規範由中央主管機關訂定第一項第二款準則，應審酌醫病雙方權益及病人隱私，並定期\n檢討；遇重大事件，應立即檢討。」以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:11.088957+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:12.777607+08:00","text":"對行政機關修正文字有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:12.777607+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:14.466258+08:00","text":"請邱慧洳委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:14.466258+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:16.154908+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:16.154908+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:17.843558+08:00","text":"首先，我們會提出第七十二條修正案最主要是因應前幾個月在醫美診所有\n發生這些偷拍病人隱私跟資料的問題，所以我們就提出這樣的修法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:17.843558+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:19.532209+08:00","text":"因為我剛剛才從司長口中\n得知，他有以我們提出的版本來做一些修正，基本上，文字雖然不一樣，但我想精神是一樣的\n，所以我們這邊予以接受，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:19.532209+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:21.220859+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:21.220859+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:22.909509+08:00","text":"第七十二條一開始的時候，其實很簡單就只有一項，謝謝民眾黨黨團包括\n邱慧洳委員也做了非常完整的補充，除了原來的第一項以外，又增加了蠻多的後面一、二、三\n、四……這麼多項的內容。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:22.909509+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:24.598160+08:00","text":"民眾黨是把不得「無故洩漏」放在後面，剛剛司長是把它放在第一\n款一開始的地方，如果把「無故洩漏」放在前面能表達更積極地處理模式的話，應該看起來是\n蠻好的修正內容。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:24.598160+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:26.286810+08:00","text":"另外，剛剛也提到第七款的部分，就是把「製造、散布、播送或販賣前三款竊錄之內容。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:26.286810+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:27.975460+08:00","text":"」\n加進來，我相信經過這樣條文內容的修正，應該能夠更符合當初民眾黨黨團希望把法案內容修\n訂更好的初衷，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:27.975460+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:29.664110+08:00","text":"主席，法務部有意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:29.664110+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:31.352761+08:00","text":"3\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:31.352761+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:33.041411+08:00","text":"好，請法務部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:33.041411+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:34.730061+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：跟主席及委員報告，並且說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:34.730061+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:36.418712+08:00","text":"上次我們在逐條討論的時候，討論到第七十二條，本\n部也有提出以下的意見，我想說再提出來給委員參考，當然最後的決定還是尊重委員的意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:36.418712+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:38.107362+08:00","text":"現在第七十二條修正動議的第三款、第四款、第五款，其實跟我們現在刑法第三百一十五條之\n一、第三百一十五條之二及第三百一十九條之一，其構成要件應該是差不多一致的，只是我們\n現在第七十二條訂的重點是醫療場域，所以希望能夠有特別的加重規定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:38.107362+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:39.796012+08:00","text":"但是，其實在刑法的規範裡面，個人如果有違反到刑事責任這一塊，其實回歸到刑法，我剛\n剛說的這幾個條文都是可以處理的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:39.796012+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:41.484663+08:00","text":"所以是不是一定要在這個地方，因應醫療場域而另外訂定\n特別法來個別加重這個刑責，如果有一樣的情形，法院在原來條文的刑責上是可以視具體個案\n來審酌、量刑及加重處理，也是可以達到委員們要求的效果。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:41.484663+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:43.173313+08:00","text":"但是如果再訂在特別法的話，可\n能會有一點重疊，所以在這裡再表達一下我們法務部作為刑法主管機關的意見，也提供給委員\n參考，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:43.173313+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:44.861963+08:00","text":"因為不相違背，只是再加重管理，所以我們覺得這個版本應該可以達到上次委員會討\n論的結論，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:44.861963+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:46.550613+08:00","text":"委員有沒有共識？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:46.550613+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:48.239264+08:00","text":"邱委員，有共識了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:48.239264+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:49.927914+08:00","text":"現在是在講第七十二條嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:49.927914+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:51.616564+08:00","text":"基本上，我們是接受。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:51.616564+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:53.305215+08:00","text":"好，那就 OK 啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:53.305215+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:54.993865+08:00","text":"第七十二條就照建議條文通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:54.993865+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:56.682515+08:00","text":"那第五十三條之一跟第五十三條之二呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:56.682515+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:34:58.371166+08:00","text":"因為經濟部人員到了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:34:58.371166+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:00.059816+08:00","text":"財政部到了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:00.059816+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:01.748466+08:00","text":"第五十三條之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:01.748466+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:03.437117+08:00","text":"第五十三條之一的部分，在講的是社團法人，是不是可以按照產創條例有一些租稅的\n優惠？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:03.437117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:05.125767+08:00","text":"而公部門行政議題的部分，因為涉及稅法的政策，我們覺得應該尊重財政部的意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:05.125767+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:06.814417+08:00","text":"另\n外我們已經委託財稅專家辦理稅式支出評估，如果要修正的話，可能也要等成果出來再做評估\n，看看怎麼去對醫療社團法人方面做更實質的修正。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:06.814417+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:08.503067+08:00","text":"我是不是把麥克風給賦稅署？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:08.503067+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:10.191718+08:00","text":"謝謝召委、謝謝各位與會先進。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:10.191718+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:11.880368+08:00","text":"關於第五十三條之一的部分，目前產創也有這樣條文\n修正的情形，這個部分涉及到擴大租稅的減免，還是要請衛福部審慎就整個部分，按照納保法\n還有財政紀律法做稅式支出評估後，我們再做複評。","quality":0.074},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:11.880368+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:13.569018+08:00","text":"所以目前來講，條文的部分我們建議不予\n增訂，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:13.569018+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:15.257669+08:00","text":"好，第五十三條之一不予增訂。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:15.257669+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:16.946319+08:00","text":"4\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄\n第五十三條之二。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:16.946319+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:18.634969+08:00","text":"第五十三條之二，其實也是在講租稅的優惠，所以我們的意見也是必須尊重財政部的\n意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:18.634969+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:20.323620+08:00","text":"另外，目前的稅式支出配合評估正在辦理當中，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:20.323620+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:22.012270+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:22.012270+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:23.700920+08:00","text":"第五十三條之二的部分，理由跟剛剛一樣，我們也建議不予增訂，謝謝召\n委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:23.700920+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:25.389571+08:00","text":"請問委員有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:25.389571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:27.078221+08:00","text":"第五十三條之二不予增訂。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:27.078221+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:28.766871+08:00","text":"回到第四十九條了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:28.766871+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:30.455521+08:00","text":"好，第四十九條的部分，主要是也謝謝王正旭委員跟盧縣一委員的支持，因為我們在\n做整個條文的整理時，發現第四十九條的罰則是第一百十四條，第一百十四條是沒有報備會有\n罰則。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:30.455521+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:32.144172+08:00","text":"而上次委員會通過的版本是「備查」，也就是在第四項「前項情形，擔任董事、監察人\n之社員將其持分轉讓於第三人時，應向中央主管機關……」之前通過的版本是「備查」，只是\n因為罰則是寫「報備」，所以我們是建議把原來的文字按照第一百十四條改為「備查」，也謝\n謝兩位委員及邱委員的支持。以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:32.144172+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:33.832822+08:00","text":"對，「報備」，「備查」改「報備」，謝謝主席提醒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:33.832822+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:35.521472+08:00","text":"好，第四十九條照建議條文通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:35.521472+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:37.210123+08:00","text":"接著進行第……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:37.210123+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:38.898773+08:00","text":"第八十八條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:38.898773+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:40.587423+08:00","text":"第八十八條的部分其實有兩個版本，一個版本是盧委員希望針對地方公務機關，如果\n有從事相關的教育訓練或是晉升，應該要給予保障，甚至必要時要給一些獎補助，盧委員的原\n意大概是這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:40.587423+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:42.276074+08:00","text":"至於陳瑩委員的部分，則是希望在特定地區有一些賦稅的減免，因此我們就融\n合了兩個委員以及上次在委員會的一些意見，我們建議是不是在第八十八條新增第三項、第四\n項及第五項？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:42.276074+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:43.964724+08:00","text":"我接著唸第三項、第四項及第五項新增的部分：「醫事機構位於醫療資源缺乏或分配不均之\n離島、偏遠或原住民族地區（以下併稱偏遠地區），其機關編制內、聘任或僱用之醫事人員，\n其部分收入免予計入年度應課稅所得額課稅；該免予計入年度應課稅所得額之數額，以總薪資\n收入百分之十為限。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:43.964724+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:45.653374+08:00","text":"」、「前項醫事人員參加依法令規定之教育、培訓或其他職業訓練，或工\n作滿一定年數之調薪、晉陞、調職或其他權益事項，醫事機構應予保障；必要時，各級主管機\n關得予輔助及補助。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:45.653374+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:47.342025+08:00","text":"」、「前二項醫事機構、醫事人員之範圍、薪資收入之種類、免納入年度\n應課稅所得額之計算方式、工作一定年數之權益保障項目及其相關事項之辦法，由中央主管機\n關會商相關機關定之；其偏遠地區之範圍，由中央主管機關公告之。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:47.342025+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:49.030675+08:00","text":"」我們建議做以上的調整\n，因為事涉稅負方面，是不是也聽一下財政部的意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:49.030675+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:50.719325+08:00","text":"5\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:50.719325+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:52.407975+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:52.407975+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:54.096626+08:00","text":"有關解決離島、偏鄉醫療不足的問題，衛福部也針對醫療的制度、資源的\n分配，還有醫事人員工作環境及待遇等各方面審慎評估，相關的解決措施也在研議中。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:54.096626+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:55.785276+08:00","text":"也就是\n衛福部在盤點整個主管政策工作後，認為仍有不足的情況，而有必要新增租稅優惠的話，它還\n是要按照我們剛剛講的財政紀律法，還有納稅者權益保護法的規定，提出評估跟影響的情形，\n並提出稅制評估的報告，看租稅工具是不是具有可行性及必要性。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:55.785276+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:57.473926+08:00","text":"本部也會研提具體的措施，\n並參考衛福部提出的一個可行性跟有效性的說明之後，我們再審慎研議，以上。","quality":0.047},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:57.473926+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:35:59.162577+08:00","text":"請問委員有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:35:59.162577+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:00.851227+08:00","text":"請王正旭委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:00.851227+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:02.539877+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:02.539877+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:04.228528+08:00","text":"第八十八條今天有新的再修正動議，不過之前陳瑩委員、黃秀芳委員\n跟我，也曾經提出相關的修正內容，在我們當初修正內容裡面的第三項，是指醫事人員服務於\n離島、偏遠地區等等，希望能夠將部分收入有效地節稅。","quality":0.023},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:04.228528+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:05.917178+08:00","text":"今天提供給大家的再修正裡面，剛剛\n司長有向大家唸過第三項的部分，它不是從「醫事人員」開頭，而是以「醫事機構位於醫療資\n源缺乏或分配不均之離島、偏遠或原住民族地區（以下併稱偏遠地區）」，後面加了「其機關\n編制內、聘任或僱用之醫事人員」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:05.917178+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:07.605828+08:00","text":"我們可能也要先確認一下「機關編制內」的意思，就是只\n有公家或屬於政府機關的人員，才算是「機關編制內」，如果非屬於政府機關，是不是我們爭\n取的希望醫事人員能夠有好的節稅措施的機會，就會受到影響？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:07.605828+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:09.294479+08:00","text":"這部分可能要麻煩司長釐清，\n或者是再予以說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:09.294479+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:10.983129+08:00","text":"剛剛財政部次長也提到在還有一些未盡事宜的情形下，暫時也還沒辦法同\n意內容，如果還無法有一致性的話，是不是這一條就先予以保留？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:10.983129+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:12.671779+08:00","text":"我們上次去高雄榮總跟林靜儀次長有討論到 IDS 的部分，所以可能以後在討論細項的時候\n，這個部分也是要考慮進去，因為絕大部分山地、離島醫師等醫護人員的收入是來自於 IDS 的\n值班費用，所以我覺得這個部分如果納編進去，對他們的稅額才是有實質幫助的，因此這個部\n分我們建議保留，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:12.671779+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:14.360429+08:00","text":"第二十八條保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:14.360429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:16.049080+08:00","text":"我們繼續下一條，第一百零六條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:16.049080+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:17.737730+08:00","text":"第九十八條之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:17.737730+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:19.426380+08:00","text":"關於第九十八條之一，因為當初有兩個版本，一個版本是劉建國委員的版本，是在醫\n事審議會裡面有關醫療鑑定的內容，另外一個版本也是跟醫審會有關係，是林淑芬委員等提案\n的第一百條之一，所以我建議兩案一起討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:19.426380+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:21.115031+08:00","text":"經過再次與相關部會討論，包括和法務部跟司法\n院初步溝通之後，我們建議支持林淑芬委員的版本，除了支持以外，是不是能夠讓我們跟司法\n院在鑑定制度前，就是要實施鑑定的時候有一個溝通機制，讓鑑定問的問題更準確，以這樣的\n方向做一個處理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:21.115031+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:22.803681+08:00","text":"以這樣的方式的話，是不是就用附帶決議來建立這個機制？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:22.803681+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:24.492331+08:00","text":"利用附帶決議來\n達成，這是我們初步在行政院做一些溝通時的共識，所以我們是支持林淑芬委員的版本，以上\n。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:24.492331+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:26.180982+08:00","text":"6\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:26.180982+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:27.869632+08:00","text":"附帶決議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:27.869632+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:29.558282+08:00","text":"請司法院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:29.558282+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:31.246933+08:00","text":"許廳長辰舟：我是司法院刑事廳許辰舟。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:31.246933+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:32.935583+08:00","text":"首先，醫療法新增第一百條之一條文，它等於是刑事訴訟\n法鑑定新制的特別法，而鑑定新制特別法要求了許多的要件，才能讓鑑定作為認定犯罪事實的\n證據，其中包括具名、具結，然後必須由這個實施鑑定之人到庭接受詰問，以及相關的其他義\n務，這個是司法改革會的決議，並且也有它憲法上的意義，但是我們了解到醫界對這個刑事訴\n訟法鑑定新制實施的困難，因此我們有條件的接受這樣的一個條文，但是我也要跟大院報告這\n個條文之後實施可能會造成什麼樣的結果，就是因為這個條文保障了醫事審議委員會成員的匿\n名性，以及他們擔憂的一些顧慮也可以避免掉，但是因為在醫審會沒有配合法官或是當事人需\n要，派員到庭來進行必要說明的狀況之下，這個證據還是不能被認為經過合法調查，那它可能\n就變成只能做對被告有利的證據，而不能做為對被告不利的證據，因此我們在跟衛福部討論這\n個條文的時候，我們也希望一定要克服萬難，能夠做到當當事人或是法院認為有必要請醫審會\n實施鑑定的這些成員到庭來說明的時候，希望有機會能夠由願意到庭的成員來做必要的說明，\n而且這個成員也可以具結。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:32.935583+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:34.624233+08:00","text":"據我們了解，其實很多醫生是有可能有這樣的意願，不乏有些德高望重的醫師，當然這不是\n普遍的現象，但是確實有這樣的情形，因此我們希望，如果不能在法律規定裡面明確規定這一\n點，至少也能夠在附帶決議裡面來使衛福部能夠做到這一點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:34.624233+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:36.312883+08:00","text":"當初林淑芬委員提出這個修正草\n案是要避免醫醫相護的情形，我們也希望能夠達到，我們是希望能夠發現真實，然後避免無辜\n之人入罪，並且保障醫病的權利，以上報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:36.312883+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:38.001534+08:00","text":"請把附帶決議……是不是要放上去？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:38.001534+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:39.690184+08:00","text":"放到螢幕上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:39.690184+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:41.378834+08:00","text":"我再補充一下，我想委員協助我們提出這樣的修法，事實上是為了要協助我們相關的\n醫事審議，對於司法或者檢察機關一些相關的案件做協助，之前我們跟法務部、司法院開的會\n議就已經提過，在現行的制度下，如果他們聘請個別的醫師去擔任相關的委員來協助，他們願\n意具名、願意參加，本來就是可以的事情、本來就可以，而我們這次的制度是針對我們過去長\n期已經有的、醫事審議委員會過去卡住的部分來做一個相關的處理，以上補充，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:41.378834+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:43.067485+08:00","text":"再請司法院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:43.067485+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:44.756135+08:00","text":"許廳長辰舟：報告主席，這個附帶決議就跟剛剛司長報告的內容是一樣的，但是跟我們剛剛所希望\n的其實有一點點落差，這個鑑定平臺我們也在努力，因為這個確實能夠強化醫療跟法律專業的\n溝通，這是必要的，而且我們也已經在著手進行，但是我剛剛講的那一點，可能對於這個證據\n在訴訟上能夠被正確的使用，然後有證據能力，而且經合法調查，還是屬於必要的，因為附帶\n決議等於是讓法務部有一個改進的空間，我們還是希望能夠把它列入，這個條文文字我這邊有\n，但是我們沒有電子檔，這個部分不曉得怎麼樣讓主席來審閱或是讓委員來審閱。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:44.756135+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:46.444785+08:00","text":"那就請衛福部這邊強化那個附帶決議吧！","quality":0.235},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:46.444785+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:48.133436+08:00","text":"請打一下字。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:48.133436+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:49.822086+08:00","text":"要不然我們先跳其他條？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:49.822086+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:51.510736+08:00","text":"7\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:51.510736+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:53.199387+08:00","text":"好，可以，可以先跳第一百零六條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:53.199387+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:54.888037+08:00","text":"第一百零六條主要是針對醫療暴力的罰則項目，在討論第一百零六條的時候其實有幾\n件事情，第一件事情，我們過去只保障醫事人員，所以不是醫事人員的這個地方，是不是需要\n改變名稱？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:54.888037+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:56.576687+08:00","text":"在前面第二十四條的部分，那時候的決議是說我們利用罰則，因為整個在第二十四\n條裡面規範的時候，其實還是以在醫療機構發生的行為為主體，所以我們就把過去在醫療暴力\n裡面常見的書記、保全這些列為第一百零六條新修正的建議條文，特別是在第一百零六條裡面\n我們就新增了，把人員的部分含在「或其他相關人員」，等一下我會再整個重唸一次，就是其\n他相關人員，把歷年來通報裡面被醫療暴力影響的人員加進去。","quality":0.017},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:56.576687+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:58.265337+08:00","text":"上次的討論裡面還有一件事情，就是機構如果沒有提供相關的必要措施有沒有罰則？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:58.265337+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:36:59.953988+08:00","text":"在過去\n是沒有，所以我們就新增第二項。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:36:59.953988+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:01.642638+08:00","text":"至於第三個調整的部分，在我們所有的醫療暴力裡面，最常\n看到的是用公然侮辱的方式，所以我們就新增了第五項，就是公然侮辱的罰則，我們做的修正\n大概是這樣，那我就簡單的把我們這次修正的地方重新唸一次，也就是說，依照上次委員會的\n共識，第一項：「違反第二十四條第二項規定者，處新臺幣五萬元以上二十五萬元以下罰鍰。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:01.642638+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:03.331288+08:00","text":"涉及刑事責任者，應移送司法機關偵辦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:03.331288+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:05.019939+08:00","text":"」\n第二項，特別是新增的整項，違反第二十四條第三項規定，醫療機構未依中央主管機關公告\n，採必要措施者，處新臺幣三萬元以上十五萬元以下罰鍰。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:05.019939+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:06.708589+08:00","text":"第三項，毀損醫療機構或其他相類場所內關於保護生命之設備，致生危險於他人之生命、身\n體或健康者，處三個月以上三年以下有期徒刑、拘役，得併科新臺幣三十萬元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:06.708589+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:08.397239+08:00","text":"對醫事人員、緊急醫療救護人員或其他相關人員以強暴、脅迫、恐嚇或其他非法之方法，妨\n害其執行醫事、醫療或救護相關業務者，處六個月以上五年以下有期徒刑，得併科新臺幣三十\n萬元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:08.397239+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:10.085890+08:00","text":"以下是新增的，對前項人員以公然侮辱之方法，妨害其執行醫事、醫療或救護相關業務者，\n處二個月以上二年以下有期徒刑，得併科新臺幣二十萬元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:10.085890+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:11.774540+08:00","text":"犯第四項之罪，因而致醫事人員、緊急醫療救護人員或其他相關人員於死者，處無期徒刑或\n十年以上有期徒刑；致重傷者，處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:11.774540+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:13.463190+08:00","text":"我們建議做以上文字的調整。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:13.463190+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:15.151840+08:00","text":"衛福部在第一百零六條關於醫療暴力的罰則，修法的結果跟我們台灣民眾黨提出的版\n本很類似，因為我們主要是針對刑度來提升，衛福部也有做相對應符合民眾黨訴求的刑期。","quality":0.11},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:15.151840+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:16.840491+08:00","text":"我也要肯定衛福部，因為衛福部有增訂第二項即醫事機構行政罰的責任，對相關人員以公然\n侮辱的方式會有醫療暴力中的公然侮辱罪也在這邊制定出來，我覺得是防制醫療暴力一個很新\n的篇章，我在這邊對衛福部予以肯定，以上說明，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.119},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:16.840491+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:18.529141+08:00","text":"我們就照建議條文通過……還有嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:18.529141+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:20.217791+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：感謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:20.217791+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:21.906442+08:00","text":"針對第一百零六條我們有幾個要點一定要提，而且也是必須要修改的地方\n，在這邊提出來請委員們參考。","quality":0.07},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:21.906442+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:23.595092+08:00","text":"8\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄\n首先是第一百零六條在刑罰級距上好像還是沒有注意到，雖然上次我們都有提到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:23.595092+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:25.283742+08:00","text":"像這次第\n一百零六條的修正動議第三項是寫「處三個月以上三年以下有期徒刑」，但是在刑罰級距體例\n裡面，三年以下是不搭配樓地板的三個月，我們沒有這樣子搭配，因為刑法總則即刑法第三十\n三條第三款，主刑的種類如果是有期徒刑的話，就是指二月以上，所以本身就有樓地板即二月\n以上，不需要在這裡寫三個月以上，因為這樣子寫是不符刑罰級距體例，如果開了此例真的是\n不太合適。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:25.283742+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:26.972393+08:00","text":"同樣的，第五項也有這個問題，直接寫處二個月以上二年以下，如果是刑罰級距體例的話，\n二年以下 OK，但就不要再寫二個月以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:26.972393+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:28.661043+08:00","text":"以上是刑罰級距體例的部分給委員參考。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:28.661043+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:30.349693+08:00","text":"另外，還有一個刑罰量刑級距的問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:30.349693+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:32.038344+08:00","text":"關於第六項致死及第四項致重傷的醫事暴力，致重傷\n的部分，刑度是六個月以上五年以下的有期徒刑。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:32.038344+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:33.726994+08:00","text":"想跟委員們報告，因為醫療暴力罪本質上是\n一個加重結果犯，如果它的最低法定刑跟刑法第二百七十八條的重傷罪是相同的，因為重傷罪\n的刑度就是六個月以上五年以下，而且刑法第一百三十五條第四項是妨害公務致公務員重傷罪\n，在妨害公務致公務員重傷罪這邊的刑度訂得還更重，這樣子是不是妥當，可能請委員們也參\n考一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:33.726994+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:35.415644+08:00","text":"第六項也是一樣的道理，就是殺人罪本身的最低刑度就是無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑，加\n重結果是致死的，如果致重傷也是五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑，像這個都是最低法定刑，跟\n第二百七十一條第一項殺人罪責相同，而且這個比刑法第一百三十五條第四項妨害公務致公務\n員於死罪還重，我們如果在這裡訂的刑度跟本質上最低刑度是一致的話，這樣子是否合適，也\n請委員們考慮。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:35.415644+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:37.104294+08:00","text":"第三點，除了刑罰級距體例之外，上次也有提過「或其他相關人員」這個部分，不過醫事司\n應該也是考慮過，只是上一次很多委員也有考量是為了執行職務醫事人員的特別保護還有病患\n的就醫安全，所以才把保護的刑度拉高，其他相關人員是不是一定要放在這裡面？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:37.104294+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:38.792945+08:00","text":"還是我們其\n實可以將這部分脫鉤？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:38.792945+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:40.481595+08:00","text":"因為他們的狀況比如說一般的非醫事人員，如清潔人員、批價掛號人員\n、保全人員，他們是不是回歸一般人的狀況，一樣用刑責來處理，有沒有必要把他們跟醫事人\n員及病患的醫療安全綁在一起處理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:40.481595+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:42.170245+08:00","text":"可能還是請委員們再思考一下，當然最後還是尊重委員們\n的決定。以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:42.170245+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:43.858896+08:00","text":"這條先保留，等一下休息的時候，衛福部跟法務部能不能先就修正條文文字提比較合適的版\n本出來？","quality":0.073},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:43.858896+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:45.547546+08:00","text":"好，繼續進行第一百零七條。","quality":0.182},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:45.547546+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:47.236196+08:00","text":"我建議第一百零七條可能要回到第七十二條，因為第七十二條沒問題的話，第一百零\n七條是第七十二條的罰則，那個項目才會對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:47.236196+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:48.924847+08:00","text":"第七十二條，應該是在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:48.924847+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:50.613497+08:00","text":"是附帶決議嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:50.613497+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:52.302147+08:00","text":"還是我們先討論第一百零七條，之後再回來看附帶決議？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:52.302147+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:53.990798+08:00","text":"9\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:53.990798+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:55.679448+08:00","text":"第一百零七條針對第七十二條新增的部分，違反第一項第三款跟第四款是處六個月以\n上三年以下有期徒刑或併科新臺幣三十萬元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:55.679448+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:57.368098+08:00","text":"如果是違反第七十二條第一項第五款到\n第七款的規定，是處六個月以上五年以下有期徒刑或科或併科……應該是或併科新臺幣五十萬\n元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:57.368098+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:37:59.056748+08:00","text":"前項之未遂犯罰之。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:37:59.056748+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:00.745399+08:00","text":"我們是建議做「罰之」這樣子的調整──違反第七十二條第\n一項第三款至第七款之附著物或物品，不問屬於犯罪行為人與否，沒收之。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:00.745399+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:02.434049+08:00","text":"我們建議做以上的\n文字修正。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:02.434049+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:04.122699+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:04.122699+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:05.811350+08:00","text":"衛福部定調的第一百零七條，其實跟我們台灣民眾黨所提的第一百零七條\n，就我自己來看，接近度是 98%、有很高的接近度，這部分我們完全沒有問題。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:05.811350+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:07.500000+08:00","text":"衛福部也很細\n心，幫我們考慮到物品的沒收，在這邊也謝謝衛福部幫我們把這個重要的法律處理規定上去。","quality":0.136},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:07.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:08.750000+08:00","text":"以上說明，謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:08.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:38:55.015625+08:00","text":"請法務部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:38:55.015625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:39:41.281250+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：跟召委還有委員報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:39:41.281250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:40:27.546875+08:00","text":"第一百零七條第三項也是同樣有刑罰級距的問題，這裡是定六\n個月以上三年以下，一樣這邊請刪除「六個月」這幾個字。","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:40:27.546875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:41:13.812500+08:00","text":"其他部分，像第四項規定違反七十\n二條第一項第五款至第七款是六個月以上五年以下有期徒刑，其實相對應刑法的條文就是第三\n百十五條之二的第一項、二項、第三項，該條第一項、第二項、第三項的刑度是五年以下有期\n徒刑，這裡是因為特別的規定，所以我們要有一個樓地板是六個月以上，如果是這樣子，委員\n們如果決定要從重來處理的話，我們也尊重，這個級距也是可以的，不過還是請委員們考慮是\n不是要用這樣的方式？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:41:13.812500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:42:00.078125+08:00","text":"還是用第三百十五條之二？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T12:42:00.078125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:42:46.343750+08:00","text":"是一樣的刑度，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:42:46.343750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:43:32.609375+08:00","text":"這邊刪除「處六個月以上」這部分沒有問題，剛剛也跟民眾黨的提案委員做……有關\n修正的部分我再唸一次：違反第七十二條第一項第三款及第四款規定者，處三年以下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:43:32.609375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:44:18.875000+08:00","text":"以上就\n是現在的版本。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:44:18.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:45:05.140625+08:00","text":"我們尊重法務部對於刑法級距的專業建議，所以對於刪除「六個月以上」這部分我們\n可以接受……第四項是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T12:45:05.140625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:45:51.406250+08:00","text":"第五款到第七款的六個月……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:45:51.406250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:46:37.671875+08:00","text":"可是六個月配五年以下是不是符合體例？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:46:37.671875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:47:23.937500+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：對……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:47:23.937500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:48:10.203125+08:00","text":"符合體例？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:48:10.203125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:48:56.468750+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：第七十二條第一項第三款、第四款這樣定下來，其實跟刑法第三百十五條之一的第一\n款、第二款是一樣的刑度。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:48:56.468750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:49:42.734375+08:00","text":"至於第七十二條第一項第五款到第七款，其實相對應刑法的條文是\n第三百十五條之二的第一項、第二項及第三項，第三百十五條之二的刑度是五年以下，如果以\n搭配的一致性來看，是不是六個月以上……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:49:42.734375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:50:29+08:00","text":"用特別法有必要嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:50:29+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:51:15.265625+08:00","text":"10\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄\n陳參事信誠：兩個六個月以下的都刪掉了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:51:15.265625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:52:01.531250+08:00","text":"OK，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:52:01.531250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:52:47.796875+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：兩個六個月以下的都刪掉了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:52:47.796875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:53:34.062500+08:00","text":"對不起！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:53:34.062500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:54:20.328125+08:00","text":"我請教一件事，這邊有沒有比刑法再嚴格一點點？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:54:20.328125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:55:06.593750+08:00","text":"因為可能要比刑法再嚴格\n一點點，才有另立特別法的意義，否則就是回歸刑法處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:55:06.593750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:55:52.859375+08:00","text":"因為醫療暴力也是傷害罪的一種，\n而普通法有傷害罪、公然侮辱等一大堆可適用，但因為情境是發生在醫療場所，所以可能要跟\n普通刑法有一點點不同的區別。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:55:52.859375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:56:39.125000+08:00","text":"我建議在醫療法的刑度強度可能要稍微再強一點點才有意義，\n以上說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:56:39.125000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:57:25.390625+08:00","text":"汪參事南均：跟委員報告，我擔心會不會在有些狀況上缺少彈性？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:57:25.390625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:58:11.656250+08:00","text":"如果定六個月以上，比如第五款\n到第七款是不是有公然侮辱的狀況……是醫療暴力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:58:11.656250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:58:57.921875+08:00","text":"如果沒有彈性的話，會變成一律都是六個\n月以上，我怕有的狀況會不會情輕法重，就沒有辦法做彈性調整，重點是在這裡。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:58:57.921875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T12:59:44.187500+08:00","text":"可以這樣考量，重點是拉到醫療法來，它就是特別法，但如果處罰結果是跟普通刑法\n一樣，好像就沒有特別拉過來的必要，所以我覺得這是必要性的論述。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T12:59:44.187500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:00:30.453125+08:00","text":"之所以會處六個月以上\n，就是因為在醫療機構，畢竟在平常情境中發生妨礙人家秘密情事就已經很可惡了，何況在醫\n療情境中，對於這些特別需要保護的個人醫療隱私、病情資料去洩漏甚或妨礙，我認為就輕重\n的考量來說應該要重一點，我是這樣覺得。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T13:00:30.453125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:01:16.718750+08:00","text":"因為沒有做出刑度區別，那麼這裡也就沒有需要特\n別定的意義。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T13:01:16.718750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:02:02.984375+08:00","text":"所以我是主張「六個月以上」要保留，這樣才能區別跟普通刑法的差異。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:02:02.984375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:02:49.250000+08:00","text":"所以第四項保留「第六個月以上」對吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:02:49.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:03:35.515625+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T13:03:35.515625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:04:21.781250+08:00","text":"第一個在普通刑法是三年以下，沒關係，至少那個保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-07-23T13:04:21.781250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:05:08.046875+08:00","text":"至於六個月以上五年那個，\n五年就是搭配六個月，因為體例上可以接受六個月的。可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:05:08.046875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:05:54.312500+08:00","text":"第一百零七條就照邱慧洳委員剛才的建議文字修正通過？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:05:54.312500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:06:40.578125+08:00","text":"現在的修正文字我再唸一次：「違反第七十二條第一項第三款及第四款規定者，處三\n年以下有期徒刑或併科新臺幣三十萬元以下罰金」；「違反第七十二條第一項第五款至第七款\n者，處六個月以上五年以下有期徒刑……」，後面都一樣，所以我就不再贅述。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:06:40.578125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:07:26.843750+08:00","text":"第一百零七條照邱慧洳委員修正文字通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:07:26.843750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:08:13.109375+08:00","text":"第一百十四條之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:08:13.109375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:08:59.375000+08:00","text":"第一百十四條之一我們沒什麼意見，建議依照王正旭委員的提案通過。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:08:59.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:09:45.640625+08:00","text":"照王正旭委員的提案條文通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:09:45.640625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:10:31.906250+08:00","text":"我們先休息 10 分鐘，溝通一下剛才的文字，然後再進行第二輪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:10:31.906250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:11:18.171875+08:00","text":"休息（13 時 16 分）\n繼續開會（13 時 33 分）\n11\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:11:18.171875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:12:04.437500+08:00","text":"繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:12:04.437500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:12:50.703125+08:00","text":"補充介紹衛福部石崇良部長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:12:50.703125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:13:36.968750+08:00","text":"現在有三條條文保留，從第八十八條開始。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:13:36.968750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:14:23.234375+08:00","text":"第八十八條剛剛溝通的結論是沒有共識，所以建議繼續保留。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:14:23.234375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:15:09.500000+08:00","text":"就保留送院會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:15:09.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:15:55.765625+08:00","text":"第一百條之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:15:55.765625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:16:42.031250+08:00","text":"第一百條之一的附帶決議，我們已經跟司法院達成共識，所以螢幕可不可以 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出\n附帶決議？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:16:42.031250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:17:28.296875+08:00","text":"我照著唸一遍：「有鑑於本次《醫療法》增訂第一百條之一條文草案，採取以「醫\n事審議委員會（下稱醫審會）名義」具名出具鑑定報告，旨在兼顧合議鑑定本質與保護個別委\n員身分，以解決目前醫療鑑定停滯之困境。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:17:28.296875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:18:14.562500+08:00","text":"然為貫徹憲法第十六條保障被告之訴訟權及對質詰\n問權，協助法官發現真實及兼顧程序公正，爰要求衛生福利部應於本條文通過後六個月內，與\n司法院共同建立鑑定前溝通機制，法院於囑託鑑定前，得透過該機制先行召開諮詢會議，釐清\n鑑定爭點之方向、內容及可回答之專業範圍，以提升鑑定制度效益，並就醫審會運作模式建立\n配套機制，研議修正醫審會相關作業要點或指派代表流程之可行性，以確保醫療鑑定制度之專\n業性、公正性及憲法適法性。」以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:18:14.562500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:19:00.828125+08:00","text":"請問大家對附帶決議有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:19:00.828125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:19:47.093750+08:00","text":"請司法院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:19:47.093750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:20:33.359375+08:00","text":"黃法官湘瑩：可以加兩個字嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:20:33.359375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:21:19.625000+08:00","text":"指派代表「到庭」流程之可行性。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:21:19.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:22:05.890625+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:22:05.890625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:22:52.156250+08:00","text":"大家都沒意見了喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:22:52.156250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:23:38.421875+08:00","text":"第一百條之一的附帶決議修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:23:38.421875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:24:24.687500+08:00","text":"接著是第一百零六條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:24:24.687500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:25:10.953125+08:00","text":"第一百零六條剛剛已經有共識，在第三項有下限的刑度部分我們予以刪除，已經有共\n識；對於第五項公然侮辱那邊有下限的地方刪除是 OK 的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:25:10.953125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:25:57.218750+08:00","text":"我把剛剛修正的地方再唸一次，第一百零六條第四項「對醫事人員、緊急醫療救護人員或其\n他相關人員以強暴、脅迫、恐嚇或其他非法之方法，妨害其執行醫事、醫療或救護相關業務者\n，處六個月以上五年以下有期徒刑，得併科新臺幣三十萬元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:25:57.218750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:26:43.484375+08:00","text":"」這部分維持；第五項\n「對前項人員以公然侮辱之方法，妨害其執行醫事、醫療或救護相關業務者，處二年以下有期\n徒刑，得併科新臺幣二十萬元以下罰金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉司長越萍","start":"2026-07-23T13:26:43.484375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:27:29.750000+08:00","text":"」大概做以上的修正，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:27:29.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:28:16.015625+08:00","text":"好，第一百零六條大家有沒有意見？沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:28:16.015625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:29:02.281250+08:00","text":"OK，照行政院的修正文字通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:29:02.281250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:29:48.546875+08:00","text":"第一百條之一就照林淑芬委員的條文通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:29:48.546875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:30:34.812500+08:00","text":"立法說明如有需要補充或調整的部分，授權行政機關處理。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:30:34.812500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:31:21.078125+08:00","text":"本法案相關的條次、條文中援引\n之條、項次及法制用語調整，授權議事人員整理。","quality":0.094},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:31:21.078125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:32:07.343750+08:00","text":"現在宣讀協商結論：\n一、協商通過條文：第四十九條、第七十二條、第一百零六條及第一百零七條，如附件一。","quality":0.238},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:32:07.343750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:32:53.609375+08:00","text":"12\n立法院公報 第 115 卷 第 66 期 黨團協商紀錄\n二、增訂第一百條之一條文，照委員林淑芬等 25 人提案通過。","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:32:53.609375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:33:39.875000+08:00","text":"三、增訂第一百十四條之一條文，照委員王正旭等 21 人提案通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:33:39.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:34:26.140625+08:00","text":"四、不予增訂：\n(一)委員李彥秀等 16 人及委員蘇清泉等 22 人提案增訂第五十三條之一條文。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:34:26.140625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:35:12.406250+08:00","text":"(二)委員李彥秀等 16 人及委員蘇清泉等 22 人提案增訂第五十三條之二條文。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:35:12.406250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:35:58.671875+08:00","text":"(三)委員劉建國等 16 人提案增訂第九十八條之一條文。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:35:58.671875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:36:44.937500+08:00","text":"五、保留，送院會處理：第八十八條條文。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-23T13:36:44.937500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-23T13:37:31.203125+08:00","text":"六、新增附帶決議 1 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