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5%，「特種基金」。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:34:43.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:34:45.062727+08:00","text":"請王安祥委員表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:34:45.347895+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:02.490000+08:00","text":"我這個案子主要就是因為房地合一稅，涉及到住宅基金的部分，因為稅收的比較少，\n我們怕對於基金的狀況會有一些影響，所以我們建議凍結 5%，以上。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:03.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:06.800000+08:00","text":"主計總處希望改主決議，王安祥委員的態度呢？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:07.656667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:08.856667+08:00","text":"5%應該還好，交報告就好了。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:08.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:10.767778+08:00","text":"對不起，你看著我好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:11.232857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:14.147143+08:00","text":"他希望改主決議，您覺得怎麼樣？協 2","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:14.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:15.790000+08:00","text":"他 OK，5%OK。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:16.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:19.200000+08:00","text":"不是，凍結 5%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:22.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:24.243333+08:00","text":"他們同意，他們應該同意啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:24.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:26.743333+08:00","text":"主計總處同意，好，第 6案凍結 5%。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:28.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:32.195714+08:00","text":"第 7案台灣民眾黨團凍結 300萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:32.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:35:33.285000+08:00","text":"請陳總召表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:35:33.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:01.137273+08:00","text":"這個是針對主計總處對經濟成長率的預測，尤其今年很離譜，一日三市，從去年預計\n今年的 3.5%，到 2 月的 7.7%，到最近的 9%，這個部分我們要求主計總處對經濟預測的品質要\n維護，所以我們提議凍結 300萬。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:01.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:06.187778+08:00","text":"陳總召，主計總處提書面資料過來，希望凍結 100萬，台灣民眾黨接受嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:06.187778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:07.995556+08:00","text":"好，凍結 100萬。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:07.995556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:09.803333+08:00","text":"好，第 7案凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:09.803333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:12.541429+08:00","text":"第 8案王鴻薇委員進入通刪。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:12.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:14.636667+08:00","text":"第 9案翁曉玲委員進入通刪。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:14.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:17.803333+08:00","text":"第 10案黃仁委員凍結 100萬元，書面報告。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:18.322941+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:20.793529+08:00","text":"第 11案黃仁委員凍結 100萬元，書面報告。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:21.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:21.570000+08:00","text":"第 12案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:22.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:22.570000+08:00","text":"第 13案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:23.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:23.570000+08:00","text":"第 14案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:24.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:25.770000+08:00","text":"第 15案主決議，文字修正。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:25.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:27.816154+08:00","text":"如果沒有問題，我們就修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:27.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:29.684286+08:00","text":"好，我們修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:30.285789+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:32.812105+08:00","text":"第 16案主決議，如果沒有問題，我們就照案通過。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:32.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:34.684286+08:00","text":"好，我們照案通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:36.255714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:37.684286+08:00","text":"謝謝主計總處。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:38.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:47.236667+08:00","text":"現在審計部請就位，謝謝審計長，請坐。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:48.601579+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:50.812105+08:00","text":"第 17案黃仁委員併委員會決議處理。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:51.636667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:54.788182+08:00","text":"第 18案主決議，如果沒有意見，我們就通過。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:55.303333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:36:56.970000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳審計長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:36:57.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:09.653333+08:00","text":"我們進入財政部，謝謝陳審計長，麻煩請莊部長及財政部各列席官員就位，謝謝莊部長。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:10.183636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:17.570000+08:00","text":"第 19案，民眾黨黨團提減列 6億 7,500萬元，陳總召請表達意見。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:17.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:22.944286+08:00","text":"這一案我們保留送院會。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:23.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:26.042500+08:00","text":"我們進入第 20案，鄭天財委員改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:26.691538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:28.076154+08:00","text":"第 21案，鄭天財委員改主決議。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:28.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:28.896667+08:00","text":"第 22案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:29.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:29.896667+08:00","text":"協 3\n第 23案通刪。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:30.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:30.896667+08:00","text":"第 24案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:31.691538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:33.076154+08:00","text":"第 25案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:33.691538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:35.076154+08:00","text":"第 26案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:35.691538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:37.076154+08:00","text":"第 27案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:38.087143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:40.105000+08:00","text":"第 28案主決議，財政部長有意見嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:40.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:41.030000+08:00","text":"沒有意見，我們就通過好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:41.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:42.105000+08:00","text":"第 28案遵照辦理。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:42.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:43.030000+08:00","text":"好，照案通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:43.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:46.030000+08:00","text":"第 29案，文字修正，財政部有意見嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:46.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:47.105000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:47.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:48.087143+08:00","text":"好，修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:49.153077+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:50.999231+08:00","text":"第 30案主決議，請財政部表達意見。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:51.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:52.030000+08:00","text":"是，遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:52.030000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:53.629091+08:00","text":"好，通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:53.629091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:37:56.083636+08:00","text":"第 31案主決議，台灣民眾黨團所提，財政部有意見嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:37:57.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:03.128889+08:00","text":"這個部分我們同意改書面報告，改為主決議。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:04.323333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:05.073333+08:00","text":"好，第 31案台灣民眾黨團改書面報告。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:06.701538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:08.086154+08:00","text":"我們進入國庫署。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:09.009231+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:12.082105+08:00","text":"第 32案，台灣民眾黨團減列 500萬，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:13.266667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:13.766667+08:00","text":"哪一個案？保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:17.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:17.857692+08:00","text":"第 32案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:19.088462+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:21.242308+08:00","text":"第 33案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:22.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:25.953077+08:00","text":"第 34案，國民黨改文字。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:25.953077+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:28.030000+08:00","text":"第 34案沒意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:28.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:38:55.780000+08:00","text":"跟院長和各位先進報告，這個案子是蘇清泉跟我共同提案的，蘇清泉委員是前半段，\n我是後半段，各位可以看到最近國庫署花了快 100 億去把一個原來純民營的國票金控吃進來了\n，吃進來了後，外界就質疑到底吃了要幹什麼？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-08-04T14:38:56.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:39:53.471429+08:00","text":"國票金是 15 家金控裡面最小的一家，賺的錢也\n最少，資本額也最少，資產也最少，結果政府這樣子介入，把它從民營變成公股，大家以為要\n推動公公併，可是後來也沒有，只看到加一個副董事長，而剛才講的 8 家泛公股銀行裡面，8 家\n的金控都沒有副董事長的職稱、位置在那裡，結果國票金放一個副董事長，外界不知道，結果\n後來才知道，因為年薪 2,000 萬，連兆豐金賺了這麼多錢，兆豐金的董事長年薪都沒有到 1,000\n萬，居然國票金的副董事長年薪可以高達 2,000 萬，這就是道地的財政部用人民、納稅人的錢圖\n利特定的財團。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-08-04T14:39:53.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:40:17.700000+08:00","text":"協 4\n因此我特別提案，要求財政部……我後面加幾個字，請議事人員注意聽，最後倒數三行，爰\n要求財政部官股代表的董事對所屬的公股事業董事長與副董事長選舉的時候，不得支持非公股\n的代表。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-08-04T14:40:17.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:40:24.566667+08:00","text":"既然是政府有錢，政府花這麼多錢，就應該支持自己的人，你一定要設副董事長的話\n，對不起！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-08-04T14:40:24.788889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:40:51.360000+08:00","text":"那你就官派，你不要去支持民股，否則就是外界講的，這個是利益輸送、圖利特定\n的財團，這個給外界感覺非常不好，財政部花了 100 億買了這麼小的金控公司，結果只為了給\n一個副董事長，而且還支持民股，民股自己競爭，然後你硬要給他，還年薪 2,000 萬，社會整個\n皆曰不可啦！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-08-04T14:40:51.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:40:54.860000+08:00","text":"所以這個案子，我希望能夠照這樣通過，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:40:55.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:40:56.460000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆委員的說明。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:40:56.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:40:58.542353+08:00","text":"財政部長能接受這樣的文字修正嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:40:58.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:00.410000+08:00","text":"對委員提案沒意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:03.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:06.506667+08:00","text":"好，那財政部接受了，我們就要……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:06.506667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:07.506667+08:00","text":"就照這樣過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:06.728889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:10.240000+08:00","text":"好，我們就專案報告了，第 34案專案報告。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:10.240000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:14.030000+08:00","text":"第 35案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:14.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:17.744286+08:00","text":"第 36案凍結 500萬，陳總召請表達意見。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:20.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:35.450000+08:00","text":"本案是查緝事業的獎勵制度，淪為不法人士來利用，整個財政部的監督沒辦法去落實\n執行，所以本黨團是提案凍結經費 500萬。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:37.180769+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:40.825000+08:00","text":"賦稅署現在提出希望改主決議，台灣民眾黨團的意見呢？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:40.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:41.616667+08:00","text":"不同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:41.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:42.450000+08:00","text":"好，我們保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:42.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:44.664286+08:00","text":"進入第 37案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:44.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:41:48.750000+08:00","text":"進入第 38案，台灣民眾黨團凍結 300萬，請表達意見。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:41:50.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:10.320000+08:00","text":"第 38 案是有關娛樂稅，目前娛樂稅已經修法通過，我們在這個部分沒有看到財政部\n有積極作為，所以本黨團提出凍結 300萬，提書面報告。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:10.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:13.470000+08:00","text":"現在賦稅署提出希望改主決議，民眾黨團……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:13.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:14.386667+08:00","text":"不同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:14.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:15.148571+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:15.291429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:17.470000+08:00","text":"進入第 39案，黃仁委員，併委員會決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:17.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:18.220000+08:00","text":"第 40案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:18.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:19.220000+08:00","text":"第 41案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:19.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:20.220000+08:00","text":"第 42案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:20.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:25.577143+08:00","text":"第 43案主決議，文字修正，王安祥委員所提，改書面報告，請問財政部意見？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:29.274444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:32.718889+08:00","text":"這個黨團已經同意了，我們也同意這個提案文字，謝謝。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:33.163333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:34.330000+08:00","text":"好，修正通過，謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:34.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:35.496667+08:00","text":"第 44案撤案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:36.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:41.205714+08:00","text":"第 45案，高雄國稅局，陳菁徽委員改主決議。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:41.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:47.544286+08:00","text":"協 5\n第 46案，北區國稅局所屬，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:47.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:50.496667+08:00","text":"第 47案併委員會決議處理。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:50.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:51.630000+08:00","text":"第 48案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:51.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:53.430000+08:00","text":"第 49案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:53.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:55.430000+08:00","text":"第 50案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:55.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:42:56.830000+08:00","text":"第 51案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:42:57.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:05.687143+08:00","text":"第 52案，黨團沒有蓋章，台灣民眾黨團所提減列 500萬，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:05.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:09.830000+08:00","text":"本案本黨團堅持，就保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:20.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:22.424286+08:00","text":"委員簽了，但黨團沒有蓋章，所以是保留，對不對？","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:22.424286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:23.424286+08:00","text":"對，保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:23.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:24.210000+08:00","text":"第 52案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:24.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:25.376667+08:00","text":"第 53案撤案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:25.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:31.510000+08:00","text":"第 54案，台灣民眾黨團凍結 2,000萬，關稅業務，請表達意見。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:34.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:38.365000+08:00","text":"第 54 案，我們可以說明嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:39.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:43.467273+08:00","text":"我們建議這個部分是不是能夠凍結 200 萬？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:43.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:44.406667+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:44.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:54.676667+08:00","text":"因\n為海關的工作非常吃重而且責任越來越大，不管是非洲豬瘟等等，是不是建議能夠凍結 200 萬\n，提書面報告？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:55.100909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:55.919091+08:00","text":"凍結 200萬，台灣民眾黨黨團可以接受嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:58.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:43:58.760000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 200萬，書面報告。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:43:59.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:02.810000+08:00","text":"凍結 200萬元，書面報告，謝謝莊部長，謝謝陳總召。謝謝。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:03.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:03.810000+08:00","text":"第 55案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:04.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:08.760000+08:00","text":"第 56案，陳超明委員所提，併委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:09.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:09.676667+08:00","text":"第 57案撤案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:10.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:12.867143+08:00","text":"第 58案改主決議，盧縣一委員所提。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:13.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:15.867143+08:00","text":"第 59案主決議，文字修正，財政部有意見嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:17.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:18.183333+08:00","text":"沒有意見，我們遵照辦理。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:18.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:19.550000+08:00","text":"修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:19.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:21.622727+08:00","text":"第 60案文字修正，財政部能接受嗎？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:21.622727+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:25.040000+08:00","text":"同意，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:25.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:28.573333+08:00","text":"第 60案文字修正之後通過。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:29.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:33.454286+08:00","text":"進入第 61案，陳昭姿委員撤案。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:33.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:36.517778+08:00","text":"第 62案，黃建賓委員改主決議。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:36.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:44.100000+08:00","text":"第 63案，陳昭姿委員改凍 1,000萬，書面報告，台灣民眾黨團有意見嗎？","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:45.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:46.790000+08:00","text":"是的，我們遵照辦理，謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:46.790000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:49.116923+08:00","text":"好，凍結 1,000萬。協 6","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:49.116923+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:49.809231+08:00","text":"凍結 1,000萬元，書面報告。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:50.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:44:51.873333+08:00","text":"第 64案，陳昭姿委員所提，改主決議。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:44:52.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:03.840000+08:00","text":"第 65 案，黨團還沒有蓋章，改主決議，王安祥委員已經同意了，台灣民眾黨團陳總召看看王\n安祥的眼睛，就在你正對面，你能接受嗎？謝謝。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:05.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:07.750000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳總召，改主決議。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:08.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:13.750000+08:00","text":"進入第 66案，台灣民眾黨團減列 2,500萬元，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:15.944444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:17.277778+08:00","text":"這個案子本黨團保留。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:17.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:19.100000+08:00","text":"保留，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:19.785714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:20.357143+08:00","text":"第 67案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:20.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:28.388889+08:00","text":"第 68案併第 63案，凍 1,000萬元，已經凍結，陳總召應該沒有意見吧？","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:28.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:29+08:00","text":"沒意見，併案。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:30.045455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:32.227273+08:00","text":"第 69案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:32.772727+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:36.388889+08:00","text":"謝謝財政部莊部長，謝謝各位財政部官員，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:37.071429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:50.293333+08:00","text":"進入金管會，麻煩請彭主委就座，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:51.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:53.783333+08:00","text":"請審查完畢的官員離場，好嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:54.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:57.450000+08:00","text":"這個空間有點擁擠，拜託大家，謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:57.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:45:58.750000+08:00","text":"彭主委，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:45:58.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:00.807143+08:00","text":"第 70案，高金素梅委員所提，改主決議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:00.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:06.783333+08:00","text":"第 71案，蘇清泉委員的專案凍結 10%，麻煩請國民黨團表達意見。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:10.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:11.752727+08:00","text":"第 71案保留送院會。保留。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:12.025455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:12.298182+08:00","text":"第 72案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:12.843636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:13.116364+08:00","text":"第 73案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:13.661818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:13.934545+08:00","text":"第 74案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:14.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:16.080000+08:00","text":"第 75案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:16.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:21.194286+08:00","text":"第 76案，凍結百分之五，王安祥委員提的，金管會有意見嗎？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:24.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:26.273333+08:00","text":"第 76案可不可以改成主決議？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:26.273333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:28.940000+08:00","text":"我們有跟王委員報告過了。","quality":0.182},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:28.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:34.297143+08:00","text":"因為這個是剛剛才拿到的，他們的建議是改一些文字。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:34.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:43.252500+08:00","text":"因為這個涉及到打詐，我只是\n凍結 5%，希望給一個書面報告就可以，金管會是不是可以同意？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:46.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:50.933333+08:00","text":"凍結 5%，然後書面報告，這個彭主委應該可以接受吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:50.933333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:51.933333+08:00","text":"可以，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:51.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:52.850000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 5%書面報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:53.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:54.100000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 77案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:54.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:54.850000+08:00","text":"第 78案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:55.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:55.600000+08:00","text":"協 7\n第 79案通刪。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:56.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:56.433333+08:00","text":"第 80案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:57.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:46:57.433333+08:00","text":"第 81案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:46:58.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:04.470000+08:00","text":"第 82案台灣民眾黨團所提主決議，金管會請表達意見，沒有意見，照案通過。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:04.470000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:07.910000+08:00","text":"如果可以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:07.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:09.110000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:10.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:11.224286+08:00","text":"我們照案通過。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:11.224286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:12.224286+08:00","text":"第 80案撤案。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:12.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:16.110000+08:00","text":"第 84案凍結 10%，國民黨團請表達意見。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:16.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:18.467778+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，這個請保留，謝謝。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:18.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:19.440000+08:00","text":"第 80案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:19.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:39.700000+08:00","text":"第 85 案民眾黨團跟第 86 案凍結案一起討論，還有第 87 案都是凍結銀行監理業務，台灣民眾\n黨團凍結 300萬兩案，國民黨團凍結 20%，麻煩陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:42.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:44.350000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:44.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:46.650000+08:00","text":"好，第 85案、第 86案、第 87案，國民黨團同意保留嗎？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:46.650000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:47.650000+08:00","text":"第 87案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:47.650000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:48.650000+08:00","text":"好，我們併案保留。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:47.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:52.650000+08:00","text":"好，請彭主委注意，第 88案主決議，陳超明委員所提，可以接受嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:52.650000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:53.850000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:53.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:55.600000+08:00","text":"第 88案我們照案通過。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:55.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:57.650000+08:00","text":"第 89案，陳超明委員所提，可以通過嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:57.650000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:58.650000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:57.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:47:59.450000+08:00","text":"好，照案通過。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:47:59.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:21.306667+08:00","text":"我們進入證券期貨局第 90 案、第 91 案、第 92 案併案討論，台灣民眾黨團第 90 案減列 100\n萬，第 91 案凍結 200 萬，第 92 案凍結 100 萬，陳總召，請三案併同表達意見，你的麥克風壓\n一下，壓一下麥克風。保留。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:21.306667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:24.290000+08:00","text":"第 90案、第 91案、第 92案通通保留？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:24.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:25.090000+08:00","text":"對，通通保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:25.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:27.004286+08:00","text":"我們三案併保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:27.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:31.040000+08:00","text":"進入第 93案保險局，陳菁徽委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:31.512222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:34.090000+08:00","text":"第 94案，台灣民眾黨團凍結 100萬，請表達意見。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:38.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:39.183333+08:00","text":"我們保留。保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:39.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:45.350000+08:00","text":"協 8\n第 95案檢查局，蘇清泉專案凍結 20%，國民黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:45.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:46.683333+08:00","text":"好，第 95案保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:48.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:48:52.380000+08:00","text":"謝謝金管會、謝謝彭主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:48:52.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:49:02.123333+08:00","text":"我們進入教育及文化委員會，所有審查過的各列席官員麻煩請離場好嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:49:02.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:49:04.040000+08:00","text":"我們空間不大，謝\n謝大家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:49:14.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:18.310000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝各位黨團幹部，現在列席的第一位，我們歡迎中央研究院陳院長、故宮博物院蕭院\n長、核能安全委員會陳主委。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:22.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:25.397778+08:00","text":"教育部鄭部長還沒有到，沒關係，我們先進入「中央研究院」的\n部分。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:27.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:30.584348+08:00","text":"我們進入第 1款「總統府主管」第 5項「中央研究院」。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:30.758261+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:32.280000+08:00","text":"第 1案翁曉玲委員所提通刪。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:32.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:39.126154+08:00","text":"第 2案翁曉玲委員所提改減列 850萬元。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:39.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:43.049231+08:00","text":"第 3案翁曉玲委員所提改減列 100萬元。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:43.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:46.113333+08:00","text":"第 4案翁曉玲委員所提改減列 5,000萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:46.113333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:47.113333+08:00","text":"第 5案翁曉玲委員所提減列 3,000萬元。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:46.946667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:47.280000+08:00","text":"第 6案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:47.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:49.953333+08:00","text":"第 7案改減列 100萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:50.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:51.953333+08:00","text":"第 8案改減列 100萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:52.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:53.120000+08:00","text":"第 9案通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:53.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:54.120000+08:00","text":"第 10案通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:54.453333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:55.120000+08:00","text":"第 11案通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:55.453333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:56.120000+08:00","text":"第 12案通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:56.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:52:58.995000+08:00","text":"更正第 8案改減列 150萬元。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:52:59.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:01.786667+08:00","text":"第 13案改減列 50萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:02.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:04.786667+08:00","text":"第 14案改減列 100萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:05.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:06.120000+08:00","text":"第 15案通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:07.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:15.837143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝陳院長，謝謝中央研究院所屬各級官員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:16.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:24.040000+08:00","text":"我們進入「故宮博物院」，蕭院長請坐。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:25.097143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:28.040000+08:00","text":"第 16案賴士葆委員減列「一般行政」50萬元。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:28.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:30.990000+08:00","text":"第 17案黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:31.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:33.115000+08:00","text":"第 18案黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:33.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:36.017778+08:00","text":"第 19案林倩綺委員改主決議。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:36.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:37.906667+08:00","text":"好，謝謝蕭院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:39.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:44.880000+08:00","text":"我們進入「核能安全委員會」，麻煩請陳主委，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:48.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:49.858182+08:00","text":"謝謝陳主委，看到你很親切。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:51.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:54.790000+08:00","text":"第 20案黃仁委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:53:55.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:53:57.808182+08:00","text":"第 21案賴士葆委員改凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:02.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:08.425714+08:00","text":"協 9\n第 22 案翁曉玲委員改減列「原子能科學發展」500 萬元，科目自行調整；凍結 600 萬元，交\n書面報告。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:09.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:11.440000+08:00","text":"第 23案黃仁委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:12.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:13.540000+08:00","text":"第 24案黃仁委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:14.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:18.197778+08:00","text":"好，謝謝核能安全委員會陳主委。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:21.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:22.160000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:22.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:24.267143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，我們進入「教育部」。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:24.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:25.660000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:29.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:42.827778+08:00","text":"鄭部長請就座，謝謝教育部列席官員。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:43.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:45.800000+08:00","text":"第 25案高金素梅委員改主決議。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:46.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:48.827778+08:00","text":"第 26案翁曉玲委員通刪項目。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:49.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:49.925000+08:00","text":"第 27案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:51.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:51.800000+08:00","text":"第 28案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:53.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:53.800000+08:00","text":"第 29案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:53.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:56.425000+08:00","text":"第 30案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:56.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:54:59.050000+08:00","text":"第 31案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:54:59.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:03.800000+08:00","text":"第 32案台灣民眾黨黨團減列 500萬元、凍結 20%，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:04.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:08.116667+08:00","text":"這一案教育部有特別溝通過，這一案改主決議。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:10.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:11.550000+08:00","text":"第 32案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:11.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:15.657143+08:00","text":"我們進入第 33案，台灣民眾黨黨團凍結 5億元，麻煩請表達意見。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:16.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:18.180000+08:00","text":"這一案我們主張保留。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:18.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:19.263333+08:00","text":"第 33案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:20.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:21.230000+08:00","text":"第 34案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:22.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:26.630000+08:00","text":"第 35案凍結 6,000萬元，請民眾黨黨團表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:27.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:28.230000+08:00","text":"第 36案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:28.858571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:33.370000+08:00","text":"第 37案陳昭姿委員凍結 5,000萬元。保留。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:33.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:34.970000+08:00","text":"第 37案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:34.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:36.058889+08:00","text":"第 38案陳昭姿委員改主決議。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:36.631538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:38.016154+08:00","text":"第 39案黃仁委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:38.836667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:55:44.540000+08:00","text":"第 40案蔡春綢委員凍結 8,000萬元，目前蔡委員在現場，請簡短扼要表達意見。協 10","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-08-04T14:55:46.093846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:08.773333+08:00","text":"這是一個新興項目，高教對於無人機的產學合作，我們希望教育部能夠提出一個計畫\n，讓我們知道究竟是哪一些學校，包括課程、師培也希望能夠提出一個完整的計畫書出來，那\n我們到時候就可以解凍，以上。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"徐副司長振邦","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:15.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:38.060000+08:00","text":"感謝委員支持，我們今年編的預算主要是從教育方面著手，因為現在無人機 STEM\n非常重視跨域人才培育，其實我們在各個教育階段別有不同的設計，除了啟發同學的科普以外\n，我們在高職和大專的階段……其實我們編這個預算是希望學生可以在應用技術上成長，這個\n部分是蠻重要的預算，請支持，謝謝。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:38.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:38.926667+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:39.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:42.117143+08:00","text":"教育部的意思是改提書面報告，蔡委員能接受嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:43.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:45.278182+08:00","text":"我覺得這是一個新興計畫……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:47.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:51.960000+08:00","text":"我覺得還是維持我原來的……好。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:52.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:53.260000+08:00","text":"第 40案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:53.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:56:57.260000+08:00","text":"進入第 41案國民黨黨團所提減列 7,910萬，請表達意見。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T14:56:57.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:57:24.626667+08:00","text":"這筆預算在預算書裡面沒有看到採購數量、機型規格、單價估算及補助學校的具體內\n容，而且沒有看到任何的教師培訓、師資認證及後續成效的評估規則，如果配套不足，恐怕整\n個設備的採購事後無法充分運用，而且只是以推廣，而沒有見到具體的課程規劃、培育機制、\n人才培育目標及跟績效評估，所以我在這邊減列七千九百餘萬，凍結 50%。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:57:28.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:57:30.200000+08:00","text":"主席，我可以先發言嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:57:32.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:57:52.438182+08:00","text":"針對剛剛民眾黨蔡春綢委員要凍 8,000 萬那個案子，我們注意一下，這兩個案子都是高\n等教育等，然後都是無人機，一個是民眾黨黨團凍 8,000 萬，但其實總預算才一億五，我不是說\n它少，我的意思是你凍了超過一半。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:57:52.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:58:03.370000+08:00","text":"然後國民黨黨團是完全刪了 7,910 萬，還要凍 50%，刪\n7,910 萬等於完全就不要進行了，我覺得非常不合理。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:58:03.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:58:35.370000+08:00","text":"我不知道兩位有沒有跟教育部索資，如果\n你去索資的話，會發現這個計畫其實是 115年到 117年關於學生對於無人機的基礎知能及遠距無\n人機的協作能力，針對不管是高中、大專院校都有不同的計畫，而且教育部已經辦理了 115年度\n的計畫徵件，有 64 所學校、102 件計畫已經提案，並完成計畫審查。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:58:35.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:58:48.420000+08:00","text":"今年現在都 8 月了，人家\n已經提出來 102 件計畫、共 64 所學校，現在民眾黨黨團就簡單地說：不知道這是什麼；然後國\n民黨黨團說：不清楚你們的計畫內容。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:58:48.762857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:58:59.334286+08:00","text":"國民黨黨團這個提案等於整個計畫就 0 元了，因為減列\n了一半，又凍了一半，現在已經 8月，我不知道人家的計畫審查就得不到結果嗎？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T14:58:59.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:29.508889+08:00","text":"我要講的事情是這個如果沒有通過所造成的影響，我們都說無人機不是只有產業，也有\n下一代的人才培育，這麼多人都期待學習無人機、能夠進行教學，也希望有設備的建置，這麼\n多所學校、64 所學校都已經提案了，我不知道為什麼在這個時刻，兩位、兩黨有沒有跟教育部\n協 11\n索資、了解內容，就在這裡任意地刪凍的話，我真的覺得不能接受。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:29.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:31.397778+08:00","text":"好，謝謝范雲委員的發言。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:32.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:34.420000+08:00","text":"第 40案、第 41案沒有辦法達成共識，我們先保留。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:34.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:37.389231+08:00","text":"第 42案台灣民眾黨黨團所提凍結 1億元。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:37.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:39.370000+08:00","text":"陳總召，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:39.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:40.370000+08:00","text":"好，第 42案保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:40.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:44.370000+08:00","text":"第 43案賴士葆委員減列 80萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:44.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:46.220000+08:00","text":"第 44案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:46.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:47.420000+08:00","text":"第 45案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:47.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:49.220000+08:00","text":"第 46案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:49.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:53.312308+08:00","text":"第 47案林思銘委員所提改凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:53.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T14:59:57.718182+08:00","text":"第 48案書面，謝衣鳯委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T14:59:57.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:00.438462+08:00","text":"第 49案台灣民眾黨黨團所提凍結 1,000萬。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:00.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:02.650000+08:00","text":"陳總召，請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:04.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:09.190000+08:00","text":"教育部如果有意見，我們就保留，不同意，我們就保留。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:10.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:12.060000+08:00","text":"好，教育部，請表達意見，同意、不同意？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:13.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:14.153333+08:00","text":"我們配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:14.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:16.120000+08:00","text":"配合辦理，我們凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:16.653333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:22.628889+08:00","text":"第 50案台灣民眾黨黨團所提凍結 1,000萬元，您的講法是不是一樣？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:22.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:23.490000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:23.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:27.525714+08:00","text":"配合辦理，好，教育部的講法還是一樣，我們凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:28.328235+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:30.092941+08:00","text":"進行第 4目「終身教育」。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:30.387059+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:32.445882+08:00","text":"第 51案黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:32.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:36.490000+08:00","text":"第 52案賴士葆委員減列 500萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:36.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:39.490000+08:00","text":"第 53案黃仁委員併委員會決議。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:39.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:41.558182+08:00","text":"第 54案台灣民眾黨黨團凍結 400萬元。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:41.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:43.540000+08:00","text":"麻煩請陳總召表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:44.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:46.470000+08:00","text":"請教育部表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:46.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:47.553333+08:00","text":"我們配合辦理。好。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:47.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:48.595000+08:00","text":"配合辦理，凍結 400萬元。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:48.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:51.447273+08:00","text":"第 55案黃仁委員併委員會決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:51.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:54.345000+08:00","text":"第 56案改凍結 100萬元，書面。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:54.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:58.453333+08:00","text":"第 57案林思銘委員減列 50萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:58.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:00:59.265455+08:00","text":"第 58案撤案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:00:59.538182+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:03.497778+08:00","text":"第 59案賴士葆委員所提減列 100萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:03.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:07.434286+08:00","text":"進入第 60案，賴士葆委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:07.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:10.120000+08:00","text":"協 12\n第 61案台灣民眾黨黨團所提凍結 1億元。","quality":0.312},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:12.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:13.860000+08:00","text":"第 62案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:14.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:16.837273+08:00","text":"第 63案減列 100萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:17.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:18.710000+08:00","text":"第 64案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:19.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:20.710000+08:00","text":"第 65案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:21.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:23.837273+08:00","text":"進入第 66案，黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:24.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:26.967143+08:00","text":"第 67案主決議文字修正，教育部有意見嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:27.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:28.620000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:28.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:29.620000+08:00","text":"好，修正通過。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:32.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:34.736667+08:00","text":"第 68案、第 69案、第 70案、第 71案這 4個案子的主決議，教育部有意見嗎？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:34.736667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:37.941538+08:00","text":"配合辦理。好。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:37.941538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:41.260000+08:00","text":"第 72案、第 73案修正文字，教育部有意見嗎？沒有。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:41.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:43.578182+08:00","text":"好，修正文字修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:43.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:45.578182+08:00","text":"第 74案主決議，教育部有意見嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:45.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:46.760000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:47.032727+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:49.214545+08:00","text":"我們進入歲出「國民及學前教育」。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:49.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:50.617143+08:00","text":"第 75撤案。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:51.045714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:52.331429+08:00","text":"第 76案主決議。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:52.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:53.760000+08:00","text":"第 77案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:54.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:54.510000+08:00","text":"第 78案撤案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:54.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:57.160000+08:00","text":"第 79案減列 2億元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:01:57.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:01:58.635000+08:00","text":"陳總召，請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:01.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:02.177143+08:00","text":"教育部的意見呢？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:06.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:17.123333+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，跟委員報告，減列 2億元會嚴重影響到地方政府執行相關的案子，所以是\n不是容我們說明一下，這個剛剛蔡委員也有提到，是不是……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:17.123333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:19.735000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:19.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:22.310000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們還有二輪，我們就保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:26.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:27.943333+08:00","text":"第 80案邱鎮軍委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:27.943333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:28.943333+08:00","text":"第 81案邱鎮軍委員所提改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:28.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:35.887778+08:00","text":"第 82案國民黨所提減列 2億 3,242萬元，請國民黨團表達意見。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:36.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:37.985000+08:00","text":"理由同上，如果有異議就保留。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:39.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:02:40.538571+08:00","text":"主席，我要再講……","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:02:42.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:03:02.837273+08:00","text":"第 82 案又是無人機，而這個無人機是關於教育的部分，剛剛是高教的，這個是國教的\n，列了四億六千多萬，你們減列、刪了 2 億 3,000 萬，然後還要凍兩億三千多萬，等於又是讓他\n零元。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:03:03.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:03:22.910000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛講了，今年度的計畫都已經執行了，有很多的學校來申請，搞不好也會有你們\n黨團幹部選區的學校來申請，我不曉得國民黨團提這個案子的用意，因為剛剛他們都沒有說明\n，所以是教育部給你的資料不夠，還是你要有怎麼樣的說明？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:03:23.332222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:03:41.910000+08:00","text":"就如同我剛剛講的，今天你們如\n果要以所謂無人機特別條例為由的話，那其實涉及到的是國防部的採購或者是產業的支持，而\n這邊是涉及教育的部分，所以沒有理由以那邊還沒有定案，這裡就要刪減。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:03:42.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:04:01.802308+08:00","text":"這麼重要的經費，\n讓我們下一個世代對無人機的教育、發展有所了解，也都需要器材，也需要培訓，那麼多學校\n熱心申請，為什麼藍白都不說出具體的理由就予以刪凍，特別是國民黨還刪一半、凍一半，簡\n直今年度就是零預算啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:04:02.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:04:03.110000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝范雲委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:04:04.395714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:04:12.776667+08:00","text":"容我提醒一下，第 82案、第 83案、第 84案是併案討論，第 84案邱鎮\n軍委員所提已經改主決議，所以第 82案、第 83案我們就併案討論。","quality":0.622},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:04:13.340769+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:04:15.879231+08:00","text":"林沛祥委員要求二次發言，請發言。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T15:04:16.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:11.110000+08:00","text":"老實說，如果針對無人機的話，其實每個無人機的規格、操作、資格跟使用限制都不\n太一樣，我們是希望教育部能夠將採購規格跟師資培訓等各方面講清楚之後，才來撥這筆預算\n，這才是比較可行的，再加上假設同樣的機種，從小學一路到高中、高職都是如此，其實這也\n是讓人覺得很奇怪的事情，我們期待這筆預算真的能夠落地，我們期待這筆預算真的有效益出\n來，所以我們在這邊有提到，採購規格是否符合校園實際教學需求，是否整個課程有提出來，\n我們在這邊與其一直說無人機、無人機，倒不如說出無人機的課程如何真正的落地，甚至教小\n朋友跟教高中生的東西是完全不一樣的，這樣專業的人才是需要訓練的，但是我們在這個預算\n書裡面並沒有看得很清楚，所以保留。好。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:11.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:14.824286+08:00","text":"蔡春綢委員您可以發言，因為第 83案是您提的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:15.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:34.413333+08:00","text":"教育部來說明的時候，我已經跟他說得很清楚，我們希望看到你的計畫書裡面有師培\n、有課程、有哪些學校、是不是分配正義等等，針對這些我們希望能夠提出一個很具體的計畫\n書，提出後我們就予以解凍。謝謝。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:35.413333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:36.955000+08:00","text":"第 82案、第 83案我們就先保留起來。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:37.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:38.794286+08:00","text":"第 84案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:39.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:39.880000+08:00","text":"第 85案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:40.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:41.680000+08:00","text":"第 86案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:42.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:44.830000+08:00","text":"第 87案魯明哲委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:45.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:47.780000+08:00","text":"第 88案李彥秀委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:48.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:05:49.880000+08:00","text":"第 89案馬文君委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:05:50.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:01.290000+08:00","text":"第 90案台灣民眾黨團提議凍結 4,000萬元，請陳總召表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:01.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:03.456667+08:00","text":"第 90案，我們先保留。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:03.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:04.251538+08:00","text":"協 14\n第 91案撤案。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:04.482308+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:06.559231+08:00","text":"第 92案馬文君委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:06.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:08.590000+08:00","text":"第 93案邱鎮軍委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:08.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:10.590000+08:00","text":"第 94案邱鎮軍委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:10.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:11.456667+08:00","text":"第 95案撤案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:11.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:12.456667+08:00","text":"第 96案撤案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:15.798571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:18.155714+08:00","text":"第 97案陳超明委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:18.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:22.170000+08:00","text":"第 98案台灣民眾黨團所提凍結 3,000萬元，請表達意見。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:22.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:25.370000+08:00","text":"我們第 98案跟第 99案……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:27.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:29.084286+08:00","text":"我們就併案凍結 3,000萬。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:29.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:30.084286+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:30.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:31.084286+08:00","text":"好，教育部同意，第 98案、第 99案併案，我們凍結 3,000萬元。","quality":0.158},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:31.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:32.084286+08:00","text":"第 100案賴士葆委員所提減列 100萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:32.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:33.084286+08:00","text":"第 101案邱鎮軍委員所提改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:33.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:34.084286+08:00","text":"第 102案撤案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:34.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:35.084286+08:00","text":"第 103案撤案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:35.084286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:36.084286+08:00","text":"第 104案黃仁委員所提改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:30.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:31.855000+08:00","text":"第 105案、第 106案兩案的主決議，請教育部表達意見。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:31.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:32.730000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:33.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:56.567143+08:00","text":"好，第 107案、第 108案修正文字，請教育部表達意見。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:56.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:06:57.460000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:06:57.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:03.460000+08:00","text":"好，我們修正通過。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:03.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:05.543333+08:00","text":"第 109案主決議，請教育部表達意見。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:05.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:06.460000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:06.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:07.852857+08:00","text":"好，我們進入歲出部分。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:08.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:11.510000+08:00","text":"教育部青年發展署第 110案改主決議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:11.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:13.210000+08:00","text":"第 111案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:13.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:14.460000+08:00","text":"第 112案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:14.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:16.210000+08:00","text":"第 113案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:19.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:20.350000+08:00","text":"第 114案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:20.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:25.100000+08:00","text":"第 115案台灣民眾黨黨團所提凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:25.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:29.475000+08:00","text":"第 116案兩案併案討論，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:31.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:33.809231+08:00","text":"如果教育部有意見，我們就保留。協 15","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:34.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:36.825714+08:00","text":"好，請教育部表達意見，就是凍結 1,000萬元兩案。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:38.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:38.590000+08:00","text":"我們尊重……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:38.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:41.250000+08:00","text":"併凍啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:41.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:51.019231+08:00","text":"我們對無人機都是併案一起來提詳細的計畫報告，然後再請委員支持。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:51.019231+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:07:54.780000+08:00","text":"好，兩案併案凍結。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:07:54.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:03.580000+08:00","text":"部長，對於第 115案跟第 116 案這兩案，現在台灣民眾黨黨團提凍結 1,000 萬元，麻煩教育\n部表達部裡面的態度。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:05.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:39.090000+08:00","text":"因為事實上整個無人機，我們就在人才培育直接撥到各地方縣市政府、中小學裡面，\n做許多人才培育，包括寓教於樂，還有一些比賽的相關經費，所以我們當然會希望從人才培育\n做起，也對這個產業未來……因為我們知道像堰塞湖用無人機進行監測，還有我們農業產業中\n農藥的噴灑等等，現在整個無人機的……","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:40.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:40.690000+08:00","text":"談教育好不好？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:41.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:45.190000+08:00","text":"還有包含這個產業的人才培育，我想……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:45.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:46.356667+08:00","text":"我們就保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:47.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:50.876667+08:00","text":"那就回到蔡春綢委員剛剛關心的人才培育，對不對？對。對。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:51.495714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:08:52.924286+08:00","text":"好，我們就先保留第 115案、第 116案。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:08:53.543333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:00.056154+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭部長，謝謝教育部所有列席的官員，謝謝。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:00.056154+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:01.890000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:01.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:06.556667+08:00","text":"我們現在進入運動部，麻煩請運動部李部長，請坐，謝謝李部長。","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:22.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:24.393333+08:00","text":"第 117案高金素梅委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:24.393333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:26.560000+08:00","text":"第 118案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:26.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:29.329231+08:00","text":"第 119案鄭天財委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:29.329231+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:31.560000+08:00","text":"第 120案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:31.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:33.378182+08:00","text":"第 121案陳菁徽委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:33.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:38.702857+08:00","text":"第 122 案賴士葆委員所提減列 50 萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:39.131429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:09:46.310000+08:00","text":"第 123 案台灣民眾黨黨團所提減列\n500萬元，凍結 20%，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:09:48.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:05.905000+08:00","text":"對本案運動部有來溝通，我們還是要減列 500萬，但是我們可以更改凍結數，文字修\n正為 10%，就是凍結數改為 10%，然後提出書面報告。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:06.750588+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:14.113333+08:00","text":"運動部，現在陳總召的意思是減列 500 萬元，凍結改為 10%，然後書面報告，請問一下運\n動部的意見。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:16.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:37.440000+08:00","text":"跟院長還有總召報告，對於運動中心連結網站這個部分，未來我們會督促各個縣市政府\n即時更新資訊，後續我們也會將外部連結之有效性跟正當性建立它的巡檢機制，不知道可不可\n以建議併入委員會的初審結果，然後凍結 100萬？協 16","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:37.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:42.440000+08:00","text":"李部長的意思是併委員會去凍結 100萬元。保留。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:42.440000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:43.440000+08:00","text":"好，第 123案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:42.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:46.673333+08:00","text":"第 124案賴士葆委員所提減列 80萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:47.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:49.540000+08:00","text":"第 125案林倩綺委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:50.203636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:54.697143+08:00","text":"第 126案台灣民眾黨黨團所提凍結 20%，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:10:57.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:10:59.830000+08:00","text":"本案如果教育部有意見，我們也保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:00.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:02.807273+08:00","text":"如果運動部有意見，我們也保留。呃……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:06.756667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:09.978889+08:00","text":"沒關係，你就講能不能接受，如果不能接受，我們就先保留，沒有問題。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:10.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:19.978889+08:00","text":"好，我們想表達意見，我們是真的有在做，現在正在修國民體育法等相關法規，如果總\n召有意見，那就保留沒有關係。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:20.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:22.913529+08:00","text":"專案報告改書面報告，你們也不接受嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:24.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:26.136667+08:00","text":"書面報告可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:26.136667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:33.610000+08:00","text":"凍結 10%，專案報告改書面報告。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:33.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:37.010000+08:00","text":"凍結 10%，提書面報告，李部長應該沒有問題吧？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:37.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:37.987778+08:00","text":"這個應該可以接受。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:37.987778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:38.987778+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:38.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:39.126667+08:00","text":"你們已經在做了，你們也要做了啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:39.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:39.960000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:40.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:42.028182+08:00","text":"好，第 126案就凍結 10%，提書面報告。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:43.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:45.210000+08:00","text":"第 127案撤案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:45.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:47.614615+08:00","text":"第 128案撤案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:47.614615+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:11:55.370000+08:00","text":"第 129案台灣民眾黨陳昭姿委員凍結 500萬元，請陳總召表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:11:56.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:03.480000+08:00","text":"第 130案羅明才委員凍結 20%，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:05.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:05.880000+08:00","text":"第 131案游顥委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:06.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:08.091111+08:00","text":"第 132案許忠信委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:08.313333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:13.744706+08:00","text":"第 133案主決議，文字修正，請運動部表達意見，能不能接受？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:16.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:17.160000+08:00","text":"可以，遵照辦理。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:18.517143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:19.374286+08:00","text":"修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:19.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:21.478182+08:00","text":"第 134案主決議洪孟楷委員所提，請運動部表達意見。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:21.478182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:23.660000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:23.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:26.231429+08:00","text":"好，第 134案通過。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:26.231429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:28.445714+08:00","text":"協 17\n第 135案通刪。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:28.445714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:30.660000+08:00","text":"第 136案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:30.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:39.810000+08:00","text":"第 137案凍結 10%，羅明才委員所提，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:39.810000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:40.810000+08:00","text":"第 137案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:40.810000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:41.810000+08:00","text":"第 138案撤案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:41.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:44.010000+08:00","text":"第 139案減列 300萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:44.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:48.976667+08:00","text":"第 140案賴士葆委員所提減列 200萬，科目自行調整。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:48.976667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:51.560000+08:00","text":"第 141案撤案。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:51.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:12:54.893333+08:00","text":"第 142案減列 60萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:12:56.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:00.837143+08:00","text":"謝謝李部長，謝謝運動部所有的列席官員。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:01.202222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:13.360000+08:00","text":"我們進入文化部，謝謝李部長，請坐。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:14.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:18.410000+08:00","text":"第 143案文化部主管通刪。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:18.410000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:19.610000+08:00","text":"第 144案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:19.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:24.110000+08:00","text":"第 145案翁曉玲委員減列 2,000萬，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:24.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:25.110000+08:00","text":"第 145案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:24.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:27.110000+08:00","text":"第 146案翁曉玲委員減列 500萬。保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:27.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:28.110000+08:00","text":"第 146案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:27.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:33.110000+08:00","text":"第 147案翁曉玲委員所提減列 588萬。保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:34.943333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:41.610000+08:00","text":"第 148案改主決議；\n第 149案減列 150萬元，翁曉玲委員所提。保留。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:42.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:47.716667+08:00","text":"第 150案減列 50萬。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:49.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:51.570000+08:00","text":"第 151案減列 150萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:55.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:13:58.143333+08:00","text":"第 152案翁曉玲委員所提減列 350萬，請國民黨黨團。保留。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:13:58.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:00.855455+08:00","text":"第 153案翁曉玲委員所提減列 1,600萬。保留。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:00.855455+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:02.532727+08:00","text":"第 154案翁曉玲委員所提減列 2,700萬。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:02.532727+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:04.210000+08:00","text":"第 155案翁曉玲委員所提減列 200萬。保留。協 18","quality":0.267},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:04.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:16.710000+08:00","text":"第 156案翁曉玲委員所提減列 800萬。保留。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:17.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:19.043333+08:00","text":"李部長有沒有寶貴意見要講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:19.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:20.098889+08:00","text":"我們先處理第一輪的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:23.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:28.620000+08:00","text":"從第 145案，我希望跟委員辦公室溝通後改主決議。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:29.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:32.420000+08:00","text":"好，我們先保留，還有時間，謝謝李部長。謝謝。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:32.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:37.120000+08:00","text":"第 157案減列 3,200萬元，翁曉玲委員所提。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:37.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:38.120000+08:00","text":"第 157案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:37.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:41.120000+08:00","text":"第 158案翁曉玲委員所提減列 500萬。保留。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:41.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:42.703333+08:00","text":"第 158案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:42.703333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:44.286667+08:00","text":"第 159案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:44.286667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:44.953333+08:00","text":"第 160案減列 100萬。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:45.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:46.620000+08:00","text":"第 161案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:46.620000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:48.620000+08:00","text":"第 162案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:48.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:50.220000+08:00","text":"第 163案改主決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:50.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:51.620000+08:00","text":"第 164案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:52.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:53.120000+08:00","text":"第 165案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:53.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:54.620000+08:00","text":"第 166案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:55.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:56.620000+08:00","text":"第 167案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:57.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:14:58.620000+08:00","text":"第 168案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:14:59.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:02.120000+08:00","text":"第 169案減列 1,000萬元。保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:02.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:03.953333+08:00","text":"第 169案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:04.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:06.220000+08:00","text":"第 170案減列 200萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:06.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:07.620000+08:00","text":"第 171案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:09.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:10.620000+08:00","text":"第 172案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:10.620000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:11.620000+08:00","text":"第 173案通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:11.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:13.220000+08:00","text":"第 174案改主決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:13.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:14.120000+08:00","text":"第 175案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:14.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:15.620000+08:00","text":"第 176案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:16.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:19.953333+08:00","text":"第 177案改主決議。第 178案……保留。協 19","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:20.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:22.466154+08:00","text":"第 178案國民黨黨團翁曉玲委員所提保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:22.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:26.120000+08:00","text":"第 179案翁曉玲委員所提減列 900萬。保留。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:26.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:30.120000+08:00","text":"第 180案翁曉玲委員所提減列 2億 1,000萬。保留。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:30.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:31.953333+08:00","text":"第 180案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:32.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:36.120000+08:00","text":"第 181案翁曉玲委員所提減列 2,500萬。保留。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:36.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:38.801818+08:00","text":"第 181案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:38.801818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:40.438182+08:00","text":"第 182案鄭天財委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:42.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:44.013333+08:00","text":"第 183案鄭天財委員所提改主決議。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:44.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:44.680000+08:00","text":"第 184案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:45.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:45.680000+08:00","text":"第 185案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:46.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:51.055000+08:00","text":"第 186案陳昭姿委員所提凍結 1,000萬，請陳總召表達意見。保留。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:54.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:15:55.696364+08:00","text":"第 186案文化部有沒有表達意見？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:15:59.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:02.740000+08:00","text":"我有跟他溝通過，建議凍結第 4目 300萬。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:09.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:11.073333+08:00","text":"第 186案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:13.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:14.533333+08:00","text":"第 186案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:15.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:18.866667+08:00","text":"第 187案賴士葆委員所提減列 80萬，科目自行調整。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:19.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:23.866667+08:00","text":"第 188案賴士葆委員所提減列 80萬，科目自行調整。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:24.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:25+08:00","text":"第 189案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:25.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:26.800000+08:00","text":"第 190案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:27.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:28.800000+08:00","text":"第 191案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:29.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:30.914286+08:00","text":"第 192案併委員會決議。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:31.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:34.033333+08:00","text":"第 193案減列 200萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:34.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:35.914286+08:00","text":"第 194案併委員會決議。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:36.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:16:42.018182+08:00","text":"第 195案台灣民眾黨所提減列 2億元，凍結 1億元，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:16:43.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:05.700000+08:00","text":"這個案子我們也了解，在文化創業產業，文化部部長也曾經在委員會有表達過，我們\n看到文化部部長在委員會的表達，我們也覺得整個發展業務的投資不當，所以我們在這邊減列 2\n億，凍結 1億。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:07.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:09.196154+08:00","text":"如果文化部有意見，我們就保留。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:12.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:17.156667+08:00","text":"我們建議減列 300萬，建議不要減列。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:17.961818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:21.113333+08:00","text":"顯然沒有辦法達成共識，我們就保留。協 20保留。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:21.446667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:24.280000+08:00","text":"第 196案羅智強委員所提凍結 20%。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:24.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:26.580000+08:00","text":"麻煩請羅智強委員發言。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:28.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:29.160000+08:00","text":"一樣，保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:30.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:31.810000+08:00","text":"羅智強委員所提的第 196案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:32.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:35.438571+08:00","text":"第 197案黃仁委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:35.724286+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:40.010000+08:00","text":"第 198案翁曉玲委員所提減列 300萬元，凍結 30%。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:40.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:41.810000+08:00","text":"請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:44.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:44.950000+08:00","text":"第 198案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:45.921429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:51.168182+08:00","text":"現在進入第 199案，國民黨黨團所提減列 9億 8,000萬元，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:57.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:17:58.510000+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:17:59.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:18:02.828182+08:00","text":"第 200案台灣民眾黨黨團減列 3億元，凍結 3億元，請表達意見。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:18:08.046667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:18:22.880000+08:00","text":"第 200案最主要是我們對文化部公視董事的違法延任，還有公視自籌費用下滑，從自\n籌的 15%下滑到 8%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:18:23.665714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:18:48.073333+08:00","text":"另外，包括 TaiwanPlus的狀況，我想也都沒有達到應有的效益，經過我們\n的溝通，黨團這邊可以同意減列 1.2億，凍結 2億。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:18:49.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:18:54.994286+08:00","text":"原來是減列 3億，改減列 2億；凍結 3億，\n改凍結 2億。謝謝。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:18:58.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:14.713333+08:00","text":"陳總召，第 200案、第 201案、第 202案及第 203案，國民黨團的已經併委員會了，\n所以第 200案、第 201案及第 202案，您提出減列 1.2億元，凍結 2億元，請文化部表達意見。","quality":0.642},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:16.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:18.076667+08:00","text":"希望不要減列，凍結 2,000萬……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:18.076667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:23.910000+08:00","text":"第 200案、第 201案、第 202案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:23.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:26.210000+08:00","text":"進入第 204案，黃仁委員所提併委員會決議。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:26.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:31.550000+08:00","text":"第 205案王鴻薇委員減列 1,000萬元，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:31.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:32.550000+08:00","text":"好，我們保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:32.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:39.400000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 206案，羅智強委員減列 5,000萬，請羅智強委員表達意見。保留。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:39.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:43.237857+08:00","text":"好，第 206案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:43.237857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:47.075714+08:00","text":"第 207案翁曉玲委員所提減列 2,185萬元，凍結 2億元，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:47.075714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:50.913571+08:00","text":"好，第 207案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:50.913571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:19:54.751429+08:00","text":"第 208案蔡春綢委員所提凍結 1億元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-08-04T15:19:54.751429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:01.980000+08:00","text":"有關於公視董事會的遴選，在委員會很遺憾跟李部長沒有達成共識……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:02.513333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:09.816364+08:00","text":"現在我們請李部長依你的方式，產生董事會，我就解凍，以上。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:12.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:45.870000+08:00","text":"如果是用公視董事會沒有組成的理由來刪減我們的話，這點我要稍微解釋，因為我們已\n經推出適當人選有 10 位，但是國民黨所推出的審查委員 8 個人都辭職了，其實 5 月 3 號行政院\n已經發函給立法院，希望重新產生 8 位評審，所以重新組成委員會的理由，不是我們文化部可\n以做到，因為我已經做到了。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:46.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:46.520000+08:00","text":"好的、好的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:46.653333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:47.986667+08:00","text":"蔡春綢委員，對文化部李部長的回復，你有沒有補充意見？","quality":0.435},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:50.923077+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:51.846154+08:00","text":"還是你堅持保留？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:53.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:20:54.506667+08:00","text":"沒有的話，你就告訴我。保留。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:20:57.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:21:08.770000+08:00","text":"我還是要說明一下，第一個，如果公共電視跟英國的 BBC 或日本的公共電視相比的話\n，臺灣公共電視的經費真的已經是不夠了。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:21:09.686667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:21:36.162857+08:00","text":"現在如果是依照民眾黨蔡委員的理由，我真的覺得\n罪不在文化部，絕對也不是在公視，蔡委員如果真的關心公視為什麼人選產生出現困境的話，\n你可以去了解，我記得最近一次審查委員退出的，好像都是藍白推薦的委員，當然，如果我記\n憶有錯的話，也請你了解。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:21:36.448571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:21:48.770000+08:00","text":"之前小野部長已經提出非常多中性的董監事人選，結果沒有一個人\n通過，我想他已經進入一個非常難提名的狀況……","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:21:49.305714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:21:58.820000+08:00","text":"這個本末倒置，現在回來懲罰公共電視跟支持公共電視的人，其經費不足，沒辦法看到\n更好的節目。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:21:59.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:10.353333+08:00","text":"相關的連署，64 小時內有超過 10 萬個民眾連署，還是請藍白為了公共電視，不要\n刪凍，以上。謝謝。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:11.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:12.020000+08:00","text":"第 208案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:12.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:13.020000+08:00","text":"第 209案台灣民眾黨團凍結 2,000萬元，陳總召有意見嗎？保留。","quality":0.045},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:13.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:14.020000+08:00","text":"第 209案保留。第 210案。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:14.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:15.020000+08:00","text":"第 210案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:15.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:16.020000+08:00","text":"第 211案併委員會決議辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:16.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:17.020000+08:00","text":"第 212案減列 100萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:17.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:18.020000+08:00","text":"第 213案改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:18.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:19.020000+08:00","text":"第 214案凍結 300萬元，書面。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:19.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:20.020000+08:00","text":"第 215案主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:20.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:21.020000+08:00","text":"第 216案主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:21.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:22.020000+08:00","text":"第 217案通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:22.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:23.020000+08:00","text":"第 218案主決議，請文化部表達意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:23.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:24.020000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。協 22","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:24.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:25.020000+08:00","text":"第 218案我們通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:13.242222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:14.797778+08:00","text":"第 219案台灣民眾黨團凍結 500萬元，書面。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:23.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:24.110000+08:00","text":"第 220案黃仁委員改主決議。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:24.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:28.360000+08:00","text":"第 221案通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:28.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:28.610000+08:00","text":"第 222案改主決議。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:22:28.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:22:39.950000+08:00","text":"第 223案凍結 200萬元，洪毓祥委員請發言。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:04.448571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:15.770000+08:00","text":"理由就如同我們這邊寫的一樣，因為我問過這些業者在模型實際使用率等等的績效很\n差，業界反映不好使用，所以凍結 200萬。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:16.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:22.550000+08:00","text":"堅持凍結 200萬，麻煩請文化部表達意見，能接受凍結 200萬嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:24.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:24.550000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:25.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:26.764286+08:00","text":"好，第 223案凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:27.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:28.716667+08:00","text":"進入第 224案，改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:31.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:33.450000+08:00","text":"第 225案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:33.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:35.450000+08:00","text":"第 226案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:35.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:37.450000+08:00","text":"第 227案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:37.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:39.450000+08:00","text":"第 228案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:39.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:41.450000+08:00","text":"第 229案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:41.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:43.450000+08:00","text":"第 230案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:43.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:47.600000+08:00","text":"第 231案賴士葆委員所提，主決議，請文化部表達意見。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:48.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:49.350000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:49.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:52.490000+08:00","text":"好，通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:52.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:23:55.823333+08:00","text":"我們謝謝李部長，謝謝文化部所有列席官員。謝謝。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:23:56.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:21.586667+08:00","text":"我們進入國家科學及技術委員會，麻煩吳主委請就座，國科會請就座。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:25.843333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:28.010000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳主委，歡迎你\n。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:28.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:30.710000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 232案，改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:31.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:35.260000+08:00","text":"第 233案減列「一般行政」500萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:35.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:37.110000+08:00","text":"第 234案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:38.081429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:39.224286+08:00","text":"第 235案併委員會決議。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:39.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:41.110000+08:00","text":"第 236案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:41.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:43.110000+08:00","text":"第 237案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:43.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:45.110000+08:00","text":"第 238案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:45.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:47.110000+08:00","text":"第 239案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:47.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:49.110000+08:00","text":"第 240案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:24:49.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:24:51.224286+08:00","text":"第 241案凍結 2億元，書面。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:09.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:15.310000+08:00","text":"第 242 案、第 243 案、第 244 案、第 245 案、第 246 案、第 247 案、第 248 案、第 249 案、\n協 23\n第 250 案、第 251 案、第 252 案、第 253 案、第 254 案、第 255 案、第 256 案、第 257 案、第\n258案、第 259案、第 260案、第 261案、第 262案、第 263案，全部是陳永康委員所提的主決\n議，麻煩請國科會表達意見。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:16.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:18.616667+08:00","text":"我們遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:19.616667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:20.616667+08:00","text":"好，全部通過。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:21.616667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:30.750000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 264案，凍結 20%，許忠信委員所提，麻煩請陳總召表達意見。保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:37.297143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:38.154286+08:00","text":"黨團沒簽。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:38.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:39.940000+08:00","text":"對，黨團沒簽。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:39.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:40.940000+08:00","text":"好，保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:40.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:42.440000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 265案，通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:44.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:51.868571+08:00","text":"謝謝國科會，謝謝吳主委，謝謝你，英雄無用武之地，謝謝，請回。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:25:55.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:25:59.034286+08:00","text":"我們進行交通委員會審查，幕僚人員請就位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:26:01.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:00.930000+08:00","text":"謝謝國家通訊傳播委員會溫主秘，歡迎您。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:14.740000+08:00","text":"各位黨團幹部，我們進入第 1案萬美玲委員所提，增列 500萬元，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:14.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:16.083333+08:00","text":"第 1案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:18.531429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:19.817143+08:00","text":"其餘歲入的部分均照列。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:22.531429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:26.960000+08:00","text":"進入第 2案邱若華委員凍結 30%，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:28.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:32.810000+08:00","text":"第 3案羅智強委員凍結 30%，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:33.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:36.810000+08:00","text":"第 4案萬美玲委員所提凍結 50%。保留。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:37.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:40.810000+08:00","text":"第 5案陳清龍委員凍結 20%，請陳清龍委員表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:41.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:43.524286+08:00","text":"第 6案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:43.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:45.524286+08:00","text":"第 7案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:46.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:48.394286+08:00","text":"第 8案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:48.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:54.470000+08:00","text":"第 9案凍結 10%，魯明哲委員所提。保留。保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:54.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:27:58.820000+08:00","text":"第 10案游顥委員所提凍結 10%。協 24保留。保留。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:27:59.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:04.300000+08:00","text":"第 11案洪孟楷委員凍結 166萬元。保留。保留。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:05.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:07.050000+08:00","text":"第 12案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:07.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:10.300000+08:00","text":"第 13案凍結 30%，黃健豪委員所提。保留。保留。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:11.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:16.467143+08:00","text":"第 14案許智傑、伍麗華等人所提改主決議。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:16.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:20.943333+08:00","text":"第 15案游顥委員凍結 10%。保留。保留。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:21.276667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:27.833846+08:00","text":"第 16案國民黨黨團減列 500萬元，凍結 642萬元。保留。保留。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:27.987692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:33.841818+08:00","text":"第 17案黃健豪委員凍結 881萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:34.023636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:39.460000+08:00","text":"第 18案陳清龍委員凍結十二分之五，請陳清龍總召表達意見。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:42.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:48.256667+08:00","text":"第 18案跟第 19案其實是一致的，那我們就保留。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:49.732857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:28:50.304286+08:00","text":"第 18案、第 19案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:28:50.953636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:22.150000+08:00","text":"第 20案國民黨黨團減列 5,782萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:22.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:23.150000+08:00","text":"第 21案萬美玲委員減列 100萬元，凍結 10%。保留。保留。","quality":0.056},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:23.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:24.150000+08:00","text":"第 22案凍結 5%。保留。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:24.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:25.150000+08:00","text":"第 23案改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:25.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:26.150000+08:00","text":"第 24案民眾黨黨團減列 2,000萬、凍結 2,000萬，請表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:26.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:27.150000+08:00","text":"協 25\n第 25案陳清龍委員減列 1,000萬、凍結 30%。保留。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:27.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:28.150000+08:00","text":"第 26案國民黨黨團翁曉玲委員減列 1,000萬。保留。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:23.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:25.616667+08:00","text":"第 27案減列 80萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:27.171538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:31+08:00","text":"第 28案凍結 10%，游顥委員所提。保留。保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:31.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:32.600000+08:00","text":"第 29案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:33.163636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:33.345455+08:00","text":"第 30案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:34.254545+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:34.436364+08:00","text":"第 31案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:35.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:36.133333+08:00","text":"第 32案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:37.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:44.400000+08:00","text":"第 33到 47案所有的主決議，請國家通訊傳播委員會表達意見。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"溫主任秘書俊瑜","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:44.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:45.400000+08:00","text":"遵照委員的意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:45.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:46.940000+08:00","text":"好，就遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:49.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:52.967778+08:00","text":"謝謝您，國家通訊傳播委員會辛苦了。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:29:54.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:29:58.694286+08:00","text":"進入國家運輸安全調查委員會，林\n主任委員請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:30:24.906667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:30:33.976667+08:00","text":"第 48 案黃仁委員所提凍結 100 萬元，書面報告；第 49 案黃仁委員所提改書面報告，謝謝林\n主委。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-08-04T15:30:34.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:30:35.310000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:30:36.673636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:30:41.910000+08:00","text":"進入公共工程委員會，陳主任委員，歡迎您，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:30:43.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:30:59.310000+08:00","text":"第 50案高金素梅委員所提凍結 5%，書面報告；第 51案通刪；第 52案撤案；第 53案改主決\n議；第 54案改主決議；第 55案民眾黨黨團減列 5,000萬元，請陳總召表達意見。保留。","quality":0.644},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:01.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:17.670000+08:00","text":"第 55案保留；第 56案併同委員會決議辦理；第 57案凍結 300萬元，書面報告；第 58案凍\n結 300萬元，改書面報告；第 59案台灣民眾黨黨團減列 2,000萬元，請陳總召表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:20.003333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:24.420000+08:00","text":"第 60案主決議；第 61案主決議，請公共工程委員會表達意見。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:24.420000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:26.384286+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:26.384286+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:32.220000+08:00","text":"第 60案、第 61案遵照辦理，謝謝陳主委，謝謝您，請回。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:32.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:35.730000+08:00","text":"進入交通部，陳部長歡迎，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:43.255556+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:50.700000+08:00","text":"第 62案陳雪生委員減列 48億 6,800萬元，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:51.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:53.557143+08:00","text":"不好意思，我們有跟委員溝通過了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:54.144444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:31:57.500000+08:00","text":"陳雪生委員同意凍結十分之一，書面報告。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:31:59.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:32:05.690000+08:00","text":"對，凍結十分之一，書面報告，有跟委員溝通過，他也同意，有簽名。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:32:05.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:32:11.510000+08:00","text":"我們這邊有，這張拿給書記長看，如果可以的話，我們就這樣子。","quality":0.24},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T15:32:11.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:32:12.843333+08:00","text":"好，同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:32:14.125385+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:32:19.176667+08:00","text":"請各黨團幹部聽一下，第 62 案凍結 10%，書面報告。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:32:21.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:32:34.390000+08:00","text":"第 63 案改主決議；第 64 案通刪；第\n65 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 66 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 67 案凍結 500 萬元，請陳總召表\n達意見。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:32:44.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:32:54.630000+08:00","text":"第 67 案、第 68 案、第 69 案是陳昭姿委員跟本人所提出的凍結案，我們改凍結 500\n萬，3案併凍。","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:32:56.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:02.130000+08:00","text":"就是全部凍結 20%，第 67案、第 68案、第 69案併凍 500萬元，麻煩請陳部長表達意見。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:02.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:08.176154+08:00","text":"我們是希望能夠建請併委員會決議，因為這 3個案子其實在委員會也都……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:08.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:09.130000+08:00","text":"不同意我們就保留，部長。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:10.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:12.560000+08:00","text":"好，可以，併凍。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:12.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:20.890000+08:00","text":"第 67案、第 68案、第 69案併凍 500萬元；第 70案通刪……","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:20.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:24.223333+08:00","text":"不好意思，等一下，是不是提書面報告？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:24.223333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:25.223333+08:00","text":"加書面報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:24.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:32.640000+08:00","text":"第 71案改主決議；第 72案台灣民眾黨黨團凍結 4億 6,500萬元，請陳總召表\n達意見。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:33.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:34.990000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:38.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:40.975789+08:00","text":"建請可不可以併委員會，跟委員報告，可不可以併委員會？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:41.081053+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:49.160000+08:00","text":"因為委員會其實有做討論\n跟決議了，委員會有凍十分之一。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:49.160000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:51.530000+08:00","text":"十分之一？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:33:51.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:33:58.348182+08:00","text":"包括第 73案、第 74案，好，我們同意凍結十分之一。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:02.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:04.294286+08:00","text":"是不是併委員會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:04.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:06.246667+08:00","text":"併委員會，同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:06.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:08.294286+08:00","text":"併委員會決議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:08.294286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:10.580000+08:00","text":"併委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:10.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:12.330000+08:00","text":"我們更正一下，第 63案保留。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:13.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:17.913333+08:00","text":"第 73案、第 74案凍結 10%，對不對，陳總召？","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:17.913333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:20.580000+08:00","text":"報告院長，第 63案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:20.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:22.913333+08:00","text":"第 63案已經保留了，我們現在進入第 73案、第 74案凍結 10%，對嗎？","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:25.437143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:28.330000+08:00","text":"併委員會，剛剛清龍總召……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:29.670909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:30.216364+08:00","text":"併委員會多少？協 27","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:30.216364+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:31.216364+08:00","text":"對，那就凍結 10%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:31.216364+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:32.216364+08:00","text":"併委員會決議辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:30.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:32.580000+08:00","text":"併委員會凍結 10%。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:35.041538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:52.790000+08:00","text":"第 72案保留；第 73案、第 74案併委員會凍結 10%，是這個意思嗎？是。是。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:54.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:34:56.390000+08:00","text":"可是你這三案，第 72案、第 73案、第 74案是一樣的。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:34:59.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:01.850000+08:00","text":"所以就是合併起來併委員會的嘛。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:03.916667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:10.250000+08:00","text":"陳總召，你第 72案、第 73案、第 74案是不是就併委員會凍結 10%？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:10.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:11.250000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:11.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:12.250000+08:00","text":"對，凍結 10%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:12.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:13.250000+08:00","text":"好，這樣比較清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:13.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:14.250000+08:00","text":"第 72案、第 73案、第 74案併委員會凍結 10%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員其昌","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:11.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:11.916667+08:00","text":"第 75案也是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:14.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:15.140000+08:00","text":"第 75案不是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:17.945714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:29.730000+08:00","text":"現在我們進入第 75 案，「交通運輸規劃及產業發展」2,017 萬元，凍結 200 萬元，陳總召請\n表達意見。","quality":0.441},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:30.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:32.044545+08:00","text":"如果交通部有意見就保留。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:33.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:47.660000+08:00","text":"沒有，委員，這有溝通過，減列的部分就先不減列，但是凍結 20%，這有溝通過，\n但還沒簽名。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:47.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:51.687778+08:00","text":"現在第 75案交通部的意思就是減列 200萬元取消，凍結 20%，書面報告，好不好？","quality":0.536},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:51.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:35:55.624286+08:00","text":"對，不要減列，凍結 20%，書面報告。同意。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:35:56.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:10.260000+08:00","text":"好，第 75 案就凍結 20%，沒有減列，加書面報告；第 76 案併委員會決議辦理；第 77 案併\n委員會決議辦理；第 78案凍結 5,000萬元，麻煩請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:10.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:14.260000+08:00","text":"本案如果交通部有意見就保留。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:14.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:23.607143+08:00","text":"也是建議併委員會，因為委員會也都有討論過這個案子，看委員這邊，委員會也是十\n分之一。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:23.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:25.583333+08:00","text":"那我們就併委員會凍結 10%，好嗎？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:25.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:27.350000+08:00","text":"跟剛才一樣。好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:28.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:37.500000+08:00","text":"第 78 案併委員會凍結 10%；第 79 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 80 案陳清龍委員所提，全數\n協 28\n減列 810萬元，請陳總召表達意見。第 80案……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:37.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:42.040000+08:00","text":"對，第 80案、第 81案併案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:42.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:46.580000+08:00","text":"第 80案、第 81案我們保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:46.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:55.714286+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分您有簽名，就是辦公室有同意要併委員會的決議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:56.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:36:57.428571+08:00","text":"黨團沒有同意。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:36:58.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:00.170000+08:00","text":"委員有簽名。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:00.170000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:02.855714+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員其昌","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:02.855714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:03.141429+08:00","text":"總召還有黨團……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:03.141429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:04.570000+08:00","text":"保留，我們有討論過了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:04.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:11.903333+08:00","text":"沒關係，陳總召，沒問題，現在就是他這邊有跟委員溝通，就併同委員會的決議辦理，您能\n接受嗎？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:15.018571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:15.018571+08:00","text":"第 80案嗎？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:16.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:18.037778+08:00","text":"對，第 80案、第 81案併同委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:18.037778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:20.290000+08:00","text":"好，併委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:20.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:23.623333+08:00","text":"好，併同委員會決議辦理，凍結 10%。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:23.623333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:26.223333+08:00","text":"第 82案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:26.223333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:31.640000+08:00","text":"第 83案台灣民眾黨黨團減列 7,000萬元、凍結 1,000萬元，請陳總召表達意見。保留。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:35.523333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:37.618571+08:00","text":"請問主席，是第 81案嗎，還是？第 83案。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:41.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:43.420000+08:00","text":"我們也建議是不是可以……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:43.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:47.220000+08:00","text":"第 82案是通刪，第 83案本黨團保留。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:47.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:49.420000+08:00","text":"好，第 83案通刪；第 84案通刪；第 85案通刪。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:49.420000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:51.620000+08:00","text":"我們進入……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:51.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:57.220000+08:00","text":"報告主席，第 81案是不是也是併委員會決議，跟前面一樣？對。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:57.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:58.220000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:57.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:37:59.286667+08:00","text":"我們進入第 86案，第 86案併委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:37:59.286667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:10.550000+08:00","text":"第 87案……\n第 88案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:10.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:12.150000+08:00","text":"院長，麥克風。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:12.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:18.150000+08:00","text":"好，陳清龍委員第 88案凍結 20%，請表達意見。協 29保留。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:18.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:24.644286+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個委員有同意說要併委員會的決議，黨團也已經蓋章了。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:24.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:26.072857+08:00","text":"黨團有蓋章？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:26.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:28.530000+08:00","text":"對，有蓋章了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員其昌","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:28.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:30.430000+08:00","text":"有簽了啦！有啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:31.215714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:32.644286+08:00","text":"好，我們就依黨團決議辦理。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"蔡委員其昌","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:32.644286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:33.644286+08:00","text":"有看到你的名字了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:32.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:34.530000+08:00","text":"好，依黨團決議辦理。凍 10%。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:35.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:37.590000+08:00","text":"第 88案依黨團決議辦理。是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:39.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:41.656667+08:00","text":"併委員會決議。10%……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:47.451818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:50.603333+08:00","text":"清龍兄，第 88案併委員會決議辦理，有沒有意見？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:51.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:51.270000+08:00","text":"沒意見。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:51.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:38:57.680000+08:00","text":"好，第 88案併委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:38:57.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:04.054286+08:00","text":"我們進入第 89案，台灣民眾黨黨團減列 1億 6,700萬元，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:04.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:05.340000+08:00","text":"第 89案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:06.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:08.186154+08:00","text":"報告，是不是也可以併委員會決議？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:10.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:11.840000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:11.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:12.840000+08:00","text":"因為委員會都有討論過了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:12.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:14.117778+08:00","text":"請說，委員會怎麼樣，凍結 10%？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:14.117778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:21.260000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:21.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:22.974286+08:00","text":"委員會也是凍 10%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:25.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:27.228182+08:00","text":"我們是減列，所以本案保留。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:27.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:27.695714+08:00","text":"好，第 89案保留。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:27.981429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:29.124286+08:00","text":"第 90案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:29.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:33.228182+08:00","text":"第 91案凍結 8,400萬，台灣民眾黨黨團請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:38.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:41.853333+08:00","text":"好，也是建議併委員會決議，委員會決議是凍 5,000萬元。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:41.853333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:44.520000+08:00","text":"我們就凍結 10%……\n協 30","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:44.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:45.520000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:46.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:48.020000+08:00","text":"第 91案保留；第 92案通刪；第 93案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:48.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:50.270000+08:00","text":"陳總召請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:50.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:52.020000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:52.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:53.984286+08:00","text":"陳部長有沒有意見？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:56.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:39:57.240000+08:00","text":"好，我們保留。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:39:58.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:01.840000+08:00","text":"第 94案通刪；第 95案通刪；第 96案通刪；第 97案通刪及第 98案通刪。","quality":0.476},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:02.525714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:03.954286+08:00","text":"第 99案、第 100案及第 101案主決議，文字修正。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:04.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:05.954286+08:00","text":"請陳部長表達意見。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:08.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:09.670000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:09.670000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:10.670000+08:00","text":"好，我們修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:10.351818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:11.988182+08:00","text":"第 102案、第 103案主決議，請陳部長表達意見。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:12.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:13.670000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:14.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:17.836667+08:00","text":"我們第 99案、第 100案及第 101案都有文字修正，就照文字修正。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:18.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:22.036667+08:00","text":"對，所以有文字修正跟沒有文字修正，我都會分別問您一次。是。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:22.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:28.614444+08:00","text":"第 104案文字修正、第 105案文字修正及第 106案文字修正，請問陳部長的意見？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:28.614444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:29.799630+08:00","text":"好，文字修正，遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:29.799630+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:30.984815+08:00","text":"好，修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:30.984815+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:32.170000+08:00","text":"第 107案至第 111案的主決議，請陳部長表達意見。","quality":0.235},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:32.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:45.670000+08:00","text":"第 107案及第 108案遵照辦理；第 109案，我們建議文字修正，有跟委員辦公室溝通\n過了，他們也同意文字修正。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:46.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:53.690000+08:00","text":"好，陳總召，他們跟蔡春綢委員已經溝通完畢，對於文字修正有意見嗎？同意。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:54.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:56.490000+08:00","text":"好，第 109案文字修正通過。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:56.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:58.290000+08:00","text":"第 110案遵照辦理。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:40:58.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:40:59.844286+08:00","text":"第 111案我們也遵照辦理。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:02.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:04.320000+08:00","text":"好，第 110案及第 111案都遵照辦理。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:04.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:10.427778+08:00","text":"謝謝，我們進入交通部主管民航局，民眾黨團提凍結 20%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:10.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:12.364286+08:00","text":"，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:13.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:15.380000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:15.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:26.880000+08:00","text":"報告委員，有跟您拜託過，是不是可以併委員會的決議來辦理？凍 20%。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:28.546667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:31.546667+08:00","text":"凍 20%，對啊，本來就凍 20%。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:31.546667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:32.546667+08:00","text":"不是啦，併委員會凍 5%？協 31","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:31.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:33.594286+08:00","text":"對，委員會已經凍 20%了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:33.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:35.480000+08:00","text":"委員會本來就凍 20%耶！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:35.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:37.630000+08:00","text":"對，就併委員會的決議。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"范雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:37.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:39.880000+08:00","text":"併凍一起這樣？併凍。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:41.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:43.120000+08:00","text":"好，本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:45.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:50.250000+08:00","text":"第 112案、第 113案及第 114案，我們就併凍結 20%，陳部長可以接受嗎？","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:50.681818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:52.318182+08:00","text":"第 114案丁學忠委員好像已經撤案了。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:52.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:54.100000+08:00","text":"第 114案已經撤案了？OK。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:54.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:56.100000+08:00","text":"第 114案已經撤案了。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:56.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:57.100000+08:00","text":"那只有第 112案跟第 113案？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:57.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:41:58.100000+08:00","text":"對，第 112案跟第 113案而已。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:41:57.833333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:06.170000+08:00","text":"對，20%……第 113案有同意併委員會。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:06.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:09.920000+08:00","text":"陳部長，大概是凍結 5%喔，您誤會囉！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:11.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:14.796667+08:00","text":"第 2目「空運管理業務」是凍結二十分之一耶，5%\n。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:14.796667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:16.963333+08:00","text":"對啊，20%嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:16.963333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:19.130000+08:00","text":"對，不是 20%，是二十分之一（5%）。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:19.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:22.330000+08:00","text":"不是 20%耶，陳總召容我提醒一下，是 5%。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:22.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:24.630000+08:00","text":"5%，併委員會議，刪……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:24.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:25.630000+08:00","text":"不是 20%，您同意的話，第 112案及第 113案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:25.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:26.730000+08:00","text":"好，我同意併 5%。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:27.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:30.796667+08:00","text":"好，我們第 112案及第 113案凍結 5%，併委員會；第 114案撤案。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:33.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:34.630000+08:00","text":"第 113案已經同意併案。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:34.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:36.907778+08:00","text":"對，第 113案併同委員會決議辦理，所以剩第 112案，凍結 5%。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:36.907778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:39.185556+08:00","text":"對，凍結 5%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:39.185556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:41.463333+08:00","text":"第 115案、第 116案、第 117案及第 118案通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:41.463333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:44.930000+08:00","text":"第 119案王安祥委員主決議，跟第 120案這兩個主決議，交通部有意見嗎？","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:44.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:47.850000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:47.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:49.450000+08:00","text":"好，遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:49.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:55.627778+08:00","text":"我們進入中央氣象署第 121 案，併同委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:55.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:57.600000+08:00","text":"；第 122 案凍結 200 萬元，書面報告\n。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:57.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:42:59.183333+08:00","text":"第 123案凍結 30%。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:42:59.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:01.627778+08:00","text":"請陳總召表達意見，謝謝。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:02.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:02.580000+08:00","text":"本案保留。協 32","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:04.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:10.206667+08:00","text":"報告委員，黨團辦公室有同意改成凍結 10%，我們有溝通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:12.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:16.983333+08:00","text":"好，那我依黨團決議凍結 10%，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:17.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:21.150000+08:00","text":"第 123案凍結 10%，書面報告。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:21.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:25.364286+08:00","text":"第 124案凍結 50%，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:28.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:30.140000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:31.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:40.354286+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個黨團有同意修正文字，文字的部分做修正，凍結金額是 100萬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:41.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:47.340000+08:00","text":"第 124案交通部陳部長意思是凍結 100萬元，加文字修正。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:47.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:51.240000+08:00","text":"請陳總召表達意見，可否接受？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:52.572222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:55.350000+08:00","text":"黨團這邊的決議是凍結多少？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:56.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:43:58.127778+08:00","text":"我們有溝通過，凍結 100萬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:43:58.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:00.127778+08:00","text":"那就依黨團決議凍結 100萬。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:00.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:03.950000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 100萬元，加文字修正。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:06.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:09.850000+08:00","text":"第 125案併委員會決議辦理；第 126案改主決議。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:12.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:14.306667+08:00","text":"我們進入觀光署。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:14.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:27.390000+08:00","text":"第 127 案改主決議；第 128 案減列 20 萬元，科目自行調整；第 129 案改科\n目自行調整，減列 2,000萬元；第 130案減列 500萬元，凍結 1,000萬元，書面報告。","quality":0.66},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:27.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:32.640000+08:00","text":"第 131案凍結 20%，麻煩陳總召發言。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:33.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:47.140000+08:00","text":"有關第 131 案是我們郵輪旅遊產生的糾紛頻繁，所以我們在這邊提出凍結計畫 20%\n，專案報告可以改書面報告。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:48.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:52.767143+08:00","text":"現在陳總召願意把專案報告改為書面報告，陳部長請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:53.063846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:44:58.710000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個有跟您溝通過，也拜託過，是不是可以同意併委員會的決議來辦理？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:44:59.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:02.687778+08:00","text":"目前委員會是凍結 5,000萬。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:02.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:06.687778+08:00","text":"現在就凍結 5,000 萬元，改書面報告，陳總召可不可以接受？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:07.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:10.276667+08:00","text":"可以接受就接受，不能接受就\n保留。保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:10.943333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:21.895714+08:00","text":"好，第 131案保留；第 132案併同委員會決議辦理；第 133案併同委員會決議辦理；第 134\n案林思銘委員所提凍結 250萬元，也麻煩國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:22.181429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:29.110000+08:00","text":"第 134案保留；第 135案改主決議；第 136案改主決議；第 137案減列 2億元，凍結 5,000\n萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:29.791818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:31.428182+08:00","text":"台灣民眾黨黨團請表達意見。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:31.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:32.800000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:37.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:49.600000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們建議可不可以修正文字，就是我們不要減列 2 億，但是凍結 5,000 萬\n協 33\n可以啦，我們三個月內提出提升臺灣觀光亮點的書面報告後動支。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:51.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:57.590000+08:00","text":"他的意思是減列就不要了，就直接凍結 5,000 萬，三個月之內提出報告，陳總召可以接受嗎\n？","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:57.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:45:59.470000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 5,000萬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:45:59.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:09.203333+08:00","text":"OK，減列就撤銷，我們只有凍結 5,000萬元，加三個月內提出書面報告。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:09.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:17.336667+08:00","text":"第 138案改主決議；第 139案減列 1億元，凍結 2億元，麻煩國民黨黨團表達意見。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:18.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:19.610000+08:00","text":"保留送院會。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:20.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:23.828182+08:00","text":"第 139案保留；第 140案改主決議；第 141案凍結 1億元，陳總召請表達意見。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:26.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:27.680000+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:31.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:34.570000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在是第 113案？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:36.031538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:49.086154+08:00","text":"第 141 案我們建議能夠修正文字，就是凍結預算 1,000 萬，提出國旅優惠方案檢討以\n及提升國旅品質的書面報告。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:51.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:52.840000+08:00","text":"三個月之內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:53.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:56.840000+08:00","text":"陳總召，他的意思是凍結 1,000萬元，三個月之內……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:56.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:57.840000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:46:57.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:46:58.240000+08:00","text":"第 141案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:00.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:06.170000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 142案改主決議；第 143案台灣民眾黨黨團減列 5,000萬元，請\n表達意見。","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:08.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:09.620000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:12.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:27.834286+08:00","text":"我們建議是不是可以朝文字修正減列 5,000 萬，是不是我們觀光署重新檢討各項硬體\n必要性的部分，讓我們來提書面報告，改主決議？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:28.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:29.620000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:29.620000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:33.120000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:33.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:33.620000+08:00","text":"第 143保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:34.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:37.720000+08:00","text":"我們現在進入第 144案到第 150案，有 7個主決議。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:38.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:47:39.938182+08:00","text":"麻煩請交通部部長表達意見。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:47:40.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:01.720000+08:00","text":"第 144案到第 146案遵照辦理；第 147案我們建議文字修正，提出國際運動觀光發展\n之跨部會合作機制及觀光推廣措施，然後提書面報告，這個部分有跟委員溝通過了，委員也同\n意。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:02.453333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:07.786667+08:00","text":"第 147案，陳總召因為蔡春綢委員不在，交通部已經跟他溝通過，同意文字修正。同意。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:08.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:12.120000+08:00","text":"第 144案到第 146案主決議遵照辦理；第 147案修正通過；第 148案到第 150案？協 34","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:14.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:17.897778+08:00","text":"第 148案遵照辦理；第 149案建議文字修正。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:18.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:19.995000+08:00","text":"王安祥委員就在你面前，溝通過了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:20.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:21.870000+08:00","text":"王安祥委員 OK嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:21.870000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:22.870000+08:00","text":"對，有拜會過委員了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:22.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:25.620000+08:00","text":"陳總召，王安祥委員 OK了，您 OK嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:26.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:26.620000+08:00","text":"OK，可以。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:31.846154+08:00","text":"建議文字修正，一個月是不是可以改為三個月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:33.882353+08:00","text":"王安祥委員，你看一下部長的眼睛，可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:33.882353+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:34.882353+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:37.666667+08:00","text":"OK，文字修正通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:46.770000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 151 案通刪；第 152 案改主決議；第 153 案劉書彬委員凍\n結 40%，劉書彬委員在嗎？","quality":0.677},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:48.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:48:57.950000+08:00","text":"我的意見是併同我們黨團的意見一起處理，跟第 154案一起處理。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:48:58.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:00.083333+08:00","text":"第 153案、第 154案、第 155案這三案？對。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:01.194444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:08.350000+08:00","text":"第 155 案張智倫委員所提併同委員會決議辦理；第 154 案是民眾黨黨團凍結 10 億元，你是\n凍結 40%。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:08.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:19.107778+08:00","text":"請陳總召表達意見，是不是張智倫委員所提併同委員會決議處理，也是跟你同一個案子第 155\n案，能不能接受？","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:20.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:25.260000+08:00","text":"接受我們就裁決了，併同委員會決議辦理。我想……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:27.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:28.010000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你講，陳總召請表達意見。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:28.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:44.078182+08:00","text":"這部分，其實對於交通的設施上面，我們有很多測速照相機還有包括設置，有很多的\n罰款，但是事實上對於傷亡並沒有好好地改善，所以我們黨團的意見是要凍結 10億元。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:47.677778+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:54.700000+08:00","text":"好，書彬委員也同意，因為這是凍結 10億，本案如果交通部有意見，我們就保留。","quality":0.567},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:55.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:49:57.782353+08:00","text":"但是我還是要徵詢交通部意見，陳部長請表達意見。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:49:57.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:07.566667+08:00","text":"報告主席，這個案子我們希望可以併委員會的決議，委員會已經有凍結 5,000 萬元了\n，這個部分也拜託陳總召幫忙……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:08.053846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:13.677778+08:00","text":"現在第 155案國民黨團張智倫所提凍結 5,000萬元，陳總召，您能不能接受？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:14.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:16.170000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:16.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:18.420000+08:00","text":"好，我們第 153、154、155 案保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:22.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:27.003333+08:00","text":"更正：第 155 案就是併同委員會決議處理，第 153、\n154案保留。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:27.336667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:32.447778+08:00","text":"我們進入第 156案，台灣民眾黨團減列 6億 6,000萬元，請表達意見。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:34.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:36.340000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:38.651429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:51.746667+08:00","text":"對我們來講，6 億其實是非常、非常多，我們有 37 個監理所站，對他們業務影響會\n協 35\n非常大，所以建請是不是可以併委員會決議來辦理，用凍結 5,000萬元的方式？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:54.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:50:58.366667+08:00","text":"第 156案凍結 5,000萬元，陳總召可不可以接受？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:50:58.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:00.200000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:00.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:01.200000+08:00","text":"第 156案保留。第 157案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:01.144444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:06.392308+08:00","text":"陳總召，他們 16億你減掉 6億，剩 10億，這是公路跟監理的業務管理……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:06.392308+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:08.700000+08:00","text":"這個影響會非常、非常大。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:08.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:10.300000+08:00","text":"我們就保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:10.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:14.843636+08:00","text":"第二輪還要再討論，范雲委員深呼吸、深呼吸。","quality":0.278},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:14.843636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:40.110000+08:00","text":"第 157 案併同委員會決議處理；第 158 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 159 案改主決議；第 160\n案改減列 400 萬元，科目自行調整；第 161 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 162 案科目自行調整，\n減列 500 萬元；第 163 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 164 案改主決議；第 165 案併同委員會決議\n辦理；第 166案減列 100萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:40.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:45.210000+08:00","text":"第 167案凍結 40%，劉書彬委員請表達意見。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:48.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:49.920000+08:00","text":"麻煩簡短扼要，謝謝。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:53.841429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:51:57.047778+08:00","text":"因為這部分有些相關的在……我們還是覺得要保留啦！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:51:59.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:03.103333+08:00","text":"我們還是建議，是不是併委員會決議來辦理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:03.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:05.070000+08:00","text":"委員會已經有凍結 5,000萬元了……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:05.936667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:08.936667+08:00","text":"陳部長說委員會凍結 5,000萬元，劉書彬委員跟陳總召能不能接受？","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:09.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:12.984286+08:00","text":"而且都是公路新建養護的部分，這個是很重要的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:13.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:17.020000+08:00","text":"就說能不能接受就可以了，可以接受就凍結 5,000萬元？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:17.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:22.603333+08:00","text":"沒有，這部分沒辦法接受，還是要凍結。保留。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:22.603333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:23.603333+08:00","text":"好，保留，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:23.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:26.770000+08:00","text":"第 168案我們併同委員會決議辦理；第 169案改主決議。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:27.714444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:31.070000+08:00","text":"第 170案洪毓祥委員凍結 100萬元，洪毓祥委員請表達意見。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:32.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:33.903333+08:00","text":"就凍結啊。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:34.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:38.033333+08:00","text":"就凍結……好，陳部長請表達意見。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:38.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:42.700000+08:00","text":"我們還是建議併委員會的決議來處理，因為 3,000多萬元……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:48.213333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:53.726154+08:00","text":"它是整個計畫凍 5,000萬元啦，是不是可以放在整個計畫裡面？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:52:53.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:52:55.698182+08:00","text":"這凍結 100萬元，怎麼可能凍結 500萬元？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:05.850000+08:00","text":"洪委員，陳部長的意思是併第 3 目，總共凍結 500 萬元，但前面已經沒辦法的話，那後面也\n沒辦法……\n協 36","quality":0.459},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:06.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:07.850000+08:00","text":"總共凍結 5,000萬元……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:08.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:09.634615+08:00","text":"我們就保留好了，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:09.942308+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:17.050000+08:00","text":"洪委員，就保留了，好，沒辦法了，因為前面也已經被保留了，\n我們就保留。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:20.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:32.140000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 171 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 172 案改主決議；第 173 案通刪；第 174 案併同\n委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.361},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:32.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:35.540000+08:00","text":"第 175案陳清龍委員所提減列 500萬元，請發言。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:37.675714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:41.208182+08:00","text":"交通部如果有問題，航港局有問題，我們就保留。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:47.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:53:57.037778+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們已經照委員的意見，之前該開會的部分有開過會，所以我們建請是不\n是可以併委員會決議來處理，總共凍 1,000萬元？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:53:59.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:01.037778+08:00","text":"好，併同委員會凍 1,000萬元好嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:01.037778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:02.037778+08:00","text":"好，那就凍 1,000萬元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:01.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:02.593333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:03.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:05.010000+08:00","text":"併同委員會凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:05.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:08.260000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 176案，減列 80萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:08.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:10.926667+08:00","text":"第 177案減列 400萬元，麻煩請陳總召。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:11.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:17.224286+08:00","text":"這個案子有溝通過了，航港局、交通部同意減列 400萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:17.224286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:18.224286+08:00","text":"減列第 2目 200萬元，你們有經過溝通……","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:18.224286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:19.224286+08:00","text":"然後文字修正。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:19.224286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:20.224286+08:00","text":"文字修正。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:20.224286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:21.224286+08:00","text":"陳總召已經看到這個了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:21.224286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:22.224286+08:00","text":"OK，第 177案就減列 200萬元，科目自行調整。400萬吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:18.938571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:21.176667+08:00","text":"金額是減列 400萬元，不是 200萬元，然後文字修正。","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:21.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:54:23.010000+08:00","text":"文字修正。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:54:57.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:00.423333+08:00","text":"就是加一個科目自行調整，對不對？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:01.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:02.936154+08:00","text":"陳部長，我們就科目自行調整。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:02.936154+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:03.936154+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:03.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:04.423333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:05.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:08.756667+08:00","text":"減列 400萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:09.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:16.590000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 178 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 179 案凍結 100 萬元，提書面報告。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:17.643333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:21.010000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳部長\n、謝謝交通部列席官員，請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:21.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:25.310000+08:00","text":"我們進入數發部，麻煩數發部林部長請坐。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:31.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:33.113333+08:00","text":"我們休息 5 分鐘好了，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:33.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T15:55:35.080000+08:00","text":"有點累，休息 5\n分鐘，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T15:55:35.080000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:12:02.140000+08:00","text":"休息（15時 55分）\n繼續開會（16時 12分）","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:12:02.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:12:05.973333+08:00","text":"謝謝各位黨團幹部、謝謝各位列席官員，現在會議繼續。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:12:07.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:12:16.963333+08:00","text":"首先請黨團幹部就座，蔡總召、范\n雲委員請就座，謝謝各位黨團，大家辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:12:17.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:12:20.380000+08:00","text":"現在從數發部開始，林部長歡迎您！","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:12:26.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:12:48.650000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 180 案王鴻薇委員所提通刪；第 181 案通刪；第 182 案通刪；第 183 案通刪；第\n協 37\n184 案鄭天財委員改主決議；第 185 案通刪；第 186 案減列 70 萬元，科目自行調整；第 187 案\n民眾黨團減列 4億元，凍結 30%，麻煩陳總召請發言。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:12:48.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:12:50.400000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:12:57.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:04.500000+08:00","text":"我們希望改凍結 30%，3個月內提書面報告。保留。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:06.175385+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:09.252308+08:00","text":"第 187 案保留；第 188 案減列 25%，國民黨團所提。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:11.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:22.400000+08:00","text":"好，第 188 案保留；第 189 案黃仁委\n員所提併同委員會決議辦理；第 190案減列 25%，請國民黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:25.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:30.383333+08:00","text":"第 190案保留；第 191案併同委員會決議辦理；第 192案減列 1,000萬元，請洪毓祥委員發\n言。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:30.383333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:32.170000+08:00","text":"併第 187案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:32.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:33.170000+08:00","text":"對，我說第 192案併第 187案。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:33.170000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:40.210000+08:00","text":"保留，併到我們的第 187案……","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:40.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:44.710000+08:00","text":"第 192案保留；第 193案國民黨團減列 25%。保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:45.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:13:54.710000+08:00","text":"第 193案保留；第 194案賴士葆委員所提減列 900萬元，科目自行調整；第 195案台灣民眾\n黨團所提凍結 2,000萬元，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:13:58.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:04.627778+08:00","text":"我們配合凍結 2,000萬元，希望改書面報告。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:06.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:09.600909+08:00","text":"就是凍結 2,000萬元不變，改書面報告？是。同意。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:09.600909+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:11.055455+08:00","text":"同意，第 195案凍結 2,000萬元，改書面報告；第 196案併同委員會決議辦理；第 197案洪\n毓祥委員凍結 500萬元，請洪委員發言。保留。","quality":0.023},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:11.055455+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:12.510000+08:00","text":"第 197案我們配合凍結 500萬元，希望改書面報告。同意。","quality":0.105},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:12.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:43.210000+08:00","text":"好，第 197 案凍結 500 萬元，改書面報告；第 198 案國民黨所提減列 25%，請國民黨團發\n協 38\n言。保留。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:44.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:49.810000+08:00","text":"第 198案保留；第 199案民眾黨團所提減列 1億元，凍結 20%，請表達意見。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:50.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:51.710000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:14:53.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:14:59.278182+08:00","text":"我們希望改凍結，並於 3個月內提書面報告。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:00.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:01.640000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:02.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:11.476667+08:00","text":"第 199案保留；第 200案，黃仁委員併同委員會決議辦理；第 201案，民眾黨黨團減列 1億\n元，凍結 20%。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:12.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:21.940000+08:00","text":"本案本黨團同意由減列 1億改為減列 5,000萬元，凍結 20%改凍結 10%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:25.866667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:33+08:00","text":"現在台灣民眾黨黨團通通把它砍半了，減列 5,000 萬元及凍結 10%，是不是要改書面報告，\n可以嗎？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:33+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:36.120000+08:00","text":"書面報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:36.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:37.262857+08:00","text":"林部長，這案沒問題吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:37.405714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:39.720000+08:00","text":"改書面報告，有沒有問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:39.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:40.720000+08:00","text":"書面報告沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:40.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:41.620000+08:00","text":"減列 5,000萬元、凍結 10%？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:46.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:48.070000+08:00","text":"OK，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:48.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:54.008462+08:00","text":"好，第 201案減列 5,000萬元及凍結 10%，改書面報告。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:54.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:15:56.327143+08:00","text":"第 202案，洪毓祥委員減列 2,000萬元，請表達意見。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:15:56.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:01.850000+08:00","text":"保留，併第 201案處理就好了，這應該是一樣。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:01.850000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:04.893571+08:00","text":"這兩案是一起的。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:04.893571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:07.937143+08:00","text":"好，一起。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:07.937143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:12.913333+08:00","text":"第 201案及第 202案減列 5,000萬元、凍結 10%，改書面報告，洪毓祥委員是不是這個意思\n？對。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:13.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:16.280000+08:00","text":"好的，就沒有問題了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:16.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:18.857778+08:00","text":"第 203案併同委員會決議辦理。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:19.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:23.610000+08:00","text":"第 204案，洪毓祥委員減列 1,000萬元，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:26.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:30.110000+08:00","text":"可不可以併第 201案，或是委員會？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:30.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:32.276667+08:00","text":"希望併第 201案處理。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:35.353846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:36.892308+08:00","text":"這案減列 5,000萬是越用越多，第 201案、第 202案、第 203案、第 204案……","quality":0.421},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:39.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:40.866667+08:00","text":"沒有，就保留啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:40.866667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:43.200000+08:00","text":"這數字不同……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:43.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:45.533333+08:00","text":"我看洪委員會有意見，洪委員。協 39對啊！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:45.866667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:46.533333+08:00","text":"就保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:46.533333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:52.580000+08:00","text":"第 204案、第 205案跟第 206案。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:52.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:16:54.413333+08:00","text":"第 204案、第 205案跟第 206案，林部長有沒有意見？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:16:56.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:02.294286+08:00","text":"我們當然還是希望併第 201案處理，但是如果不行的話，就是改凍結並提書面報告。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:02.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:11.080000+08:00","text":"洪委員，林部長的意思是，從第 201案到第 206案通通改為減列 5,000萬元、凍結 10%，並\n改書面報告，您看可以嗎？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"蔡委員其昌","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:11.080000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:12.080000+08:00","text":"不要大刀一砍……對啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:12.080000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:13.080000+08:00","text":"5,000萬元很多了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:11.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:12.455000+08:00","text":"可以的話，我們就這樣定下來了。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"洪委員毓祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:14.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:27.240000+08:00","text":"第 204 案、第 205 案跟第 206 案，因為它都是減列，所以我現在針對第 204 案、第\n205案跟第 206案改成是 3案合併凍結 1,500萬元，提書面報告之後，始得凍支。","quality":0.54},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:27.240000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:28.240000+08:00","text":"不用減列了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:27.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:31.300000+08:00","text":"可以，配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:31.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:33.210000+08:00","text":"部長說可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:33.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:36.210000+08:00","text":"第 204案、第 205案跟第 206案凍結 1,500萬元，改書面報告，好嗎？","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:36.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:37.210000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:37.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:38.210000+08:00","text":"好，併案了。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:37.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:40.924286+08:00","text":"我們進入第 207案，國民黨黨團減列 25%。保留。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:41.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:42.270000+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:42.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:50.100000+08:00","text":"第 208案，國民黨黨團所提併委員會辦理。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:51.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:54.840000+08:00","text":"請問林部長針對第 209案主決議，您有意見嗎？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:55.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:56.512727+08:00","text":"沒有問題，遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:17:56.694545+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:17:57.058182+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:02.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:06.590000+08:00","text":"第 210案併委員會決議辦理；第 211案減列 50萬元，科目自行調整；第 212案通刪。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:08.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:15.020000+08:00","text":"第 213案，國民黨黨團減列 25%，請表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:15.896667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:16.563333+08:00","text":"第 214案減列 25%。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:17.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:19.316667+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，保留。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:20.316667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:22.316667+08:00","text":"第 215案減列 25%。保留。保留。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:23.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:31.427778+08:00","text":"協 40\n我們現在進入歲出部分，第 216案減列 28億 3,000萬元，民眾黨黨團請表達意見。","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:31.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:44.400000+08:00","text":"有關於第 216 案，本黨團原來減列預算 28 億，我們可以調整為減列預算 5 億，看數\n發部的意見。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:46.471429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:51.500000+08:00","text":"林部長，現在減列 28億元，調整為減列 5億元，您有意見嗎？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:54.041429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:18:55.184286+08:00","text":"署長，你這邊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長俊秀","start":"2026-08-04T16:18:55.692222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:02.220000+08:00","text":"因為還有其他委員有提出來，我們事實上還是希望能夠併委員會。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:03.803333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:05.136667+08:00","text":"本案就保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:05.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:29.120000+08:00","text":"好，第 216 案保留；第 217 案併第 221 案；第 218 案減列 4,000 萬元，科目自行調整；第\n219案改主決議；第 220案改主決議；第 220案通刪，所以第 217案跟第 221案都列入通刪；第\n222案，賴士葆委員所提減列 150萬元。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:29.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:33.370000+08:00","text":"第 223案，林沛祥委員減列 25%，請表達意見。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:36.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:37.803333+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:37.803333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:39.470000+08:00","text":"第 223案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:39.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:43.470000+08:00","text":"第 224案減列 25%，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:43.470000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:44.470000+08:00","text":"好，保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:44.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:47.470000+08:00","text":"第 225案減列 25%。保留。保留。保留。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:48.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:52.048182+08:00","text":"第 227案凍結 30%，台灣民眾黨黨團請表達意見。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:52.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:57.896667+08:00","text":"凍結 30%，本黨團可以更改為凍結 20%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:57.896667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:19:59.164444+08:00","text":"林部長，第 227案凍結 20%，還有改書面報告，你能不能接受？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:19:59.164444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:00.432222+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:00.432222+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:01.700000+08:00","text":"配合辦理，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:01.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:20.060000+08:00","text":"第 227 案凍結 20%，改書面報告；第 228 案併同委員會決議辦理；第 229 案列入通刪；第\n230案減列 25%，國民黨黨團……保留。保留。","quality":0.585},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:20.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:23.380000+08:00","text":"第 231案減列 25%，國民黨黨團……保留。保留。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:24.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:28.046667+08:00","text":"第 232案減列 4億 3,000萬元，台灣民眾黨黨團……\n協 41","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:28.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:29.380000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:30.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:32.007778+08:00","text":"林部長沒有補充意見？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:32.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:34.030000+08:00","text":"沒有補充意見，我們就保留了。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:34.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:35.730000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:35.730000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:36.730000+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:36.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:39.230000+08:00","text":"第 233案國民黨黨團減列 25%。保留。保留。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:39.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:42.570000+08:00","text":"第 234案國民黨黨團減列 25%。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:43.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:51.320000+08:00","text":"好，第 235案到第 240案有 6個主決議，請林部長表達意見。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:51.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:53.070000+08:00","text":"配合辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:53.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:20:59.170000+08:00","text":"好，第 235案到第 240案主決議，數發部配合辦理，謝謝林部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-08-04T16:20:59.170000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:21:00.170000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:21:00.141429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:21:05.320000+08:00","text":"進行司法及法制委員會部分，請幕僚人員就定位。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:21:12.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:21:16.054286+08:00","text":"麻煩審查過的官員，請離席好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:21:16.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:21:18.090000+08:00","text":"我們空間不夠，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:21:43.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:03.410000+08:00","text":"接下來，列席的總統府何副秘書長，歡迎您，請坐；國家安全會議李副秘書長，歡迎您，請\n坐；國史館陳館長，歡迎您，請坐；國史館臺灣文獻館黃館長，歡迎您，請坐。","quality":0.661},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:05.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:17.530000+08:00","text":"麻煩會場請肅靜，各位黨團幹部請就座，OK。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:19.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:21.026667+08:00","text":"林沛祥書記長，麻煩麥克風按掉。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:21.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:24.910000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝大\n家，請就座，大家辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:25.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:35.687778+08:00","text":"我們進入第 1 案，翁曉玲減列 50 萬元；第 2 案減列 712 萬 9,000 元，凍結 712 萬 8,000 元，\n請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:38.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:40.390000+08:00","text":"好，第 2案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:40.821818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:43.640000+08:00","text":"何副秘書長，你隨時有話講，都可以提出來。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:44.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:48.486154+08:00","text":"是，跟院長及委員報告，第 1案的部分，翁委員已經同意……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:48.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:51.084444+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，第 1案已經過了，減列 50萬元，第 2案……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:51.751111+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:53.040000+08:00","text":"第 2案部分可不可以併委員會？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:53.173333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:22:54.506667+08:00","text":"因為委員已經有審議過了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:22:55.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:00.350000+08:00","text":"可不可以併委員會決議辦理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:04.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:10.014286+08:00","text":"委員會分別減列了 20萬元、50萬元，各凍了 50萬元。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:11.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:16.550000+08:00","text":"減列 20萬元、減列 50萬元，還有凍結……","quality":1},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:16.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:17.550000+08:00","text":"各凍 50萬元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:17.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:26.716667+08:00","text":"國民黨黨團，何副秘書長的意思是說委員會裡面「業務費」「國家發展研究……」","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:27.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:28.896154+08:00","text":"還是尊重提案委員，先保留好了。協 42","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:29.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:30.850000+08:00","text":"這個部分有跟翁委員報告過了，再多拜託。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:31.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:32.800000+08:00","text":"不過，翁委員沒跟我講啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:33.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:34.850000+08:00","text":"沒有關係，我們二輪再說，好嗎？好的。是。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:37.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:37.511538+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:37.665385+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:40.827778+08:00","text":"第 3案併委員會決議減列數，科目自行調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:40.827778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:43.050000+08:00","text":"是，遵照辦理。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:43.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:23:55.494444+08:00","text":"第 4 案通刪；第 5 案減列 30 萬元，賴士葆委員所提，科目自行調整；第 6 案國務機要費\n3,000萬元，台灣民眾黨黨團所提，減列 2,000萬元，凍結 1,000萬元，陳總召請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:23:55.494444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:02.800000+08:00","text":"第 6案、第 7案、第 8案、第 9案、第 10案。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:02.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:05.157143+08:00","text":"第 10案，黃仁委員已經提併委員會決議了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:07.504444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:14.726667+08:00","text":"院長及各位委員，關於國務機要費部分，我們自從開國以來，從來、從來沒有刪\n過啦！","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:15.726667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:42.810000+08:00","text":"我想韓院長之前有提過滿令人感動的一句話，叫做「莫忘世上苦人多」，這一筆預算都\n是用在弱勢團體、庇護工廠，這些辛苦的孩子，甚至是比較辛苦的老大人們，包含像是馬太鞍\n的時候，也是用這一筆經費去慰問，所以懇請、懇請是否支持？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:43.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:46.860000+08:00","text":"再多拜託，這是國務機要費的\n部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:46.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:48.228182+08:00","text":"謝謝何副秘書長補充說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:48.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:24:56.160000+08:00","text":"陳總召，何副秘書長的意思就是第 2目國務機要費，能不能夠全\n部通過？保留。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:24:59.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:00.210000+08:00","text":"好，我們通通保留。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:01.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:02.352857+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們保留。保留。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:03.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:08.194286+08:00","text":"我們進入第 11案併委員會決議凍結數，書面報告。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:08.194286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:09.194286+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:08.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:09.813333+08:00","text":"第 12案通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:10.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:14.450000+08:00","text":"第 13案國民黨團減列 250萬元。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:14.450000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:17.226316+08:00","text":"第 13案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:17.226316+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:18.594737+08:00","text":"何副秘書長，你要發言的話，不用客氣。沒有？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:18.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:20.300000+08:00","text":"我就繼續了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:20.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:32.366667+08:00","text":"第 14 案改主決議；第 15 案通刪；第 16 案減列 130 萬元，科目自行調整；第 17 案改主決議\n；第 18案通刪；第 19案通刪。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:33.063636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:36.700000+08:00","text":"第 20案台灣民眾黨團提凍結 1,000萬元，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.476},{"speaker":"李副秘書長問","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:49.933636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:53.320000+08:00","text":"報告院長、報告委員，我們這裡進行說明。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李副秘書長問","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:53.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:25:57.600000+08:00","text":"對於陳委員提到的這個凍結案，是否建議改成主決議？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"李副秘書長問","start":"2026-08-04T16:25:58.244444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:01.657143+08:00","text":"主決議的文字內容，我們在\n此可以提供給委員參考。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:04.066667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:07.657143+08:00","text":"國安會李副秘書長的意思是可不可以改主決議，陳總召請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:12.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:23.156667+08:00","text":"第 20案保留；第 21案改主決議；第 22案國史館刪減 10萬元，科目自行調整；第 23案改\n主決議；第 24案減列 10萬元，科目自行調整。","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:25.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:30.570000+08:00","text":"謝謝何副秘書長，謝謝各位列席官員，請回。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:30.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:33.820000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，懇請支持，謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:34.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:36.620000+08:00","text":"我們進入人事行政總處。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:50.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:26:55.600000+08:00","text":"我們要補充報告一下，國務機要費第 6案到第 10案全部保留。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:26:58.451818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:27:00.770000+08:00","text":"謝謝人事行政總處張副人事長，請坐。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:27:02.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:27:08.520000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：院長，大家好。謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:27:08.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:27:22.133333+08:00","text":"第 25 案高金素梅委員所提，併委員會決議凍結數，提書面報告；第 26 案取消減列，改凍結\n500萬元（排除水電費）；第 27案通刪。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:27:23.871739+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:27:29.127778+08:00","text":"第 28案台灣民眾黨團凍結 10%，陳昭姿委員所提，陳總召請表達意見。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:27:29.127778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:27:42.053889+08:00","text":"陳昭姿委員未到場，他的部分主要看人事行政總處，如果他可以，我們就 OK，不然\n我們就保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:27:42.053889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:27:54.980000+08:00","text":"請副人事長表達意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:27:54.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:17.467778+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：這個部分我報告一下，因為這個業務費我們只有編了 3,805 萬 3,000 元，主要都\n是北棟辦公室大樓的管理費跟清潔修繕的費用，是不是可以併委員會凍結，然後我們來提交詳\n細的書面報告？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:17.467778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:22.520000+08:00","text":"委員會凍結多少？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:22.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:24.270000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：委員會凍了 50萬。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:24.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:25.270000+08:00","text":"那就併委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:24.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:27.520000+08:00","text":"好，併委員會凍結 50萬元加書面報告。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:27.520000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:31.770000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：謝謝，謝謝總召。","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:31.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:34.020000+08:00","text":"第 29案通刪；第 30案通刪。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:34.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:38.320000+08:00","text":"第 31案台灣民眾黨團凍結 1,900萬元，請陳總召表示意見。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:41.883333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:43.216667+08:00","text":"併委員會凍結好了。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:44.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:46.200000+08:00","text":"委員會多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:46.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:47.200000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：678萬 4,000元。協 44","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:46.473333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:55.456154+08:00","text":"我們就併委員會，然後再加書面報告？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:55.456154+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:28:56.610000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:28:56.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:01.210000+08:00","text":"第 31案併委員會，凍結 678萬 4,000元，加書面報告。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:02.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:05.110000+08:00","text":"第 32案凍結 1,000萬元，請陳總召表示意見。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:05.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:07.248571+08:00","text":"一樣，併委員會。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:07.248571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:10.962857+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:10.962857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:14.677143+08:00","text":"同上，第 31案、第 32案、第 33案。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:14.677143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:15.534286+08:00","text":"第 34案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:15.534286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:24.890000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：對，第 34案改主決議。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:24.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:29.990000+08:00","text":"第 35案、第 36案併委員會 678萬 4,000元，然後加書面報告？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:29.990000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:30.990000+08:00","text":"張副人事長秋元：是。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:30.753636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:38.104286+08:00","text":"進入第 37案改主決議；第 38案改主決議；第 39案改主決議；第 40案改主決議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:38.104286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:40.390000+08:00","text":"第 41案到第 44案的主決議，請……\n張副人事長秋元：遵照辦理。","quality":0.238},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:40.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:41.890000+08:00","text":"好，遵照辦理。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:42.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:45.390000+08:00","text":"謝謝副人事長，謝謝您，請回。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:29:46.961429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:29:55.757778+08:00","text":"現在進入立法院歲出，張裕榮副秘書長請坐，立法院各級主管請坐。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:00.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:03.817778+08:00","text":"好，各位黨團幹部，現在是立法院。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:04.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:20.399474+08:00","text":"我們進入第 45 案、第 46 案及第 47 案，請張副秘書長\n說明。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:22.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:28.294286+08:00","text":"第 45案、第 46案及第 47案提書面報告，併凍 2000萬。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:30.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:37.940000+08:00","text":"好，現在改書面，併凍 2,000萬元，第 45案至第 47案，各位黨團幹部有意見嗎？","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:38.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:41.890000+08:00","text":"沒有意見\n，好，併凍 2,000萬元，改書面。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:43.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:45.917778+08:00","text":"第 48案凍結 50萬元，范雲委員所提，你要表達意見？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:46.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:53.806667+08:00","text":"這個保留，因為這和身障手語服務有關，細節還沒討論完，我們先保留，馬上會有結果\n。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:54.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:54.410000+08:00","text":"第 48案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:55.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:30:58.076667+08:00","text":"第 49案通刪；第 50案通刪；第 51案通刪。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:30:59.187778+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:03.210000+08:00","text":"第 52案至第 53案兩個主決議，請張副秘書長表達意見。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張副秘書長裕榮","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:03.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:04.210000+08:00","text":"我們遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:04.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:05.210000+08:00","text":"好，遵照辦理。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:03.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:05.210000+08:00","text":"謝謝張副秘書長，請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:09.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:11.424286+08:00","text":"我們現在進入司法院。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:13.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:17.400000+08:00","text":"高秘書長，歡迎您，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:30.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:33.530000+08:00","text":"臺灣高等法院王院長，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:34.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:34.780000+08:00","text":"謝謝，歡迎\n。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:35.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:50.780000+08:00","text":"我們進入司法院，第 54 案媒體宣傳，通刪；第 55 案列入通刪；第 56 案列入通刪；第 57 案\n列入通刪；第 58案列入通刪；第 59案改主決議。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:31:51.393636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:31:55.136667+08:00","text":"第 60案，陳清龍總召提議凍結保留二十六分之七……\n協 45保留。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:03.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:06.513333+08:00","text":"2,501萬 7,000元，麻煩請高秘書長表達意見。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:09.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:10.420000+08:00","text":"第 60案我們遵照辦理。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:12.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:14+08:00","text":"遵照辦理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:14.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:17.700000+08:00","text":"那是大法官，未提名的。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:18.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:22.300000+08:00","text":"我們就凍結二十六分之七，2,501萬 7,000元。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:23.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:33.403333+08:00","text":"第 61案改主決議；第 62案通刪；第 63案通刪；第 64案通刪；第 65案通刪。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:34.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:39.820000+08:00","text":"第 66案陳昭姿委員提議減列 5,000萬元，請陳總召表達意見。保留。","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:41.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:32:52.548182+08:00","text":"跟院長報告，我們希望第 66 案、第 67 案及第 70 案可以併案，凍結 300 萬，書面\n報告。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:32:52.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:06.587143+08:00","text":"對不起，高秘書長，因為第 70 案通刪，所以我們現在就討論第 66 案、第 67 案，減列\n5,000萬元，您現在對於陳總召的要求……您可以說明的，沒有問題，請說。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:06.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:10.530000+08:00","text":"我們希望能夠凍結 300萬元，書面報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:12.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:19.677778+08:00","text":"高秘書長的意思是司法院這個項目─「辦理司法行政業務」能夠凍結 300萬元，加書面報告\n？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:20.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:28.140000+08:00","text":"報告院長，第 66案、第 67案就是保留，這兩案都保留。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:28.521818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:30.158182+08:00","text":"高秘書長，我們就保留了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:30.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:32.117778+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們還有第二輪。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:32.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:36.006667+08:00","text":"第 68案通刪；第 69案通刪；第 70案通刪；第 71案通刪；第 72案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:36.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:44.296154+08:00","text":"我們進入第 73 案─辦理電腦資訊作業，陳清龍總召提議減列 7,000 萬元，凍結 20%陳總召請\n說明。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:45.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:46.050000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:46.311818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:33:53.730000+08:00","text":"高秘書長，現在還有第 74案、第 75案，我們併案討論，麻煩請高秘書長請補充報告。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:33:54.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:01.936154+08:00","text":"我們希望能併分組審查，因為分組審查在委員會的時候有審查過，是不是可以跟委\n員會一樣？","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:02.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:07.756667+08:00","text":"委員會的決議是凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:12.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:17.660000+08:00","text":"陳總召，現在委員會的決議是減列 200萬元，您看可不可以接受？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:21.802222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:22.024444+08:00","text":"我們保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:23.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:25.246667+08:00","text":"第 73案、第 74案、第 75案三案併案保留。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:25.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:27.913333+08:00","text":"我們現在進入第 2 目憲法訴訟業務。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:29.246667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:35.294286+08:00","text":"第 76 案，台灣民眾黨團提議凍結 674 萬元，預算 963 萬\n，請陳總召請表達意見。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:35.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:36.970000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:36.970000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:46.738889+08:00","text":"還有第 76案、第 77案……\n協 46","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:46.738889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:46.961111+08:00","text":"第 76案、第 77案保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:34:50.619231+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:34:59.524286+08:00","text":"跟院長報告，第 76案、第 77案如果一起凍的話就會超過我們的預算。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:00.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:10.440000+08:00","text":"現在委員會審查是沒有凍結，陳總召，現在這個 963萬元凍結 674萬元，您是不是……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:10.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:12.606667+08:00","text":"兩個併案嘛？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:13.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:18.660000+08:00","text":"所以就凍 50%，就是第 76案改凍結 50%。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:18.660000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:19.660000+08:00","text":"凍結 481萬 6,000元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:19.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:27.411111+08:00","text":"對，兩案併凍 50%，第 76案跟第 77案併凍 50%。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:28.077778+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:39.090000+08:00","text":"第 76案、第 77案我們併案凍結 50%──481萬 6,000元，加書面報告。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:39.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:41.390000+08:00","text":"高秘書長請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:43.812222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:48.590000+08:00","text":"希望第 80案也併進來，因為第 80案是它下面的分支。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:49.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:51.190000+08:00","text":"一樣都是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:51.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:54.590000+08:00","text":"OK，凍結 50%，改書面報告。是。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:54.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:35:55.340000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:35:57.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:00.733333+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們就併在一起了，是同案嘛。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:06.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:08.306667+08:00","text":"第 79案是減列 53萬元。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:14.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:19.880000+08:00","text":"國民黨黨團，第 79案減列 53萬元，請說明。保留。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:19.880000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:25.675000+08:00","text":"我們第 79案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:25.675000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:31.470000+08:00","text":"第 80 案，剛才高秘書長的意思是併在第 76 案、第 77 案，凍結 50%──481 萬元，國民黨黨\n團能不能同意？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:31.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:33.288182+08:00","text":"也是保留吧，尊重提案委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:34.041429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:35.327143+08:00","text":"第 80案，尊重提案委員，我們保留。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:35.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:38.136667+08:00","text":"那我們一樣，第 76案、第 77案就凍結 50%。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:39.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:42.612857+08:00","text":"我們進入第 81案，台灣民眾黨黨團所提，減列 1,000萬、凍結 20%。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:43.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:45.136667+08:00","text":"陳總召請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:45.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:46.970000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:47.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:48.690000+08:00","text":"第 82案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:49.368571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:50.797143+08:00","text":"第 83案也是同上，凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:56.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:36:57.160000+08:00","text":"第 84案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:36:57.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:05.243333+08:00","text":"這 4個案──第 81案、第 82案、第 83案、第 84案，目前為止是減列 1,000萬元、凍結 20%\n，麻煩請高秘書長表達意見。","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:05.243333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:16.418889+08:00","text":"第 84 案是併第 81 案……第 81 案、第 82 案、第 83 案……不是，第 81 案、第 82\n案……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:16.418889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:18.958571+08:00","text":"您第 82案、第 84案就不用看了，已經改主決議了。協 47對。","quality":0.421},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:18.958571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:20.369286+08:00","text":"您只剩下第 81案跟第 83案。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:20.369286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:21.780000+08:00","text":"可不可以併案？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:21.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:27.280000+08:00","text":"這兩個就變成……台灣民眾黨黨團提出減列 1,000萬元、凍結 20%，您有沒有寶貴意見？","quality":0.677},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:27.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:29.387143+08:00","text":"我們希望凍結 100萬加書面報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:29.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:39.130000+08:00","text":"好，陳總召，現在高秘書長的意思是凍結 100萬元加書面報告。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:39.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:45.130000+08:00","text":"我們第 81案本來就保留了嘛，第 83案也保留。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:46.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:47.116667+08:00","text":"對，第 83案保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:48.526923+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:48.834615+08:00","text":"不接受。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:49.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:51.296154+08:00","text":"好，我們第 81案、第 83案保留。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:52.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:53.200000+08:00","text":"第 82案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:53.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:54.200000+08:00","text":"第 84案改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:54.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:37:58.450000+08:00","text":"第 85案，國民黨黨團，凍結 30%，請說明。保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:37:59.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:01.200000+08:00","text":"好，我們第 85案保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:02.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:03.250000+08:00","text":"第 86案，陳昭姿委員，凍結 30%。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:06.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:11.164286+08:00","text":"第 87案一樣，台灣民眾黨黨團，凍結 574萬元。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:11.894444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:13.227778+08:00","text":"陳昭姿委員請說明。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:13.616667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:17.050000+08:00","text":"事關少事法，我們保留，我們要求保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:18.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:19.250000+08:00","text":"第 86案、第 87案保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:19.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:21.268182+08:00","text":"高秘書長有沒有補充意見？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:21.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:23.268182+08:00","text":"沒有意見我們就先保留囉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:22.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:24.020000+08:00","text":"那就保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:24.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:25.020000+08:00","text":"好，先保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:25.186667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:38.804286+08:00","text":"我們進入第 88案，陳清龍總召所提，減列 700萬元，凍結 20%。第 88案……保留。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:41.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:46.840000+08:00","text":"我們希望併分組審查……委員會的時候是凍結 10萬 2,000元。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:48.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:51.750000+08:00","text":"高秘書長的意思是說，併委員會凍結 10萬 2,000元。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:54.250000+08:00","text":"陳清龍總召您的意見？保留。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:55.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:38:55.916667+08:00","text":"第 88案、第 89案保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:38:56.083333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:02.464286+08:00","text":"我們進入第 90案，陳清龍總召，凍結 20%，法律扶助基金會。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:03.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:06.527778+08:00","text":"第 91案，凍結 2,000萬元，陳清龍總召。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:07.416667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:10.416667+08:00","text":"協 48\n第 92案，陳清龍總召，凍結 2,000萬元。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:11.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:12.583333+08:00","text":"第 90案、第 91案、第 92案，陳總召請發言。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:14.515455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:27.570000+08:00","text":"關於第 90案、第 91案、第 92案還有第 94案，都是有關法扶基金會，我們全案都保\n留，4案都保留。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:30.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:31.948889+08:00","text":"林沛祥委員，您先就第 93案表達您的意見。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:34.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:37.615556+08:00","text":"我是要減列沒錯，不過現在也是保留。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:38.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:38.504444+08:00","text":"OK，好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:38.948889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:43.837778+08:00","text":"秘書長，現在第 90案到第 94案全部保留，您有沒有意見要表達？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:44.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:45.560000+08:00","text":"同意保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:46.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:47.488571+08:00","text":"我們就先保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:48.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:49.073333+08:00","text":"第 95案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:50.751579+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:50.962105+08:00","text":"第 96案、第 97案兩個主決議。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:51.172632+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:52.014737+08:00","text":"請高秘書長表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:55.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:39:57.350000+08:00","text":"我們遵照辦理。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:39:57.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:00.564286+08:00","text":"好，第 96、97案司法院就遵照辦理。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:00.707143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:01.707143+08:00","text":"我們進入第 98 案。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:01.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:13.680000+08:00","text":"臺灣高等法院審判業務減列 1,000 萬元，凍結 20%，陳清龍總召請表達意\n見。保留。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王院長梅英","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:16.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:22.354737+08:00","text":"向主席報告，因為我們拜會委員，委員那時候是同意凍結 5%，提書面報告。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"王院長梅英","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:22.354737+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:26.127368+08:00","text":"對，可不可以維持？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王院長梅英","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:26.127368+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:29.900000+08:00","text":"請問委員可不可以維持當時的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:29.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:33.614286+08:00","text":"陳清龍委員，您就是提案的委員，您知道這件事嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:35.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:38.543333+08:00","text":"就是凍結 5%，改書面報告，可以嗎？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:39.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:39.960000+08:00","text":"可以，凍結 5%。好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:41.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:43.028182+08:00","text":"第 98案凍結 5%，改書面報告。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王院長梅英","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:43.028182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:45.300000+08:00","text":"非常感謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:45.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:50.800000+08:00","text":"好，我們進入考試院，謝謝司法院、高秘書長、各位列席的司法院官員，謝謝大家。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:40:52.209091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:40:56.534286+08:00","text":"麻煩請考試院，劉秘書長請就座。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:13.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:23.983333+08:00","text":"考試院劉秘書長請坐，考選部劉部長，歡迎您。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:25.221429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:27.983333+08:00","text":"銓敘部施\n部長，歡迎您。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:27.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:30.070000+08:00","text":"公務人員保障培訓委員會蔡院長，請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:31.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:32.847778+08:00","text":"我們進入第 99案，改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:33.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:36.570000+08:00","text":"第 100案，凍結 50萬元，書面報告。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:37.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:38.670000+08:00","text":"第 101案，改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:39.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:42.570000+08:00","text":"第 102案，併委員會決議凍結數，書面報告。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:43.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:47.896154+08:00","text":"第 103案，台灣民眾黨黨團所提，凍結 100萬元，陳總召請發言。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:48.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:48.850000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:50.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:41:53.840000+08:00","text":"好，請劉秘書長表達第 103案，考試院什麼態度？請。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉秘書長建忻","start":"2026-08-04T16:41:55.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:05.840000+08:00","text":"我們考試院因為只剩下這一案，我們想請陳總召考慮，是不是能夠併委員會決議凍\n協 49\n結數，然後改書面報告處理？10%，69萬……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:07.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:13.074286+08:00","text":"委員會是凍 69萬 5,000元，改書面報告，好嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:13.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:14.860000+08:00","text":"就這一個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:14.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:15.860000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:14.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:20.154615+08:00","text":"清龍總召，只有差一點點，已經凍 69萬了，這樣他們就可以不用再……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:20.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:20.770000+08:00","text":"就保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:22.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:24.103333+08:00","text":"好，第 103案保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:24.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:26.436667+08:00","text":"我們進入第 104案，通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:26.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:28.370000+08:00","text":"第 105案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:28.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:30.547778+08:00","text":"我們進入第 106案，改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:30.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:35.627143+08:00","text":"第 107案，台灣民眾黨陳昭姿委員凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:35.912857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:36.484286+08:00","text":"請陳昭姿委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:36.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:42.370000+08:00","text":"這個欠人家的退休金差額就是要補足，此案保留。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:42.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:53.460000+08:00","text":"第 107案、第 108案凍結 500萬元，都是陳昭姿委員的，併案，凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:53.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:42:57.293333+08:00","text":"麻煩請銓敘部施部長，請表達意見。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:42:58.369091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:02.793333+08:00","text":"跟陳委員報告，我們建議是不是可以併委員會的決議處理？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:04.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:07.260000+08:00","text":"併委員會，委員會已經有\n凍結了。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:09.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:10.786667+08:00","text":"我們凍結一千多萬。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:10.786667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:11.953333+08:00","text":"一千多萬……1,350萬。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:11.953333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:13.120000+08:00","text":"一千兩百……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:13.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:14.453333+08:00","text":"凍結 1,350萬元，對不對？對啊！","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:15.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:16.720000+08:00","text":"一起併好了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:17.301818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:18.938182+08:00","text":"是不是可以併委員會的決議辦理？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:19.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:20.720000+08:00","text":"第 108案、第 109案能不能凍結 1,350萬元……\n更正！","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:20.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:23.142222+08:00","text":"第 107案、第 108案……對啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:23.142222+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:25.564444+08:00","text":"第 108案我們接受，第 107案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:25.564444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:28.453333+08:00","text":"銓敘部的意思是凍結 1,350萬元，可以不可以？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:28.675556+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:28.897778+08:00","text":"陳昭姿委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:28.897778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:32.453333+08:00","text":"說第 108案可以，第 107保留。協 50","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:32.453333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:33.453333+08:00","text":"第 108案 OK的，第 107案保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:33.786667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:36.120000+08:00","text":"就很清楚，第 107案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:36.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:39.760000+08:00","text":"你們欠人家的錢不還。","quality":0},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:39.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:42.760000+08:00","text":"我想這個我們有解釋過了，我們只是建議……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:42.760000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:43.760000+08:00","text":"113年到 114年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:43.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:47.510000+08:00","text":"委員能夠同意併委員會的決議處理。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:48.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:49.960000+08:00","text":"第 107案我們的態度就是這樣子。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:50.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:55.010000+08:00","text":"第 108案我們溝通過了，第 108案就是按照……接\n受。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:56.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:57.623333+08:00","text":"第 108案 OK嘛！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:43:58.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:43:59.290000+08:00","text":"第 108案 OK。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:00.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:44:06.123333+08:00","text":"我知道第 108案就是我們已經做完了，所以謝謝委員，您就是說按照這個方式來處理\n。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:06.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:44:21.956667+08:00","text":"只是說第 107 案我們委員會已經有一個決議，類似的一個案件，我們建議是不是併委員會決\n議凍 1,215萬合併來辦理？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:23.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:44:29.647778+08:00","text":"現在就是以項來看是凍 1,350萬元，以目來看的話，第 1目是凍結 100萬元，陳昭姿委員，\n您能接受嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:31.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:44:32.930000+08:00","text":"凍結 100萬元。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:33.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:44:35.096667+08:00","text":"我們還是保留。謝謝。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:35.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:44:38.230000+08:00","text":"好，第 107案、第 108案就保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:44:57.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:00.676667+08:00","text":"第 109案凍結……萬元，書面報告。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:00.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:01.676667+08:00","text":"剛剛說第 108案可以併委員會，剩第 107案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:01.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:02.676667+08:00","text":"第 108案已經併委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:02.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:03.676667+08:00","text":"對，第 108案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:03.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:04.676667+08:00","text":"對，第 107案保留，第 108案可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:04.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:05.676667+08:00","text":"第 108案併委員會，100萬元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:05.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:06.676667+08:00","text":"第 107案就是保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:06.676667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:07.676667+08:00","text":"第 109案凍結 50萬元，提書面報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:01.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:03.343333+08:00","text":"第 110案，通刪科目。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:03.676667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:05.760000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 111案，改主決議。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:06.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:06.760000+08:00","text":"第 112案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:07.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:08.510000+08:00","text":"第 113案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:09.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:14.343333+08:00","text":"我們現在進入公務人員保障暨培訓委員會。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:14.343333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:17.260000+08:00","text":"第 114案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:17.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:20.610000+08:00","text":"第 115案，台灣民眾黨團凍結 400萬元，請陳總召。保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:23.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:27.500000+08:00","text":"好，現在我們請蔡院長表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡主任委員秀涓","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:28.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:34.720000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長，這一案是不是可以併委員會的決議處理？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:38.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:39.930000+08:00","text":"蔡院長的意思是凍結 85萬 3,000萬元。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:41.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:43.430000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:43.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:45.430000+08:00","text":"保留，好，第 115案保留。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:45.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:47.072857+08:00","text":"謝謝考試院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:47.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:49.644286+08:00","text":"協 51\n我們進入監察院。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:50.921818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:52.558182+08:00","text":"謝謝大家，辛苦了，謝謝請回。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:45:55.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:45:59.494286+08:00","text":"監察院黃秘書長請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:46:17.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:46:28.190000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 116案，國民黨黨團羅智強委員所提減列 3億元，請國民黨黨團。保留。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:46:30.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:46:33.077778+08:00","text":"第 116案保留，請黃秘書長表達意見。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:46:34.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:46:36.250000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長以及各位委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:46:36.783333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:46:57.458182+08:00","text":"我想還是要代表監察院說明，針對 116、117、118這三案\n幾乎是全部減列，例如 116 減列 3 億、117 全數減列、118 全數減列，這把我們所有人事以外的\n經費幾乎都刪光了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:46:57.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:47:36.870000+08:00","text":"這個部分要跟大院說明一下，事實上，影響到的不是只有廢掉整個監察院\n的職權，此外也影響所有監察院同仁的工作權，因為除了人事費以外的費用都刪掉之後，可是\n他每天到監察院來上班，結果環境的安全比如蚊蠅、蟲啦，沒有水、電，請問這要怎麼維護我\n們所有工作同仁的身體健康？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:47:37.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:47:51.103333+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這樣的刪除真的是已經超越了監督的範圍，等於是讓\n整個院處在一個危險、不安全的環境之中，所以要在這邊向大院說明。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:47:51.555714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:48:47.088182+08:00","text":"當然這些費用除了水、電、環境的整潔、蚊蟲等以外，還有一個就是消防，我們編了 3,600 萬\n消防設備的更新，也在這邊一併都要刪除，消防設備也是我們的人身安全最重要的一環，如果\n把消防設備的錢也刪掉了，在這邊一筆通刪掉了，如果發生類似的相關問題，我們實在擔當不\n起，當然還有古蹟的維護；另外是資訊的安全，我們有非常多的國家機密資訊，在調查的過程\n是放在我們的系統裡面，如果把它刪掉，資訊安全也沒了，所以在安全上面會造成很大的困擾\n，更不用說在職權上面，還有財產申報是今年年底九合一最重要的工作之一，包括政治獻金、\n財產申報等等相關的工作。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:48:47.451818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:49:17.020000+08:00","text":"另外還有人權委員會，由國家賦予的相關法定職責，以及監察院原本就一直在負擔的法定職\n責都沒有辦法進行；還有另外一個，就是我們上次來大院向大院說明的，我們好不容易爭取到\n的國際會議的會籍，這次也沒辦法繼續去維護，未來可能會嚴重影響我們在國際會議的參與以\n及國家的外交等相關影響。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:49:17.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:49:50.936667+08:00","text":"所以在這邊要向大院說明，像這樣的全刪法，真的不是一個……真\n的會影響監察院同仁的安全問題，造成我們的法定職權……全刪之後，監察權因此就沒了，所\n以這部分要向大院懇求及請求，是不是這部分可以不要再刪了，不要這樣的通刪法，一個科目\n、一個科目來討論，當然才是我們討論的正道，謝謝。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:49:50.936667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:49:52.593968+08:00","text":"在這裡我還是要勸劉書彬委員、民眾黨黨團，還有國民黨黨團，羅智強委員不在，因為\n如果真的要廢考監，就如同我們講的，修憲委員會就要好好運作，相關權益的部分，譬如國家\n人權委員會要放哪裡、監察是要留監察史等等，也都要有配套。","quality":0.021},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:49:52.593968+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:49:54.251270+08:00","text":"現在你們刪掉所有經費的理由\n是要廢考監，那下禮拜針對未來監察委員的審查，也就根本不用審查啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:49:54.251270+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:49:55.908571+08:00","text":"因為他們就算當了，\n也沒有經費可以用。","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T16:49:55.908571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:14.146667+08:00","text":"我本來以為只是浪費國家納稅錢，因為那裡的公務員就沒有工作可以做，\n委員也都被你們砍掉了、杯葛了，沒有老闆，但現在發現還有職業安全的問題，因為剛剛講的\n消防、水電，各位知道監察院幾乎是古蹟，古蹟其實蠻需要維修的，要不然可能會有危險或是\n危樓，如果沒有資訊安全跟職業安全，對那裡的公務員也是個傷害，是不是可以不要把他們所\n協 52\n有的經費、業務費全數減列，因為劉書彬委員的提案是兩億多經費全數減列，國民黨黨團也是\n。","quality":0.425},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:14.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:16.427778+08:00","text":"好，謝謝范雲委員的發言。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:16.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:24.400000+08:00","text":"剛剛黃秘書長對於監察院的困境已經講得非常清楚，台灣民眾黨黨團有沒有要補充意見？","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:24.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:26.364286+08:00","text":"請\n長話短說，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:28.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:50.525000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們黨團或是我的意見，就是會尊重監察院，像營運的水電費、陽光法案的\n處理，還有建築物的維修等等，我覺得這部分應該可以合理考量把它放進去，但到底要多少錢\n，可能也應該要有個數據出來。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:53.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:54.590000+08:00","text":"本案先保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:55.095263+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:51:56.884737+08:00","text":"好，這部分國民黨黨團是全數減列，請國民黨黨團表達意見。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:51:58.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:02.767778+08:00","text":"劉書彬委員的意見是有彈性，\n請國民黨黨團表達意見。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:02.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:04.590000+08:00","text":"我們先保留，然後再溝通。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:04.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:05.590000+08:00","text":"好，先保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:04.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:08.490000+08:00","text":"第 116案、第 117案、第 118案全數保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:08.490000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:09.990000+08:00","text":"第 119案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:09.990000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:11.490000+08:00","text":"第 120案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:11.490000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:12.990000+08:00","text":"第 121案，通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:12.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:22.323333+08:00","text":"第 123案又是全數減列，我想我們就保留，好不好？保留。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:22.323333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:23.323333+08:00","text":"還有第 122案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:22.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:26.164615+08:00","text":"第 122案也是一樣，全數減列，我們保留。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:26.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:28.494286+08:00","text":"劉書彬委員，保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:28.494286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:30.780000+08:00","text":"第 124案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:30.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:32.335556+08:00","text":"第 125案，全數減列，也是保留。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:33.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:35.117778+08:00","text":"陳昭姿委員，保留嗎？保留。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:35.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:39.373333+08:00","text":"好，第 126案也是全數減列，台灣民眾黨黨團，是不是保留？保留。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:40.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:45.680000+08:00","text":"第 127案，林沛祥委員減列 240萬，請說明。保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:45.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:46.680000+08:00","text":"好，我們保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:46.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:48.680000+08:00","text":"第 128案，林沛祥委員所提減列 216萬。保留。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:50.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:53.680000+08:00","text":"好，我們保留。第 129案？保留。協 53","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:53.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:52:54.680000+08:00","text":"第 129案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:52:54.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:03.110000+08:00","text":"第 130案，黃仁委員凍結 100萬元，國民黨黨團請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:03.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:04.110000+08:00","text":"好，我們保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:04.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:07.110000+08:00","text":"第 131案，台灣民眾黨黨團全數減列。保留。保留。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:08.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:14.740000+08:00","text":"第 132案，林沛祥委員所提減列 728萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:14.740000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:16.695000+08:00","text":"第 133案，通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:16.695000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:18.650000+08:00","text":"第 134案，通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:18.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:27.850000+08:00","text":"第 135案國家人權委員會減列 8,100萬，請國民黨黨團表達意見。保留。保留。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:28.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:33.850000+08:00","text":"第 136案，陳昭姿委員減列 8,000萬元，陳昭姿委員請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:36.516667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:37.850000+08:00","text":"第 136案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:37.850000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:38.850000+08:00","text":"第 137案，許宇甄委員減列 5,500萬。保留。保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:38.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:41.100000+08:00","text":"第 138案，翁曉玲委員減列 3,000萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:41.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:45.850000+08:00","text":"第 139案，林沛祥委員減列 1,871萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:46.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:54.360000+08:00","text":"第 140案，減列 1,414萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:55.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:58.360000+08:00","text":"第 141案，林沛祥委員減列 1,746萬。保留。保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:53:59.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:53:59.582222+08:00","text":"第 142案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:00.026667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:00.248889+08:00","text":"第 143案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:00.693333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:00.915556+08:00","text":"協 54\n第 144案，通刪。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:01.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:02.026667+08:00","text":"第 145案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:03.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:03.693333+08:00","text":"第 146案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:04.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:04.693333+08:00","text":"第 147案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:05.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:08.960000+08:00","text":"第 148案劉書彬委員全數減列，請表達意見。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:08.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:13.993333+08:00","text":"這個部分因為是第一預備金，可以看出來是有需要的時候才用，如果沒有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:13.993333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:19.026667+08:00","text":"現在是全數減列，你是保留還是要堅持？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:19.026667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:24.060000+08:00","text":"我覺得應該要堅持把這個部分刪除。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:24.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:25.810000+08:00","text":"他不能接受就是保留。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:26.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:27.906154+08:00","text":"當然不能接受，因為我們還是要有彈性。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:27.906154+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:28.906154+08:00","text":"好，還是保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:28.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:30.796842+08:00","text":"我懂，先保留，我們還有二輪，好嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:31.007368+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:38.860000+08:00","text":"謝謝黃秘書長今天出席，謝謝、謝謝\n。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:41.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:42.306000+08:00","text":"接下來請法務部。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:42.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:46.686154+08:00","text":"法務部鄭部長、各位法務部列席官員請坐，謝謝。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:47.029231+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:48.744615+08:00","text":"我們進入第 149案，通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:49.430769+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:49.773846+08:00","text":"第 150案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:51.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:51.502667+08:00","text":"第 151案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:52.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:52.710667+08:00","text":"第 152案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:53.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:53.918667+08:00","text":"第 153案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:54.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:55.126667+08:00","text":"第 154案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:55.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:54:56.334667+08:00","text":"第 155案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:54:57.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:01.884211+08:00","text":"第 156案，台灣民眾黨黨團全數減列，請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:02.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:03.315000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:04.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:05.900000+08:00","text":"好，法務部鄭部長要不要……能不能接受？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:07.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:19.243529+08:00","text":"有關第 157 案這部分，翁曉玲委員已經同意減列 50 萬，科目自行調整，這一案是不\n是改併到第 156案跟第 158案一起處理？","quality":0.605},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:20.868333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:28.867500+08:00","text":"第 157 案已經跟提案委員達成共識，減列 50 萬元，科目自調，第 156 案、第 157 案，陳總\n召可以接受嗎？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:29.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:29.780000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:31.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:33.940000+08:00","text":"第 158案也是兩公約的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:34.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:46.710000+08:00","text":"兩公約的案子為林沛祥委員所提，減列 200 萬元，第 156 案、第 157 案陳總召不接受減列\n50萬，要保留是不是？保留。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:46.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:47.512727+08:00","text":"好，保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:47.789091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:49.723636+08:00","text":"第 158案林沛祥委員、許宇甄委員？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:49.723636+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:50.723636+08:00","text":"也是保留。協 55","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:51+08:00","text":"保留，好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:52.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:55:54.643333+08:00","text":"部長隨時可以講話，沒有問題。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:55:59.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:06.610000+08:00","text":"第 157案我們減列 50萬元，科目自行調整，陳總召這個你知道了。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:07.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:08.310000+08:00","text":"第 158案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:08.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:12.610000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 159案凍結 1,000萬元，陳昭委員請表達意見。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:12.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:13.560000+08:00","text":"保留，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:14.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:18.114286+08:00","text":"是不是可以建議併委員會決議？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:18.114286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:19.114286+08:00","text":"不行，書記官……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:18.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:20.140000+08:00","text":"凍結那個……以凍結數來辦理。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:22.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:26.360000+08:00","text":"書記官的問題要好好檢討，保留，謝謝。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:28.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:31.026667+08:00","text":"第 159案陳昭姿委員不接受，我們保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:31.248889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:34.137778+08:00","text":"第 160案凍結 200萬元，陳昭姿委員請發言。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:34.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:38.482308+08:00","text":"有關戒護的這個部分要保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:38.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:42.608182+08:00","text":"建議是不是可以併委員會決議的凍結數來辦理？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:45.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:45.770000+08:00","text":"保留，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:47.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:56.597778+08:00","text":"整個委員會的凍結數是 7,686 萬，他的意思是併在這個總數裡面，請問陳昭姿委員跟陳總召\n能不能接受？","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:57.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:58.420000+08:00","text":"我們保留，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:58.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:56:59.114444+08:00","text":"好，保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:56:59.336667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:03.470000+08:00","text":"第 161案，凍結 100萬元，洪毓祥委員請表達意見，不在？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:03.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:08.520000+08:00","text":"請陳總召表達意見。保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:12.011429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:16.209231+08:00","text":"是不是可以併入委員會決議的凍結數來辦理？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:16.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:21.273333+08:00","text":"對，我也……可是陳總召既然不接受，我們就先保留再說，好不好？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:21.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:25.217778+08:00","text":"第 163 案併委員會決議的凍結數。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:25.773333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:30.440000+08:00","text":"鄭部長，您現在期待的已經出現了，第 163 案併委員會決\n議，好不好？第 164案。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:30.440000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:32.440000+08:00","text":"第 162案沒有……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:32.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:37.190000+08:00","text":"第 163案併委員會決議，第 162案也是一樣。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:37.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:38.106667+08:00","text":"第 162案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:38.106667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:43.700000+08:00","text":"第 162案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:43.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:54.533333+08:00","text":"第 164案是減列辦理檢察新增業務 150萬元，第 165案凍結 7,900萬元，台灣民眾黨黨團要補\n充意見嗎？","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:55.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:57:55.780000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:57:56.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:01.235714+08:00","text":"是不是可以建議併入委員會決議的凍結數來辦理？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:01.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:02.200000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:02.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:02.950000+08:00","text":"好，第 165案保留。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:03.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:06.227778+08:00","text":"第 166案併委員會決議的凍結數。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:06.783333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:09.283333+08:00","text":"鄭部長，第 166案又達成你的願望了，併委員會決議。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:09.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:11.050000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 167案，通刪。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:15.783333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:19.283333+08:00","text":"鄭部長，第 168案到第 172案總共 5個主決議，請問您的意見？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:20.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:36.830000+08:00","text":"第 170案這部分，建議主決議文字為「爰提案要求法務部自 115年起就未從事審判或\n訴訟實務之司法官，如其業務與檢察官業務不相容者即不得領取專業加給」。好的。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:37.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:38.996667+08:00","text":"那第 168案、第 169案、第 171案、第 172案您能接受嗎？","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:40.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:41.310000+08:00","text":"您可以接受就直接處理。同意。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:41.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:46.228182+08:00","text":"好，第 168案、第 169案、第 171案、第 172案法務部就遵照辦理。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:46.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:47.810000+08:00","text":"第 170案請陳總召表達意見。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:48.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:55.080000+08:00","text":"第 170案就照我們的提案表，不作文字修正。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:57.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:58:59.020000+08:00","text":"那就先保留，不同意修正。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:58:59.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:01.420000+08:00","text":"我們進入司法官學院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:01.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:03.220000+08:00","text":"第 173案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:03.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:07.334286+08:00","text":"第 174案併委員會決議的凍結數，提書面報告。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:07.334286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:10.862143+08:00","text":"第 175案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:10.862143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:14.390000+08:00","text":"第 176案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:14.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:18.434286+08:00","text":"第 177案併委員會決議的凍結數，提書面報告。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:18.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:22.434286+08:00","text":"第 178案併委員會決議的凍結數，提書面報告。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:22.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:23.595000+08:00","text":"第 179案台灣民眾黨黨團提議……","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:26.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:35.120000+08:00","text":"第 179案，原來是提案凍結 5,100萬，在這邊我們可以同意改成 2,500萬。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:40.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:42.490000+08:00","text":"鄭部長，他現在改凍結 2,500萬加書面報告。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:42.490000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:43.490000+08:00","text":"矯正署請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:42.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:49.547143+08:00","text":"報告委員，建議本案是不是可以併委員會的凍結數來辦理，我們來提書面報告？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:49.547143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:52.095714+08:00","text":"如果有意見就保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:52.095714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:55.476667+08:00","text":"不同意，第 179案我們就保留。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:55.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:56.810000+08:00","text":"第 180案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T16:59:57.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T16:59:58.850000+08:00","text":"第 181案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:01.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:03.350000+08:00","text":"第 182案，改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:03.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:06.135714+08:00","text":"第 183案，改主決議。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:06.135714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:08.516667+08:00","text":"第 184案，台灣民眾黨黨團提案，通刪。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:08.516667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:10.135714+08:00","text":"第 185案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:10.135714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:13.350000+08:00","text":"第 186案，台灣民眾黨黨團提議凍結 4,000萬元。協 57","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:14.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:23.173333+08:00","text":"有關第 186案，我們原來凍結 4,000萬，可以變更為凍結 2,000萬。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:23.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:27.658182+08:00","text":"我現在幫他們回答一下，可不可以併委員會，凍結 250萬？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:27.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:29.440000+08:00","text":"能不能接受？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:29.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:31.617778+08:00","text":"如果有意見，就保留吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:31.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:33.640000+08:00","text":"好，請高檢署，請表達意見。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:35.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:39.554286+08:00","text":"張檢察長斗輝：報告委員，能不能凍結 500萬元，改提書面報告？","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:39.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:43.440000+08:00","text":"2,000萬，書面報告，要就 OK，沒有就保留。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:44.021818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:45.658182+08:00","text":"張檢察長斗輝：好，我們同意 2,000萬，提書面報告……好。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:45.658182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:46.658182+08:00","text":"張檢察長斗輝：謝謝總召。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:46.506667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:49.506667+08:00","text":"好，第 186案，凍結 2,000萬元，改書面報告。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:49.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:50.840000+08:00","text":"第 187案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:51.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:52.840000+08:00","text":"第 188案，通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:56.411429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:00:57.554286+08:00","text":"進入調查局。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:00:57.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:00.840000+08:00","text":"第 189案，改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:00.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:08.465000+08:00","text":"第 190案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:08.465000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:16.090000+08:00","text":"第 191案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:16.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:19.673333+08:00","text":"謝謝法務部所有列席官員，鄭部長，謝謝，請回。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:20.506667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:23.554286+08:00","text":"進行社會福利及衛生環境委員會。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:23.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:25.590000+08:00","text":"請幕僚人員就定位。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:54.171538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:01:55.556154+08:00","text":"首先介紹勞動部洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:01:58.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:03.377143+08:00","text":"進入勞動部歲出部分。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:03.377143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:06.406667+08:00","text":"第 1案，第 15款，通刪。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:06.406667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:09.120000+08:00","text":"第 2案，通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:09.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:13.564444+08:00","text":"第 3案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:13.564444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:14.897778+08:00","text":"第 4案，改為主決議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:15.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:18.870000+08:00","text":"第 5案，凍結十分之一，台灣民眾黨黨團所提。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:19.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:20.720000+08:00","text":"請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:20.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:22.310000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:22.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:02:24.156154+08:00","text":"好，請洪部長，要不要補充說明第 5案？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:02:27.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:08.796364+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，第 5案的內容講到的是公務體系及公務人員的職場霸凌，其實公務人員\n職場霸凌的這個命題是考試院保訓會公務人員保障法在主管的，並不是勞動部在主管的，勞動\n部針對私部門、公司的職場霸凌已經立了專章，從 7 月 1 日已經開始執行了，目前我們都跟企\n業在討論怎麼樣維持這個職場霸凌專章的法遵……","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:10.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:12.937778+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，凍結十分之一，如果不能接受，你希望如何處理？","quality":0.458},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:13.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:14.960000+08:00","text":"因為這不是我們的業務……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:14.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:15.960000+08:00","text":"那就保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:15.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:19.590000+08:00","text":"這個不是我們的業務，這是保訓會的業務。協 58","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:20.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:20.840000+08:00","text":"OK，第 5案保留。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:21.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:21.440000+08:00","text":"第 6案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:21.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:25.340000+08:00","text":"那個是保訓會的，清龍總召，這個是不是……","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:26.506667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:27.673333+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們繼續，我們已經先保留了，到時候再討論。","quality":0.381},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:27.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:31.340000+08:00","text":"第 7案，賴士葆委員減列 80萬元。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:31.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:33.506667+08:00","text":"第 8案，減列 80萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:33.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:37.270000+08:00","text":"第 9案，減列 800萬元，凍結 20%。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:37.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:39.420000+08:00","text":"陳總召，請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:40.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:42.370000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:43.427143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:44.284286+08:00","text":"好，本案保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:44.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:45.236667+08:00","text":"第 10案，通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:45.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:46.236667+08:00","text":"第 11案，通刪。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:46.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:47.712857+08:00","text":"第 12案，改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:47.998571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:50.370000+08:00","text":"第 13案，賴士葆委員減列 60萬元。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:50.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:03:54.070000+08:00","text":"第 14案，台灣民眾黨黨團凍結 680萬元。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:03:58.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:04:00.400000+08:00","text":"陳總召，請表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:04:02.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:04:05.907778+08:00","text":"沒意見，如果你不同意，我們就保留啊！","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:04:06.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:04:42.730000+08:00","text":"跟陳總召說明，這一題是移工失聯的問題，這個問題我們都正在解決，陳總召上面寫\n的這幾個命題，其實我們都在進行中，可是因為陳總召凍的是勞動關係業務的錢，這筆錢其實\n是工會勞教補助的錢，所以凍的單位與實際上這個提案裡面的內容不是 match的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:04:42.730000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:04:43.730000+08:00","text":"那就保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:04:43.202222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:04:48.580000+08:00","text":"那是不是您這邊所提的改為凍結 70萬，加書面報告？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:04:49.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:04:51.846667+08:00","text":"如果凍結 70萬，應該是可以的，第 14案嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:04:52.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:00.680000+08:00","text":"對，他的意思是說如果併委員會的話，凍結 70萬，改書面報告，陳總召可不可以接受？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:00.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:01.680000+08:00","text":"清龍總召，就併委員會的 70萬，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:01.513333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:02.846667+08:00","text":"可不可以併委員會的 70萬？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:03.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:05.062353+08:00","text":"因為這個都是補助給工會勞工教育的錢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:05.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:07.068889+08:00","text":"不然等一下工會罵你們，這樣反而不太好啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:07.068889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:08.068889+08:00","text":"就併委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:07.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:10.846667+08:00","text":"陳總召，是不是就併委員會凍結 70萬？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:11.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:11.180000+08:00","text":"好，同意。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:12.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:14.846667+08:00","text":"第 14案凍結 70萬元，改書面報告。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:15.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:20.680000+08:00","text":"這樣一問一答互動就有意義，有突破嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:21.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:23.013333+08:00","text":"第 15案併委員會決議凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:23.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:26.980000+08:00","text":"第 16案併委員會決議凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:27.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:32.580000+08:00","text":"第 17案台灣民眾黨黨團凍結 20%，陳總召有沒有補充意見？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:32.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:34.322857+08:00","text":"這一案我們就保留了。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:36.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:05:44.957778+08:00","text":"還是一樣，因為這個案子提案的內容是遠洋漁業，遠洋漁業其實是漁業署的業務，不\n協 59\n是我們主管的業務。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:05:45.624444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:01.836667+08:00","text":"我們講的是勞動關係，部長，我們現在在對話，你一直把你的業務說不是你的業務，\n我們關心的就是勞方的權益，業務主管跟我們勞工基本上是分開的……","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:02.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:15.598571+08:00","text":"總召，近海漁業是我們的業務，但是遠洋漁業其實是漁業署的，在分工上面，他們沒\n有適用勞基法，他們不是我們的業務，所以是不是可以一樣併凍委員會的 70萬？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:18.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:19.770000+08:00","text":"第 17案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:20.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:21.988182+08:00","text":"第 18案併委員會決議凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:22.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:24.036667+08:00","text":"洪部長，你期待的併委員會決議來了。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:24.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:24.670000+08:00","text":"第 19案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:25.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:25.670000+08:00","text":"第 20案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:27.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:29.190000+08:00","text":"第 21案凍結 10%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:29.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:31.440000+08:00","text":"我們可以遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:32.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:35.720000+08:00","text":"第 21案凍結 10%，通過。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:36.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:41.630000+08:00","text":"第 22案併委員會決議凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:42.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:44.450000+08:00","text":"第 23案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:44.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:46.450000+08:00","text":"第 24案凍結 5萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:48.162222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:51.773333+08:00","text":"第 25案到第 30案總共有 6個主決議，麻煩勞動部洪部長表達意見。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:51.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:53.540000+08:00","text":"都遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:53.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:06:57.758182+08:00","text":"好，第 25案到第 30案 6個主決議勞動部遵照辦理。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:06:57.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:01.717778+08:00","text":"第 31案改減列「一般行政」80萬元。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:03.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:06.966667+08:00","text":"第 32案併委員會決議凍結「一般行政」300萬元。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:07.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:09.100000+08:00","text":"第 33案改減列「一般行政」200萬元。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:14.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:19.580000+08:00","text":"第 34案台灣民眾黨陳昭姿委員凍結 500萬元，「保險業務」。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:19.580000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:20.580000+08:00","text":"第 34案部長可以接受嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:20.387692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:25.049091+08:00","text":"第 34 案我們是希望可以改主決議，這個工作我們會做，然後希望改主決議，就是關\n於研議……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:26.711429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:27.854286+08:00","text":"目前是凍結。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:28.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:30.040000+08:00","text":"但我們希望能夠改成主決議，這個工作我們會做。保留。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:30.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:31.640000+08:00","text":"我們會做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:32.306667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:33.306667+08:00","text":"你們會做就不要怕啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:33.473333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:33.973333+08:00","text":"書面報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:34.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:35.854286+08:00","text":"委員，我們是真的希望可以改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:36.711429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:37.854286+08:00","text":"保留，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:37.854286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:40.140000+08:00","text":"陳昭姿委員保留，第 34案保留。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:40.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:43.776364+08:00","text":"第 35案併委員會決議凍結 30萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:44.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:45.740000+08:00","text":"協 60\n第 36案改主決議。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:46.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:47.473333+08:00","text":"第 37案撤案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:48.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:49.740000+08:00","text":"第 38案減列 50萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:50.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:51.740000+08:00","text":"第 39案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:52.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:07:53.958182+08:00","text":"第 40案併委員會決議凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:07:54.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:01.140000+08:00","text":"第 41案減列 1,000萬元，凍結十分之三，林沛祥委員。保留。保留。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:02.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:03.986154+08:00","text":"第 42案減列 1,000萬元，凍結 20%，陳清龍委員。保留。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:10.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:12.823333+08:00","text":"第 41案、第 42案洪部長如果沒有意見，我們就保留。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:12.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:16.704286+08:00","text":"我們是希望可以併委員會決議，爭取併委員會決議。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:17.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:18.746667+08:00","text":"我們就保留吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:19.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:20.830000+08:00","text":"第 43案改減列 200萬元。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:21.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:22.898182+08:00","text":"第 44案併委員會決議凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:23.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:24.898182+08:00","text":"第 45案併委員會決議凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:25.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:26.413333+08:00","text":"第 46案撤案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:29.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:31.350000+08:00","text":"第 47案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:31.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:33.350000+08:00","text":"第 48案照案通過。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:34.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:34.793333+08:00","text":"第 49案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:35.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:35.793333+08:00","text":"第 50案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:36.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:40.260000+08:00","text":"第 51案凍結 300萬元，陳昭姿委員請表達意見。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:40.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:42.174286+08:00","text":"部長可以接受嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:42.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:44.326667+08:00","text":"我們就是要求基層保全的勞動權益。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:44.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:46.237778+08:00","text":"第 51案我們可以遵照辦理。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:46.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:48.060000+08:00","text":"好，第 51案凍結 300萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:48.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:50.060000+08:00","text":"第 52案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:50.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:53.960000+08:00","text":"第 53案併委員會決議凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:54.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:08:56.060000+08:00","text":"第 54案減列 60萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:08:56.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:01.760000+08:00","text":"第 55案併委員會決議凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:03.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:07.100000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪部長，勞動部請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:07.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:09.277778+08:00","text":"我們進入衛生福利部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:28.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:30.310000+08:00","text":"麻煩石部長，請就座。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:39.377273+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:44.316667+08:00","text":"第 56案併委員會決議凍結 100萬元，高金素梅委員提案。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:44.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:46.468182+08:00","text":"第 57案高金素梅委員提案，改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:46.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:50.450000+08:00","text":"第 58案，高金素梅委員提案，併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:50.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:09:52.468182+08:00","text":"第 59案，高金素梅委員提案，改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:09:52.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:04.030000+08:00","text":"協 61\n第 60案，國民黨團提案，減列 8至 12月份的業務費，國民黨團請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:05.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:06.030000+08:00","text":"第 60案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:06.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:10.196667+08:00","text":"石部長，沒關係，等一下你還是會有……您現在對這一點……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:10.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:39.863333+08:00","text":"對，院長還有各位委員，因為這個業務費是涉及到優化兒童醫療的業務，也包含整個\n醫療網的推動、偏鄉，也包含一些健康臺灣的推動、給醫院來培育人才、相關人力的補充等等\n，所以懇請委員再考慮，可不可以併許宇甄委員的第 80 案來處理？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:40.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:46.196667+08:00","text":"這一個我們就不要減列，因\n為這個都是實際在業務推動上所需要的。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:47.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:48.930000+08:00","text":"併第 80案許宇甄委員的凍結十分之三？對。","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:49.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:56.930000+08:00","text":"如果各位黨團幹部同意的話，本案就併第 80案許宇甄委員的凍結十分之三，可以接受嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:57.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:10:59.080000+08:00","text":"對，因為現在已經 8月了……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:10:59.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:01.107778+08:00","text":"沒關係，你稍等一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:01.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:02.996667+08:00","text":"可不可以接受？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:02.996667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:05.856190+08:00","text":"可以接受的話，我們就下裁決了。保留。","quality":0.267},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:05.856190+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:08.715714+08:00","text":"好，第 60案保留。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:08.715714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:10.144286+08:00","text":"范雲委員，請發言。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:10.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:16.906667+08:00","text":"因為現在已經 8 月了，8 月的業務費就已經被減掉了，他們衛福部要怎麼工作？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:17.073333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:11:35.740000+08:00","text":"因為除\n了剛剛講的優化兒童醫療外，還有很多，包含現在食安法不是叫他們要儘速修，衛環委員會還\n要討論，所以部長可以講一下，你從這個月的業務費就被減列的影響到底是什麼？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:11:36.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:04.490000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，因為這個都已經挹注給各個醫院去推動，包含兒科專科醫師的培訓、醫\n療網到各個區域、各個衛生局在推動，另外也有健康臺灣，讓醫院去增加護理職場的改善等等\n，這個其實已經都陸陸續續在執行中，所以這個會牽涉到……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:04.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:10.615000+08:00","text":"沒問題、沒問題，石部長，您放心，因為還有二輪，我們可以進一步的探討，現在第一輪黨\n團有不同意見，我們就先保留，好嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:10.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:12.073333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:13.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:13.615000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，第 61案改主決議。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:14.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:14.615000+08:00","text":"第 62案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:15.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:15.615000+08:00","text":"第 63案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:16.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:16.615000+08:00","text":"第 64案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:17.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:18.490000+08:00","text":"第 65案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:19.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:20.540000+08:00","text":"第 66案減列 50萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:21.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:21.906667+08:00","text":"第 67案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:22.573333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:32.240000+08:00","text":"第 68案、第 69案合併凍結財團法人國家衛生研究院 200萬元。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:32.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:33.563529+08:00","text":"第 70案改主決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:33.681176+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:34.269412+08:00","text":"第 71案改主決議。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:34.269412+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:35.269412+08:00","text":"協 62\n第 72案改主決議。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:34.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:38.517778+08:00","text":"第 73案改主決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:38.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:42.240000+08:00","text":"衛福部效率非常好，都已經改主決議了，繼續加油！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:43.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:43.906667+08:00","text":"第 74案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:44.573333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:48.406667+08:00","text":"第 75案，台灣民眾黨團 257萬元全數凍結，請陳總召。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:48.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:50.406667+08:00","text":"本案已經撤案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:51.168571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:51.454286+08:00","text":"第 75案撤案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:52.025714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:52.597143+08:00","text":"第 76案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:53.467273+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:56.406667+08:00","text":"石部長，你應該很開心，溝通是有效的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:57.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:57.615000+08:00","text":"第 77案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:58.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:12:58.615000+08:00","text":"第 78案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:12:59.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:00.540000+08:00","text":"第 79案減列 100萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:01.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:04.240000+08:00","text":"第 80案凍結十分之三，許宇甄委員請表達意見。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:06.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:18.468182+08:00","text":"這個部分是針對現在毒油的事件，對於衛福部的處理，大家看起來就是荒腔走板，所\n以針對這個部分，我主張要凍結十分之三。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:20.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:30.017778+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指教，我們也會虛心來檢討，不過這個部分的行政費用是不是凍結的部分\n可以減少？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:31.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:34.073333+08:00","text":"凍結 30%的話，會影響到我們的運作，所以是不是可以改 10%？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:35.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:37.211429+08:00","text":"凍結百分之十，許宇甄委員請表達意見。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:37.211429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:42.460000+08:00","text":"保留好了。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:42.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:42.960000+08:00","text":"好，第 80案保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:43.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:43.876667+08:00","text":"第 81案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:44.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:44.876667+08:00","text":"第 82案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:45.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:45.876667+08:00","text":"第 83案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:46.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:49.067143+08:00","text":"第 84案凍結 1,000萬元，陳昭姿委員請表達意見。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:53.545455+08:00","text":"部長，這個事後避孕藥你還要搞多久，搞 10 年嗎？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:53.727273+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:58.126667+08:00","text":"設了那麼多障礙，你有意見嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:58.293333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:13:59.293333+08:00","text":"還要發表意見嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:13:59.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:04.960000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，這個我們已經在擬試辦計畫，年底以前就會推出。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:05.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:08.980000+08:00","text":"我 2015年就親自主持這個會議通過，被你們次長……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:08.980000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:11.480000+08:00","text":"壓迫員工，修改會議記錄！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:11.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:13.298182+08:00","text":"這一案你就是堅持凍結 1,000萬元嘛？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:13.298182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:15.080000+08:00","text":"凍結 1,000萬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:15.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:17.298182+08:00","text":"石部長能不能接受凍結 1,000萬元？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:18.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:20.930000+08:00","text":"本預算高達 108億。好。協 63","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:21.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:22.263333+08:00","text":"好，第 84案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:22.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:28.680000+08:00","text":"第 85案改主決議。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:28.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:29.680000+08:00","text":"第 86案減列 80萬元。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:29.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:30.680000+08:00","text":"第 87案改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:29.657273+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:33.677143+08:00","text":"第 88案凍結 3%，劉書彬委員所提，石部長能接受嗎？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:37.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:39.230000+08:00","text":"能不能接受 3%？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:44.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:14:50.476667+08:00","text":"我們有跟委員說明，是不是可以改成主決議？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T17:14:52.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:00.502308+08:00","text":"這個部分因為只是凍結而已，做說明之後，書面報告就可以解決的事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:07.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:10.400000+08:00","text":"凍結 3%，改書面報告，這應該可以接受吧？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:10.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:11.400000+08:00","text":"好，我們遵照辦理。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:11.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:12.400000+08:00","text":"OK，好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:13.200000+08:00","text":"第 89案減列 100萬元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:14.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:15.150000+08:00","text":"第 90案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:15.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:16.400000+08:00","text":"第 91案改主決議。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:16.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:21.177778+08:00","text":"第 92案，台灣民眾黨團提凍結 10%，請問石部長能接受嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:27.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:31.073333+08:00","text":"好，我們來努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:31.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:33.073333+08:00","text":"好，改成書面報告。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:34.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:37.340000+08:00","text":"第 92案凍結十分之一，改書面報告。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:38.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:39.490000+08:00","text":"第 93案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:40.168571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:40.311429+08:00","text":"第 94案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:41.025714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:41.597143+08:00","text":"第 95案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:43.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:44.820000+08:00","text":"第 96案減列 100萬元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:45.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:46.820000+08:00","text":"第 97案減列 50萬元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:47.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:48.853333+08:00","text":"第 98案同意凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:49.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:50.770000+08:00","text":"第 99案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:51.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:15:52.820000+08:00","text":"第 100案改減列 100萬元。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:15:53.908889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:16:00.353333+08:00","text":"第 101案，陳菁徽委員所提，凍結二分之一，請陳菁徽委員發言。謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:16:01.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:16:18.686667+08:00","text":"當天在委員會經過非常多的討論，他們現在是一口氣要買 50 臺無人機，所以\n我們當天有跟衛福部溝通，希望知道之後他們所要實行的細節，比如哪幾臺要飛哪一個範圍、\n哪幾臺要飛哪一個範圍，有沒有禁航區？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:16:19.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:16:30.686667+08:00","text":"因為在高雄比如很多鄉親關切美濃大峽谷或者是大樹\n光電板，這一些區域現在被圍起來，之前有的地方是可以飛，但後來又禁飛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:16:31.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:16:38.866154+08:00","text":"臺灣的禁航區很\n多，所以我們希望可以知道實際每一臺要運作到哪些地方，還有某些地方是不是禁航區。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:16:39.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:10.020000+08:00","text":"再來，有多項指引現在都還在徵詢許多專家學者的意見，比如無人機送藥作業指引、無人機\n緊急救援指南、跨院檢體運送指南等等，這個在網路上也是直接說還在處理中，審查的時候也\n協 64\n還沒有提出，所以當時委員會的結論……因為每一個委員都還蠻關心的，我們希望到時候這些\n指引全部都制定好了，到我們這邊做一個專案報告，經過詢答之後再來解凍，謝謝。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:17.382222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:20.910000+08:00","text":"現在陳菁徽委員的意思是，就改成一個書面報告，經過書面報告之後就可以，您凍結……沒有！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:23.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:25.006154+08:00","text":"那個時候我們在委員會就討論過……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:25.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:29.017143+08:00","text":"我現在就是說您可以繼續堅持這樣，改一個書面報告，請衛福部提出來嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:30.588571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:34.978182+08:00","text":"沒有，因為很多委員也對這個產業有非常多的研究……對。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:37.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:42.874286+08:00","text":"當時就跟很多委員討論，希望到時候到委員會開一個專案報告，然後……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:43.302857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:46.910000+08:00","text":"現在衛福部提出來凍結 1,000萬，您能不能接受？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:47.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:48.978182+08:00","text":"不接受就不接受了，沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:49.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:50.874286+08:00","text":"我們先保留好了，謝謝。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:50.874286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:51.960000+08:00","text":"好，第 101案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:51.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:17:58.960000+08:00","text":"現在處理第 102案到第 118案，除了第 114案之外，其他衛福部是不是都能夠照案通過？","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:17:59.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:02.993333+08:00","text":"好的\n，第 114案麻煩請石部長表達意見。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:02.993333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:05.060000+08:00","text":"第 114案我們也遵照辦理。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:05.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:12.160000+08:00","text":"第 114案也遵照辦理，就全部都通過了。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:13.997143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:16.740000+08:00","text":"現在進入第 119案，改主決議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:17.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:18.958182+08:00","text":"第 120案併委員會決議，凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:19.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:20.740000+08:00","text":"第 121案照案通過。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:21.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:28.917778+08:00","text":"第 122案國民黨黨團減列 8到 12月的業務費，請國民黨團表達意見。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:28.917778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:29.917778+08:00","text":"保留到第二輪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:29.917778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:30.917778+08:00","text":"第 122案保留。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:30.473333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:32.140000+08:00","text":"第 123案減列 150萬元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:33.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:34.740000+08:00","text":"第 124案減列 50萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:35.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:36.740000+08:00","text":"第 125案凍結 30萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:37.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:38.740000+08:00","text":"第 126案減列 200萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:39.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:40.140000+08:00","text":"第 127案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:41.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:42.140000+08:00","text":"第 128案通刪。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:43.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:45.806667+08:00","text":"第 129案減列 100萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:46.473333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:52.940000+08:00","text":"第 130案，陳菁徽委員所提，凍結十分之三，請陳菁徽委員表達意見。","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:53.711429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:54.854286+08:00","text":"先保留，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:55.601538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:18:58.806667+08:00","text":"石部長，這個案子就保留了，二輪再說。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:18:59.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:00.973333+08:00","text":"第 131案，陳清龍委員所提，凍結十分之三。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:01.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:04.473333+08:00","text":"第 131案也保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:05.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:06.473333+08:00","text":"好，保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:07.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:08.740000+08:00","text":"第 132案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:08.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:16.067778+08:00","text":"協 65\n第 133案凍結 5%，黃建賓委員所提，石部長，這應該沒問題吧？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:16.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:18.560000+08:00","text":"凍結 5%，OK？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:18.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:19.760000+08:00","text":"好，同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:19.760000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:20.760000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 5%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:20.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:21.760000+08:00","text":"第 134案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:22.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:25.993333+08:00","text":"第 135案凍結 1,000萬元，陳昭姿委員所提，請補充意見。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:27.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:30.940000+08:00","text":"第 136案凍結 1,000萬元，第 135案、第 136案請一……","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:30.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:31.940000+08:00","text":"這個是我們要求擴大毒油部分的抽驗工作。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:31.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:32.440000+08:00","text":"部長，有問題嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:34.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:36.346667+08:00","text":"我們遵照辦理。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:36.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:38.013333+08:00","text":"先凍結啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:38.013333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:39.013333+08:00","text":"你們先……","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:39.013333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:40.013333+08:00","text":"先凍結可以，因為 1,000萬我們還可以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:38.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:40.346667+08:00","text":"第 135案、第 136案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:40.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:48.430000+08:00","text":"第 137案減列 500萬元，凍結 500萬元，台灣民眾黨團所提，請石部長表達意見。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:52.195714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:19:53.624286+08:00","text":"可不可以科目自行調整？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:19:53.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:03.687778+08:00","text":"這個凍結，我們是可以同意凍結，但是可不可以我們……對啦，第 137案，我們可以\n遵照辦理。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:04.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:07.728182+08:00","text":"刪減的部分讓我們可以科目自行調整。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:08.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:15.410000+08:00","text":"第 137案石部長希望凍結 500萬元不變，然後減列 500萬元，科目自行……對。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:15.410000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:16.576667+08:00","text":"科目自行調整。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:16.576667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:19.410000+08:00","text":"科目自行調整，減列 500萬元，OK嗎？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:19.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:21.910000+08:00","text":"凍結還是凍結 500萬，書面報告？對。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:21.910000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:23.910000+08:00","text":"好，同意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:23.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:25.910000+08:00","text":"減列 500萬元，科目自行調整，凍結 500萬元，第 137案。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:27.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:29.510000+08:00","text":"第 138案凍結 300萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:29.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:33.110000+08:00","text":"第 139案凍結 378萬 6,000元，是不是保留？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:33.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:33.710000+08:00","text":"陳總召？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:36.076667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:36.743333+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:39.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:41.130000+08:00","text":"可以遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:41.130000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:42.130000+08:00","text":"可以遵照辦理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:41.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:41.630000+08:00","text":"好，那就……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:41.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:45.630000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 378萬 6,000元？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:45.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:47.630000+08:00","text":"第 140案凍結 20%。協 66","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:49.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:51.180000+08:00","text":"這個可以遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:51.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:52.930000+08:00","text":"好，凍結 20%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:53.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:20:55.030000+08:00","text":"第 141案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:20:58.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:00.506667+08:00","text":"可以遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:00.506667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:01.506667+08:00","text":"好，凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:01.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:02.440000+08:00","text":"第 142案，凍結 20%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:07.371429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:15.800000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，這個是包含我們的藥審人力，第 142案，因為比例太高了，所以……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:16.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:18.300000+08:00","text":"是不是可以下降？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:18.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:19.920000+08:00","text":"凍結 20%改為凍結百分之……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:20.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:22.090000+08:00","text":"10%可以嗎？好，10%。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:24.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:25.423333+08:00","text":"好，那就凍結 10%。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:25.423333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:26.423333+08:00","text":"凍結 10%？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:26.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:27.590000+08:00","text":"好的，第 142案凍結 10%。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:28.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:31.890000+08:00","text":"第 143案凍結十分之三，陳總召所提，衛福部有什麼意見？","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:35.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:39.120000+08:00","text":"是不是跟前案可以併案處理？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:39.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:42.953333+08:00","text":"它這是十分之三，是 30%改為 10%。對、對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:43.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:45.334286+08:00","text":"陳總召能接受嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:45.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:47.120000+08:00","text":"好，接受 10%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:47.773846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:49.466154+08:00","text":"是不是科目可以自行調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:49.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:49.990000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:50.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:52.923333+08:00","text":"凍結啊，你拜託！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:54.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:21:58.216667+08:00","text":"第 144案凍結食品藥品 500萬元。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:21:58.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:02.264286+08:00","text":"第 145案凍結十分之一，石部長能接受嗎？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:02.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:03.630000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:04.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:05.880000+08:00","text":"第 146案凍結十分之一，石部長？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:06.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:07.630000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:07.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:08.630000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:08.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:09.730000+08:00","text":"第 147案凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:10.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:13.630000+08:00","text":"我們進入第 148案，減列 80萬元。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:14.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:15.730000+08:00","text":"第 149案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:18.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:19.730000+08:00","text":"第 150案改主決議。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:20.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:20.530000+08:00","text":"第 151案改主決議。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:21.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:21.730000+08:00","text":"第 152案改主決議。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:23.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:27.367778+08:00","text":"我們進入第 153案，併委員會決議減列 50萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:27.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:29.190000+08:00","text":"第 154案減列 500萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:29.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:31.190000+08:00","text":"第 155案減列 100萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:31.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:33.190000+08:00","text":"協 67\n第 156案改主決議。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:33.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:35.190000+08:00","text":"第 157案減列 50萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:35.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:37.190000+08:00","text":"第 158案凍結十分之一。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:37.875714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:39.304286+08:00","text":"石部長能接受嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"周署長道君","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:41.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:55.137143+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分因為超過 90%的金額是補助地方民間團體，目前整支的執行\n率已經超過 85%，我們建議凍結金額的部分是不是可以下修到 1,000萬元？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"周署長道君","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:55.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:22:57.030000+08:00","text":"跟委員做一個爭取。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:22:57.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:00.780000+08:00","text":"他的意思是說凍結十分之一改為凍結 1,000萬元，因為已經……","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:00.780000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:01.780000+08:00","text":"好，同意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:01.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:02.994286+08:00","text":"第 158案，我們凍結 1,000萬元。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:03.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:07.057778+08:00","text":"第 159案，併委員會決議凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:09.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:14.880000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝石部長，謝謝衛福部各位列席官員。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:15.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:38.836667+08:00","text":"我們現在請環境部葉次長。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:41.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:43.047778+08:00","text":"環境部葉次長到了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:43.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:23:51.160000+08:00","text":"葉次長請坐，各黨團幹部麻煩大家再辛苦\n一下，謝謝大家，范雲委員請坐。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:23:57.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:01.798182+08:00","text":"我們現在是環境部葉次長在場，跟各位黨團幹部報告一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:01.798182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:03.889091+08:00","text":"第 160案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:03.889091+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:05.980000+08:00","text":"第 161案通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:05.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:07.780000+08:00","text":"第 162案併委員會決議凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:07.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:15.757778+08:00","text":"第 163案，廖偉翔委員減列 2,000萬元，凍結 2,150萬元，請國民黨團表達意見。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:17.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:19.646667+08:00","text":"第 163案、第 164案、第 166案這三案都保留。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:19.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:22.980000+08:00","text":"好，第 163案、第 164案、第 166案保留。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:23.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:27.780000+08:00","text":"第 165案併委員會決議凍結 200萬元。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:27.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:29.434545+08:00","text":"葉次長你有沒有要補充意見？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:29.434545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:30.707273+08:00","text":"請簡短扼要。沒有。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:30.707273+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:31.980000+08:00","text":"沒有，好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:31.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:41.763333+08:00","text":"第 167案改減列 500萬元。第 168案。保留。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:41.763333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:43.720000+08:00","text":"第 168案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:43.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:45.520000+08:00","text":"第 169案併委員會決議凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:45.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:49.497778+08:00","text":"第 170案併委員會決議凍結 50萬元。第 171案。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:49.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:51.053333+08:00","text":"第 171案保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:54.053333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:55.386667+08:00","text":"好，減列 100萬元，保留。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:55.386667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:56.953333+08:00","text":"第 172案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:56.953333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:58.520000+08:00","text":"第 173案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:58.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:24:59.320000+08:00","text":"第 174案，減列 100萬元。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:24:59.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:05.220000+08:00","text":"第 175案，高金素梅委員所提，改主決議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:05.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:07.720000+08:00","text":"第 176案，撤案。第 177案。協 68","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:09.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:11.053333+08:00","text":"第 177案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:11.053333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:12.053333+08:00","text":"第 177案，保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:11.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:13.386667+08:00","text":"第 178案，改減列 100萬元。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:13.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:17.497778+08:00","text":"第 179案，併委員會決議，凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:17.497778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:19.720000+08:00","text":"第 180案，通刪。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:19.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:21.320000+08:00","text":"第 181案，減列 150萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:21.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:23.520000+08:00","text":"第 182案，併委員會決議，凍結 50萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:23.520000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:24.905714+08:00","text":"第 183案，併委員會決議，凍結 209萬 1,000元。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:24.905714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:26.291429+08:00","text":"第 184案，通刪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:26.291429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:28.720000+08:00","text":"第 185案，併委員會決議，凍結 300萬元。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:28.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:29.720000+08:00","text":"第 186案，改主決議。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:29.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:30.720000+08:00","text":"對，改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:30.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:31.720000+08:00","text":"我講了，第 186案改主決議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:31.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:33.520000+08:00","text":"第 187案，併委員會決議，凍結 300萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:46.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:48.180000+08:00","text":"第 188案，併委員會決議，凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:48.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:53.930000+08:00","text":"第 189案，併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:25:54.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:25:59.170000+08:00","text":"第 190案，併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:01.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:03.170000+08:00","text":"第 191案，凍結 10%。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:03.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:05.420000+08:00","text":"陳菁徽委員，請發言。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:05.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:07.003333+08:00","text":"第 191案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:07.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:09.003333+08:00","text":"第 191案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:09.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:16.046667+08:00","text":"葉次長，您有意見隨時可以發言，如果沒有意見，我們就先這樣，你要發言？請。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"葉次長俊宏","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:16.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:26.157778+08:00","text":"第 191案，看看能不能建議併委員會決議，改凍結 500萬元，科目調整為「資源循環\n及廢棄物管理」，專案報告改書面報告。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:26.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:34.290000+08:00","text":"好，葉次長已經提出來，陳菁徽委員能不能改凍結 500萬元，書面報告？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:34.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:36.504286+08:00","text":"我先保留，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:36.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:37.290000+08:00","text":"第 191案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:37.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:41.264286+08:00","text":"第 192案，改主決議，主決議照案通過。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:41.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:43.330000+08:00","text":"第 193案，併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:43.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:49.130000+08:00","text":"第 194案，廖偉翔委員減列 300萬，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:50.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:54.390000+08:00","text":"第 194案，葉次長請。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:54.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:56.540000+08:00","text":"沒有意見，我們就先保留。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉次長俊宏","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:56.540000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:26:57.540000+08:00","text":"先保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:26:56.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:01.330000+08:00","text":"第 195案，減列 50萬元。保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:01.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:03.430000+08:00","text":"葉次長，我們先減列 50萬元。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:03.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:04.630000+08:00","text":"協 69\n第 196案，通刪。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:07.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:08.660000+08:00","text":"第 197案，減列 500萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:09.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:10.660000+08:00","text":"陳菁徽委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:11.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:12.393333+08:00","text":"第 197案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:13.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:14.060000+08:00","text":"第 197案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:14.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:16.837778+08:00","text":"第 198案，併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:17.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:20.560000+08:00","text":"第 199案，減列 200萬元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:21.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:22.393333+08:00","text":"第 199案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:23.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:24.393333+08:00","text":"第 199案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:25.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:26.660000+08:00","text":"第 200案，凍結十分之三。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:27.241818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:28.878182+08:00","text":"台灣民眾黨黨團請表達意見。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:29.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:30.560000+08:00","text":"本案保留。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:30.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:31.973333+08:00","text":"好，第 200案，保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:32.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:34.240000+08:00","text":"第 201案，凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:34.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:36.306667+08:00","text":"王育敏委員請，國民黨黨團？保留。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:37.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:38.463333+08:00","text":"第 201案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:39.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:40.930000+08:00","text":"第 202案，併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:41.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:41.930000+08:00","text":"第 203案，凍結 10%。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:44.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:46.013333+08:00","text":"第 203案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:47.346667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:48.680000+08:00","text":"好，保留，第 203案。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:49.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:52.394286+08:00","text":"第 204案，減列 1,600萬，凍結 3億元，請表達意見。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:53.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:55.173333+08:00","text":"第 204案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:55.173333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:56.173333+08:00","text":"我想講第 205案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:56.173333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:57.173333+08:00","text":"好，不急，我們先處理第 204案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:55.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:57.173333+08:00","text":"第 204案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:27:57.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:27:59.173333+08:00","text":"第 204案，保留。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:28:03.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:28:05.440000+08:00","text":"進入第 205案，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:28:05.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:28:07.590000+08:00","text":"陳菁徽委員請發言。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:28:07.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:28:31.062727+08:00","text":"這邊的凍結 100 萬元跟當時我們在做預算審查時的結論不同，所以今天我要把第 205\n案改成全數減列 1,638 萬，因為這個案子是環境部對於二仁溪裡面的維運，還有維護的費用，為\n什麼會這樣子？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:28:31.244545+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:21.390000+08:00","text":"是因為環境部給我們非常多次協調會議的紀錄以及法院的判決，環境部本身自\n己在協調會會議紀錄裡面的發言，多次發言都表達二仁溪是跟環境部無關的，並且在法院的判\n決裡面，也主張責任是歸屬於臺南市政府，因為龔明鑫前主委的協調，環境部已經編列了業務\n費，這一點他們已經編列了，但是後續關於完備環境監督，追蹤空氣、水、廢棄物等等相關污\n染因子於計畫作業期間所造成的影響，總計 1,638萬元，我主張全數減列，因為……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:21.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:25.123333+08:00","text":"您的意思就是從凍結 100萬元改為減列 1,638萬？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:25.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:25.790000+08:00","text":"1,638萬，對。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:28.097692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:29.636154+08:00","text":"好，請環境部簡短扼要表達意見。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"葉次長俊宏","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:29.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:35.636154+08:00","text":"是，因為這一案如果減列的話，那麼臺南市這邊清到其他縣市的就沒辦法監督。協 70","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:35.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:38.647143+08:00","text":"好，第 205案沒辦法達成共識，我們保留。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:38.932857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:43.390000+08:00","text":"進入第 206案，廖偉翔委員凍結 2億元，請表達意見。保留。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:43.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:44.590000+08:00","text":"第 206案保留。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:44.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:50.090000+08:00","text":"第 207案劉建國委員所提併委員會決議，凍結 100萬元。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:50.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:53.587778+08:00","text":"第 208案併委員會決議，凍結 500萬元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:53.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:29:56.810000+08:00","text":"第 209案凍結 3,000萬元。保留。保留。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:29:59.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:30:10.456667+08:00","text":"謝謝葉次長，謝謝環境部所有的列席官員，謝謝大家，請回。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉次長俊宏","start":"2026-08-04T17:30:12.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:30:20.003333+08:00","text":"對不起，請問一下主席，剛剛第 195案也是保留嘛，第 195案廖偉翔委員的提案也是\n保留嘛？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葉次長俊宏","start":"2026-08-04T17:30:20.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:30:21.503333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:30:22.275263+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:30:34.058889+08:00","text":"謝謝各位，今天星期二，我們第一輪協商結束，預計星期四早上進行第二輪協商，協商通知\n會再行發文，在第二輪協商之前，要特別拜託各黨團，針對第一輪的保留提案，希望各部會跟\n各黨團持續保持雙向溝通。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:30:34.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:30:58.003333+08:00","text":"另外，針對保留的通案刪減用途別項目、通刪比例及總刪減金額，\n請各黨團持續溝通，希望在第二輪協商之前，拜託大家有一個共同的修正。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:30:58.455714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-04T17:31:01.836667+08:00","text":"我們今天的協商到此為止，散會。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-04T17:31:02.336667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:31:03.765238+08:00","text":"散會（17時 31分）\n協 71","quality":0},{"speaker":"附錄","start":"2026-08-04T17:31:04.065238+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-04T17:37:55.493810+08:00","text":"協 72\n協 73\n協 74\n協 75\n協 76\n協 77\n協 78\n協 79\n協 80\n協 81\n協 82\n協 83\n協 84\n協 85\n協 86\n協 87\n協 88\n協 89\n協 90\n協 91\n協 92\n協 93\n協 94\n協 95\n協 96\n協 97\n協 98\n協 99\n協 100\n協 101\n協 102\n協 103\n協 104\n協 105\n協 106\n協 107\n協 108\n協 109\n協 110\n協 111\n協 112\n協 113\n協 114\n協 115\n協 116\n協 117\n協 118\n協 119\n協 120\n協 121\n協 122\n協 123\n協 124\n協 125\n協 126\n協 127\n協 128\n協 129\n協 130\n協 131\n協 132\n協 133\n協 134\n協 135\n協 136\n協 137\n協 138\n協 139\n協 140\n協 141\n協 142\n協 143\n協 144\n協 145\n協 146\n協 147\n協 148\n協 149\n協 150\n協 151\n協 152\n協 153\n協 154\n協 155\n協 156\n協 157\n協 158\n協 159\n協 160\n協 161\n協 162\n協 163\n協 164\n協 165\n協 166\n協 167\n協 168\n協 169\n協 170\n協 171\n協 172\n協 173\n協 174\n協 175\n協 176\n協 177\n協 178\n協 179\n協 180\n協 181\n協 182\n協 183\n協 184\n協 185\n協 186\n協 187\n協 188\n協 189\n協 190\n協 191\n協 192\n協 193\n協 194\n協 195\n協 196\n協 197\n協 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