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那這個就表示呢"},{"start":5086.35,"end":5088.35,"text":"運動部就是不支持那個"},{"start":5088.35,"end":5090.35,"text":"電子競技的一個推展"},{"start":5090.35,"end":5092.35,"text":"他就是不同意"},{"start":5092.35,"end":5094.35,"text":"那"},{"start":5094.35,"end":5096.35,"text":"這個要不要"},{"start":5096.35,"end":5098.35,"text":"發展,就要看"},{"start":5098.35,"end":5100.35,"text":"相關,主管單位嘛"},{"start":5100.35,"end":5102.35,"text":"那在這裡就是運動部"},{"start":5102.35,"end":5104.35,"text":"不支持"},{"start":5104.35,"end":5106.35,"text":"那我個人就感覺"},{"start":5106.35,"end":5108.35,"text":"非常的遺憾"},{"start":5108.35,"end":5110.35,"text":"在這裡表達"},{"start":5111.55,"end":5113.55,"text":"好,謝謝委員"},{"start":5113.66,"end":5115.66,"text":"那"},{"start":5118.27,"end":5120.27,"text":"當然可以啊"},{"start":5120.72,"end":5122.72,"text":"好,那委員要發言,請繼續"},{"start":5122.72,"end":5124.72,"text":"好,謝謝主席"},{"start":5124.72,"end":5126.72,"text":"我們再念一次民進黨團的提案"},{"start":5126.72,"end":5128.72,"text":"叫做針對本日上午議程"},{"start":5128.72,"end":5130.72,"text":"繼續審查"},{"start":5130.72,"end":5132.72,"text":"羅委員等人的電子競技運動"},{"start":5132.72,"end":5134.72,"text":"發展基本法草案"},{"start":5134.72,"end":5136.72,"text":"相關六案"},{"start":5136.72,"end":5138.72,"text":"介於行政部門已經表明立場"},{"start":5138.72,"end":5140.72,"text":"不支持立法"},{"start":5140.72,"end":5142.72,"text":"而且委員會的意見分歧"},{"start":5142.72,"end":5144.72,"text":"為求立法慎重"},{"start":5144.72,"end":5146.72,"text":"把相關的草案"},{"start":5146.72,"end":5148.72,"text":"留在委員會另定其審議"},{"start":5148.72,"end":5150.72,"text":"從頭到尾沒有提到要散會"},{"start":5150.72,"end":5152.72,"text":"而是建議"},{"start":5152.72,"end":5154.72,"text":"如果等一下還是要進入逐條"},{"start":5154.72,"end":5156.72,"text":"討論,但所有的討論"},{"start":5156.72,"end":5158.72,"text":"有爭議的地方,沒有共識的地方"},{"start":5158.72,"end":5160.72,"text":"都要保留在委員會"},{"start":5160.72,"end":5162.72,"text":"再繼續開會討論"},{"start":5162.72,"end":5164.72,"text":"也就是沒有提起散會"},{"start":5164.72,"end":5166.72,"text":"請主席明察"},{"start":5166.72,"end":5168.72,"text":"謝謝"},{"start":5170.62,"end":5172.62,"text":"請吳沛毅委員"},{"start":5173.65,"end":5175.65,"text":"對,我們還是要再次說明"},{"start":5175.65,"end":5177.65,"text":"因為我們這個提案"},{"start":5177.65,"end":5179.65,"text":"是有鑑於過去"},{"start":5179.65,"end":5181.65,"text":"我們委員會召委主持的時候"},{"start":5181.65,"end":5183.65,"text":"也有過逐條討論"},{"start":5183.65,"end":5185.65,"text":"但是委員會沒有共識"},{"start":5185.65,"end":5187.65,"text":"但是召委仍然把他送出委員會"},{"start":5187.65,"end":5189.65,"text":"所以我們剛剛所通過的是"},{"start":5189.65,"end":5191.65,"text":"一旦我們進行逐條討論"},{"start":5191.65,"end":5193.65,"text":"委員會沒有共識的時候"},{"start":5193.65,"end":5195.65,"text":"應該保留在委員會"},{"start":5195.65,"end":5197.65,"text":"並定其審議"},{"start":5197.65,"end":5199.65,"text":"但是剛剛召委才是要散會"},{"start":5199.65,"end":5201.65,"text":"我們就尊重召委的才是"},{"start":5204.77,"end":5206.77,"text":"好,資產委員"},{"start":5206.77,"end":5208.77,"text":"不好意思,等我一下"},{"start":5208.77,"end":5210.77,"text":"委員所提的發言"},{"start":5210.77,"end":5212.77,"text":"可能跟文字上的"},{"start":5212.77,"end":5214.77,"text":"實際書面資料不太一樣"},{"start":5214.77,"end":5216.77,"text":"還是要提醒委員"},{"start":5216.77,"end":5218.77,"text":"可能您的文字資料是直接肯定去"},{"start":5218.77,"end":5220.77,"text":"提請將相關草案均"},{"start":5220.77,"end":5222.77,"text":"保留在委員會"},{"start":5224.23,"end":5226.23,"text":"定期審議"},{"start":5226.23,"end":5228.23,"text":"我們剛剛通過的這個提案"},{"start":5228.23,"end":5230.23,"text":"是要求我們"},{"start":5230.23,"end":5232.23,"text":"定期審議"},{"start":5232.23,"end":5234.23,"text":"所以就是不能今天"},{"start":5234.23,"end":5236.23,"text":"可能跟委員實際講的"},{"start":5236.23,"end":5238.23,"text":"跟文字所提的不太一樣"},{"start":5238.23,"end":5240.23,"text":"跟委員提醒一下"},{"start":5240.23,"end":5242.23,"text":"劉志祥委員"},{"start":5241.59,"end":5243.59,"text":"我是真的很不想說文解字"},{"start":5245.34,"end":5247.34,"text":"那,另定其審議"},{"start":5247.34,"end":5249.34,"text":"的意思是什麼"},{"start":5249.34,"end":5251.34,"text":"我就說文解字給大家聽"},{"start":5251.34,"end":5253.34,"text":"所以今天不能再審下去"},{"start":5254.42,"end":5256.42,"text":"今天不能再審下去"},{"start":5256.42,"end":5258.42,"text":"另外找一天審"},{"start":5258.42,"end":5260.42,"text":"要不要找一天另外再找"},{"start":5260.42,"end":5262.42,"text":"那我就講一個最基本的邏輯問題"},{"start":5262.42,"end":5264.42,"text":"怎麼會變成主席要散會呢"},{"start":5266.6,"end":5268.6,"text":"那今天另定其審議"},{"start":5268.6,"end":5270.6,"text":"今天趙明進來的意思"},{"start":5270.6,"end":5272.6,"text":"他不叫散會的話,那請問主席就坐下"},{"start":5272.6,"end":5274.6,"text":"大家大眼瞪小眼瞪到明天天亮"},{"start":5275.8,"end":5277.8,"text":"定定其審議就是散會啦"},{"start":5279.29,"end":5281.29,"text":"真的,我覺得這文字遊戲沒有任何意義啦"},{"start":5281.29,"end":5283.29,"text":"真的,我覺得這文字遊戲沒有任何意義啦"},{"start":5283.29,"end":5285.29,"text":"那既然,我覺得明鏡黨也說了很多"},{"start":5285.29,"end":5287.29,"text":"我覺得對你們來說"},{"start":5287.29,"end":5289.29,"text":"你們的理由也講了嘛"},{"start":5289.29,"end":5291.29,"text":"你反對專法,我說過啦"},{"start":5291.29,"end":5293.29,"text":"有兩套想法嘛"},{"start":5293.29,"end":5295.29,"text":"用專法來去"},{"start":5295.29,"end":5297.29,"text":"基本上"},{"start":5297.29,"end":5299.29,"text":"給行政部門"},{"start":5299.29,"end":5301.29,"text":"一個指引"},{"start":5301.29,"end":5303.29,"text":"讓他去扶植電競產業"},{"start":5303.29,"end":53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