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謝謝"},{"start":7186.01,"end":7188.01,"text":"好 我先打斷大家一下"},{"start":7188.01,"end":7193.01,"text":"我們加拿大的原住民來訪的委員"},{"start":7193.01,"end":7196.01,"text":"Welcome from Canada"},{"start":7196.71,"end":7197.71,"text":"耶"},{"start":7201.17,"end":7203.17,"text":"Mr.Hawking"},{"start":7203.17,"end":7205.17,"text":"拍拍手"},{"start":7206.63,"end":7208.63,"text":"Mr.Samsung"},{"start":7208.96,"end":7210.96,"text":"Welcome"},{"start":7210.96,"end":7214.96,"text":"Mr.Ettrick"},{"start":7215.85,"end":7216.85,"text":"哈哈哈"},{"start":7218.78,"end":7219.78,"text":"哈哈"},{"start":7220.44,"end":7223.44,"text":"我們也歡迎他們來這邊參訪"},{"start":7223.44,"end":7224.44,"text":"盧謝毅"},{"start":7224.89,"end":7226.89,"text":"盧謝 拿著吧 拿著吧 拿著吧"},{"start":7228.84,"end":7230.84,"text":"好 我們交給盧謝毅來接待法"},{"start":7230.84,"end":7232.84,"text":"那繼續我們請李秀"},{"start":7232.84,"end":7234.84,"text":"沒有 王毅先 王毅他剛升起來"},{"start":7234.84,"end":7235.84,"text":"王毅先"},{"start":7238.04,"end":7240.04,"text":"好 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那用法條用語為或"},{"start":7464.65,"end":7467.65,"text":"故只設範圍過於廣泛"},{"start":7467.65,"end":7470.65,"text":"好那沒有可操作性的標準"},{"start":7470.65,"end":7473.65,"text":"然後作為成立指揮中心的評判依據"},{"start":7473.65,"end":7477.65,"text":"好那雖然前一項前一段有經評估"},{"start":7477.65,"end":7485.65,"text":"認為有統籌各項資源和設備及整合相關機關機構之必要的用語"},{"start":7485.65,"end":7487.65,"text":"可是還是很模糊"},{"start":7487.65,"end":7491.65,"text":"那再來對比現行的第四條第"},{"start":7491.65,"end":7493.65,"text":"這個四條第五項"},{"start":7493.65,"end":7497.65,"text":"其實第四條第五項就已經有中央主管機關"},{"start":7497.65,"end":7501.65,"text":"對於重大或突發性食品衛生安全事件"},{"start":7501.65,"end":7503.65,"text":"必要時得以預警原則"},{"start":7503.65,"end":7506.65,"text":"風險評估或流行病學調查結果"},{"start":7506.65,"end":7511.65,"text":"公告對特定產品或特定地區之產品採取以下管理措施"},{"start":7511.65,"end":7514.65,"text":"有這個什麼限制或停止"},{"start":7514.65,"end":7518.65,"text":"輸入查驗製造及加工的方式和條件"},{"start":7518.65,"end":7520.65,"text":"那第二個是下架封存"},{"start":7520.65,"end":7522.65,"text":"限期回收限期改制末路銷毀"},{"start":7522.65,"end":7525.65,"text":"就是感覺在這裡二之二"},{"start":7525.65,"end":7531.65,"text":"這一次要特別這樣基本上就看起來就是一個很疊床架物的狀況"},{"start":7531.65,"end":7533.65,"text":"那當你們一開始發生這件事情"},{"start":7533.65,"end":7534.65,"text":"覺得很重要的時候"},{"start":7534.65,"end":7538.65,"text":"食安辦不就可以扮演所謂的跨部會的這個權責"},{"start":7538.65,"end":7540.65,"text":"而且本來賦予你的權責"},{"start":7540.65,"end":7542.65,"text":"你要成立所謂的指揮中心"},{"start":7542.65,"end":7543.65,"text":"你覺得這件事情很嚴重"},{"start":7543.65,"end":7544.65,"text":"你也是可以做啊"},{"start":7544.65,"end":7547.65,"text":"這個我是不太知道為什麼這條一定要"},{"start":7547.65,"end":7550.65,"text":"這個時候這樣寫然後又很廣泛"},{"start":7550.65,"end":7551.65,"text":"好像"},{"start":7552.77,"end":7557.77,"text":"不是很明確那四條之五也有類似的這個條文在說"},{"start":7557.77,"end":7559.77,"text":"但是他在四條之五的時候"},{"start":7559.77,"end":7562.77,"text":"他還有現行法還有什麼必要時的"},{"start":7562.77,"end":7564.77,"text":"依預警原則風險評估"},{"start":7564.77,"end":7568.77,"text":"或這個流病調查結果的具體指標"},{"start":7568.77,"end":7571.77,"text":"所以這兩個看起來這二條之二就很"},{"start":7572.5,"end":7575.5,"text":"感覺就是一個疊床架物的這個出現這樣"},{"start":7577.4,"end":7579.4,"text":"好再請聯絡群島委員"},{"start":7580.16,"end":7582.16,"text":"好我需要確認一件事情"},{"start":7582.16,"end":7585.16,"text":"按照這次事件來看的話確實"},{"start":7586.09,"end":7588.09,"text":"發生中央跟地方不同調的問題"},{"start":7588.09,"end":7591.09,"text":"所以如果中央跟地方的指揮中心"},{"start":7591.09,"end":7594.09,"text":"到底誰要聽誰的"},{"start":7594.09,"end":7597.09,"text":"如果地方的決議中央可不可以推翻"},{"start":7597.09,"end":7599.09,"text":"而且這個是不是都要做確認"},{"start":7599.09,"end":7604.09,"text":"不然現在中央後來又有地方現在也要去成立"},{"start":7604.09,"end":7607.09,"text":"那會不會最後就地方做地方的中央"},{"start":7607.09,"end":7610.09,"text":"就算成立的話地方不管那也沒有用"},{"start":7610.09,"end":7612.09,"text":"所以等於是不是可以"},{"start":7612.01,"end":7614.01,"text":"請我們的衛福部"},{"start":7614.01,"end":7616.01,"text":"如果你認為這個後面在慈霞縣市"},{"start":7616.01,"end":7619.01,"text":"要去成立指揮中心的時候"},{"start":7619.01,"end":7622.01,"text":"那你們的考量會是什麼以上"},{"start":7624.68,"end":7626.68,"text":"請聯絡群島委員"},{"start":7627.24,"end":7629.24,"text":"對謝謝然後我再補充一下"},{"start":7629.24,"end":7631.24,"text":"因為其實剛剛講這個慈安"},{"start":7631.24,"end":7634.24,"text":"其實一直以來都是一條邊嘛"},{"start":7634.24,"end":7637.24,"text":"那其實基本上中央地方的分工呢"},{"start":7637.24,"end":7639.24,"text":"其實中央第一個它有法源"},{"start":7639.24,"end":7641.24,"text":"也有這個相關的人頭管理"},{"start":7641.24,"end":7644.24,"text":"然後同時也有行政裁罰手段跟權限"},{"start":7644.24,"end":7647.24,"text":"那其實基本上目前為止地方都是主要協助"},{"start":7647.24,"end":7649.24,"text":"後市場調查跟處罰"},{"start":7649.24,"end":7651.24,"text":"那其實這個中央地方的分工"},{"start":7651.24,"end":7654.24,"text":"其實目前依照現在的整個法的"},{"start":7654.24,"end":7656.24,"text":"這樣子的分類是這樣"},{"start":7656.24,"end":7657.24,"text":"那的確如果"},{"start":7658.26,"end":7660.26,"text":"中央成立一個地方成立一個"},{"start":7660.26,"end":7662.26,"text":"那到底權責到底怎麼分"},{"start":7662.26,"end":7664.26,"text":"所以我覺得這個部分真的是"},{"start":7664.26,"end":7666.26,"text":"要請衛福部好好思考一下"},{"start":7666.26,"end":7668.26,"text":"好好回答一下謝謝"},{"start":7668.26,"end":7670.26,"text":"請林社工委員"},{"start":7670.26,"end":7673.26,"text":"我覺得月傾委員還有廖委員講的"},{"start":7673.26,"end":7675.26,"text":"都有道理但是呢"},{"start":7675.26,"end":7677.26,"text":"我在假設一種狀況"},{"start":7677.26,"end":7680.26,"text":"因為我是看到王委員的提案"},{"start":7680.26,"end":7681.26,"text":"我突然想到一個"},{"start":7681.26,"end":7684.26,"text":"譬如說地方其實沒有跨縣市的問題"},{"start":7684.26,"end":7686.26,"text":"突發一個重大的"},{"start":7686.26,"end":7690.26,"text":"或者是突發性主要可能是有區域性的"},{"start":7690.26,"end":7693.26,"text":"譬如說保齡茶室事件的翻版"},{"start":7693.26,"end":7696.26,"text":"它大多數當然也有可能會跨縣市"},{"start":7696.26,"end":7698.26,"text":"但是大多數在這種狀況裡面"},{"start":7698.26,"end":7700.26,"text":"都會是比較社區型的"},{"start":7700.26,"end":7702.26,"text":"那在這種狀況"},{"start":7702.26,"end":7705.26,"text":"讓地方政府可以有採取"},{"start":7705.26,"end":7709.26,"text":"突發或重大的這個必要的措施"},{"start":7709.26,"end":7711.26,"text":"然後去成立指揮中心"},{"start":7711.26,"end":7713.26,"text":"去調度指揮授權給他們"},{"start":7713.26,"end":7715.26,"text":"我想也不是壞事"},{"start":7715.26,"end":7717.26,"text":"但是的確會存在"},{"start":7717.26,"end":7719.26,"text":"廖委員跟月傾委員講的就是說"},{"start":7719.26,"end":7721.26,"text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